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Posted: 10/20/2023 1:11:12 PM EDT
https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/north-carolina-and-north-dakota-police-chiefs-and-federal-firearms-licensees-indicted

Mystery solved.  Now we know why LAV surrendered all those NFA items months ago.

Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:13:57 PM EDT
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FATF
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:14:36 PM EDT
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https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/north-carolina-and-north-dakota-police-chiefs-and-federal-firearms-licensees-indicted

Mystery solved.  Now we know why LAV surrendered all those NFA items months ago.

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well, that's dumb.  I think our country has much bigger problems right now
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:14:50 PM EDT
[#3]
Glad I stayed with repairing printers in my spare time.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:15:10 PM EDT
[#4]
Holy shit lol
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:15:30 PM EDT
[#5]
He’s had some shit luck lately. If he gets prison time he loses his VA disability $$ too
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:16:29 PM EDT
[#7]
I call it lawfare.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:16:48 PM EDT
[#8]
FPNI
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:17:00 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:17:05 PM EDT
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Says Vickers pleaded guilty

FATF

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In addition to the indictment, Larry Vickers pleaded guilty yesterday to participating in the conspiracy to import and obtain machineguns and other restricted firearms and admitted that he received some of the imported machineguns and other weapons.  As detailed in his plea agreement, Vickers kept some of the machineguns and other restricted weapons in his personal collection and transferred other machineguns and restricted weapons to other FFLs and third parties.  Vickers also pleaded guilty to a conspiracy to violate U.S. sanctions against a foreign firearms manufacturer between July 2014 and March 2021, in the Southern District of Florida.

Vickers faces a maximum sentence of five years in federal prison for conspiracy to violate federal law regulating firearms and a maximum of 20 years in federal prison for conspiracy to violate the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.  U.S. District Judge Julie R. Rubin has not yet scheduled sentencing for Vickers.

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Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:17:41 PM EDT
[#11]
I feel safer already. Fucking worthless pricks.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:18:47 PM EDT
[#12]
Fuck the ATF. Dude goes out and serves his country doing some real dangerous shit and this is how he gets paid back. Despicable.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:19:16 PM EDT
[#13]
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:19:35 PM EDT
[#14]
I'm glad the government took the initiative to get dirtbags like this off the street and out of our communities.  

Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:20:01 PM EDT
[#15]
Shall not be infringed.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:20:15 PM EDT
[#16]
"Itsallsotiresome"
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:20:40 PM EDT
[#17]
Glock switches and lightning links all over the hood and this is what they focus on?
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:20:41 PM EDT
[#18]
Bruen decided basically that the NFA is unconstitutional. And the recent Benitez’s ruling just reaffirmed this. So I’d fight this all the way up.  BTW….Where is the NRA?
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:21:09 PM EDT
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The indictment was announced by United States Attorney for the District of Maryland Erek L. Barron; Special Agent in Charge Toni M. Crosby of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) Baltimore Field Division; Special Agent in Charge Thomas J. Sobocinski of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), Baltimore Field Office; Special Agent in Charge Kareem A. Carter of the Internal Revenue Service - Criminal Investigation (“IRS-CI”), Washington, D.C. Field Office; and Inspector General Joseph Y. Cuffari of the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General (“DHS OIG”).

According to the 26-count indictment, Hall and Sawyer were Chiefs of Police in Coats, North Carolina and Ray, North Dakota, respectively.  Sullivan was the owner and operator of Trident, LLC, located in Gambrills, Maryland, and was also an Intelligence Analyst with the Department of Homeland Security Investigations.  Sullivan and Trident were Federal Firearms Licensees (“FFLs”) and Special Occupational Taxpayers (“SOTs”), which allowed them, in certain circumstances, to possess, import, manufacture, and deal in fully automatic firearms (machineguns) and other regulated firearms.  Tafoya and Vickers owned and operated firearms related businesses in New Mexico and North Carolina and were also FFLs and SOTs.

The indictment alleges that, beginning in at least June 2018 through at least March 2021, the defendants conspired to acquire machineguns and/or other restricted firearms, such as short-barreled rifles, by falsely representing that the firearms would be used for demonstration to law enforcement agencies, including the Coats Police Department and the Ray Police Department.  The indictment further alleges that Hall, Sawyer, and other conspirators signed law letters with no expectation that the weapons would ever be demonstrated to their respective law enforcement agencies.

The defendants allegedly intended to impermissibly import into the United States and resell the machineguns and other firearms for profit or to keep for their own use and enjoyment.  Sullivan allegedly submitted the false law letters to the ATF seeking to import the machineguns and other restricted weapons.  Once the firearms were received, Sullivan allegedly kept some of the machineguns and other restricted weapons and transferred some of the weapons to Vickers, Tafoya, and other conspirators.

In addition to the indictment, Larry Vickers pleaded guilty yesterday to participating in the conspiracy to import and obtain machineguns and other restricted firearms and admitted that he received some of the imported machineguns and other weapons.  As detailed in his plea agreement, Vickers kept some of the machineguns and other restricted weapons in his personal collection and transferred other machineguns and restricted weapons to other FFLs and third parties.  Vickers also pleaded guilty to a conspiracy to violate U.S. sanctions against a foreign firearms manufacturer between July 2014 and March 2021, in the Southern District of Florida.

Vickers faces a maximum sentence of five years in federal prison for conspiracy to violate federal law regulating firearms and a maximum of 20 years in federal prison for conspiracy to violate the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.  U.S. District Judge Julie R. Rubin has not yet scheduled sentencing for Vickers.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:21:18 PM EDT
[#20]
Glad they got him. I mean he's very dangerous, unlike all the ghetto thugs with glock switches in shitcago.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:21:42 PM EDT
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Bruen decided basically that the NFA is unconstitutional. And the recent Benitez’s ruling just reaffirmed this. So I’d fight this all the way up.  BTW….Where is the NRA?
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Suit shopping
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:22:32 PM EDT
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Fuck the ATF. Dude goes out and serves his country doing some real dangerous shit and this is how he gets paid back. Despicable.
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This
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:22:49 PM EDT
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It sounds like Larry actually lived that.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:22:55 PM EDT
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Fundraising, buying suits, and renting apartments for their secretaries mistresses.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:22:59 PM EDT
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FFS. All stuff that would be a non-issue if the gov't obeyed the 2nd Amendment.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:23:05 PM EDT
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ATF has been cracking down hard on law letters for years now. Reading between the lines it sounds like a couple small town police chiefs were basically just giving their FFL/SOT buddies letters for whatever they want, likely for some sort of favors in return. This isn't the first case I've heard of like this being prosecuted.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:23:30 PM EDT
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The indictment was announced by United States Attorney for the District of Maryland Erek L. Barron; Special Agent in Charge Toni M. Crosby of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (“ATF”) Baltimore Field Division; Special Agent in Charge Thomas J. Sobocinski of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), Baltimore Field Office; Special Agent in Charge Kareem A. Carter of the Internal Revenue Service - Criminal Investigation (“IRS-CI”), Washington, D.C. Field Office; and Inspector General Joseph Y. Cuffari of the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General (“DHS OIG”).

According to the 26-count indictment, Hall and Sawyer were Chiefs of Police in Coats, North Carolina and Ray, North Dakota, respectively.  Sullivan was the owner and operator of Trident, LLC, located in Gambrills, Maryland, and was also an Intelligence Analyst with the Department of Homeland Security Investigations.  Sullivan and Trident were Federal Firearms Licensees (“FFLs”) and Special Occupational Taxpayers (“SOTs”), which allowed them, in certain circumstances, to possess, import, manufacture, and deal in fully automatic firearms (machineguns) and other regulated firearms.  Tafoya and Vickers owned and operated firearms related businesses in New Mexico and North Carolina and were also FFLs and SOTs.

The indictment alleges that, beginning in at least June 2018 through at least March 2021, the defendants conspired to acquire machineguns and/or other restricted firearms, such as short-barreled rifles, by falsely representing that the firearms would be used for demonstration to law enforcement agencies, including the Coats Police Department and the Ray Police Department.  The indictment further alleges that Hall, Sawyer, and other conspirators signed law letters with no expectation that the weapons would ever be demonstrated to their respective law enforcement agencies.

The defendants allegedly intended to impermissibly import into the United States and resell the machineguns and other firearms for profit or to keep for their own use and enjoyment.  Sullivan allegedly submitted the false law letters to the ATF seeking to import the machineguns and other restricted weapons.  Once the firearms were received, Sullivan allegedly kept some of the machineguns and other restricted weapons and transferred some of the weapons to Vickers, Tafoya, and other conspirators.

In addition to the indictment, Larry Vickers pleaded guilty yesterday to participating in the conspiracy to import and obtain machineguns and other restricted firearms and admitted that he received some of the imported machineguns and other weapons.  As detailed in his plea agreement, Vickers kept some of the machineguns and other restricted weapons in his personal collection and transferred other machineguns and restricted weapons to other FFLs and third parties.  Vickers also pleaded guilty to a conspiracy to violate U.S. sanctions against a foreign firearms manufacturer between July 2014 and March 2021, in the Southern District of Florida.

Vickers faces a maximum sentence of five years in federal prison for conspiracy to violate federal law regulating firearms and a maximum of 20 years in federal prison for conspiracy to violate the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.  U.S. District Judge Julie R. Rubin has not yet scheduled sentencing for Vickers.
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Trident LLC were the ones involved with the first batch of HD-18 (SVD) rifles that MAC fucked up, haha
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:23:38 PM EDT
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Bruen decided basically that the NFA is unconstitutional. And the recent Benitez’s ruling just reaffirmed this. So I’d fight this all the way up.  BTW….Where is the NRA?
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The NRA is dead.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:23:51 PM EDT
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Glad they got him. I mean he's very dangerous, unlike all the ghetto thugs with glock switches in shitcago.
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Small potatoes
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:24:15 PM EDT
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Note the "import" part of that, as well as not actually doing demos.  If you're importing something on a law letter for demo, you better damn well take it and a box or two of ammo over the LE agency and let them shoot it.

If you make it yourself as an 07/SOT things are substantially easier/safer, however, that doesn't get you the cool kids toys like factory MP7s and HK416s.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:24:42 PM EDT
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OP should change the thread title.  Vickers isnt just indicted.  He plead guilty and testified against the others.

That does seem silly that all he had to do to avoid this would be demo the gun for whatever agency.  Buy them lunch, let them dump a couple mags.  And then the letter of the law has been upheld and he can do whatever he was going to do with the MG afterwards.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:25:45 PM EDT
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as dumb as it is, you would think he would know better than to fuck around like that being as high profile as he is in that industry.  Dudes around all sorts of Cops and Feds and God knows who.. Some one is gonna run their mouth about it and want to make them selves look good with their boss
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:26:03 PM EDT
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It was a travesty seizing his collection, that's for sure.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:26:58 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:27:27 PM EDT
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Note the "import" part of that, as well as not actually doing demos.  If you're importing something on a law letter for demo, you better damn well take it and a box or two of ammo over the LE agency and let them shoot it.

If you make it yourself as an 07/SOT things are substantially easier/safer, however, that doesn't get you the cool kids toys like factory MP7s and HK416s.
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I take it his slow-motion demonstration videos of machineguns don't count as a demonstration.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:27:51 PM EDT
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Made better.


PRESS RELEASE
North Carolina and North Dakota Police Chiefs and Federal Firearms Licensees Indicted for Conspiracy to Illegally Acquire Machineguns and Other Firearms
Friday, October 20, 2023
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For Immediate Release
U.S. Attorney's Office, District of Maryland
Baltimore, Maryland   A federal grand jury has returned an indictment charging five defendants with a conspiracy to illegally acquire machineguns and other regulated firearms.  Charged in the indictment, which was unsealed yesterday are: Sean Reidpath Sullivan, age 38, of Gambrills, Maryland; Larry Allen Vickers, age 60, of Charlotte, North Carolina; James Christopher Tafoya, age 45, of Albuquerque, New Mexico; Matthew Jeremy Hall, age 53, of Four Oaks, North Carolina; and James Sawyer, age 50, of Ray, North Dakota.

The indictment was announced by United States Attorney for the District of Maryland Erek L. Barron; Special Agent in Charge Toni M. Crosby of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives ("ATF") Baltimore Field Division; Special Agent in Charge Thomas J. Sobocinski of the Federal Bureau of Investigation ("FBI"), Baltimore Field Office; Special Agent in Charge Kareem A. Carter of the Internal Revenue Service - Criminal Investigation ("IRS-CI"), Washington, D.C. Field Office; and Inspector General Joseph Y. Cuffari of the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General ("DHS OIG").

According to the 26-count indictment, Hall and Sawyer were Chiefs of Police in Coats, North Carolina and Ray, North Dakota, respectively.  Sullivan was the owner and operator of Trident, LLC, located in Gambrills, Maryland, and was also an Intelligence Analyst with the Department of Homeland Security Investigations.  Sullivan and Trident were Federal Firearms Licensees ("FFLs") and Special Occupational Taxpayers ("SOTs"), which allowed them, in certain circumstances, to possess, import, manufacture, and deal in fully automatic firearms (machineguns) and other regulated firearms.  Tafoya and Vickers owned and operated firearms related businesses in New Mexico and North Carolina and were also FFLs and SOTs.

The indictment alleges that, beginning in at least June 2018 through at least March 2021, the defendants conspired to acquire machineguns and/or other restricted firearms, such as short-barreled rifles, by falsely representing that the firearms would be used for demonstration to law enforcement agencies, including the Coats Police Department and the Ray Police Department.  The indictment further alleges that Hall, Sawyer, and other conspirators signed law letters with no expectation that the weapons would ever be demonstrated to their respective law enforcement agencies.

The defendants allegedly intended to impermissibly import into the United States and resell the machineguns and other firearms for profit or to keep for their own use and enjoyment.  Sullivan allegedly submitted the false law letters to the ATF seeking to import the machineguns and other restricted weapons.  Once the firearms were received, Sullivan allegedly kept some of the machineguns and other restricted weapons and transferred some of the weapons to Vickers, Tafoya, and other conspirators.

In addition to the indictment, Larry Vickers pleaded guilty yesterday to participating in the conspiracy to import and obtain machineguns and other restricted firearms and admitted that he received some of the imported machineguns and other weapons.  As detailed in his plea agreement, Vickers kept some of the machineguns and other restricted weapons in his personal collection and transferred other machineguns and restricted weapons to other FFLs and third parties.  Vickers also pleaded guilty to a conspiracy to violate U.S. sanctions against a foreign firearms manufacturer between July 2014 and March 2021, in the Southern District of Florida.

Vickers faces a maximum sentence of five years in federal prison for conspiracy to violate federal law regulating firearms and a maximum of 20 years in federal prison for conspiracy to violate the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.  U.S. District Judge Julie R. Rubin has not yet scheduled sentencing for Vickers.

If convicted, Sullivan, Tafoya, Hall, and Sawyer face a maximum sentence of five years in federal prison for conspiracy to violate federal law regulating firearms and for each count of false statements related to submission of a law letter.  Sullivan and Tafoya face a maximum of five years in federal prison for each count of unlawful importation of a firearm and for each count of making a false statement in records maintained by FFLs.  Sullivan also faces a maximum of 10 years in federal prison for unlawful possession of unregistered machineguns and 10 years in federal prison for using criminal proceeds to conduct financial transactions.  Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties.  A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after taking into account the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.  Sullivan and Tafoya have already had an initial appearance U.S. District Court in Baltimore and were released pending trial.  Hall and Sawyer are expected to have an initial appearance at a later date.

An indictment is not a finding of guilt.  An individual charged by indictment is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty at some later criminal proceedings.

United States Attorney Erek L. Barron commended the ATF, the FBI, the IRS-CI on behalf of the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau and DHS-OIG for their work in the investigation.  Mr. Barron thanked Assistant U.S. Attorneys P. Michael Cunningham and Christine Goo, who are prosecuting the case and recognized Trial Attorneys Menno Goedman and Sean O'Dowd of the Justice Department's National Security Division and Criminal Division, respectively, for their work on the Vickers guilty plea.

For more information on the Maryland U.S. Attorney's Office, its priorities, and resources available to help the community, please visit https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/project-safe-neighborhoods-psn and https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/community-outreach.

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Says Vickers pleaded guilty

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They always set you up so if you don't plead a deal  they will break you and screw over your family.

Did it or not doesn't matter anymore.

Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:29:51 PM EDT
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Correct, they really should have known better.
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Or maybe ATF should focus on something more important, like tens of thousands of illegal machine guns in the hands of violent criminals.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:30:35 PM EDT
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Gang members carry machine guns everywhere in our US inner cities.

ATF and DOJ are going after these guys because they are white, non-homosexual men who vote conservative.  Change my mind.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:30:41 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:30:47 PM EDT
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The indictment further alleges that Hall, Sawyer, and other conspirators signed law letters with no expectation that the weapons would ever be demonstrated to their respective law enforcement agencies.

I'm not up on the minutia, but it sounds like an occasional range day where government employees get to shoot machine guns would solve many of these problems.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:31:09 PM EDT
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Let me know when AFT picks up one (1) person with a glock & switch committing a real crime.


This is why the NFA needs to be rolled back to 1934 standards or stripped.
It's not a firearm problem, it's what a person does with it.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:31:32 PM EDT
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They always set you up so if you don't plead a deal  they will break you and screw over your family.

Did it or not doesn't matter anymore.

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Says Vickers pleaded guilty

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They always set you up so if you don't plead a deal  they will break you and screw over your family.

Did it or not doesn't matter anymore.




100% this. If I was indicted for killing Hoffa I would try to cut a deal. You will never get out if you plead not guilty.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:31:49 PM EDT
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Damn that sucks.

Yeah FTATF dry but again, damn, they knew what they were doing and Vickers even plead guilty.

Need to get those shit stains in the GOP to change the law's and stop the ATF from infringing period.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:31:52 PM EDT
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Poor guy just had cancer and now they are gunna kick him down some more for some bullshit
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:32:22 PM EDT
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OP should change the thread title.  Vickers isnt just indicted.  He plead guilty and testified against the others.

That does seem silly that all he had to do to avoid this would be demo the gun for whatever agency.  Buy them lunch, let them dump a couple mags.  And then the letter of the law has been upheld and he can do whatever he was going to do with the MG afterwards.
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Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:32:36 PM EDT
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as dumb as it is, you would think he would know better than to fuck around like that being as high profile as he is in that industry.  Dudes around all sorts of Cops and Feds and God knows who.. Some one is gonna run their mouth about it and want to make them selves look good with their boss
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He probably thought the involvement with guys from DHS and police chiefs would bring some cover.
Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:32:54 PM EDT
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Damn!  That's wild!

Vickers pleaded guilty though?  Wtf?  Why didn't these idiots just call up the police agencies in question and actually provide a demo of the full auto weapons so they could cover their asses?

This is the part that has me scratching my head:

"Vickers also pleaded guilty to a conspiracy to violate U.S. sanctions against a foreign firearms manufacturer between July 2014 and March 2021, in the Southern District of Florida."

This is just a wild ass guess, but B&T USA is in Tampa, FL.  Were they perhaps exploiting their relationship with B&T and using the BS law letters to get full auto versions of the Swiss-made APC9, TP9/MP9, etc.?

Either way, it sounds like Vickers is pleading guilty to get a deal.  He'll end up dying in prison if he gets the full 25 years.  I'm sure he knows this and is willing to cooperate to get a lighter sentence.

I also wonder what happens to his royalties on all those BFG VCAS slings...

Link Posted: 10/20/2023 1:33:00 PM EDT
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OP should change the thread title.  Vickers isnt just indicted.  He plead guilty and testified against the others.

That does seem silly that all he had to do to avoid this would be demo the gun for whatever agency.  Buy them lunch, let them dump a couple mags.  And then the letter of the law has been upheld and he can do whatever he was going to do with the MG afterwards.
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The indictment further alleges that Hall, Sawyer, and other conspirators signed law letters with no expectation that the weapons would ever be demonstrated to their respective law enforcement agencies.

I'm not up on the minutia, but it sounds like an occasional range day where government employees get to shoot machine guns would solve many of these problems.
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If they signed a demo letter and no demo happened they are pretty stupid.
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