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Remember when all the cultists here said they would never be banned lol then when they did get banned they defended it because their diety did the banning.
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This is tyranny plain and simple. I highly doubt any of these ruling will every be reversed of heard by the SCOTUS.
Sadly Trump will most likely go down in the history books as the man that gave the tyrants the keys to the kingdom with this ridiculous bumpstock ruling. We are one bad election away from these abusive powers being used to not only take our guns, mags and ammo but almost any property that Gov wants with the stroke of a pen. A shit storm of biblical proportions is brewing. |
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People keep missing this part. The government doesn't have to compensate you for property you turned over to them. The government also doesn't have to compensate you for stuff you own that they make illegal. For guns, see DC, MD, NY, NJ, CA, MA, etc. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The Government didn't "take property". They made the act of possession after a certain date illegal. Nothing more. People voluntarily turned over their property to the government. California has exemptions for the film industry to possess everything that is banned for common people. |
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Usually, in these chicken little court decision threads, I read the actual decision and find out the sky isn't falling. Well, I just read that decision. The sky's falling, folks. That decision, if it stands, is the groundwork for confiscation without compensation.
The rationale that the government can take property that it deemed legal yesterday because it deems it illegal today without paying you a dime as long as it advances public safety can be applied to your single family house (or farm) as easily as it can be applied to a bumpstock. But you'll have a nice apartment in the new building or a job on the collective farm, comrade, so it's all good. |
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Usually, in these chicken little court decision threads, I read the actual decision and find out the sky isn't falling. Well, I just read that decision. The sky's falling, folks. That decision, if it stands, is the groundwork for confiscation without compensation. The rationale that the government can take property that it deemed legal yesterday because it deems it illegal today without paying you a dime as long as it advances public safety can be applied to your single family house (or farm) as easily as it can be applied to a bumpstock. But you'll have a nice apartment in the new building or a job on the collective farm, comrade, so it's all good. View Quote |
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However, Senior Circuit Judge Loren A. Smith found that the government's rule fell within a common exception to the Fifth Amendment: property that is confiscated to advance the government's interest in promoting public safety. "The law is different in this case because the government, as the sovereign, has the power to take property that is dangerous, diseased, or used in criminal activities without compensation," Smith wrote. "Here, ATF acted properly within the confines of the limited federal police power." A hole so big you could drive a truck through. View Quote |
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We have gone the oposite way in which our founding fathers intended and designed the constitution to carry us. Croocked politicians have simply lied to and misled we the people. They now do whatever they want under the national security cloak. It is now "We The Politicians" Not "We The People " |
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Well, as has been said many times before, there's a reason the socialists not only want, but need, a disarmed population. Their agenda, when it's revealed and people truly understand what it's going to mean, is going to be a lot more unpopular than it is now. Some people will invite the socialist boot to their throat. Many more, however, will have to be forced to surrender to that boot. That task will be infinitely easier if the population is reduced to a mass of defenseless, helpless sheep. The founding fathers, in their wisdom, foresaw this eventual outcome. They knew, eventually, the American people would face a rogue, tyrannical government looking to put us back in the shadow of the castle. Sadly, we are going to see that attempt in our lifetime. The democrats have made it clear they see the future as part of a massive, all-powerful government that controls everything, owns everything, and is plugged into everything. That includes the very American people themselves. All we have to do is look to Venezuela to see where we will be in 20 years if we are dumb enough to let the democrats see their toxic vision to completion.
People better wake up, while doing so is a luxury we still have. |
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C. S. Lewis View Quote |
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Comments like that will get you called a nevertrumper 'round these parts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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If your town is burning down and the fire department dynamites the houses surrounding the blaze to create a fire break to save the rest of the town, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation.
If (God forbid!) Florida has another outbreak of Citrus Canker and (just like last time) the state cuts down, uproots, and burns every citrus tree within 50 miles of the most recent infection, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. If a bunch of jihadis are holed up in a warehouse shooting at the police and firing mortar shells into the city, and the Sheriff burns the warehouse down and kills the BGs as they flee, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. If Lord Humungus and his army are headed for Smallville on the only road into town and the Sheriff piles the entire inventory of the John Deere dealership on its sides to establish a defensible roadblock, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. That is the exception the judge is relying on. It covers reasonably necessary destruction or taking of private property in response to an immediate threat to public safety, not takings pursuant to legal or administrative policy. |
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Remember when all the cultists here said they would never be banned lol then when they did get banned they defended it because their diety did the banning. View Quote |
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Orwellian, isn't it? "Common exception" is a platitude to rationalize the tyranny and theft. The judge may as well have said, "because I said so, peons." View Quote |
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In no way is that constitutional. At all. |
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Apparently the key word in the exception cited is "dangerous". We lost our AR ban appeal based on the judge ruling they are extra dangerous in his opinion. Admittedly omitted applying "strict scrutiny" to the 2nd which will only happen at the Scotus level. Commies legislating from the bench.
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Yep,scary part wasn't the Bumpstocks,but they way they were banned. Shirley the dems won't abuse that when they get back in power someday............... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Scariest ruling I've seen in a long time. Shocked no one cares about this. This has implications far beyond guns. The Judge doesnt even cite SCOTUS ruling in Horne v. Dept of Agriculture from 2015 that says private property cant be physically taken for any reason. If the government can take any property they deem dangerous, we have no property rights. This is the first time the federal government has really made people destroy or turn in property. I hope this is appealed or we are all screwed. https://www.newsweek.com/bump-stock-ban-lawsuit-dismissed-1467834 Shirley the dems won't abuse that when they get back in power someday............... |
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Bumpstocks are just the gift that keeps on giving............
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If bumpstocks pose such a serious risk to public safety that they must be banned, then logically all fully-automatic weapons should likewise be declared contraband and seized.
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If bumpstocks pose such a serious risk to public safety that they must be banned, then logically all fully-automatic weapons should likewise be declared contraband and seized. View Quote The dems get back in power,they will go after every angle they can. And having a supposed pro gun Republican President and the House and Senate the first two years,couldn't even give us a status quo of no new fucking laws,but may have set a very dangerous precedent by fucking us over. I'm sure if we give Trump a 2nd term,and get the Republicans back in power,then we'll get some pro 2nd shit,along with cutting spending and the size of government................. |
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Or "high capacity" magazines,or semi auto's,or even barrel shrouds.................. The dems get back in power,they will go after every angle they can. And having a supposed pro gun Republican President and the House and Senate the first two years,couldn't even give us a status quo of no new fucking laws,but may have set a very dangerous precedent by fucking us over. I'm sure if we give Trump a 2nd term,and get the Republicans back in power,then we'll get some pro 2nd shit,along with cutting spending and the size of government................. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If bumpstocks pose such a serious risk to public safety that they must be banned, then logically all fully-automatic weapons should likewise be declared contraband and seized. The dems get back in power,they will go after every angle they can. And having a supposed pro gun Republican President and the House and Senate the first two years,couldn't even give us a status quo of no new fucking laws,but may have set a very dangerous precedent by fucking us over. I'm sure if we give Trump a 2nd term,and get the Republicans back in power,then we'll get some pro 2nd shit,along with cutting spending and the size of government................. |
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If your town is burning down and the fire department dynamites the houses surrounding the blaze to create a fire break to save the rest of the town, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. If (God forbid!) Florida has another outbreak of Citrus Canker and (just like last time) the state cuts down, uproots, and burns every citrus tree within 50 miles of the most recent infection, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. If a bunch of jihadis are holed up in a warehouse shooting at the police and firing mortar shells into the city, and the Sheriff burns the warehouse down and kills the BGs as they flee, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. If Lord Humungus and his army are headed for Smallville on the only road into town and the Sheriff piles the entire inventory of the John Deere dealership on its sides to establish a defensible roadblock, the 5thAm doesn't require compensation. That is the exception the judge is relying on. It covers reasonably necessary destruction or taking of private property in response to an immediate threat to public safety, not takings pursuant to legal or administrative policy. View Quote Gov knows all , and is making you safer . |
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However, Senior Circuit Judge Loren A. Smith found that the government's rule fell within a common exception to the Fifth Amendment: property that is confiscated to advance the government's interest in promoting public safety. "The law is different in this case because the government, as the sovereign, has the power to take property that is dangerous, diseased, or used in criminal activities without compensation," Smith wrote. "Here, ATF acted properly within the confines of the limited federal police power." New avatar? A hole so big you could drive a truck through. View Quote |
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even the average chemist knows that store shelves are full of potentially dangerous common things. Seriously dangerous. And, there is no way to realistically stop selling them....
they would have to stop selling fuel for one. Instead, the insanity of things that "go up" or bayonet lugs (much less those scary bayonets) Bump Stocks are a laugh. |
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They had no issue taking gold bullion, not will they have an issue with taking your 401k should they think it’s time...........
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They had no issue taking gold bullion, not will they have an issue with taking your 401k should they think it's time........... View Quote |
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The gold they took was US Currency, not jewelry, art, or private property. You don't own US Currency. Also, the Government didn't go and confiscate Bump Stocke. People willingly turned them in to not face prosecution. Plently of folks still hage their bump stocks. Possession after the date is the crime, not the item itself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The gold they took was US Currency, not jewelry, art, or private property. You don't own US Currency. Also, the Government didn't go and confiscate Bump Stocke. People willingly turned them in to not face prosecution. Plently of folks still hage their bump stocks. Possession after the date is the crime, not the item itself. View Quote I may not own the paper bill itself , but i do own the value it represents. When they confiscated gold , the people were reimbursed the value of that gold . I thought The Fed wasn’t a government agency ? If it is not then the actual paper money isn’t government property either correct? I’d love to know how many people kept their gold and said fuck the government. |
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We get a Democrat as pres....the 401K grab is probable View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not trying to attack here, but I have questions . Your post comes off as a huge amount of guardhouse lawyering . I may not own the paper bill itself , but i do own the value it represents. When they confiscated gold , the people were reimbursed the value of that gold . I thought The Fed wasn't a government agency ? If it is not then the actual paper money isn't government property either correct? I'd love to know how many people kept their gold and said fuck the government. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The gold they took was US Currency, not jewelry, art, or private property. You don't own US Currency. Also, the Government didn't go and confiscate Bump Stocke. People willingly turned them in to not face prosecution. Plently of folks still hage their bump stocks. Possession after the date is the crime, not the item itself. I may not own the paper bill itself , but i do own the value it represents. When they confiscated gold , the people were reimbursed the value of that gold . I thought The Fed wasn't a government agency ? If it is not then the actual paper money isn't government property either correct? I'd love to know how many people kept their gold and said fuck the government. The Federal Reserve Bank is the banking institution that keeps the market afloat and dealsnwith banks and monetary policy. The Fed is a private entity founded by Congress. While private for business organizations (banks) buy stock, the Fed is not actually privately owned like a traditional bank is. It is convoluted and complicated as hell. But basically, private self managing organization founded by the government to regulate manage the banking industry and currency use. Again, the Government has not confiscated Bumpstocks. People willingly turned them over. The bumpstock itself is not the criminal act, possession by unauthorized people are. If I was a SOT, I could possess bumpstocks after the enactment date, same way they can possess and make MGs. Look at Post '86 Dealer Samples for to Class III FFL as another example. I can't buy it, but Vito of Only the Best in South Florida can. |
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Same ruling will be applied if Betacuck Fake Messican Bobby O'Rourke or any Demmunist gets into Congress and passes the mandatory gun buy back laws, the law will still stand, weapons will be required to be turned in for destruction, but no compensation will be given. View Quote |
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Something is funnyhttps://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_question.gif I missed it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_A._Smith https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/loren-smith View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Obama appointee? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loren_A._Smith https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/loren-smith Contrary to the belief of some, R or D... doesn’t matter, they are all statist cucks. Just wait until the big government statist rulings come from the patriot act judges we got from T$. |
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