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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:53:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always wondered about dropping things over the damaged side, like a weighted tarp or some such, to let the water pressure seal the crack... slow the water down, anyways. Yeah, even back then, fothering a sail over the side (or some hatch tarps in Titanic's case) was another thing they could have done but didn't. I suppose it was a lost art from the not-long passed days of sail to steamship drivers - wouldn't occur to them. Besides, they were unsinkable! |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:58:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After reading the responses, I'd be part of the group pulling "men" out of the lifeboats. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:02:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rose was rotten selfish cunt. If she just would have stayed on the first life boat jack would have had the door all to himself. Cal and Lovejoy could have just paid their way on to one of Murdoch's boats like they intended. She was directly responsible Jack's and Lovejoy's death that night. That selfishness followed her her whole life. The bitch just throws the dimond away knowing full well what it could have done to help her caretaking granddaughter. After the movie implies she died at the end look at all the pictures of herself (not her family) she had at her bedside. Let's not forget just leaving her mother high and dry after presumably spending the last of their family money to keep her in good graces with the high society while she was trying to find a wealthy husband. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rose could have scooted her ass over and made room for Jack on that stupid door she was floating on. Fuckin' bitch. Rose was rotten selfish cunt. If she just would have stayed on the first life boat jack would have had the door all to himself. Cal and Lovejoy could have just paid their way on to one of Murdoch's boats like they intended. She was directly responsible Jack's and Lovejoy's death that night. That selfishness followed her her whole life. The bitch just throws the dimond away knowing full well what it could have done to help her caretaking granddaughter. After the movie implies she died at the end look at all the pictures of herself (not her family) she had at her bedside. Let's not forget just leaving her mother high and dry after presumably spending the last of their family money to keep her in good graces with the high society while she was trying to find a wealthy husband. 
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:08:59 AM EDT
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After reading many of the post here over the years of members admitting they’d abandon women and children to save their own asses in active shooter situations I have no doubt at least some of you would trample on the necks of women and children to save yourselves in any life and death situation.
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:17:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quite the contrary. You epitomize the very premise of the movie "Idiocracy". Allowing your virtues to impede your ability to succeed. This is why the barbarians will inherit the world. They will put produce you and force their will and culture onto others. The will to power. There is a reason the British Empire collapsed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One of the biggest things that separates us from the animals is the ability to rise above and overcome basic animal instinct and the ability to discover and follow moral truth accordingly. Whole aspects of our civilization depend upon it. You reflect the decline of that knowledge and ability in our society at large and baser human behavior in general. Quite the contrary. You epitomize the very premise of the movie "Idiocracy". Allowing your virtues to impede your ability to succeed. This is why the barbarians will inherit the world. They will put produce you and force their will and culture onto others. The will to power. There is a reason the British Empire collapsed. Ironically, the implication is that you are one of the titlular subjects of Idiocracy. The sort of men on the Titanic created the greatest civilization Mankind has ever seen. People like you reflect the decadence of civilization as baseness is elevated into virtue. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:29:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, even back then, fothering a sail over the side (or some hatch tarps in Titanic's case) was another thing they could have done but didn't. I suppose it was a lost art from the not-long passed days of sail to steamship drivers - wouldn't occur to them. Besides, they were unsinkable! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I always wondered about dropping things over the damaged side, like a weighted tarp or some such, to let the water pressure seal the crack... slow the water down, anyways. Yeah, even back then, fothering a sail over the side (or some hatch tarps in Titanic's case) was another thing they could have done but didn't. I suppose it was a lost art from the not-long passed days of sail to steamship drivers - wouldn't occur to them. Besides, they were unsinkable! Placing pretty much anything over the hole can be beneficial. I didn't realize they did so little. Without water-tight bulkheads, though, I'm not sure they could have saved the ship. Shoring, wedges, and such can't fix the fact that water can just pour over the tops of the bulkheads to such large compartments. Very poor design from a damage control perspective. My ship would probably go down pretty quickly if we got major damage. It was definitely not designed for that, but it still has more watertight bulkheads in engineering than the Titanic. The design of my ship also lends itself to a major free surface effect when flooded. We've had flooding due to water coming in through the suppers and I had to keep watch on one of the decks to see if it got above a certain volume because we'd have some trouble if we didn't start breaking out some pumps past a certain point. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:43:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a former HT, I've thought about this over and over. I understand the bulkheads were not water tight. I get that they had "gaps" at the top for air flow. The question that lingers with me, could there have been a way to create a water tight bulkhead after the fact..? I would like to think I could have mobilized the men and that fucking band to stuff mattresses and get us a fighting chance or die trying. No, the water tight bulk heads were water tight. There was no gap at the top. That is based on a common misunderstanding of what the problem with the ship construction was But, the water tight bulkheads only went up to E deck (sometimes D) which was very close to the water line. With the massive breach sustained whole multi deck compartments were flooding and then spilling over into the next.  You'd have been trying to create watertight bulkheads on floors where there were none and it would have been fruitless. She was rated for the front four compartments flooding and six were breached. If the bulkheads had extended higher it would only have slowed how quickly she sank. There is no overcoming the weight of the water she'd taken on. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:46:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would have grabbed a dinning table they would have been better than a door. Sounds loud. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:49:25 AM EDT
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I'm building something that can float
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Posted: 5/14/2023 7:27:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck all that noise. My woman and my children sur, everyone else is on their own. That chivalrous bullshit is about as stupid as the old British column battle formations. Nobody’s taking care of my family when I’m dead. Sorry not sorry Agreed. As I understand it, all those women and children who survived and their husbands didn't, had a hard time afterwards. Who wants to marry or support a widow with a kid or two? Women didn't commonly work outside the home then (it wasn't unknown, just not common), so how was she going to support herself and her kid(s)? More likely said womand + kids were on their own without an income. I would have said families get on the boats first, that way there would be an man to support his family and keep them from poverty/starvation/etc. This is an interesting read as well... Sinking the Titanic Women and Children first myth |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 7:52:39 AM EDT
[#11]
No.
Just take one of the many unused life boats. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 7:59:13 AM EDT
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The wife & I would of lit a couple of cigars and open a bottle of the finest whiskey and see what happened next.
We’re old and she would not of went without me. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 9:34:49 AM EDT
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Bill Burr does a great bit on the titanic.
https://youtu.be/FjLT-xI8_MA?t=323 |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 9:41:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With a full wooden interior and a carpenter's shop on board I think a few more floating things could have been fashioned. Nobody treated the sinking as serious until it was too late to launch lifeboats full from both sides. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As a former HT, I've thought about this over and over. I understand the bulkheads were not water tight. I get that they had "gaps" at the top for air flow. The question that lingers with me, could there have been a way to create a water tight bulkhead after the fact..? I would like to think I could have mobilized the men and that fucking band to stuff mattresses and get us a fighting chance or die trying. With a full wooden interior and a carpenter's shop on board I think a few more floating things could have been fashioned. Nobody treated the sinking as serious until it was too late to launch lifeboats full from both sides. 
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Posted: 5/14/2023 9:52:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a former HT, I've thought about this over and over. I understand the bulkheads were not water tight. I get that they had "gaps" at the top for air flow. The question that lingers with me, could there have been a way to create a water tight bulkhead after the fact..? I would like to think I could have mobilized the men and that fucking band to stuff mattresses and get us a fighting chance or die trying. The issue with the watertight bulkheads is commonly misunderstood. The height of the bulkheads was based on the number of compartments the designers expected to be breached in a credible accident scenario. If only one compartment was breached, the ship would have reached equilibrium before the water reached the top of the watertight bulkheads for that compartment. Just like a canoe doesn’t need a sealed top to float. Titanic was designed to remain afloat with any combination of two compartments flooded. In a bow collision up to the first four could be flooded without sinking her. As I understand it, the most likely accident scenarios were considered to be ramming something head on or getting T-boned by another ship, both of which would have breached fewer compartments than the actual accident. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 9:52:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2023 10:00:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would like to see a modern day sequel set on a budget cruise line by netflix of course. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 10:29:38 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rose could have scooted her ass over and made room for Jack on that stupid door she was floating on. Fuckin' bitch. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 10:48:43 AM EDT
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Interesting thread !
The women and children first thing comes in three different scenarios - 1. Enough lifeboats for all - so women and children first is just like being polite and opening a door / holding it open for a lady. You still get a place later. 2. Not enough lifeboats - then you are effectively committing suicide ( titanic scenario due to temp ) by letting women and children go first. 3. Not enough lifeboats but warm water - you are not committing suicide - just enduring a hardship. Then there is the very reall possibility that the lady is a Karen who votes Dem and believes you are a deplorable. Commit suicide to save her ? Many of that type would decry your chivalry as male privilege ! Me - will I help a person in distress ? Every single day. Will I commit suicide to help a stranger ? No. My other thoughts - the "women and children first" notion came from a time when both had far fewer rights. No equality. The whole dynamic was different. Women now claim equality and technically at least, would be hypocrites to go along with the "women first" thing now. Just as they are with men always paying for dinner ! |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 10:53:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, the water tight bulk heads were water tight. There was no gap at the top. That is based on a common misunderstanding of what the problem with the ship construction was But, the water tight bulkheads only went up to E deck (sometimes D) which was very close to the water line. With the massive breach sustained whole multi deck compartments were flooding and then spilling over into the next. https://www.simscale.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/majorDesignFlawsOfTheTitanic.png You'd have been trying to create watertight bulkheads on floors where there were none and it would have been fruitless. She was rated for the front four compartments flooding and six were breached. If the bulkheads had extended higher it would only have slowed how quickly she sank. There is no overcoming the weight of the water she'd taken on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As a former HT, I've thought about this over and over. I understand the bulkheads were not water tight. I get that they had "gaps" at the top for air flow. The question that lingers with me, could there have been a way to create a water tight bulkhead after the fact..? I would like to think I could have mobilized the men and that fucking band to stuff mattresses and get us a fighting chance or die trying. No, the water tight bulk heads were water tight. There was no gap at the top. That is based on a common misunderstanding of what the problem with the ship construction was But, the water tight bulkheads only went up to E deck (sometimes D) which was very close to the water line. With the massive breach sustained whole multi deck compartments were flooding and then spilling over into the next. https://www.simscale.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/majorDesignFlawsOfTheTitanic.png You'd have been trying to create watertight bulkheads on floors where there were none and it would have been fruitless. She was rated for the front four compartments flooding and six were breached. If the bulkheads had extended higher it would only have slowed how quickly she sank. There is no overcoming the weight of the water she'd taken on. Two part expanding foam could solve that problem, what year was that stuff invented? 
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Posted: 5/14/2023 10:54:40 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm wondering how many of them trying to force their way aboard just got tossed over the side by the mass of honorable men putting women and kids into the boats. Not enough |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 1:52:18 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryLol. Good one. 
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:09:10 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted: "Women and Children",..first. Would you actualy Drown for them. Not these days...."everything a man can do, a woman can do better..." has been the mantra for 50 years...so fuck em |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:09:21 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Just take one of the many unused life boats. At least one of the officers in charge of the lifeboats refused to allow men to board even as he launched mostly empty boats for lack of women and children to put in them. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:14:09 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, that husband and father gag really gets a workout in GD. Over the years, I've seen it used as an excuse to cover all manner of cowardly and despicable things. Kind of impressive, really. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:14:41 PM EDT
[#26]
Back then? Yes.
Today? Fuck no. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:20:34 PM EDT
[#27]
Men and women are equal now.... in fact, if you can't even define what a woman is why in the fuck should they get special treatment?
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:27:11 PM EDT
[#28]
Yes I would let women and children go first.I’ve made my peace with God and I’m truly not afraid of dying.My son will never say his father was a gutless coward.
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:44:51 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rose could have scooted her ass over and made room for Jack on that stupid door she was floating on. Fuckin' bitch. It wasn't a door. It was a part of an arch for the main staircase. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 2:55:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least one of the officers in charge of the lifeboats refused to allow men to board even as he launched mostly empty boats for lack of women and children to put in them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No. Just take one of the many unused life boats. At least one of the officers in charge of the lifeboats refused to allow men to board even as he launched mostly empty boats for lack of women and children to put in them. Nobody believed it was actually sinking, it was cold out. so why bother getting in the lifeboats and paddle around for a bit to just return to the ship when the mess was sorted out. Also some crew heard women and children only instead of women and children first. eta, also the water was a smooth as glass (which is why the iceberg was hard to see, no waves breaking against it), with the smooth water the lifeboats had a significant overload capacity. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 5:12:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you seen the passengers on a Carnival Cruise? It's a floating Walmart. Capt: "Men, bar the doors and batten down the hatches - we're doing the world a solid." |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 5:16:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody believed it was actually sinking, it was cold out. so why bother getting in the lifeboats and paddle around for a bit to just return to the ship when the mess was sorted out. Also some crew heard women and children only instead of women and children first. eta, also the water was a smooth as glass (which is why the iceberg was hard to see, no waves breaking against it), with the smooth water the lifeboats had a significant overload capacity. Additionally, it was expected that even if she were to be sinking, because of her advanced compartmentalization that she wouldn't founder until help arrived. Especially with the miracle of wireless help would be coming quickly. She went down way faster than anyone expected and help didn't come as fast as anticipated either. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 5:30:08 PM EDT
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"Oh, you're getting on the lifeboat? Ok, that means you dont need your PFD. GIMME DAT!"
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