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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: OK. Let's stipulate there's a "problem." You must define the problem, the cause, and a specific solution to address the problem. You seem to have some ideas, share them. Not acceptable: "It's unaffordable. It must be made affordable." Acceptable: "It's unaffordable and I want to raise your taxes until it is affordable for me." Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By 0311SKI: We could start with acknowledging theres a problem. Phones and crappy public schools didnt double cost of living the last 20 years. OK. Let's stipulate there's a "problem." You must define the problem, the cause, and a specific solution to address the problem. You seem to have some ideas, share them. Not acceptable: "It's unaffordable. It must be made affordable." Acceptable: "It's unaffordable and I want to raise your taxes until it is affordable for me." There are also a number of solutions that have been presented. |
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Originally Posted By 0311SKI: The problem: shits expensive. Solutions from someone with minutes of experience on the subject matter. - immigration enforcement (already in progress, but continuing) -PE out of all home sales -must be a US citizen to purchase homes These two items free up roughly 5% of the housing market. Lastly all corporate and business tax breaks are tied to either hiring of US workers, or raising US workers salaries. I dont care about the stockholders, if increased profits dont directly benefit the workers, im not gonna raise your taxes, but your paying full freight on what you owe. Eta, oh yeah, and section 8 is gone. Lots of landlords and renters have no problem with government subsidies when it benefits them. Getting taxpayer dollars out of the market should make it represent true market value. Business "tax breaks". How about individual tax breaks? How about killing tax deductions for mortgage interest? We agree, section 8 needs gone. We agree, illegal immigration needs gone. Trump is doing that. Keep govt out of salaries. Period. Kill the minimum wage. I'm gonna need a source cite for "freeing up 5% of the housing market" with these two simple tricks. I don't believe you. |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: I gave you specific data that proves that regardless of interest rates and home prices, the % of home ownership is remarkably stable during the last half century: 63-69%, currently at 65%. Somebody is buying those homes in the last 50 years. Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: I'm not interested in arguing with you about how many people should own homes when you deny basic statistics concerning income and housing costs. I gave you specific data that proves that regardless of interest rates and home prices, the % of home ownership is remarkably stable during the last half century: 63-69%, currently at 65%. Somebody is buying those homes in the last 50 years. You claim to like numbers yes? Go look up the median age of first home ownership and see how it's changed over the years. Once you do that come back here and make more gay excuses about how there is no problem at all. |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Business "tax breaks". How about individual tax breaks? How about killing tax deductions for mortgage interest? We agree, section 8 needs gone. We agree, illegal immigration needs gone. Trump is doing that. Keep govt out of salaries. Period. Kill the minimum wage. I'm gonna need a source cite for "freeing up 5% of the housing market" with these two simple tricks. I don't believe you. Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By 0311SKI: The problem: shits expensive. Solutions from someone with minutes of experience on the subject matter. - immigration enforcement (already in progress, but continuing) -PE out of all home sales -must be a US citizen to purchase homes These two items free up roughly 5% of the housing market. Lastly all corporate and business tax breaks are tied to either hiring of US workers, or raising US workers salaries. I dont care about the stockholders, if increased profits dont directly benefit the workers, im not gonna raise your taxes, but your paying full freight on what you owe. Eta, oh yeah, and section 8 is gone. Lots of landlords and renters have no problem with government subsidies when it benefits them. Getting taxpayer dollars out of the market should make it represent true market value. Business "tax breaks". How about individual tax breaks? How about killing tax deductions for mortgage interest? We agree, section 8 needs gone. We agree, illegal immigration needs gone. Trump is doing that. Keep govt out of salaries. Period. Kill the minimum wage. I'm gonna need a source cite for "freeing up 5% of the housing market" with these two simple tricks. I don't believe you. Google says roughly a little more than 3% of us homes are owned by PE, and a little less than 2% owned by foreign citizens. Why would I kill individual tax breaks before business ones? Individuals havnt had record revenue increases the last 10 years. When the trickle down starts happening again we can talk about eliminating corporate taxes. |
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Originally Posted By JaredC1: Lol. You did all the things needed for them to be prepared to leave. Most parents don't. You're being purposely pedantic. Originally Posted By JaredC1: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By JaredC1: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By JaredC1: Parents today are enablers. Many here in this thread. No one is raising their kids with the goal of leaving the nest at 18. I'm sorry that you aren't teaching your kids the skills to live on their own. That sucks 2 are out. One is an instructor pilot, the other owns a property management company. Them leaving wasn't my goal though. Being prepared, well adjusted, hard working and reliable people was my goal for them. None of that requires they leave at 18. I'm sorry you've embarrassed yourself. Maybe next time you shouldn't jump to stupid conclusions. Lol. You did all the things needed for them to be prepared to leave. Most parents don't. You're being purposely pedantic. I'm not at all. I didn't care if they left at 18, and that wasn't th goal. That doesn't mean I didn't want them prepared to. It's not pedantic, it's an important distinction. |
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Originally Posted By 0311SKI: Google says roughly a little more than 3% of us homes are owned by PE, and a little less than 2% owned by foreign citizens. Why would I kill individual tax breaks before business ones? Individuals havnt had record revenue increases the last 10 years. When the trickle down starts happening again we can talk about eliminating corporate taxes. So you want to confiscate homes owned by businesses, as well as homes owned by legal residents? Welp, it's theory. BTW, I was a landlord. Owned a few single family homes. Did a thread in GD about being a landlord. You can look it up. Would you have confiscated my property to satisfy your scheme? Also, does your confiscation theory apply to apt. buildings with multiple units, or just single family homes? |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: I don't believe you. "The rent its too damned high" is not a solution. Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: The problem has been defined, there's a number of causes that have also been brought up. There are also a number of solutions that have been presented. I don't believe you. "The rent its too damned high" is not a solution. Correct, rent being too high isn't a solution. Nobody ever said it was. It's certainly a problem though. Why do you deny so vehemently that there's a problem? It's well established and not up for debate. |
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: I don't give a shit if you believe me..the stats are clear, reality doesn't care what you believe. Correct, rent being too high isn't a solution. Nobody ever said it was. It's certainly a problem though. Why do you deny so vehemently that there's a problem? It's well established and not up for debate. You may not know this, but I stipulated there's a "problem" and challenged another poster to provide solutions. RIF. You seem very emotional. |
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Originally Posted By JustANumber: The housing market is fucked. The "I got mine, what's wrong with you" boomers have no clue. Now try it today as a single person. Oh, get roommates? Why live with strangers to afford a place, when one can live with their parents and pay rent to them? Keep the money in the family and provide support to one another. This is common across the world....but taboo here for some reason. Renting just puts your money into a corporation, or into another boomers pocket to pass onto his kids. That is money that cannot be saved up to buy your own house. Add in the extremely high cost of food, utilities, insurance, vehicles, taxes, goods, gas, healthcare, etc. And the items needed today that you didn't in the past...cell phone & data plan, computer/tablet, internet connection... I have several friends and acquaintances that lived at home for a long time. One was in his late 30's when he saved up enough to buy a house. Another is in his early 40's and still lives with his dad (mom divorced a long time ago, and he and his dad are big drag racers...so all their money goes into cars & engines. His dad is in bad health too, so I'm sure that plays a part now). Another friend of mine was a brick-layer with his dad growing up. He and his dad built his own house. Of course, his dad footed the bill for the materials, his dad gave him the land, and his grandmother wrote all the grandkids a $20k check on their 18th birthday, and gave them cars when they turned 16. Another was engaged with a kid and still living at home (16/17y/o). They moved out in their early 20's....but bought a house from the family on 2.5 acres for $48k only 15 minutes from the city. But GD tells me that they would have been better off if their parents gave them a boot out the door at 18 with nothing but the clothes on their back. It's the American way! Much of what you say would be great IF the adult kids paid rent to their parents in the first place. It's THE reason they are still at home for the most part, they can guilt Mommy, a real LLD, yeah, not so much. They would pay thousands a month else where for the use of a house, free food, a chef, a maid, utilities, cable, maybe a garage, and so much more. And yet, if that same Mom charged $600 a month [cheap at twice the price to be honest], Jr would shit his drawers and whine he ''couldn't save anything to ever move out.'' And in this, he's right. Why you ask? It's because he doesn't want to move out but he does want absolutely no rules either from his parents either. And if he loses his job and can't pay anything..........well, who wants to be the mean old mom? [Dads for the most part are immune from spoiled brat adult kids who never learned much more then how to mooch at life, Moms suck at it and it's far worse if a grandkid or three is involved. |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: So you want to confiscate homes owned by businesses, as well as homes owned by legal residents? Welp, it's theory. BTW, I was a landlord. Owned a few single family homes. Would you have confiscated my property to satisfy your scheme? Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By 0311SKI: Google says roughly a little more than 3% of us homes are owned by PE, and a little less than 2% owned by foreign citizens. Why would I kill individual tax breaks before business ones? Individuals havnt had record revenue increases the last 10 years. When the trickle down starts happening again we can talk about eliminating corporate taxes. So you want to confiscate homes owned by businesses, as well as homes owned by legal residents? Welp, it's theory. BTW, I was a landlord. Owned a few single family homes. Would you have confiscated my property to satisfy your scheme? You? Naw, your small potatoes (respectfully) Let's just call it "eminent domain". The equity firms can get fair market value for the greater good of the community, they'll understand. Then 8 million homes can get reintroduced into the market. |
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Yup, and now they deny that the younger generation doesn't have the same advantage. Right.... I just met 2 20 something landscapers working hard every day kicking ass , I know what I paid them. Worth every penny they worked hard and made great money showed up 2 days in a row 6 am and they are busier than shit. A guy could lay pavers with a crew and make 200k a year easy. But its work most 20 somethings think its beneath them and you're working too hard if you sweat. Thats why they are failures living at home. I laid tile at 21 years old was rolling in money and went to college at night. If a guy wants to actually learn a skill and work there's plenty of opportunity. |
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Originally Posted By 0311SKI: You? Naw, your small potatoes (respectfully) Let's just call it "eminent domain". The equity firms can get fair market value for the greater good of the community, they'll understand. Then 8 million homes can get reintroduced into the market. Awe, for the "greater good". Where have we heard that before?  At least you're being honest about your communist tendencies. And how about multi-unit apt. bldgs.? Would you generously allow people to own those and charge rent? |
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Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24: The blinders the boomers are wearing is going to come back to fuck us all. Im gen X and in a good spot financially (3% interest rate on a home half paid off that is worth double what I paid, 3 cars of which 2 are paid off, and well funded 401ks for wife and I). The next generation is going to see very few people like my wife and I in our 40s. They are generally fucked unless extremely motivated or lucky. That all starts with housing. Republicans can really make headway with the millennials if they enact some building code and general housing reforms. I have said this in numerous threads. "Starter" homes have disappeared in suburbia. 3 bed, 2 bath, builder grade on a 1/5 acre lot don't exist. That is a modern Starter home that can be built in many areas for under 300k. That gets a plumber and a teacher in the door in home ownership in their mid to late 20s. 2 car garage, basic appliances, cabinets, bathrooms, etc. Boomers make the claim that the above isn't good enough for the millennials. It is. But all the exists is mcmansions starting at 450 to 500k and around 3000k square foot. And since they haven't been building them around here for 20 years, the older homes are all too big or expensive unless you m9ve to the inner ring suburbs or city, and then have to deal with crime and shit schools. There used to be townhouses in the 90s and 2000s, but they stopped doing those towards younger families, and now have super expensive fancy ones with all the possible upgrades for the retired boomers who dont want to do maintenance anymore. |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: You may not know this, but I stipulated there's a "problem" and challenged another poster to provide solutions. RIF. You seem very emotional. Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: I don't give a shit if you believe me..the stats are clear, reality doesn't care what you believe. Correct, rent being too high isn't a solution. Nobody ever said it was. It's certainly a problem though. Why do you deny so vehemently that there's a problem? It's well established and not up for debate. You may not know this, but I stipulated there's a "problem" and challenged another poster to provide solutions. RIF. You seem very emotional. You said "rent is too high isn't a solution". I pointed out that nobody claimed it was. You've been denying the problem for the entire thread. |
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: "You seem emotional" last tactic of someone without an argument. You said "rent is too high isn't a solution". I pointed out that nobody claimed it was. You've been denying the problem for the entire thread. RIF. Suppose you actually state the exact problem, and the solution? You keep evading. |
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Originally Posted By DubyaB: Right.... I just met 2 20 something landscapers working hard every day kicking ass , I know what I paid them. Worth every penny they worked hard and made great money showed up 2 days in a row 6 am and they are busier than shit. A guy could lay pavers with a crew and make 200k a year easy. But its work most 20 somethings think its beneath them and you're working too hard if you sweat. Thats why they are failures living at home. I laid tile at 21 years old was rolling in money and went to college at night. If a guy wants to actually learn a skill and work there's plenty of opportunity. Originally Posted By DubyaB: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Yup, and now they deny that the younger generation doesn't have the same advantage. Right.... I just met 2 20 something landscapers working hard every day kicking ass , I know what I paid them. Worth every penny they worked hard and made great money showed up 2 days in a row 6 am and they are busier than shit. A guy could lay pavers with a crew and make 200k a year easy. But its work most 20 somethings think its beneath them and you're working too hard if you sweat. Thats why they are failures living at home. I laid tile at 21 years old was rolling in money and went to college at night. If a guy wants to actually learn a skill and work there's plenty of opportunity. I was a hauling a machine gun through the desert at 21. You're talking to the wrong guy. Fact remains housing has gone sky high and wages have not. This is a bad thing. |
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Originally Posted By Russkie: Also, boomers in my older suburban development (houses from 1990) are still majority occupants. They're living in the homes they had built and those would be considered starter homes now. I mean I understand wanting no house payment now that it's paid off but I think a big reason why there's no starter homes is that they're still occupied by booms Of the homes not owned by boomers, who is living in them? |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Awe, for the "greater good". Where have we heard that before? At least you're being honest about your communist tendencies. And how about multi-unit apt. bldgs.? Would you generously allow people to own those and charge rent? |
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Oh boy, we got another one. I was a hauling a machine gun through the desert at 21. You're talking to the wrong guy. Fact remains housing has gone sky high and wages have not. This is a bad thing. Your solution to both is......? |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Youre a young adult, 18-22 or whatever. Why does it need to be a nice trailer on land? Mine was $6000. Think it was nice? We spent $5k to largely gut it and make it liveable, so still $11k all in. I learned DIY out of necessity back then but it too has paid dividends that I still enjoy today. You are just starting out. You don't need nice things. You don't need a new, nice car. You need a ten to fifteen year old Honda Civic that will get you to your job and back. And I'd never change my circumstance. I learned a shit ton being forced to make my own way. Responsibility and personal accountability go a long way in life and learning those skills and discipline young is perhaps an advantage worth far more than free rent. Cash for clunkers messed up the used car market by making a generation of used cars functionally disappear. AND really? The young adult shouldn’t be driving a Porsche if money is an issue, but they also should have something that gets a good crash test rating. Growing up we drove in the same two cars— they were two years younger than me, but when it came to buy my first car as an adult my dad suggested I get a newer (not new) car, because of how far the safety had come along. Money can be earned, cars replaced, but people can’t. |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Awe, for the "greater good". Where have we heard that before? At least you're being honest about your communist tendencies. And how about multi-unit apt. bldgs.? Would you generously allow people to own those and charge rent? Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By 0311SKI: You? Naw, your small potatoes (respectfully) Let's just call it "eminent domain". The equity firms can get fair market value for the greater good of the community, they'll understand. Then 8 million homes can get reintroduced into the market. Awe, for the "greater good". Where have we heard that before? At least you're being honest about your communist tendencies. And how about multi-unit apt. bldgs.? Would you generously allow people to own those and charge rent? Im not sure what your talking about with the apartments, who owns those? Businesses and governments have quite the track record of forcing the sale of personal property on behalf of business (in the name of capitalism), but the other way around is commie? You asked for solutions, i gave you some. If you dont like them you can feel good that im a nobody with zero power so its not gonna happen. But dont think that the people whose pay and savings can't keep up with the increased housing costs are gonna vote for keeping things the same. And more likely will result in far worse. |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: RIF. Suppose you actually state the exact problem, and the solution? You keep evading. Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: "You seem emotional" last tactic of someone without an argument. You said "rent is too high isn't a solution". I pointed out that nobody claimed it was. You've been denying the problem for the entire thread. RIF. Suppose you actually state the exact problem, and the solution? You keep evading. People make not much money. This makes buying houses with money very hard. In the before time, houses cost less money. Easier to to trade money for houses then. I'm not sure how to make the problem any easier for you to understand. There was even a color coded graph on a previous page...that didn't help? I don't have to provide a solution to identify a problem. That's some dumb stipulation that you made up. |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Your solution to both is......? Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Oh boy, we got another one. I was a hauling a machine gun through the desert at 21. You're talking to the wrong guy. Fact remains housing has gone sky high and wages have not. This is a bad thing. Your solution to both is......? |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: So legal resident are not allowed to own homes. That's your solution? Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: He's talking about foreigners owning American land and houses. Fuck em. That's not communism, that's patriotism. So legal resident are not allowed to own homes. That's your solution? RIF. |
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Originally Posted By 0311SKI: Im not sure what your talking about with the apartments, who owns those? Businesses and governments have quite the track record of forcing the sale of personal property on behalf of business (in the name of capitalism), but the other way around is commie? You asked for solutions, i gave you some. If you dont like them you can feel good that im a nobody with zero power so its not gonna happen. But dont think that the people whose pay and savings can't keep up with the increased housing costs are gonna vote for keeping things the same. And more likely will result in far worse. I know people who own apt. bldgs. Yes. It's true. Apartment bldgs. have actual owners. Real live people. It's either their main business, or a side gig. You would confiscate their businesses? For the "greater good", of course? |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: I know people who own apt. bldgs. Yes. It's true. Apartment bldgs. have actual owners. Real live people. It's either their main business, or a side gig. You would confiscate their businesses? For the "greater good", of course? Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By 0311SKI: Im not sure what your talking about with the apartments, who owns those? Businesses and governments have quite the track record of forcing the sale of personal property on behalf of business (in the name of capitalism), but the other way around is commie? You asked for solutions, i gave you some. If you dont like them you can feel good that im a nobody with zero power so its not gonna happen. But dont think that the people whose pay and savings can't keep up with the increased housing costs are gonna vote for keeping things the same. And more likely will result in far worse. I know people who own apt. bldgs. Yes. It's true. Apartment bldgs. have actual owners. Real live people. It's either their main business, or a side gig. You would confiscate their businesses? For the "greater good", of course? Did I say all property owners? Or did I say private equity... |
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Houses cost much money. People make not much money. This makes buying houses with money very hard. In the before time, houses cost less money. Easier to to trade money for houses then. I'm not sure how to make the problem any easier for you to understand. There was even a color coded graph on a previous page...that didn't help? I don't have to provide a solution to identify a problem. That's some dumb stipulation that you made up. So you want to raise the minimum wage so errbody can buy a house? UBI for errbody? Your credibility SUCKS if you whine and contribute nothing to the solution. There, I said it. |
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Originally Posted By StevenH: Why is it that you and I have had such outlier experiences from the norm. We are both white male veterans. Maybe it's the VA loan help? Maybe it's the discipline that comes with service? Maybe it's white privilege or patriarchy. I'm shopping for another house right now. It's probably the boring places that tend to be more affordable. The cool exciting places are priced out of the market for many. |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Youre a young adult, 18-22 or whatever. Why does it need to be a nice trailer on land? Mine was $6000. Think it was nice? We spent $5k to largely gut it and make it liveable, so still $11k all in. I learned DIY out of necessity back then but it too has paid dividends that I still enjoy today. You are just starting out. You don't need nice things. You don't need a new, nice car. You need a ten to fifteen year old Honda Civic that will get you to your job and back. And I'd never change my circumstance. I learned a shit ton being forced to make my own way. Responsibility and personal accountability go a long way in life and learning those skills and discipline young is perhaps an advantage worth far more than free rent. Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By runfrumu: You see a lot of nice trailers or cheap land? Nobody wants to buy a trailer and lose their ass on it either. Also you mention not having access to a childhood home to live in. I bet your opinion would be a little different had to had that benefit. It’s easier and makes more sense to wait until you have a husband or wife and then move out and let the gears of daily life grind you to dust. Youre a young adult, 18-22 or whatever. Why does it need to be a nice trailer on land? Mine was $6000. Think it was nice? We spent $5k to largely gut it and make it liveable, so still $11k all in. I learned DIY out of necessity back then but it too has paid dividends that I still enjoy today. You are just starting out. You don't need nice things. You don't need a new, nice car. You need a ten to fifteen year old Honda Civic that will get you to your job and back. And I'd never change my circumstance. I learned a shit ton being forced to make my own way. Responsibility and personal accountability go a long way in life and learning those skills and discipline young is perhaps an advantage worth far more than free rent. Bootstraps to pull, he hasn’t (Yoda) |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: So you want to raise the minimum wage so errbody can buy a house? UBI for errbody? Your credibility SUCKS if you whine and contribute nothing to the solution. There, I said it. We're in problem framing now..COA dev comes later. You didn't answer my question, does the problem not exist if I don't have a solution? Why is the solution so important for you to admit the problem exists? |
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Originally Posted By Torf: It's probably location. I have never been lucky enough (or unlucky enough) to live in an area that has explosive real estate prices. I've never lived in San Diego, for example. I've only ever been there for business and vacation. It's probably the boring places that tend to be more affordable. The cool exciting places are priced out of the market for many. Iowa. Plenty of affordability there. But it's not cool to live in Iowa. Or rural Oklahoma. Not cool. At all. |
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Originally Posted By SubversiveSammich: Hi, millennial in his mid 30s here. Just wanted to say that in a decade or so I will be voting to strip you old bootstrap boomers of your social security, minimum it will be means tested. Maximum its abolished. Hope to do that before my kids start working. Sorry. Modern society drains the youth in all modern countries of their vitality for the sake of the comfort of the old. Gotta prioritize. This generational vampirism is going to end, might as well be peacefully. I paid into social security for 32 years, but I shouldn't get any of it back? Why did I have to pay? After I graduated high school my folks moved from Cincinnati to a really nice house in Fairfield Ohio. I lived there 5 years, the house was built on a hill and one side of the basement had a walk out onto level ground. I had my bedroom, full bath, and the family room with a wet bar. While living there I bought a new car, had one of the best home stereo systems at the time, a modest gun collection a few Colt and Smith revolvers, and the down payment for my first house. I was 22 when I bought my house. I was married close to 30 years, had 2 kids, and my wife might have worked a total of 2 years out of 30. Only time I ever rented was when I moved to St. Augustine in 2001. I rented a place for a year while looking for the house I wanted. Ended up having a new one built, so I rented an extra 10 months. |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: If you don't have a suggestion about solving the problem, thenyour "problem" is, just, like, your opinion, man. Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: So if I don't have a solution does that mean the problem doesn't exist? If you don't have a suggestion about solving the problem, thenyour "problem" is, just, like, your opinion, man. As I said before, problem framing first, then COA dev. |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: So, the fact that the property owners incorprated as a PE firm is your main complaint. Got it. Problem solved! Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Originally Posted By 0311SKI: Did I say all property owners? Or did I say private equity... So, the fact that the property owners incorprated as a PE firm is your main complaint. Got it. Problem solved! Ffs. You're too smart to act this dumb |
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Please cite where I said anything about raising minimum wage or UBI. We're in problem framing now..COA dev comes later. You didn't answer my question, does the problem not exist if I don't have a solution? Why is the solution so important for you to admit the problem exists? What I said is that if you don't have a credible suggestion to solve your perceived problem, then you're part of the problem. |
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Originally Posted By wood714: I paid into social security for 32 years, but I shouldn't get any of it back? Why did I have to pay? After I graduated high school my folks moved from Cincinnati to a really nice house in Fairfield Ohio. I lived there 5 years, the house was built on a hill and one side of the basement had a walk out onto level ground. I had my bedroom, full bath, and the family room with a wet bar. While living there I bought a new car, had one of the best home stereo systems at the time, a modest gun collection a few Colt and Smith revolvers, and the down payment for my first house. I was 22 when I bought my house. I was married close to 30 years, had 2 kids, and my wife might have worked a total of 2 years out of 30. Only time I ever rented was when I moved to St. Augustine in 2001. I rented a place for a year while looking for the house I wanted. Ended up having a new one built, so I rented an extra 10 months. No. No SS for you. You pay, you no get. Communism is for the greater good. Back to work, peasant! |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: What I said is that if you don't have a credible suggestion to solve your perceived problem, then you're part of the problem. RIF. I'm definitely not part of the housing cost problem. |
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The problem is the under 30 participation trophy/social promotion kids never had to work for anything in their lives and their parents continue to coddle/enable them. Freedom Homes is Crestview has factory built homes starting at $69,999. That is better construction, cheaper and no where the %17 I paid for a starter home. But the participation trophy kids think they should start out in a 5 bd 3.5 ba house with a pool in a gated community. Fuck the whiney wimps. |
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Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: GD has the weirdest blinders on to the fact that the housing market is complete trash, and has been for some time, with no indication that it's going to let up. If you've got money in the markets, times have rarely been better. If you don't, you're taking it dry. GD skews old, and therefore wealthier. And everyone thinks his own life typifies the world at large. The truth is that you get generations are both generally less resilient and capable, and simultaneously facing legitimately greater challenges. But people really seem geared toward an either/or world view. |
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Originally Posted By jim02: Maybe this will help with generational care coming back to the family. It would allow for a higher standard of living for all involved. Nice wish but I doubt it because the current and recent crops of human beings have lost the ability or desire to respect their elders. |
My own view is that left-wing positions largely come about from resentment, I agree with Nietzsche, a resentment about the surrounding social order. They have privileges, I don't. Or, I have them and I can't live up to them. Roger Scruton