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Posted: 7/29/2022 8:50:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How? Almond farms are north of the land irrigated by the Colorado. A couple of years ago, Almond farms were accused of being a huge drain on fresh water supplies. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 9:04:16 AM EDT
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Something has got to give. If it's not demand, then it will be supply.
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Posted: 7/29/2022 9:08:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Flooding in Las Vegas. Wondering if any of that will end up in Lake Mead. NPS site doesn’t reflect it yet. Was a fucking crazy lightning storm. Didn't seem like all that much rain just a good bit in a short time. Most will end up in the lake but it will make about 0 difference in water level |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 1:33:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A couple of years ago, Almond farms were accused of being a huge drain on fresh water supplies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How? Almond farms are north of the land irrigated by the Colorado. A couple of years ago, Almond farms were accused of being a huge drain on fresh water supplies. I don’t know about almonds, but if they’re like cherries or apples they require allot of water as they mature. I would suppose it’s the same as trees need the water to grow the fruit. With apples they will actually defect if there is not enough water, everything from small size to small “drought” spots which make culls. Cherries won’t grow as large and will tend to have low sugar. Cherries also absorb huge amounts of water, which is why when there are rain storms they have to be quickly dried off or they will absorb so much they will split. Certain varieties of apples also require hydro cooling or they will sunburn and become inedible. Hydro cooling uses allot of water, which quickly evaporates before it even hit the ground, so you still have to irrigate as well. I don’t know anything about almond growing but if it’s like fruit trees or walnuts (we did have a couple walnut trees and if they didn’t get enough water the meat was small and bitter) water is important and lots of it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 2:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Flooding in Las Vegas. Wondering if any of that will end up in Lake Mead. NPS site doesn’t reflect it yet. Vegas (lowest part of the valley) is approximately 500 feet above the lakes highest level. ALL storm drains run straight to Lake Mead. Map of Vegas Valley strom drainage system. The valley slopes left to right (W to E). 
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Posted: 7/29/2022 2:53:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was a fucking crazy lightning storm. Didn't seem like all that much rain just a good bit in a short time. Most will end up in the lake but it will make about 0 difference in water level Did it flush out the people living underground in the drainage tunnels? |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 3:09:32 PM EDT
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7/25/2022
LOWER COLORADO WATER SUPPLY REPORT River Operations Bureau of Reclamation % Full / ac-ft X1,000 LAKE POWELL - 27% / 6,253 LAKE MEAD 27% / 7,025 LAKE MOHAVE 95% / 1,721 LAKE HAVASU 95% / 588 TOTAL SYSTEM CONTENTS As of 7/24/2022 34% / 20,103 TOTAL SYSTEM CONTENT LAST YEAR 41% / 24,119 |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 3:45:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: in Vegas, some of the big casinos had well permits to tap the aquifer. Years ago, an old friend that worked at one let me know how much they let run into the sewer to meet the minimum volumes needed to keep that permit. Wtf are you talking about. The lake loses more to evaporation than Vegas consumes. Educate yourself. https://www.nps.gov/lake/learn/water-budget.htm#:~:text=The%20Las%20Vegas%20Valley%20diverts%20almost%20a%20half,is%20returned%20to%20Lake%20Mead%20as%20treated%20wastewater |
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Posted: 7/29/2022 6:54:08 PM EDT
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 What's inside The Hoover Dam? |
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Posted: 7/31/2022 10:21:50 AM EDT
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 What happens if Lake Mead hits dead pool? |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 3:29:03 PM EDT
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Looks like Vegas had some flooding today? Will this help with the water levels or does that rely on upstream sources more?
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Posted: 8/12/2022 3:44:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like Vegas had some flooding today? Will this help with the water levels or does that rely on upstream sources more? I posed the same question after the first flooding in LV on 7/29. Looking at the NPS chart on Lake Mead, the elevation of the lake has gained about a half a foot. https://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/hourly/levels.html |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 4:14:23 PM EDT
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 Quote HistoryQuoted: I posed the same question after the first flooding in LV on 7/29. Looking at the NPS chart on Lake Mead, the elevation of the lake has gained about a half a foot. https://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/hourly/levels.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like Vegas had some flooding today? Will this help with the water levels or does that rely on upstream sources more? I posed the same question after the first flooding in LV on 7/29. Looking at the NPS chart on Lake Mead, the elevation of the lake has gained about a half a foot. https://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/hourly/levels.html Now hand it over, California wants that unaccounted for excess water. |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 4:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now hand it over, California wants that unaccounted for excess water. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like Vegas had some flooding today? Will this help with the water levels or does that rely on upstream sources more? I posed the same question after the first flooding in LV on 7/29. Looking at the NPS chart on Lake Mead, the elevation of the lake has gained about a half a foot. https://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/hourly/levels.html Now hand it over, California wants that unaccounted for excess water. 
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Posted: 8/13/2022 9:43:55 PM EDT
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Dry yet?
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Posted: 8/13/2022 10:51:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dry yet? Nope, it's actually gone up since the 1st of August (1040.91) Daily average for this week: Sunday 7 Aug 1,041.44 Monday 8 Aug 1,041.53 Tuesday 9 Aug 1,041.56 Wednesday 10 Aug 1,041.56 Thursday 11 Aug 1,041.60 Friday 12 Aug 1,041.69 Today so far 1,041.88 Edit: average for Saturday 13 Aug 1,041.90 (up almost 1' since 1 August) |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 12:56:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, it's actually gone up since the 1st of August (1040.91) Daily average for this week: Sunday 7 Aug 1,041.44 Monday 8 Aug 1,041.53 Tuesday 9 Aug 1,041.56 Wednesday 10 Aug 1,041.56 Thursday 11 Aug 1,041.60 Friday 12 Aug 1,041.69 Today so far 1,041.88 Edit: average for Saturday 13 Aug 1,041.90 (up almost 1' since 1 August) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dry yet? Nope, it's actually gone up since the 1st of August (1040.91) Daily average for this week: Sunday 7 Aug 1,041.44 Monday 8 Aug 1,041.53 Tuesday 9 Aug 1,041.56 Wednesday 10 Aug 1,041.56 Thursday 11 Aug 1,041.60 Friday 12 Aug 1,041.69 Today so far 1,041.88 Edit: average for Saturday 13 Aug 1,041.90 (up almost 1' since 1 August) Hells yeah global warming to the rescue! serious question though, if the area needs more rain to fill the lake, why aren't we cloud seeding like the Saudis and Chinese do? |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 1:00:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hells yeah global warming to the rescue! serious question though, if the area needs more rain to fill the lake, why aren't we cloud seeding like the Saudis and Chinese do? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dry yet? Nope, it's actually gone up since the 1st of August (1040.91) Daily average for this week: Sunday 7 Aug 1,041.44 Monday 8 Aug 1,041.53 Tuesday 9 Aug 1,041.56 Wednesday 10 Aug 1,041.56 Thursday 11 Aug 1,041.60 Friday 12 Aug 1,041.69 Today so far 1,041.88 Edit: average for Saturday 13 Aug 1,041.90 (up almost 1' since 1 August) Hells yeah global warming to the rescue! serious question though, if the area needs more rain to fill the lake, why aren't we cloud seeding like the Saudis and Chinese do? It's not really that area that needs the rain, the problem is way upstream. The mountains need more snowpack. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 1:11:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not really that area that needs the rain, the problem is way upstream. The mountains need more snowpack. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dry yet? Nope, it's actually gone up since the 1st of August (1040.91) Daily average for this week: Sunday 7 Aug 1,041.44 Monday 8 Aug 1,041.53 Tuesday 9 Aug 1,041.56 Wednesday 10 Aug 1,041.56 Thursday 11 Aug 1,041.60 Friday 12 Aug 1,041.69 Today so far 1,041.88 Edit: average for Saturday 13 Aug 1,041.90 (up almost 1' since 1 August) Hells yeah global warming to the rescue! serious question though, if the area needs more rain to fill the lake, why aren't we cloud seeding like the Saudis and Chinese do? It's not really that area that needs the rain, the problem is way upstream. The mountains need more snowpack. but like isn't that 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other? |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 2:02:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1040.63 on 27 July. LOWER COLORADO RIVER DAILY REPORT: Current Month (Daily Data) https://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/hourly/levels.html So at least a several more years of drought before politicians need to make difficult decisions? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:35:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:37:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
How does that have an effect (if any) on northern Arizona's water supply? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 9:49:57 PM EDT
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Arizona and Nevada hit with up to 21% water cuts that start January 2023
The White House announced on Tuesday water cuts for Arizona and Nevada starting January 1, 2023 Arizona will receive 21 percent less water, while Nevada will get eight percent less - northern Mexico is also included and will see seven percent less water The water cuts are in response to the Colorado River draining Lake Mead and Lake Powell, which are the nation's largest reservoirs More |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:02:26 PM EDT
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Warning sent for COC 4 & 7 - AJE
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:03:44 PM EDT
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edited - AJE
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:49:45 PM EDT
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edited - AJE
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:56:30 PM EDT
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edited - AJE
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Posted: 8/16/2022 11:09:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: edited - AJE The water rights involved in this are literally the most corrupt and ridiculous thing in government I had ever seen ( up until the last 6-7 years). They still rank way up there. That Cadillac Desert book mentioned above covers it well. Arizona should by far have the most access, and has the most responsible and well adapted plans in place for sustainability, but they get the shaft as a reward every time. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 11:10:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2022 11:11:53 PM EDT
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Oof, looks like the tomato harvest and immigrant workers will be SOL
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Posted: 8/16/2022 11:25:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: edited - AJE. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 11:28:31 PM EDT
[#32]
So how much less is Denver metro going to get? You know, the metro with a couple million people that gets their water from west of the divide but returns none of it.
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Posted: 8/16/2022 11:31:30 PM EDT
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Doesn't CA dump a shit ton of water into the Pacific every year? Make them build a pipeline system to pump it back to Lake Mead.
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Posted: 8/17/2022 12:37:10 PM EDT
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https://apnews.com/article/mexico-arizona-lakes-colorado-river-cc37e49759fabe8236a081286dfc61ee
Seems like Cali doesn't want to do shit. Makes me wonder if they already got promises from the big guy. If az faces huge cuts and California nothing I think we should double the price of Palo Verde nuclear power we sell them. |
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Posted: 8/17/2022 2:56:18 PM EDT
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All 7 Colorado basin states agreed to and signed the Drought Contingency Plan (DCP) in 2019.
Bureau of Reclammation recently tried to get the 7 states to come to an agreement for cutting water usage outside the parameters of that signed agreement. Since they didn’t come to an agreement by the deadline, the federal government announced they are going to follow the DCP. That’s where the amount of the water cuts by state come from. You all are bitching about California, but your states’ water representatives signed the agreement that spells out these water cuts. https://www.usbr.gov/dcp/docs/DroughtContigencyPlansBasinStates-TransmittalLetter-508-DOI.pdf |
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Posted: 8/17/2022 3:52:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All 7 Colorado basin states agreed to and signed the Drought Contingency Plan (DCP) in 2019. Bureau of Reclammation recently tried to get the 7 states to come to an agreement for cutting water usage outside the parameters of that signed agreement. Since they didn’t come to an agreement by the deadline, the federal government announced they are going to follow the DCP. That’s where the amount of the water cuts by state come from. You all are bitching about California, but your states’ water representatives signed the agreement that spells out these water cuts. https://www.usbr.gov/dcp/docs/DroughtContigencyPlansBasinStates-TransmittalLetter-508-DOI.pdf don't care, Cali still sucks |
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Posted: 8/17/2022 7:01:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All 7 Colorado basin states agreed to and signed the Drought Contingency Plan (DCP) in 2019. Bureau of Reclammation recently tried to get the 7 states to come to an agreement for cutting water usage outside the parameters of that signed agreement. Since they didn't come to an agreement by the deadline, the federal government announced they are going to follow the DCP. That's where the amount of the water cuts by state come from. You all are bitching about California, but your states' water representatives signed the agreement that spells out these water cuts. https://www.usbr.gov/dcp/docs/DroughtContigencyPlansBasinStates-TransmittalLetter-508-DOI.pdf Second, could you please point me to the page that supports your claim? |
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Posted: 8/17/2022 7:08:41 PM EDT
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edited - AJE
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Posted: 8/17/2022 7:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't CA dump a shit ton of water into the Pacific every year? Make them build a pipeline system to pump it back to Lake Mead. Don't be a retard, nature by design has rivers draining into the ocean. Lots of problems crop up if you don't have proper flows. I doubt you have heard of saltwater intrusion into the the Sacramento river delta? You most defiantly want water to flow to the ocean. |
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Posted: 8/17/2022 7:28:41 PM EDT
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So wait, California has 840 miles of water to pull from and these dumb fucks can't figure out how to do what Saudi Arabia does in millions of tons?
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Posted: 8/17/2022 7:40:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't be a retard, nature by design has rivers draining into the ocean. Lots of problems crop up if you don't have proper flows. I doubt you have heard of saltwater intrusion into the the Sacramento river delta? You most defiantly want water to flow to the ocean. in I think 2014, a federal judge forced the dumping of millions of gallons that would have otherwise been used for irrigation and such to protect an invasive smelt. |
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Posted: 8/17/2022 11:36:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So wait, California has 840 miles of water to pull from and these dumb fucks can't figure out how to do what Saudi Arabia does in millions of tons? There are a few countries over there figured it out and do it. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 1:05:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First of all, bitching about California is my mother fucking birthright. I shall never relent. Second, could you please point me to the page that supports your claim? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All 7 Colorado basin states agreed to and signed the Drought Contingency Plan (DCP) in 2019. Bureau of Reclammation recently tried to get the 7 states to come to an agreement for cutting water usage outside the parameters of that signed agreement. Since they didn't come to an agreement by the deadline, the federal government announced they are going to follow the DCP. That's where the amount of the water cuts by state come from. You all are bitching about California, but your states' water representatives signed the agreement that spells out these water cuts. https://www.usbr.gov/dcp/docs/DroughtContigencyPlansBasinStates-TransmittalLetter-508-DOI.pdf Second, could you please point me to the page that supports your claim? The document I linked is probably the easiest to understand the cuts the news is reporting using the table from it posted below. It is not the only document/agreement/court order/etc., and the document I linked references many of them; most notably is the 2007 Interim Guidance for Shortages, which is in effect through 2025, and the Colorado River Compact, the original agreement going WAY back. All of the "Law of The River" determines how the river is being managed and water is being allocated. This table is on page 52 (if you export it as a PDF) and it combines the amounts of water the states give up under the 2019 DCP and the 2007 Interim Guidance for Shortages. Signatures of the 7 Colorado River Basin state reps are on page 2 and 3.  The Bureau of Reclamation's August 2022 projection for Lake Mead level on Jan 1 2023 is 1,047.61 feet From the table: When lake mead levels are below 1050 and above 1045 feet: Arizona is cut 592,000 acre feet of their 2.8 million acre feet allocation or 21.14%. Nevada is cut 25,000 acre feet of their 300,000 acre feet allocation or 8.33%. California is cut 0 acre feet of their 4.4 million acre feet allocation. A news article to support my claim of the cuts being previously agreed upon by the basin states and aligning with the cuts published in the 2019 DCP: ...[US] bureau [of reclamation] and Department of Interior officials told a news conference they would give the states more time to reach a deal affecting the water supply of 40 million people. They instead fell back on previously negotiated cuts that for the second year in a row will impose reductions on Nevada, Arizona and the country of Mexico, which also receives a Colorado River allotment. A 24-month forecast released on Tuesday showed falling levels of the two largest reservoirs on the river, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, will trigger the previously negotiated cuts. Arizona, Nevada and Mexico will have supplies reduced for a second straight year: 21% for Arizona, 8% for Nevada... https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/us-western-states-deadlocked-cutting-colorado-river-use-2022-08-16/ I hadn't seen this when I made my post with the link to the 2019 DCP, but it also backs up the claim that these are previously agreed upon cuts from the 2019 DCP and 2017 Interim Guidance for Shortages: ...Lake Mead will operate in its first-ever Level 2a Shortage Condition in calendar year 2023 (Jan. 1, 2023, through Dec. 31, 2023). The August 24-Month Study projects Lake Mead’s Jan. 1, 2023, operating determination elevation to be 1,047.61 feet, which is calculated by taking Lake Mead’s projected end of calendar year 2022 physical elevation (1,040.78 feet) and adding the 480,000 acre-feet of water held back in Lake Powell to Lake Mead’s capacity to maintain operational neutrality. The projected elevation of 1,047.61 feet reflects a Level 2a Shortage Condition, within the DCP elevation band of 1,045 and 1,050 feet, with required shortage reductions and water savings contribution for the Lower Basin States and Mexico, pursuant to Minute 323, as follows: Arizona: 592,000 acre-feet, which is approximately 21% of the state’s annual apportionment Nevada: 25,000 acre-feet, which is 8% of the state’s annual apportionment Mexico: 104,000 acre-feet, which is approximately 7% of the country’s annual allotment There is no required water savings contribution for California in 2023 under this operating condition... https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/interior-department-announces-actions-protect-colorado-river-system-sets-2023 |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 1:08:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So wait, California has 840 miles of water to pull from and these dumb fucks can't figure out how to do what Saudi Arabia does in millions of tons? We have some desal, the largest in the USA is about 7 miles as the crow flies from where I'm sitting, it produces about 50,000,000 gallons of fresh water each day. The problem is the enviro whackos and nimbys fight any new proposal for desal. https://voiceofoc.org/2022/07/is-poseidons-huntington-beach-desal-plant-proposal-gone-for-good/ Edit to support my claim: Each day, the plant delivers nearly 50 million gallons (56,000 acre-feet per year (AFY)) of fresh, desalinated water to San Diego County – enough to serve approximately 400,000 people and accounting for about one-third of all water generated in the County. https://www.carlsbaddesal.com |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 4:52:59 AM EDT
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Given last weeks second vegas flood, I presume the lake levels have risen.
Another month of the torrents, and lake mead will be full again.
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Posted: 8/18/2022 5:19:32 AM EDT
[#46]
edited - AJE
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Posted: 8/18/2022 5:58:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Given last weeks second vegas flood, I presume the lake levels have risen. Another month of the torrents, and lake mead will be full again. Not how it works at all. The local rains, even if biblical, won't do much if anything for river/lake levels near LV. I used to live in S Louisiana near the Atchafalaya Basin. The locals would freak out when we got a lot of rain in the spring (high river level). They swore the levees would be breached but the river if anything stayed the same or even dropped a little. LOL. Mead is fed by the Colorado that is fed by water hundreds of miles upstream. THAT is where it needs to rain. |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 7:13:18 AM EDT
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It hasn't been full since 83....
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Posted: 8/18/2022 8:16:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have some desal, the largest in the USA is about 7 miles as the crow flies from where I'm sitting, it produces about 50,000,000 gallons of fresh water each day. The problem is the enviro whackos and nimbys fight any new proposal for desal. https://voiceofoc.org/2022/07/is-poseidons-huntington-beach-desal-plant-proposal-gone-for-good/ Edit to support my claim: Each day, the plant delivers nearly 50 million gallons (56,000 acre-feet per year (AFY)) of fresh, desalinated water to San Diego County – enough to serve approximately 400,000 people and accounting for about one-third of all water generated in the County. https://www.carlsbaddesal.com Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So wait, California has 840 miles of water to pull from and these dumb fucks can't figure out how to do what Saudi Arabia does in millions of tons? We have some desal, the largest in the USA is about 7 miles as the crow flies from where I'm sitting, it produces about 50,000,000 gallons of fresh water each day. The problem is the enviro whackos and nimbys fight any new proposal for desal. https://voiceofoc.org/2022/07/is-poseidons-huntington-beach-desal-plant-proposal-gone-for-good/ Edit to support my claim: Each day, the plant delivers nearly 50 million gallons (56,000 acre-feet per year (AFY)) of fresh, desalinated water to San Diego County – enough to serve approximately 400,000 people and accounting for about one-third of all water generated in the County. https://www.carlsbaddesal.com That's the problem with California, it's full of fucking morons |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 8:37:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Given last weeks second vegas flood, I presume the lake levels have risen. Another month of the torrents, and lake mead will be full again. Yep, up 20” so far. |
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