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Posted: 3/9/2019 1:37:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/9/2019 1:41:09 PM EDT
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In before the facial hair does not effect mask seal crowd.
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Posted: 3/9/2019 1:43:44 PM EDT
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His body, his choice.
If he wants to die of CO poisoning, let him. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 1:46:39 PM EDT
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In before the facial hair does not effect mask seal crowd. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 1:49:24 PM EDT
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In before the facial hair does not effect mask seal crowd. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 1:53:19 PM EDT
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Quick question:
Do Sikhs get to have beards and turbans working for that same department? Do Muslims? Somehow I think this would be okay for certain exalted demographics. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:00:10 PM EDT
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Great Scott!
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:01:16 PM EDT
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His body, his choice. If he wants to die of CO poisoning, let him. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:02:55 PM EDT
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But it doesnt. People pass all the time . Ambulance company pulled the same where I worked. If it was abiut keeping you safe you would wear a motorcycle helmet in the rig Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In before the facial hair does not effect mask seal crowd. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:03:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:04:20 PM EDT
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Let the dumb fuck grow it and the next time he goes into a smoke filled building he will die because his acba won’t be air tight.
Problem solves itself |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:05:48 PM EDT
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Hey Medicfrost, I recognize your avatar. Its the motel6 service dog shootr.
nice |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:06:21 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure God doesn't care if you have a beard or not.
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:07:32 PM EDT
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His body, his choice. If he wants to die of CO poisoning, let him. The thousands receiving and suing for 9-11 benefits are a prime example. Every firefighter knows to don their mask when they go into a fire or a hazardous environment but somehow the rules went out the window on 9-11 and in the weeks and months to follow. An old friend was with the FDNY and he grew out his beard and his Captain told him to tone it down big time for the same reason, mask sealing issues. Whether it does or does not compromise the mask seal is not the issue as it is the safety rule that has been adopted. Well he pushed back and was told shave it or get a rip and continue to get rips until you comply or get suspended. He complied and shaved it down. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:10:04 PM EDT
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But it doesnt. People pass all the time . Ambulance company pulled the same where I worked. If it was abiut keeping you safe you would wear a motorcycle helmet in the rig For a SCBA, it's typically 10,000. When I ran rescue squads, if you weren't in the 100,000s, you got a new mask or didn't pass. It does fucking matter when you're in the middle of a burning building with a life threatening amount of scalding hot gases and fumes. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:11:25 PM EDT
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If you were in a cloud of potassium cyanide, would you rather or rather not have a beard between you and the mask seal? |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:14:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, but that is dumb. The safety rules are not their just to protect you but the other fire fighters as well. If one asshole goes down because he is not wearing his gear properly he endangers the others when they have to comes save his ass. We also know that if someone suffers some type of injury when not wearing their gear they would be looking for a handout or to sue. The thousands receiving and suing for 9-11 benefits are a prime example. Every firefighter knows to don their mask when they go into a fire or a hazardous environment but somehow the rules went out the window on 9-11 and in the weeks and months to follow. An old friend was with the FDNY and he grew out his beard and his Captain told him to tone it down big time for the same reason, mask sealing issues. Whether it does or does not compromise the mask seal is not the issue as it is the safety rule that has been adopted. Well he pushed back and was told shave it or get a rip and continue to get rips until you comply or get suspended. He complied and shaved it down. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:15:52 PM EDT
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Can't wear ppe? Can't have job.
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:15:59 PM EDT
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At least he does claim to be a Viking/worship a raven or thunderbolt/ type of beard.
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:18:08 PM EDT
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You can throw out whatever doomsday scenario you want. Department down the road makes them clean shave but the Draeger masks have cracks in them. Its about appearance. Make it about appearance and dont cite BS safety to justify it. We have people test with beards and pass. I myself shave clean. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you were in a cloud of potassium cyanide, would you rather or rather not have a beard between you and the mask seal? |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:18:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:21:10 PM EDT
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Is that a real thing here? Do they face fit through a straw to make osha happy lol If he wants to keep his beard, he can become a janitor or quit. Good luck getting on another full time department because every department I have seen, even a majority of volunteer departments, are upfront about no beards. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:21:23 PM EDT
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It was a simple question. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:24:22 PM EDT
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Find another job You're not owed a job, it's not a right. If you can't wear a respirator, you can't do the job. Motherfucker is the kind of guy who thinks going down in a fire and having to be rescued by those who actually give a shit is an okay situation. Obviously only gives a shit about himself, and can also GFH. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:30:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not his body his choice when he has teammates relying on him and may wind up having to rescue his dumb ass. be breathed into the lungs. One, two, three times with inadequate protection might not be enough to cause any harm, however over the course ones career breathing in that shit can catch up with a person. Depending on what state laws exist that covers firefighter safety, the department/community could be on the hook for additional health benefits and payouts. A number of states have enacted 'heart Lung' bills to address the issue of high rates of work related cancer and heart disease amongst firefighters and other public safety personnel. firefighter heart and lung bill |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:30:08 PM EDT
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His body, his choice. If he wants to die of CO poisoning, let him. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:30:37 PM EDT
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Improper face mask seal and you can get hurt or die because you are breathing in toxic gases. Not many religions ask you to get hurt except the ROP.
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:33:12 PM EDT
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But it doesnt. People pass all the time . Ambulance company pulled the same where I worked. If it was abiut keeping you safe you would wear a motorcycle helmet in the rig Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In before the facial hair does not effect mask seal crowd. My brother in law had to shave his beard because he kept failing his fit tests. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:36:56 PM EDT
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His body, his choice. If he wants to die of CO poisoning, let him. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 2:53:16 PM EDT
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Find another job |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:01:56 PM EDT
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Nope. If he wants to die of CO poisoning on his OWN time, that's his business. If he wants to die of CO poisoning while he's supposed to be pulling people out of a burning building, that's the taxpayers' business. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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His body, his choice. If he wants to die of CO poisoning, let him. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:05:40 PM EDT
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Please explain what part of being a born again Christian mandates a beard? I must have missed that in the Bible.
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:11:51 PM EDT
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He doesn't even go to fires. He's a full-time mask maintenance dude. He says the only time he goes to a fire scene is to fill bottles.
Lol. It helps to read the article I guess. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:15:15 PM EDT
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My college roommate was a fireman and had a beard after college.
He got chlorine gas into his air mask during a pulpmill accident. It took several days to kill him, I understand it's a terrible way to go. They changed the rules after. 
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:16:57 PM EDT
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If you were in a cloud of potassium cyanide, would you rather or rather not have a beard between you and the mask seal? 
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:18:26 PM EDT
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His body, his choice. If he wants to die of CO poisoning, let him. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:21:36 PM EDT
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His body, his choice. If he wants to die of CO poisoning, let him. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:22:39 PM EDT
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Quick question: Do Sikhs get to have beards and turbans working for that same department? Do Muslims? Somehow I think this would be okay for certain exalted demographics. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:22:41 PM EDT
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Please explain what part of being a born again Christian mandates a beard? I must have missed that in the Bible. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:25:20 PM EDT
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He doesn't even go to fires. He's a full-time mask maintenance dude. He says the only time he goes to a fire scene is to fill bottles. Lol. It helps to read the article I guess. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:29:39 PM EDT
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My college roommate was a fireman and had a beard after college. He got chlorine gas into his air mask during a pulpmill accident. It took several days to kill him, I understand it's a terrible way to go. They changed the rules after. Great was the weeping and gnashing of teeth, the policy stayed in place about twenty years. It was changed after I left, that each plant and crew, had to have minimum of two clean shaved personnel at all times. Razors were on hand for all, with the understanding that anyone may have to shave if extra hands were needed, no exceptions. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:30:21 PM EDT
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Let the dumb fuck grow it and the next time he goes into a smoke filled building he will die because his acba won’t be air tight. Problem solves itself |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:35:05 PM EDT
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He doesn't even go to fires. He's a full-time mask maintenance dude. He says the only time he goes to a fire scene is to fill bottles. Lol. It helps to read the article I guess. His official job title is a firefighter, which requires him to be clean shaven. And just because his current assignment is as the mask dude, doesn't mean that's his job within the department for as long as he want's it. He can be reassigned at any time and he was no right to complain about it. If he still doesn't like it, then fine, create a special non-firefighter civilian position that doesn't require the duties of a firefighter at a much lower pay scale. See how he likes that. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:41:30 PM EDT
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His body, his choice. If he wants to die of CO poisoning, let him. Firefighting is a team sport. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:45:12 PM EDT
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But it doesnt. People pass all the time . Ambulance company pulled the same where I worked. If it was abiut keeping you safe you would wear a motorcycle helmet in the rig Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In before the facial hair does not effect mask seal crowd. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:45:32 PM EDT
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A hazmat suit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was a simple question. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:46:12 PM EDT
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His body, his choice. If he wants to die of CO poisoning, let him. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:48:03 PM EDT
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If you were in a cloud of KCN you'd probably have prison officials around you... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you were in a cloud of potassium cyanide, would you rather or rather not have a beard between you and the mask seal? 
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:49:57 PM EDT
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He doesn't even go to fires. He's a full-time mask maintenance dude. He says the only time he goes to a fire scene is to fill bottles. Lol. It helps to read the article I guess. The department should either change the job description of the air resource tech or start requiring him to rotate to a seat on a fire rig. I would be doing that just for proficiency if he still held the role of FF. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:50:50 PM EDT
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But it doesnt. People pass all the time . Ambulance company pulled the same where I worked. If it was abiut keeping you safe you would wear a motorcycle helmet in the rig Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In before the facial hair does not effect mask seal crowd. |
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