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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:15:10 PM EST
[#1]
NASCAR died the minute Toyota entered it.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:17:01 PM EST
[#2]
Stage racing is the stupidest idea ever dropped on the fans. The points system is retarded as are licenses for the teams when Nascar can not draw 40 cars to most events. Most of the season they start 36-38 cars. In the past it was 43 and before that damn near everyone who qualified could race.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:17:54 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah, but Winstons are cigarettes!  When they ban Newports, they will be able to use it for the Newport Cup 
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:19:28 PM EST
[#4]
 remembering Coo Coo Marlin THE MAN NASCAR FANS KNEW AS "COO COO" - VISITING THE GRAVE OF CLIFTON "COO COO" MARLIN |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:19:45 PM EST
[#5]
There are a lot more entertainment options now than there was 25 years ago. Eyeballs have moved on. The automobile racing isn't the marvel that it once was.
You can drive a car fast who gives a shit. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:20:12 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stage racing is the stupidest idea ever dropped on the fans. The points system is retarded as are licenses for the teams when Nascar can not draw 40 cars to most events. Most of the season they start 36-38 cars. In the past it was 43 and before that damn near everyone who qualified could race. It would be ok if they just kept racing then throwing a false caution. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:20:30 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dale dying and them pussing out and not calling it the Winston Cup anymore were the one-two punch that killed it. Yep that timeframe was pretty much the end of me watching nascar. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:21:53 PM EST
[#8]
Every sport that has its sanctioning body have to force parity deserves to fucking die. When a sport is filled with losers that have to get someone else to weaken their competition, it is in its death throes. Fans that whine about wanting to see someone else win aren’t going to be long time fans of a sport to begin with and professional leagues of all types need to quit pandering to them.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:23:08 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stage racing is the stupidest idea ever dropped on the fans. The points system is retarded as are licenses for the teams when Nascar can not draw 40 cars to most events. Most of the season they start 36-38 cars. In the past it was 43 and before that damn near everyone who qualified could race. I don't like that they can't field 43 competitive cars, but you must have missed the field filler drama. There was a time when they had a bunch of start and park action. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:27:05 PM EST
[#10]
The economy in 2008 was the final nail in the NASCAR coffin. We lost alot of teams and crew members during that 08/09 season. Many never returned.
I was working for Ganassi when DEI merged with us. I got laid off Jan '09 and went to Front Row Motorsports for a few weeks with Andretti but they didnt have the budget to pay me so I left. I wasnt going to continue working for free. I never returned to the sport and havent watched a single race since. My brother started out with Yates with Kenny Irwin and left when Robert hooked up with Roush. He bounced around a couple teams after that, including Ganassi. (Brian Pattie and JPM are both complete assholes.) He left NASCAR probably 10 years ago and will never return. I think its a dying sport. They have tried too hard to make it mainstream and have completely alienated their base supporters. Nobody gives a flying fuck about NASCAR anymore. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:28:05 PM EST
[#11]
Never liked nascar but as a child In the 80s I did love seeing the Skoal Bandit car on tv.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:28:20 PM EST
[#12]
NASCAR died when it went mainstream.
When everything had to be dumbed down for new morons that just started watching it. The fucking idiots that had the scanners to listen to the teams talk fucked things up too. I do miss the Dr Dick Berggren's drama - "I'm down here in Rusty Wallace's pit. He's just radioed in there is a problem with the engine. He thinks cylinder #7's intake rocker arm's adjuster has backed off." |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:31:26 PM EST
[#13]
V8 Supercars would have been a great replacement but it only lasted one year here.
Working headlights, windshield wipers and racing rain or shine  Supercars - When The Rain Arrives |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:31:29 PM EST
[#14]
I enjoy nascar. Still pray and sing the actual national anthem before every race. Have met great people at every race I’ve been to.
Was a Carl edwards fan and picked up Ryan Blaney as my driver back when he was getting started. Talk about zero to hero the last two seasons. Exciting for me. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:33:57 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Alpha types?. Lolz They're just dudes driving a car in circles. Anyone could do it with one arm out the window, smokin a Marlboro. I could drive those circles with a Frappuccino in the cup holder and one hand full of avocado toast. I didn’t know Danica was a member here. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:35:16 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You would be the first into the wall or another car . Especially with a nudge from ol’ Tapper |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 8:45:40 PM EST
[#17]
i hung on until my driver hung it up
but if terry came back tomorrow there's no way i'd watch the shit they try to pass off as nascar today better times...  This Moment in NASCAR History: Earnhardt, Labonte tangle at Bristol in 1995 we won't talk about bristol '99... only time i ever remember earnhardt gettiing booed by the whole racetrack. and he fucking deserved it. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:04:26 PM EST
[#18]
I worked at DEI when it was under construction. Dale was a great guy . Like a big kid . He was always smiling and very friendly, not the intimidator that he was behind the wheel . His passing was the end of an era . Rest easy # 3 .
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:04:59 PM EST
[#19]
In all honesty, that's when it ended for me.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:06:34 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i hung on until my driver hung it up but if terry came back tomorrow there's no way i'd watch the shit they try to pass off as nascar today better times...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm9CmQvE6_Iwe won't talk about bristol '99... only time i ever remember earnhardt gettiing booed by the whole racetrack. and he fucking deserved it. I was there. Awesome race. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:16:45 PM EST
[#21]
NASCAR died when they paved the track and stopped running real moonshinners.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:19:33 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I tried to hold on after Dale's crash. I made it until the Bubba Smollett "noose" fiasco. That, combined with the kneeling during the anthem crap killed any desire I had left to watch or follow professional sports. Bunch of overpaid entitled ungrateful prima donnas. Same....... |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:25:37 PM EST
[#23]
Nascar died when they went to restrictor plates.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:27:04 PM EST
[#24]
I like watching rally cars those guys are nuts
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:29:06 PM EST
[#25]
NASCAR died when Bill France Sr. gave it up.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:30:07 PM EST
[#26]
It died with Dales death and Brian France nailed 40 into the coffin to make sure.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:31:03 PM EST
[#27]
He wasn't "The Intimidator" he was a titty baby. If he wrecked someone on purpose that was cool. If someone wrecked him he cried like a baby.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:31:30 PM EST
[#28]
As much as I could not stand they guy. I think you are right. NASCAR kind of needed the bad guy in black. I used to watch it as kid from the late 80's to the early 2000's. Tuned in for every race. After his passing it just was not as interesting. Sure I will turn on a race if it's on but it isn't just see television anymore for me.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:32:05 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dale dying and them pussing out and not calling it the Winston Cup anymore were the one-two punch that killed it. Yep, about where I stand too. Every decision nascar has made since then just reinforced that I made the right decision way back when. Sucks… it was fun while it lasted. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:32:11 PM EST
[#30]
You all just need to check out WoO . . . World of Outlaws.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:37:45 PM EST
[#31]
this thread reminded me that NASCAR actually streams a bunch of the old races
https://classics.nascar.com/channel/vfc-9zyg7vz-1 there was some amazing racing in the 80s and 90s |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:37:51 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He wasn't "The Intimidator" he was a titty baby. If he wrecked someone on purpose that was cool. If someone wrecked him he cried like a baby. i just posted a clip of "my" driver winning a race while wrecking because of him and in '99 he pulled the same shit with a MUCH slower car (and got booed by everybody for it) hated the guy at times but there's no denying that he could drive that fucking car, he was GOOD |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:37:53 PM EST
[#33]
If you are in the “ nascar has died “ camp , take an hour or 2 and watch a race . You might change your mind . Yeah , there is a lot of commercials , but if you can record it to fast forward past the numerous commercials you may actually enjoy the racing . These younger drivers are good IMO .
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:38:30 PM EST
[#34]
Quoted: NASCAR died the minute Toyota entered it. Toyota entered it because it's not real stock car racing. Funny enough, Toyota/Lexus now makes more sport oriented models than the Big 3 combined.  Also, racecars don't have limiters or restrictors. Go karts for children have those. As a kid who loved cars growing up, I was obsessed with NASCAR for a while. Then Daytona one year had multiple very long rain delays. Unfortunately, young me had learned math at that point, and calculated my mom's Buick could have completed the race in less time than the "racecars" driving at highway speeds. Lame. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:38:50 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You all just need to check out WoO . . . World of Outlaws. Yes indeed ! |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:40:25 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i just posted a clip of "my" driver winning a race while wrecking because of him and in '99 he pulled the same shit with a MUCH slower car (and got booed by everybody for it) hated the guy at times but there's no denying that he could drive that fucking car, he was GOOD He was good. I don't deny that. He was a tit too. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:41:12 PM EST
[#37]
It was never real racing to begin with.
Rally and F1 are real racing. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:41:35 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are in the “ nascar has died “ camp , take an hour or 2 and watch a race . You might change your mind . Yeah , there is a lot of commercials , but if you can record it to fast forward past the numerous commercials you may actually enjoy the racing . These younger drivers are good IMO . i want to go slow here and make sure that you don't misunderstand what i'm trying to say... fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck nascar. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:44:46 PM EST
[#39]
We used to listen to races on AM radio on family road trips
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:45:19 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i want to go slow here and make sure that you don't misunderstand what i'm trying to say... fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck nascar. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you are in the “ nascar has died “ camp , take an hour or 2 and watch a race . You might change your mind . Yeah , there is a lot of commercials , but if you can record it to fast forward past the numerous commercials you may actually enjoy the racing . These younger drivers are good IMO . i want to go slow here and make sure that you don't misunderstand what i'm trying to say... fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck nascar. Fair enough !  . Message understood .
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:46:26 PM EST
[#41]
Never watched it, but I always click on the threads I don't know why.
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:46:49 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It was never real racing to begin with. Rally and F1 are real racing. I got a little more into F1 last year but I don't think the racing is particularly good. I'm not saying the drivers aren't good. Monaco hasn't had an on-track lead change since the 90's I think? IMSA and sports car racing is cool. I watched a couple hours of Bathurst today. Never got into rally racing. I am going to follow Indycar a lot more this year. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:47:19 PM EST
[#43]
They don’t even race in the rain.
Even motorcycles race in the rain. Pussy sport. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:48:27 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are in the “ nascar has died “ camp , take an hour or 2 and watch a race . You might change your mind . Yeah , there is a lot of commercials , but if you can record it to fast forward past the numerous commercials you may actually enjoy the racing . These younger drivers are good IMO . I tried, but the format sucks especially since every race has become a yellow-green-white-checker sprint at the end. It's become entertainment (and not even good at that) instead of a sport: too much like WWE or whatever they call it now. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:49:28 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got a little more into F1 last year but I don't think the racing is particularly good. I'm not saying the drivers aren't good. Monaco hasn't had an on-track lead change since the 90's I think? IMSA and sports car racing is cool. I watched a couple hours of Bathurst today. Never got into rally racing. I am going to follow Indycar a lot more this year. In my opinion Indycar has better racing than F1. Also you know how tough Indy car racing is when a 7-time NASCAR champion can’t even cut it. |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:49:55 PM EST
[#46]
As a Rusty fan. I have to agree, Dale and his ride or die fans could have put a stop the woke bullshit .
Dale was a whiny bitch tho that wanted to wreck people and hurt them (rusty at talledega). Would wreck anyone dangerously to win , while whining for being barely touched. With that being said him and his fanbase was what kept it old school as long as possible. Despite his numerous faults |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:50:17 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Toyota entered it because it's not real stock car racing. Funny enough, toyota Practice 1 results was 8 Toyotas in the top 8 except Martin was 38th https://www.nascar.com/results/racecenter/2024/nascar-cup-series/daytona-500/stn/practice-1/ |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:50:37 PM EST
[#48]
in 2015 Kyle Busch missed 11 races due to an injury and still won the 2015 Championship. WTF!
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:54:32 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got a little more into F1 last year but I don't think the racing is particularly good. I'm not saying the drivers aren't good. Monaco hasn't had an on-track lead change since the 90's I think? IMSA and sports car racing is cool. I watched a couple hours of Bathurst today. Never got into rally racing. I am going to follow Indycar a lot more this year. You can start the Official Thread  |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:54:56 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn’t know Danica was a member here. Danica left Nascar years ago. |
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