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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:21:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dammit man, I can't read that. My ASHRAE books are in Freedom Units, not Maple Syrup per Moose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lemur, please... https://www.101diagrams.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/T-s-Diagram-Steam.svg_.png Dammit man, I can't read that. My ASHRAE books are in Freedom Units, not Maple Syrup per Moose. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:24:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it's not an ATM machine, but most folks don't need therapy after hearing either one. YMMV. This is GD, we are not "most folks". |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:24:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water. If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater. Rubber vagina heating machine. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:30:44 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then the function would be a Hot Water Source would it not? Or if the function is to heat the water, then... Water Heater? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water. If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater. Agreed. In addition, the term also clearly defines its purpose. What does it do? It heats the hot water for your home's hot water service. This is different, say, from a water heater that heats your water for a cup of tea or cocoa. Or, the heater for an outdoor pool A home can have many water heaters. But, the hot water heater? It's for the home's hot water supply. What if I pour hot water into the coffee machine? Does it now magically transform into a hot water heater? What about a pool in summer, does it now become a hot pool water heater? The function is to add heat, as required, to bring water to a preset temperature. Thus, Water Heater! No, of course not. Did you read what I posted? Pouring hot water into a coffee machine doesn't magically make it the device that provides your home's hot water supply. The function is to provide a source of hot water to the home. It dose this by use of a heater. Thus, hot water heater. Then the function would be a Hot Water Source would it not? Or if the function is to heat the water, then... Water Heater? Hot water source heater would work, but seems plenty implied with just "hot water heater." |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:35:08 PM EDT
[#5]
For the argument to be valid please define the threshold at which water is hot, otherwise you're just heating water from one temperature to another.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:37:43 PM EDT
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What do you supply to the black box known as a water heater? hot water or just room temperature water.
if you were arguing that it is a "water heater" and a "hot water re-heater", you might have some logic upon which to stand. otherwise, tis just a water heater...it heats cold, warm, and hot water... or to prove it to yourself, drain it and let it sit for a week...were it a "hot water heater", you would necessarily need to preheat the water before supplying it to the unit. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:50:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:58:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you supply to the black box known as a water heater? hot water or just room temperature water. if you were arguing that it is a "water heater" and a "hot water re-heater", you might have some logic upon which to stand. otherwise, tis just a water heater...it heats cold, warm, and hot water... or to prove it to yourself, drain it and let it sit for a week...were it a "hot water heater", you would necessarily need to preheat the water before supplying it to the unit. No, you wouldn't need to heat anything if it weren't for your hot water needs. There's no heater for your cold water supply. There are three commonly used terms for water heating devices in many households, each with a widely understood use, and just enough distinction to eliminate confusion. Kettle/Electric kettle - heats up drinking water for tea or coffee or what not. Swimming pool heater - heats up pool water. Hot water heater - heats up your hot water supply. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:59:52 PM EDT
[#9]
Nope.
If you heat hot water, you get steam. If its not a pressure vessel, you got bigger problems than semantics. What's that? Sounds like a whistle. Last call for the fail boat? |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:07:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hot water source heater would work, but seems plenty implied with just "hot water heater." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water. If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater. Agreed. In addition, the term also clearly defines its purpose. What does it do? It heats the hot water for your home's hot water service. This is different, say, from a water heater that heats your water for a cup of tea or cocoa. Or, the heater for an outdoor pool A home can have many water heaters. But, the hot water heater? It's for the home's hot water supply. What if I pour hot water into the coffee machine? Does it now magically transform into a hot water heater? What about a pool in summer, does it now become a hot pool water heater? The function is to add heat, as required, to bring water to a preset temperature. Thus, Water Heater! No, of course not. Did you read what I posted? Pouring hot water into a coffee machine doesn't magically make it the device that provides your home's hot water supply. The function is to provide a source of hot water to the home. It dose this by use of a heater. Thus, hot water heater. Then the function would be a Hot Water Source would it not? Or if the function is to heat the water, then... Water Heater? Hot water source heater would work, but seems plenty implied with just "hot water heater." In your example, there is no need to specify that it is a heater. It simply is a source of hot water, it could be coming from a natural occurring hot spring, etc. By specifying Heater we are saying that it is a unit intended to raise the temperature from Not-Hot, up to Hot. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:12:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In your example, there is no need to specify that it is a heater. It simply is a source of hot water, it could be coming from a natural occurring hot spring, etc. By specifying Heater we are saying that it is a unit intended to raise the temperature from Not-Hot, up to Hot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water. If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater. Agreed. In addition, the term also clearly defines its purpose. What does it do? It heats the hot water for your home's hot water service. This is different, say, from a water heater that heats your water for a cup of tea or cocoa. Or, the heater for an outdoor pool A home can have many water heaters. But, the hot water heater? It's for the home's hot water supply. What if I pour hot water into the coffee machine? Does it now magically transform into a hot water heater? What about a pool in summer, does it now become a hot pool water heater? The function is to add heat, as required, to bring water to a preset temperature. Thus, Water Heater! No, of course not. Did you read what I posted? Pouring hot water into a coffee machine doesn't magically make it the device that provides your home's hot water supply. The function is to provide a source of hot water to the home. It dose this by use of a heater. Thus, hot water heater. Then the function would be a Hot Water Source would it not? Or if the function is to heat the water, then... Water Heater? Hot water source heater would work, but seems plenty implied with just "hot water heater." In your example, there is no need to specify that it is a heater. It simply is a source of hot water, it could be coming from a natural occurring hot spring, etc. By specifying Heater we are saying that it is a unit intended to raise the temperature from Not-Hot, up to Hot. ? It's a heater. So your home has hot water. You don't need a heater if you have hot water already coming in that way. You might need a cold water cooler, so your home has cold water. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:15:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ? It's a heater. So your home has hot water. You don't need a heater if you have hot water already coming in that way. You might need a cold water cooler, so your home has cold water. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water. If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater. Agreed. In addition, the term also clearly defines its purpose. What does it do? It heats the hot water for your home's hot water service. This is different, say, from a water heater that heats your water for a cup of tea or cocoa. Or, the heater for an outdoor pool A home can have many water heaters. But, the hot water heater? It's for the home's hot water supply. What if I pour hot water into the coffee machine? Does it now magically transform into a hot water heater? What about a pool in summer, does it now become a hot pool water heater? The function is to add heat, as required, to bring water to a preset temperature. Thus, Water Heater! No, of course not. Did you read what I posted? Pouring hot water into a coffee machine doesn't magically make it the device that provides your home's hot water supply. The function is to provide a source of hot water to the home. It dose this by use of a heater. Thus, hot water heater. Then the function would be a Hot Water Source would it not? Or if the function is to heat the water, then... Water Heater? Hot water source heater would work, but seems plenty implied with just "hot water heater." In your example, there is no need to specify that it is a heater. It simply is a source of hot water, it could be coming from a natural occurring hot spring, etc. By specifying Heater we are saying that it is a unit intended to raise the temperature from Not-Hot, up to Hot. ? It's a heater. So your home has hot water. You don't need a heater if you have hot water already coming in that way. You might need a cold water cooler, so your home has cold water. So, we agree... you only need a heater if you don't have hot water. Otherwise there would be no need to heat hot water. So how is that not a water heater? |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:17:54 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryBut when her website asks for my PIN Number.... it's grammatically incorrect! |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:20:49 PM EDT
[#14]
I automatically assume someone has an IQ below 80 when I hear “hot water heater.”
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:21:40 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's no heater for your cold water supply. BUT... maybe you live somewhere (such as this Antarctic station) where your fresh water supply actually comes from snowmelt. So your drinking water really does come from a cold water heater. And then they probably have a separate heater to produce hot water..... http://www.antarcticstation.org/station/water_treatment/ |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:22:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, we agree... you only need a heater if you don't have hot water. Otherwise there would be no need to heat hot water. So how is that not a water heater? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water. If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater. Agreed. In addition, the term also clearly defines its purpose. What does it do? It heats the hot water for your home's hot water service. This is different, say, from a water heater that heats your water for a cup of tea or cocoa. Or, the heater for an outdoor pool A home can have many water heaters. But, the hot water heater? It's for the home's hot water supply. What if I pour hot water into the coffee machine? Does it now magically transform into a hot water heater? What about a pool in summer, does it now become a hot pool water heater? The function is to add heat, as required, to bring water to a preset temperature. Thus, Water Heater! No, of course not. Did you read what I posted? Pouring hot water into a coffee machine doesn't magically make it the device that provides your home's hot water supply. The function is to provide a source of hot water to the home. It dose this by use of a heater. Thus, hot water heater. Then the function would be a Hot Water Source would it not? Or if the function is to heat the water, then... Water Heater? Hot water source heater would work, but seems plenty implied with just "hot water heater." In your example, there is no need to specify that it is a heater. It simply is a source of hot water, it could be coming from a natural occurring hot spring, etc. By specifying Heater we are saying that it is a unit intended to raise the temperature from Not-Hot, up to Hot. ? It's a heater. So your home has hot water. You don't need a heater if you have hot water already coming in that way. You might need a cold water cooler, so your home has cold water. So, we agree... you only need a heater if you don't have hot water. Otherwise there would be no need to heat hot water. So how is that not a water heater? It is a water heater. When did I say it wasn't a water heater? It's the water heater for your hot water supply, hence "hot water heater." |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:25:50 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For all intensive purposes, sure! Irregardless, at some point the water ain’t hot. Then it goes in the tank. And gets heated. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:31:18 PM EDT
[#18]
GD never disappoints, so I seek your wisdom.
I have this installed in my kitchen: Hot Water Dispenser.  But sometimes I unplug it when we go on vacation. What is it then? And if I ask someone to plug it back in when we return, what do I call it?  |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:35:22 PM EDT
[#19]
Which thread gets more clicks?
Need a new Water heater? Need a new Hot water heater?  |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:36:29 PM EDT
[#20]
It starts off as a cool water heater thens transforms into a warm water heater. Once it is hot it doesn't do much but hold water. Given time it shifts into hot water reheater mode.
It is quite a multifaceted appliance. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:38:01 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water. If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater. Laughs in "I have used all the water in the water heater taking a shower" You're wrong. The method of heating is irrelevant. Cold water in, hot water out. It's a water heater, more specifically a cold water heater. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:03:41 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD never disappoints, so I seek your wisdom. I have this installed in my kitchen: Hot Water Dispenser. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/375298/hotwater-2935391.jpg But sometimes I unplug it when we go on vacation. What is it then? And if I ask someone to plug it back in when we return, what do I call it? Sink hot water heater? Kitchen hot water heater? But wow... had no idea such a thing existed. Is the few seconds to wait for your hot water supply just too valuable? |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:09:32 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sink hot water heater? Kitchen hot water heater? But wow... had no idea such a thing existed. Is the few seconds to wait for your hot water supply just too valuable? It comes out at a configurable temperature, up to boiling. We keep it at 185, which is considerably higher than the temp I have our house's hot water set to, but perfect temp for our tea. What can I say, we like tea.  And it also turns out to be fairly useful for a range of other things. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:22:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It comes out at a configurable temperature, up to boiling. We keep it at 185, which is considerably higher than the temp I have our house's hot water set to, but perfect temp for our tea. What can I say, we like tea. And it also turns out to be fairly useful for a range of other things. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sink hot water heater? Kitchen hot water heater? But wow... had no idea such a thing existed. Is the few seconds to wait for your hot water supply just too valuable? It comes out at a configurable temperature, up to boiling. We keep it at 185, which is considerably higher than the temp I have our house's hot water set to, but perfect temp for our tea. What can I say, we like tea. And it also turns out to be fairly useful for a range of other things. Reminds me of some setups I've seen with those bottled water dispensers. No need to ever boil water, it just comes out the perfect temp for such things.  These will often have a hot water heater, and a cold water cooler. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:30:48 PM EDT
[#25]
Water being supplied to the heater is above absolute zero; therefore, it is hot water, that the heater makes hotter.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:34:19 PM EDT
[#26]
After growing up with a barely functional water heating system off a steam boiler, you better believe my Rinnai is a HOT water heater.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:34:21 PM EDT
[#27]
The consensus around the cold water cooler is that it's just a water heater. It will heat hot water, cold water and warm water.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:36:36 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And it's not an ATM machine, but most folks don't need therapy after hearing either one. YMMV. Yup. And my PC doesn't have a FAT table, either. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:38:21 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminds me of some setups I've seen with those bottled water dispensers. No need to ever boil water, it just comes out the perfect temp for such things. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51+q6wMJ6+L.jpg These will often have a hot water heater, and a cold water cooler. Yep, very similar, although it's at our kitchen sink, so also handy for filling up a pot or running some nearly boiling water over something you are cleaning. House we bought 15 years ago had one and we didn't think it would be useful, but we ended up using it every day. So much so that when it failed, the wife was on me to get a replacement ASAP. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:38:51 PM EDT
[#30]
Since the water around here right now is coming out of the ground at 120 degrees, I will go with Hot Water Heater....but in reality, the proper name is WATER HEATER
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:39:23 PM EDT
[#31]
I saw the OP in the spice section the other day looking for Ground Water.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:41:06 PM EDT
[#32]
Just get your husband to replace it if you're afraid to do the work yourself, OP.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:42:20 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The purpose of it is to generate hot water for direct use, as opposed to a boiler or furnace which heats water to create steam or to circulate through radiators. It is a "heater" that produces "hot water" as such it is not redundant. But it is not a heater that heats hot water. It heats cold water to make hot water. The tankless variety stop there. Tank varieties do more. They maintain a desired setpoint. As such they are water heater/hot water maintainers. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:42:30 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that's a tankless water heater. Not a tankless hot water heater. That's obviously redundant. But saying hot water heater while referring to a tanked unit is not technically redundant nor incorrect. Just saying. So you're saying it's a water heater that is hot. We just need to agree on which noun ("water" or "heater") the adjective "hot" modifies. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:46:30 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And it's not an ATM machine, but most folks don't need therapy after hearing either one. YMMV. ATM machine VIN number RPMs (not really the same, but still kind of grates on my nerves) |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:46:45 PM EDT
[#36]
 Argument Clinic |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:46:53 PM EDT
[#37]
As a plumber it’s the dumbest internet thing ever.
A conventional tank heater is a hot water heater, a tankless is a water heater. You can’t store hot water without heating it. Dumb. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:48:08 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have this installed in my kitchen: But sometimes I unplug it when we go on vacation. What is it then? And if I ask someone to plug it back in when we return, what do I call it? |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:49:16 PM EDT
[#39]
Well my hot water tap won't get very hot without a water heater on it.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:52:44 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As a plumber it’s the dumbest internet thing ever. A conventional tank heater is a hot water heater, a tankless is a water heater. You can’t store hot water without heating it. Dumb. It's up there with "pepperoni isn't a real pizza topping," "French is the international language of diplomacy," and "Asian women squeak when they have sex." And I'm probably overlooking a few. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:59:01 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just get your husband to replace it if you're afraid to do the work yourself, OP. Lol, my house has 10 water heaters total. 8 tankless, 2 tanked. I installed all 10. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:02:46 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, my house has 10 water heaters total. 8 tankless, 2 tanked. I installed all 10. 
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:04:16 PM EDT
[#43]
Im with OP. It heats hot water.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:04:19 PM EDT
[#44]
irregardless
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:07:40 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a water heater powered by magic rocks. For personal use. Kharn Yes! |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:09:26 PM EDT
[#46]
Terms like, “hot water heater”, make me want to go nucular.
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:11:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For all intensive purposes, sure! Intensive porpoises. Let's get it write. 
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:12:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, my house has 10 water heaters total. 8 tankless, 2 tanked. I installed all 10. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just get your husband to replace it if you're afraid to do the work yourself, OP. Lol, my house has 10 water heaters total. 8 tankless, 2 tanked. I installed all 10. Mine has 1 and it's 32 years old. I keep saying I should really plan on replacing it sooner than later. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:16:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water. If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater. Sound logic. Since I read the words let's argue... What is the wife units 'thought'?
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:17:10 PM EDT
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