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Originally Posted By jmarkma: You're right, I was more speculating how they could have something that was an improvement over the Hubble at a fraction of the price. Also a bit tongue in cheek about how good the NRO stuff must be now. Hopefully this will actually yield the results it promises. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jmarkma: Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: Doesn't really matter, less than the JWT. This is your statement: "I bet the current satellites the NRO is using are more capable than the James Web program they've spent all of this money on. Gov't efficiency at work. " The NRO has some cool shit in orbit, but between basic optical laws and the fact that anything approaching the size of the JWT would have stuck out like a sore thumb based on the vehicle size needed to launch the thing. Additionally, WFIRST while being based on updated mirror and optics from the NRO and about 100x more capable than Hubble and the last gen of spy sat, it's still under the capabilities of JWT. Not to mention that photo of the failed Iranian launch that provided an updated minimum boundary on the capabilities. It's very unlikely that the NRO doesn't have a sat or several that is using the same folded array of hexagonal mirror tech that is used in the JWT, it's just not the same size. ETA: All of that to say, you're not going to be able to simply turn around an NRO sat, face it away from Earth and take the same or better pictures, performing the same operations as JWT. You're right, I was more speculating how they could have something that was an improvement over the Hubble at a fraction of the price. Also a bit tongue in cheek about how good the NRO stuff must be now. Hopefully this will actually yield the results it promises. It's not really at a fraction of the price considering the amount of money the NRO spends developing their tech. Tomato, tomahto though. |
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Originally Posted By Mickdog13: At least arianes are launching. It’d be sitting on the pad until 2035 if ULA was launching it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mickdog13: Originally Posted By midcap: da fuq....it's painfully obvious this project has been a giant clusterfuck from the get go...the icing on the cake is that shitty ass French rocket it's gonna be bolted to. At least arianes are launching. It’d be sitting on the pad until 2035 if ULA was launching it. that's a good point |
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Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: It's not really at a fraction of the price considering the amount of money the NRO spends developing their tech. Tomato, tomahto though. View Quote Yeah, the NRO probably spent 5x as much as NASA with no public oversight lol. At least it was money that's already been spent. |
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Originally Posted By wheel: Granted, government projects in general are bloated and result in poor quality. However, in this case you have to bear in mind that this is pushing the state of the art technically. Unlike Hubble, this telescope will be parked in a location that is too far out for us to service. So not only is it exceeding complex and bleeding edge, it HAS to be right. I'm sure there are redundant systems on board, but still it's an awfully daunting challenge. I wouldn't want to be the guy who made a stupid mistake that turned it into a boat anchor. View Quote In before “10mm? I thought it was 10 inches!” |
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Originally Posted By wheel: Granted, government projects in general are bloated and result in poor quality. However, in this case you have to bear in mind that this is pushing the state of the art technically. Unlike Hubble, this telescope will be parked in a location that is too far out for us to service. So not only is it exceeding complex and bleeding edge, it HAS to be right. I'm sure there are redundant systems on board, but still it's an awfully daunting challenge. I wouldn't want to be the guy who made a stupid mistake that turned it into a boat anchor. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By wheel: Originally Posted By nisa715: 20+ years to develop is pretty damn pathetic. Granted, government projects in general are bloated and result in poor quality. However, in this case you have to bear in mind that this is pushing the state of the art technically. Unlike Hubble, this telescope will be parked in a location that is too far out for us to service. So not only is it exceeding complex and bleeding edge, it HAS to be right. I'm sure there are redundant systems on board, but still it's an awfully daunting challenge. I wouldn't want to be the guy who made a stupid mistake that turned it into a boat anchor. It took 20 years to develop. By definition it is not even close to bleeding edge. Stop excusing government incompetence and waste. |
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Originally Posted By JustinHEMI04: Short sighted smooth brain comments like that are what killed the super conducting super collider in Texas. The USA could be leading the world in physics, but we've ceded it to the Euros at CERN. The smooth brains in Congress couldn't comprehend the importance of such a device. View Quote I dunno, I heard it was fire ants. |
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Originally Posted By Cheesebeast: La Grange? Just let me know if you wanna go to that home out on the range. They gotta lotta nice girls. Have mercy. A haw, haw, haw, haw, a haw. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cheesebeast: Originally Posted By Mass-Length-Time: It will be put in orbit around the L2 Lagrange point: https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/system/resources/detail_files/754_990528.jpg La Grange? Just let me know if you wanna go to that home out on the range. They gotta lotta nice girls. Have mercy. A haw, haw, haw, haw, a haw. Oh, give me a locus where the gravitons focus Where the three-body problem is solved, Where the microwaves play down at three degrees K, And the cold virus never evolved. CHORUS: Home, home on LaGrange, Where the space debris always collects, We possess, so it seems, two of Man’s greatest dreams: Solar power and zero-gee sex. We eat algae pie, our vacuum is high, Our ball bearings are perfectly round. Our horizon is curved, our warheads are MIRVed, And a kilogram weighs half a pound. (chorus) If we run out of space for our burgeoning race No more Lebensraum left for the Mensch When we’re ready to start, we can take Mars apart, If we just find a big enough wrench. (chorus) I’m sick of this place, it’s just McDonald’s in space, And living up here is a bore. Tell the shiggies, “Don’t cry,” they can kiss me goodbye ‘Cause I’m moving next week to L4! |
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Glad it's finally launching.
While I don't have any hardware on it, I did get to see them doing assembly work on it years ago when I visited Goddard. Much success, guys!!! |
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I wasn't expecting you so soon. Usually I have to say "drunken half-wit" three times before you show up.
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Originally Posted By Alien: Yeah who gives a shit about learning new information about the universe that is impossible to glean otherwise. That's worthless. We should go back to living in mud huts. Then we don't need to worry about learning new things. Life is simpler. I seriously hope this is a troll but it's probably not. I really don't think people that make comments like this even comprehend how ignorant said comments are. Learning about physics and how the universe works and is made isn't curiosity. It leads us down new research paths for technologies. View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By ShadowAngel: Deeper in space, yes. It will essentially be hiding out on the dark side of the moon. Which means effectively zero light pollution. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ShadowAngel: Originally Posted By MyAliyah: Didn't read everything. Will this model be sent deeper into space? Cant wait for the pics. It will be entertaining during the winter when we have to drink snow coffee. Deeper in space, yes. It will essentially be hiding out on the dark side of the moon. Which means effectively zero light pollution. Crazier than that: https://webb.nasa.gov/content/about/orbit.html |
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There's been an "incident"
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/an-incident-with-the-james-webb-space-telescope-has-occurred/ Who had 2022 launch? We're almost there. Earliest launch now Dec 22. |
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He never accepted!
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Originally Posted By Rudukai13: @Skillshot might want to warm up your credit card hand View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By Skillshot: @brich2929 By Jan 2022, 2 to 1 odds. And you got a deal. @Skillshot might want to warm up your credit card hand I ain't agree to nuttin' |
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I am Government Man, come from the government.
PA, USA
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I'm really excited that this will finally get launched
also really depressed at how many luddites are making an appearance in this thread. |
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Originally Posted By Rudukai13: Well, they’re sending it three times further out than the orbit of Luna, so probably quite a while: https://webb.nasa.gov/images/l2.2.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By NathanL: How long to make the eyeglasses it will need and get them fitted like before? Well, they’re sending it three times further out than the orbit of Luna, so probably quite a while: https://webb.nasa.gov/images/l2.2.jpg This whole exercise is pointless. Anyone with a lick of sense can see they're going to run into the moon on the way out there. Wake up people! |
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Originally Posted By gaspain: Like other space programs, the results appear in unexpected ways. Cell phones, GPS, computers, space craft, aircraft....all from Nasa and the associated capitalist programs and commie space programs. View Quote |
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It's so annoying trying to have a Socratic argument with a psychopath.
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Originally Posted By eracer: And now we share the ISS with Russia. We've moved past the Cold War. It's about science, and future space endeavors now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By eracer: Originally Posted By xd341: Yeah...space wasn't the driver. War was. Uncomfortable truth but... And now we share the ISS with Russia. We've moved past the Cold War. It's about science, and future space endeavors now. It's about getting the most money out of the taxpayer possible while providing just enough of a return to keep the money spigot open. Ike warned us, we ignored him. |
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Originally Posted By eracer: And now we share the ISS with Russia. We've moved past the Cold War. It's about science, and future space endeavors now. View Quote Follow the money, that's what we actually care about. Space is the next battle space. So we'll get better at it but it won't be for "science". It'll be for political, military and economic advantage, just like always. It took 14 years to loft this telescope, does that sound like a priority? |
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Originally Posted By ShadowAngel: Deeper in space, yes. It will essentially be hiding out on the dark side of the moon. Which means effectively zero light pollution. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ShadowAngel: Originally Posted By MyAliyah: Didn't read everything. Will this model be sent deeper into space? Cant wait for the pics. It will be entertaining during the winter when we have to drink snow coffee. Deeper in space, yes. It will essentially be hiding out on the dark side of the moon. Which means effectively zero light pollution. |
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BFL infringement
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"I miss the days of being able to shoot all commies" G.B.
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Why does it need a rocket? The Earth is flat so just push it over the edge
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I love this forum!
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There is no way this thing makes it to L2 much less function correctly when it gets there
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Take it easy and if it's easy take it twice
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Let's hope they don't fuck this step up and cause another multi-year delay
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It was suppose to be in space in 2007 and built earlier than that? So it's TWENTY YEAR OLD technology!
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Originally Posted By governmentman: I'm really excited that this will finally get launched also really depressed at how many luddites are making an appearance in this thread. View Quote Why? Most of Arfcom cowers in fear when the big ball of fire appears in the sky every morning and sacrifices a goat when it safely disappears at night. |
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I wasn't expecting you so soon. Usually I have to say "drunken half-wit" three times before you show up.
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Originally Posted By RABIDFOX50: It was suppose to be in space in 2007 and built earlier than that? So it's TWENTY YEAR OLD technology! Great. View Quote It's mostly been built after that. If NASA had been even remotely honest with the budget people would be a lot more positive about it, even with delays. Instead it's gone from an estimated 500 million to 9.7 billion. |
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Originally Posted By Herc: It's mostly been built after that. If NASA had been even remotely honest with the budget people would be a lot more positive about it, even with delays. Instead it's gone from an estimated 500 million to 9.7 billion. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By RABIDFOX50: It was suppose to be in space in 2007 and built earlier than that? So it's TWENTY YEAR OLD technology! Great. It's mostly been built after that. If NASA had been even remotely honest with the budget people would be a lot more positive about it, even with delays. Instead it's gone from an estimated 500 million to 9.7 billion. not only that but they have been having a litany of screw ups |
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Dispensing happiness one MIRV at a time.
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Any idea how long to deploy and start sending data?
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Originally Posted By PanzerOfDoom: Any idea how long to deploy and start sending data? View Quote 6 months before it is fully operational. It will be on station in about a month, but they have to deploy the mirrors and calibrate instruments. If it actually launches next month you will probably start seeing pictures from it in Feb/March as they are going through the setup process. |
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"During the second 100 days, we will design, build and open a library dedicated to my first 100 days." -Barack Obama, May 9 2009
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How is this worth one red cent of tax money? If it was worth anything, a private entity would fund it.
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Originally Posted By Chokey:
View Quote That’s good, let’s hope they don’t screw up the fueling |
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Originally Posted By midcap: That Shitty French rocket is gonna yeet the homophobe telescope into the ocean View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By midcap: Originally Posted By linuxgnar: Lol and they're not even using SpaceX. That Shitty French rocket is gonna yeet the homophobe telescope into the ocean The 2nd best outcome for every contractor involved (except for the launch provider) would be a catastrophic failure of the rocket during launch. - Contractors have already been paid $9billion more than originally advertised. - This telescope is going far enough into space that orbital maintenance is not an option - It would really suck to be the company at fault for killing a $10billion satelite if any provable neglect is involved. |
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I am waiting for the Webb Hubble telescope to come online.
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ABCD puppies. LMNO puppies. SAR2 puppies. CMPN?
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I predict it blows up on the pad, or fails to orbit, or fails to insert at the lagrange point, or fails to deploy, or malfunctions, or gets hit by a bus.
At this point I'm halfway to believing a conspiracy theory that it is a good enough scope to image nearby civilizations that don't want to be discovered, so they aren't going to let it deploy. |
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Fingers fucking crossed that it goes well. There is a ton riding on it.
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