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Posted: 8/22/2023 10:39:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But overall accurate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: *photo of literal supermodel* GD- "gross.. she has a freckle on her forearm." *BOTD photo of Mississippi 2* GD- "Thanks for posting bro, she's a stunner!" *person upset over their pet dying* GD- "LoL fuckin' crybaby Zoomer America is dead." *Arfcommer: My old dog died and I'm struggling to cope* GD- "Prayers sent. Love you, bro! It's never easy!" This type of post is so retarded GD IS MORE THAN ONE PERSON  But overall accurate. GD is as guilty of not reading as it is guilty of lumping GD altogether into stereotypes. Yes I get the irony of that statement. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 10:47:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now the only difference between vacation days and sick days is vacation days need to be requested in advance, vacation days accrue/carryover, and consecutive personal days need a doctor note or prior line manager approval. It's been great for the young healthy single guys but the middle age women are upset they have to work as many days as everyone else now. Everyone wants equal pay for equal work until it's time to do equal work.  I think OP could have been more tactful but it really depends on the job and the employee. Some jobs have so much slack that a no-show doesn't have much impact on day to day operations. Others run so lean that an unscheduled absence can be a real problem. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 10:51:54 PM EST
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Everybody wants to be successful until they see what it takes.
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Posted: 8/22/2023 10:55:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a guy ask to duck out early because his / his wife's cat died. That was more about dealing with his hysterical wife than the cat though. He's one of our top guys with zero performance issues. I still fired him. I will admit, that seems a bit harsh. What industry? |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 10:59:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will admit, that seems a bit harsh. What industry? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I had a guy ask to duck out early because his / his wife's cat died. That was more about dealing with his hysterical wife than the cat though. He's one of our top guys with zero performance issues. I still fired him. I will admit, that seems a bit harsh. What industry? I was joking lol damn. He took the rest of day off. Didn’t make him put the time in. No big deal. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 10:59:31 PM EST
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The plant manager at my last job didn't have the balls to enforce attendance policy evenly. I'd seen guys fired for not meeting the attendance policy to the letter, and useless people that always had some bullshit excuse get exemption after exemption. One that should have been fired 20 times over eventually did get fired, but they were back within a month.
It's one thing to be lenient with everyone and get walked on, but you piss off your good workers when you refuse to cut the dead weight they have to cover. Glad I got out of that place. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 10:59:51 PM EST
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If you have good attendance, it doesn't matter why you call in. If you have poor attendance, it doesn't matter what excuse you use.
Last I looked I think I had around 2 or 3 months worth of vacation and sick leave stacked up. If I call in, the boss knows I have a reason. I don't even bother explaining the reason, and he doesn't ask. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:07:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a guy ask to duck out early because his / his wife's cat died. That was more about dealing with his hysterical wife than the cat though. He's one of our top guys with zero performance issues. I still fired him. ETA: Glad you're kidding. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:11:22 PM EST
[#9]
Without reading this whole thread, just going to make a wild guess that this employee is either autistic or homosexual.
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:15:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had an employee ask for 2hr lunchbreaks so she could "walk her rescue bunny". Had another employee try to use sick leave because his dog had the shits. I see nothing wrong with that last one. Used PTO to handle a personal issue. These other loons? Lol, GTFO |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:16:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m 66% of that problem, and if I had an employee who had a close pet die I’d absolute have no problem giving them a few days to handle their shit and get to a better place. Imagine working for a place that doesn’t give a shit about you or events happening in your life. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A guy sent that? Threads on here about seeing the Barbie movie, T Swift, and talking about your feelings with your buddies. Not sure what is going on, but I think it's all related. I’m 66% of that problem, and if I had an employee who had a close pet die I’d absolute have no problem giving them a few days to handle their shit and get to a better place. Imagine working for a place that doesn’t give a shit about you or events happening in your life. How many days? |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:17:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have good attendance, it doesn't matter why you call in. If you have poor attendance, it doesn't matter what excuse you use. Last I looked I think I had around 2 or 3 months worth of vacation and sick leave stacked up. If I call in, the boss knows I have a reason. I don't even bother explaining the reason, and he doesn't ask. I personally think its a bad business decision and employee morale decision to allow people to accrue months of PTO. It's not normal to sit back and never take PTO or accrue months' worth. I'd at least want to know why and push for a limited amount of rollover each year. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:18:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was joking lol damn. He took the rest of day off. Didn’t make him put the time in. No big deal. LOL Sorry, your post was very matter of fact. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:24:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many days? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A guy sent that? Threads on here about seeing the Barbie movie, T Swift, and talking about your feelings with your buddies. Not sure what is going on, but I think it's all related. I’m 66% of that problem, and if I had an employee who had a close pet die I’d absolute have no problem giving them a few days to handle their shit and get to a better place. Imagine working for a place that doesn’t give a shit about you or events happening in your life. How many days? Depends on the normal work schedule and when I was contacted. Normal 8-5 M-F? If I got the text right now, I’d tell them they could have the rest of the week off if they felt like they needed it, but they are more than welcome to come back in if they thought they needed the distraction and to let me know if they needed anything, and reaffirm I’m not going to hold it against them in anyway and to get whatever they need to get handled handled. If there was some issue where they had already burned through all their PTO, etc, when they came back Monday I’d probably make sure they understand the position they are in and how we need to handle future situations should another need to take off happens before eoy. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:26:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally think its a bad business decision and employee morale decision to allow people to accrue months of PTO. It's not normal to sit back and never take PTO or accrue months' worth. I'd at least want to know why and push for a limited amount of rollover each year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you have good attendance, it doesn't matter why you call in. If you have poor attendance, it doesn't matter what excuse you use. Last I looked I think I had around 2 or 3 months worth of vacation and sick leave stacked up. If I call in, the boss knows I have a reason. I don't even bother explaining the reason, and he doesn't ask. I personally think its a bad business decision and employee morale decision to allow people to accrue months of PTO. It's not normal to sit back and never take PTO or accrue months' worth. I'd at least want to know why and push for a limited amount of rollover each year. I’m one of those PTO Maximalists, so I want to accrue as much as possible by not taking any PTO for some weird childhood neglect reason. The best way a company ever handled it I worked for was just paid out the unused PTO at the end of year, it was basically a second Christmas bonus. Prevented all the issues with banking PTO (particularly when leaving), and if you didn’t really use your PTO you got cash money. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:36:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm one of those PTO Maximalists, so I want to accrue as much as possible by not taking any PTO for some weird childhood neglect reason. The best way a company ever handled it I worked for was just paid out the unused PTO at the end of year, it was basically a second Christmas bonus. Prevented all the issues with banking PTO (particularly when leaving), and if you didn't really use your PTO you got cash money. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you have good attendance, it doesn't matter why you call in. If you have poor attendance, it doesn't matter what excuse you use. Last I looked I think I had around 2 or 3 months worth of vacation and sick leave stacked up. If I call in, the boss knows I have a reason. I don't even bother explaining the reason, and he doesn't ask. I personally think its a bad business decision and employee morale decision to allow people to accrue months of PTO. It's not normal to sit back and never take PTO or accrue months' worth. I'd at least want to know why and push for a limited amount of rollover each year. I'm one of those PTO Maximalists, so I want to accrue as much as possible by not taking any PTO for some weird childhood neglect reason. The best way a company ever handled it I worked for was just paid out the unused PTO at the end of year, it was basically a second Christmas bonus. Prevented all the issues with banking PTO (particularly when leaving), and if you didn't really use your PTO you got cash money. It all really depends on the individual attendance policy and how pay periods work. If you're hourly a simple policy like a shift change or making up hours within the same period makes all the difference between amount of PTO used. A lot of PTO I used at my last employer was because they were so inflexible in hours that I could work 50 hours in a week but still have PTO used. A shift change was basically a couple hour +- deviation from my normal clock in time and had to be approved in advance. If you have a much more lenient PTO and attendance policy where you can liberally make up time or get your full 40 in then taking PTO becomes a totally different proposition. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:37:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally think its a bad business decision and employee morale decision to allow people to accrue months of PTO. It's not normal to sit back and never take PTO or accrue months' worth. I'd at least want to know why and push for a limited amount of rollover each year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you have good attendance, it doesn't matter why you call in. If you have poor attendance, it doesn't matter what excuse you use. Last I looked I think I had around 2 or 3 months worth of vacation and sick leave stacked up. If I call in, the boss knows I have a reason. I don't even bother explaining the reason, and he doesn't ask. I personally think its a bad business decision and employee morale decision to allow people to accrue months of PTO. It's not normal to sit back and never take PTO or accrue months' worth. I'd at least want to know why and push for a limited amount of rollover each year. This is an interesting topic. About 9 years ago, I had the "opportunity" to work as a consultant in oyher Shops outside of my market. The PTO structure was the most ridiculous thing I ever saw. Shop Owners acted like vacation requests were a personal insult. No one actually knew where they stood with regard to PTO Employees requested leave for utter nonsense( haircut, kids haircut, leave .5 hour early for an at-home online training course that started at 8:30) Dog-bereavment Cat-bereavment I finally lost it on the entire Company. I have never before or since, cut loose on a group like that day...I was a slobbering maniac about PTO, amongst other things I saw. Upon finishing my tirade...4 Employees thanked me. The OWNERS, said I was too harsh. WTF. They were STILL upset about the OWED VACATIONS, and not all the obviously fake BULLSHIT Pet-related/death realted/ etc Leave that they were approving. That Shop went out of business about 29months later. Failure All Around |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:38:23 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It all really depends on the individual attendance policy and how pay periods work. If you're hourly a simple policy like a shift change or making up hours within the same period makes all the difference between amount of PTO used. A lot of PTO I used at my last employer was because they were so inflexible in hours that I could work 50 hours in a week but still have PTO used. A shift change was basically a couple hour +- deviation from my normal clock in time. If you have a much more lenient PTO and attendance policy where you can liberally make up time or get your full 40 in then taking PTO becomes a totally different proposition. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you have good attendance, it doesn't matter why you call in. If you have poor attendance, it doesn't matter what excuse you use. Last I looked I think I had around 2 or 3 months worth of vacation and sick leave stacked up. If I call in, the boss knows I have a reason. I don't even bother explaining the reason, and he doesn't ask. I personally think its a bad business decision and employee morale decision to allow people to accrue months of PTO. It's not normal to sit back and never take PTO or accrue months' worth. I'd at least want to know why and push for a limited amount of rollover each year. I'm one of those PTO Maximalists, so I want to accrue as much as possible by not taking any PTO for some weird childhood neglect reason. The best way a company ever handled it I worked for was just paid out the unused PTO at the end of year, it was basically a second Christmas bonus. Prevented all the issues with banking PTO (particularly when leaving), and if you didn't really use your PTO you got cash money. It all really depends on the individual attendance policy and how pay periods work. If you're hourly a simple policy like a shift change or making up hours within the same period makes all the difference between amount of PTO used. A lot of PTO I used at my last employer was because they were so inflexible in hours that I could work 50 hours in a week but still have PTO used. A shift change was basically a couple hour +- deviation from my normal clock in time. If you have a much more lenient PTO and attendance policy where you can liberally make up time or get your full 40 in then taking PTO becomes a totally different proposition. The worst is unstructured companies and salaried positions, where taking PTO requires you to do three times the work the week prior to prepare for the week of being gone
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Posted: 8/22/2023 11:43:00 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The worst is unstructured companies and salaried positions, where taking PTO requires you to do three times the work the week prior to prepare for the week of being gone You mean Ownership? |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:08:40 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why they call them Snowflakes and arf is full of them.
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:17:32 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was 10 my mom ran over my cat on accident, before school. I still went to school. It was terrible. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:36:17 AM EST
[#22]
I was working in L.A. when my mom called: the dog was dying and she had to be put down. I went to a spot in the parking garage so I could make a FaceTime call and say goodbye to her. I cried. Then I went back to work.
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Posted: 8/23/2023 12:53:33 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally think its a bad business decision and employee morale decision to allow people to accrue months of PTO. It's not normal to sit back and never take PTO or accrue months' worth. I'd at least want to know why and push for a limited amount of rollover each year. At my work, we can stack unlimited sick days. We can only have a maximum of 250 hrs vacation, after which they will start paying you for the hours beyond it. I use them when I need them, but I like to have enough hours in case something goes bad. Two years ago I was hospitalized in the ICU for a week, then unable to return to work for almost 2 months. I was very glad to have stacked up so much time. Now I'm building it back up to the max, so I use it very sparingly. For instance, Monday before last I had hernia surgery. I was back at work on Wednesday.
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Posted: 8/23/2023 1:09:08 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn man, it sure looks like it. This thread is fucking |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 1:18:47 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a difference between being a snowflake and not being a sociopath. If you're the kind of person that won't allow employees a day off to bury a pet, don't be surprised when your kids won't take a day off to visit you in the nursing home.  But in all seriousness, I get it. If it's a good employee with a solid history, then they can take a day for whatever it is that grieves them and it's fine. But I'd still look at it about the same as someone asking for a day off because their girlfriend broke up with them. Expecting "bereavement" time is just silly. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 2:34:17 AM EST
[#26]
Quoted: Person already has attendance issues and missed two days leading into this text. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/23831/IMG_0884_jpeg-2928627.JPG Facepalm. ?????  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 2:43:33 AM EST
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Posted: 8/23/2023 3:39:28 AM EST
[#28]
You know how arfcommers love to rag on Aussies and Europeans and call them lefty soft cocks?
Guess what? We are just ten years ahead of you in the pussyfication path. Sorry to tell ya that. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 4:31:00 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You know how arfcommers love to rag on Aussies and Europeans and call them lefty soft cocks? Guess what? We are just ten years ahead of you in the pussyfication path. Sorry to tell ya that. Us boomers know. It's also good I can fix 99% of my own stuff because the next generations aren't going to come to the ''rescue.'' |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 5:04:27 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: whats a PIP? As stated: Persona/Performancel Improvement Plan What it actually means is they are preparing to can your ass and make you jump through hoops to pretend you can keep your job. I've never met an employee who was put on a PIP who stayed with the company longer than the mandated period. PIP is a way for mgmt to cover their asses if they suspect their may be backlash. The PIP "goals" are often on par with the labors of Hercules. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 5:09:50 AM EST
[#31]
GD is full of Fur Babies and People crying about a Dog
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Posted: 8/23/2023 5:37:25 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2048/20160813_132743-1941618.jpgafter I had to put Tank down, I didn’t mention it to any of the guys at work for a month. That was for their safety and wellbeing. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2048/20170221_193834-2259887.jpg I have a kitteh the looks exactly like that. Same colors and markings as yours but she has a yellow belly with black spots like a leopard. Gotta wonder if there are some common Tabby Cat ancestors way back in time. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 5:42:48 AM EST
[#33]
Using a paid day off day off because your pet died? Sure, people spend their vacation days however they wish.
Paid bereavement leave for a pet? No, furr baby or not. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 5:50:57 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally think its a bad business decision and employee morale decision to allow people to accrue months of PTO. It's not normal to sit back and never take PTO or accrue months' worth. I'd at least want to know why and push for a limited amount of rollover each year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you have good attendance, it doesn't matter why you call in. If you have poor attendance, it doesn't matter what excuse you use. Last I looked I think I had around 2 or 3 months worth of vacation and sick leave stacked up. If I call in, the boss knows I have a reason. I don't even bother explaining the reason, and he doesn't ask. I personally think its a bad business decision and employee morale decision to allow people to accrue months of PTO. It's not normal to sit back and never take PTO or accrue months' worth. I'd at least want to know why and push for a limited amount of rollover each year. 2 sides to that. My son gets X # of "sick days" every year with no roll-over. He uses it like extra "vacation" days just to avoid losing the days off. I had roll-over at a former long-term job and it acted as an incentive to NOT use the days. They would pay out un-used PTO, vacation and up to 120 sick days. I had the max when I retired. That was an awesome check! ETA: A nice feature of the roll-over program was that the pay-out was at the employee's current wage rate, even if the hours/days had been earned years earlier at a lower rate. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 6:06:40 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No more fucked than the "my dog died" threads. Granted I think missing work because your cat died is a little over the top, but it feels like half of Arfcom values the life of there dog over that of any person they don’t personally know, and probably some they do. Seems those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 6:13:11 AM EST
[#36]
These be PIP's ------------------------------------------------- anna chick named Gladys... 
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Posted: 8/23/2023 6:39:29 AM EST
[#37]
I can understand taking a personal day when a pet dies, I’ve done it myself. but asking for bereavement pay? Kek.
The difference was my conversation went like “hey, my dog died overnight so I’m going to take a personal to take care of some things, see you Thursday” |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 6:42:19 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A guy sent that? |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 6:45:27 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As stated: Persona/Performancel Improvement Plan What it actually means is they are preparing to can your ass and make you jump through hoops to pretend you can keep your job. I've never met an employee who was put on a PIP who stayed with the company longer than the mandated period. PIP is a way for mgmt to cover their asses if they suspect their may be backlash. The PIP "goals" are often on par with the labors of Hercules. That said, a lot of management don't set attainable goals. At least in the last instance of the one I did, the goals were things that had been discussed and multiple training sessions had. PIP or not, the one thing I will not tolerate on my teams is the arguing/infighting/insubordination that I saw. I will fucking axe you so fast it will make your head spin for that shit. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 6:54:10 AM EST
[#40]
I once took a half day vacation to bury a dead cat. It was late fall and I wanted to do it during daylight hours. Just something so unwholesome about digging a grave via flashlight.
OP…think his cat is really dead or is this one of those guy‘s who‘s gramma died 5 times? |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 7:05:54 AM EST
[#41]
Wow
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Posted: 8/23/2023 7:17:35 AM EST
[#42]
Just another sign that the pussification of the American male has been successful .
A GUY wrote those texts. A freaking dude. An American male. WTF? If someone is that emotionally attached to the most aloof, arrogant , useless creature on the planet, something went very wrong in their development. Sounds like someone who really is immature and not ready for " adulting". Any excuse to get out of work. Dude needs to pursue a career in the "feels" sector of the workforce. I'm picturing an Obama's pajama boy type "man". ETA: OP, does he talk with a lisp? I bet he talks with a lisp. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 7:29:37 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't have any kids, and I don't plan on dying in a nursing home, so I guess I'm covered there. But in all seriousness, I get it. If it's a good employee with a solid history, then they can take a day for whatever it is that grieves them and it's fine. But I'd still look at it about the same as someone asking for a day off because their girlfriend broke up with them. Expecting "bereavement" time is just silly. It’s always the marginally competent employees with continuous attendance issues who expect to get more time off for ridiculous reasons. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 7:49:24 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean Ownership? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The worst is unstructured companies and salaried positions, where taking PTO requires you to do three times the work the week prior to prepare for the week of being gone You mean Ownership? Owners almost never have the luxury of being able to say "don't bother me, I'm on vacation". |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 7:53:54 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a difference between being a snowflake and not being a sociopath. If you're the kind of person that won't allow employees a day off to bury a pet, don't be surprised when your kids won't take a day off to visit you in the nursing home. The OP was describing someone who was on the verge of an action plan, and was just letting the employee know that despite a dead cat, the attendance policy still applied. It isn't the OP's fault that the guy had bad attendance before the cat died. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 7:58:35 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just another sign that the pussification of the American male has been successful . A GUY wrote those texts. A freaking dude. An American male. WTF? If someone is that emotionally attached to the most aloof, arrogant , useless creature on the planet, something went very wrong in their development. Sounds like someone who really is immature and not ready for " adulting". Any excuse to get out of work. Dude needs to pursue a career in the "feels" sector of the workforce. I'm picturing an Obama's pajama boy type "man". ETA: OP, does he talk with a lisp? I bet he talks with a lisp. Agree on the pussification factor. But I have 3 cats ATM, down from 6. A couple of them died over the past years. Yes, they are arrogant and aloof but I love them and they love me so they are not useless, unlike human females who have the same characteristics. I was sad whenever a cat died but did not take time off from work. No Real Man (tm) would do so. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:02:43 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I once took a half day vacation to bury a dead cat. It was late fall and I wanted to do it during daylight hours. Just something so unwholesome about digging a grave via flashlight. OP…think his cat is really dead or is this one of those guy‘s who‘s gramma died 5 times? I have a couple of stories on that subject. But, another time...... Afterthought: pet burial stories, just so no one thinks otherwise. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:06:40 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have good attendance, it doesn't matter why you call in. If you have poor attendance, it doesn't matter what excuse you use. Last I looked I think I had around 2 or 3 months worth of vacation and sick leave stacked up. If I call in, the boss knows I have a reason. I don't even bother explaining the reason, and he doesn't ask. This. I lost a dog that was the best dog I had ever had. I can honestly say his death still weighs on me. By the time it was all done I had to be at work in 3 hours, and I said Fuck it and called in. My HR lady called to see if I was doing ok but it wasn't an issue because I don't play hookie. The dude in the OP is lnt long for that job |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:07:10 AM EST
[#49]
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Posted: 8/23/2023 8:11:17 AM EST
[#50]
'At muster this morning I was advised a couple of staff will be late because....
It's raining.
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