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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:23:18 AM EDT
Most of you have heard of them. Not bashing them, just saying something doesn't sound right. 1200yrds with a 14.5" barrel? Yes you read correctly..
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:28:19 AM EDT
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Most of you have heard of them. Not bashing them, just saying something doesn't sound right. 1200yrds with a 14.5" barrel? Yes you read correctly..  http://youtu.be/OlUhZVEQrSAI don't understand how they're doing it unless they are aiming 2 feet above the target in order to compensate for drop. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:29:01 AM EDT
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eta. (People don't read so I'll fix this)
That bullet is subsonic 300+ yards before hitting the target. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:34:09 AM EDT
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No scope adjustments between ranges and plenty of editing. I imagine there's quite a bit of round lobbing off camera.
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:37:24 AM EDT
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I don't understand how they're doing it unless they are aiming 2 feet above the target in order to compensate for drop. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of you have heard of them. Not bashing them, just saying something doesn't sound right. 1200yrds with a 14.5" barrel? Yes you read correctly.. http://youtu.be/OlUhZVEQrSAI don't understand how they're doing it unless they are aiming 2 feet above the target in order to compensate for drop. More than that. If I'm not mistaken, you're talking 350 inches drop out of a 16" barrel at 1000yrds. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:39:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand how they're doing it unless they are aiming 2 feet above the target in order to compensate for drop. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most of you have heard of them. Not bashing them, just saying something doesn't sound right. 1200yrds with a 14.5" barrel? Yes you read correctly.. http://youtu.be/OlUhZVEQrSAI don't understand how they're doing it unless they are aiming 2 feet above the target in order to compensate for drop. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:40:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Phantom gunfire at 1:40.  That bullet is subsonic 300+ yards before hitting the target. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:40:52 AM EDT
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AXTS Raptor charging handles are good to go... I guess thats about all I have to add to this thread.
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:40:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No scope adjustments between ranges and plenty of editing. I imagine there's quite a bit of round lobbing off camera. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:41:54 AM EDT
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Uhhh, how is that new?
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:42:43 AM EDT
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5.56 mortar fire!
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:44:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't need to be with a good scope and a Horus reticule. But yeah, I'd imagine there's lots of editing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No scope adjustments between ranges and plenty of editing. I imagine there's quite a bit of round lobbing off camera. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:45:29 AM EDT
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They talk right before that about how there are two shooters, one with a 14.5, and one with a 10.5. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Phantom gunfire at 1:40.
That bullet is subsonic 300+ yards before hitting the target. That's what I get for skipping ahead. 
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:47:44 AM EDT
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According to my ballistics app. 2750 fps with a 62 grain 855 sighted at 250 yards is 1300 inches low at 1300 yards and going 730 fps. I don't currently have a 14.5 so I guessed at velocity.
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:51:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please explain this reticule to me. I see it posted about a lot lately. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No scope adjustments between ranges and plenty of editing. I imagine there's quite a bit of round lobbing off camera. It's a giant grid that you use their ballistic calculator to figure out your hold over without adjusting the scope. It's quite an old design now, and a lot of guys have similar ideas out.  |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:52:24 AM EDT
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Also keep in mind that they are in a mountainous environment, so I suspect the air is a lot thinner and barometric pressure is low.
With my 16" 6.5 Grendel, hitting targets at extreme long range is much easier than I ever thought it would be. I've shot it with predictable impacts at 1200-1500yds with factory 123gr A-MAX, and the bullets never got the memo they couldn't stay stable out to those ranges. Rate of twist helps keep the spin stability factor optimal through the transonic range where looser twists will usually not spin the bullet enough, and the trajectory no longer is predictable through supersonic speed and lower, even with a .338 LM. I don't know how they are hearing the impacts at those distances, because I personally have a really hard time hearing 77gr impact even at 450yds out of 16" and 18" AR15's with .223 Rem/5.56 NATO. In no wind calm, I can hear impact at 600yds, but we rarely have those conditions in the mountains. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:52:41 AM EDT
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According to my ballistics app. 2750 fps with a 62 grain 855 sighted at 250 yards is 1300 inches low at 1300 yards and going 730 fps. I don't currently have a 14.5 so I guessed at velocity. Still 800yrds is not an easy shot. With a 20" barrel... I find 1200 to be a stretch. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:53:07 AM EDT
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That's nothin.
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:53:17 AM EDT
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We took a 14.5" MI-T556 & a 10.5" MI-T556s out in the wind to stretch the limits and ping some steel. Never mind the ballistics. As a 1000 yard shooter, with a wind like that I'll venture ANY extended range hits are more luck than skill. It curls, it floats, it drops, no way at 800 yards+ and gusting wind is there any way to compensate, and that's with a 300 wm 170 grn. Much less the heaviest bullet a .223/5.56 could throw. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:56:00 AM EDT
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Also keep in mind that they are in a mountainous environment, so I suspect the air is a lot thinner and barometric pressure is low. With my 16" 6.5 Grendel, hitting targets at extreme long range is much easier than I ever thought it would be. I've shot it with predictable impacts at 1200-1500yds with factory 123gr A-MAX, and the bullets never got the memo they couldn't stay stable out to those ranges. Rate of twist helps keep the spin stability factor optimal through the transonic range where looser twists will usually not spin the bullet enough, and the trajectory no longer is predictable through supersonic speed and lower, even with a .338 LM. I don't know how they are hearing the impacts at those distances, because I personally have a really hard time hearing 77gr impact even at 450yds out of 16" and 18" AR15's with .223 Rem/5.56 NATO. In no wind calm, I can hear impact at 600yds, but we rarely have those conditions in the mountains. 6.5 has a better bc than 556 and is still supersonic at 900yrds.. You're talking apples vs oranges. That aside 15mph wind and 1200yrds?
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:57:05 AM EDT
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Never mind the ballistics. As a 1000 yard shooter, with a wind like that I'll venture ANY extended range hits are more luck than skill. It curls, it floats, it drops, no way at 800 yards+ and gusting wind is there any way to compensate, and that's with a 300 wm 170 grn. Much less the heaviest bullet a .223/5.56 could throw. Quote HistoryQuoted:
We took a 14.5" MI-T556 & a 10.5" MI-T556s out in the wind to stretch the limits and ping some steel. Never mind the ballistics. As a 1000 yard shooter, with a wind like that I'll venture ANY extended range hits are more luck than skill. It curls, it floats, it drops, no way at 800 yards+ and gusting wind is there any way to compensate, and that's with a 300 wm 170 grn. Much less the heaviest bullet a .223/5.56 could throw. Thank you. Someone with some logic. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 12:57:54 AM EDT
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According to my ballistics app. 2750 fps with a 62 grain 855 sighted at 250 yards is 1300 inches low at 1300 yards and going 730 fps. I don't currently have a 14.5 so I guessed at velocity. Wouldn't it be easier and more economical at this point to stand 2 feet away from the target and just throw the round at it? |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:01:30 AM EDT
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Question is, is it possible? I know it's not impossible. But highly improbable.
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:02:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a giant grid that you use their ballistic calculator to figure out your hold over without adjusting the scope. It's quite an old design now, and a lot of guys have similar ideas out. http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo65/mx556/H25_Huge-600x600.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No scope adjustments between ranges and plenty of editing. I imagine there's quite a bit of round lobbing off camera. It's a giant grid that you use their ballistic calculator to figure out your hold over without adjusting the scope. It's quite an old design now, and a lot of guys have similar ideas out. http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo65/mx556/H25_Huge-600x600.jpg |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:03:10 AM EDT
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And let's take a close look at the scope they're using, looks more like a CQB set up with the video I'm seeing.
Anyone familiar with Leupold scopes want to tell me what power it is? Really, anything less than 10 power for center mass hits (consistent) at 800 yds+ is pretty darn dificult. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:04:27 AM EDT
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And let's take a close look at the scope they're using, looks more like a CQB set up with the video I'm seeing. Anyone familiar with Leupold scopes want to tell me what power it is? Really, anything less than 10 power for center mass hits (consistent) at 800 yds+ is pretty darn dificult. Mark 8 1-8 at least that's what it looks like to me. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:04:59 AM EDT
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And let's take a close look at the scope they're using, looks more like a CQB set up with the video I'm seeing. Anyone familiar with Leupold scopes want to tell me what power it is? Really, anything less than 10 power for center mass hits (consistent) at 800 yds+ is pretty darn dificult. Mark 8 1.1-8 
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:05:25 AM EDT
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Mark 8 1-8 at least that's what it looks like to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And let's take a close look at the scope they're using, looks more like a CQB set up with the video I'm seeing. Anyone familiar with Leupold scopes want to tell me what power it is? Really, anything less than 10 power for center mass hits (consistent) at 800 yds+ is pretty darn dificult. Mark 8 1-8 at least that's what it looks like to me. Ha. Beat. 
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:06:50 AM EDT
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30+ FEET of hold over required. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:08:09 AM EDT
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It still bugs me to see the side-thumb grip on an AR. Might be good for a straight pull, but a semi...
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:16:08 AM EDT
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It smells fishy
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:19:57 AM EDT
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It smells fishy Naw can't you hear the guy off camera saying "hit", it has to be real.
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:30:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:32:18 AM EDT
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Snort
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:38:54 AM EDT
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I'll stick with my Intact Arms rifle, thank you very much.
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:42:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll stick with my Intact Arms rifle, thank you very much. Pass... pass... pass... |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 1:49:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryHolee shit! I rost. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 2:18:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2015 2:58:44 AM EDT
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I don't buy it. Something's fucky.
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Posted: 5/20/2015 3:51:33 AM EDT
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I'm sorry, but it is free float.
This is a completely plausible display of accuracy. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 8:35:08 AM EDT
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I'm sorry, but it is free float. This is a completely plausible display of accuracy. 
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Posted: 5/20/2015 8:42:37 AM EDT
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aim at the tree tops
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:03:25 AM EDT
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It's not impossible, I watched Pete Gould from Accuracy 1st make similar shots with a 14.5 308. He also had a 1:7 or 1:8 twist rate on that gun. Those (Todd and Pete from Accuracey 1st) guys are doing some really incredible stuff that challenge the established veiws in long distance shooting.
Just because a bullet goes subsonic doesn't mean it loses all of its accuracy, bullet design, twist rate and the shooters knowledge of how the bullet flies in the transonic and subsonic zones matter. Really amazing stuff |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 10:56:57 AM EDT
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It's not impossible, I watched Pete Gould from Accuracy 1st make similar shots with a 14.5 308. He also had a 1:7 or 1:8 twist rate on that gun. Those (Todd and Pete from Accuracey 1st) guys are doing some really incredible stuff that challenge the established veiws in long distance shooting. Just because a bullet goes subsonic doesn't mean it loses all of its accuracy, bullet design, twist rate and the shooters knowledge of how the bullet flies in the transonic and subsonic zones matter. Really amazing stuff The 1300 inches of drop at 1300 yards is the elephant in the room. Aiming a 108 ft above the target is going to be a little difficult. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 11:01:43 AM EDT
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I don't understand how they're doing it unless they are aiming 2 feet above the target in order to compensate for drop. 2 feet?
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Posted: 5/20/2015 11:02:06 AM EDT
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Please explain this reticule to me. I see it posted about a lot lately. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No scope adjustments between ranges and plenty of editing. I imagine there's quite a bit of round lobbing off camera. They're too busy for my liking. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 11:07:29 AM EDT
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The 1300 inches of drop at 1300 yards is the elephant in the room. Aiming a 108 ft above the target is going to be a little difficult. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not impossible, I watched Pete Gould from Accuracy 1st make similar shots with a 14.5 308. He also had a 1:7 or 1:8 twist rate on that gun. Those (Todd and Pete from Accuracey 1st) guys are doing some really incredible stuff that challenge the established veiws in long distance shooting. Just because a bullet goes subsonic doesn't mean it loses all of its accuracy, bullet design, twist rate and the shooters knowledge of how the bullet flies in the transonic and subsonic zones matter. Really amazing stuff The 1300 inches of drop at 1300 yards is the elephant in the room. Aiming a 108 ft above the target is going to be a little difficult. 
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Posted: 5/20/2015 11:12:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're too busy for my liking. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No scope adjustments between ranges and plenty of editing. I imagine there's quite a bit of round lobbing off camera. They're too busy for my liking. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 11:13:13 AM EDT
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I have made hits on a big steel target at 1000yds with my AR but it was not windy at all and I hit it about half of the time. The target was 4' x 4' and I had a 4x scope.
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Posted: 5/20/2015 11:15:03 AM EDT
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It's not impossible, I watched Pete Gould from Accuracy 1st make similar shots with a 14.5 308. He also had a 1:7 or 1:8 twist rate on that gun. Those (Todd and Pete from Accuracey 1st) guys are doing some really incredible stuff that challenge the established veiws in long distance shooting. Just because a bullet goes subsonic doesn't mean it loses all of its accuracy, bullet design, twist rate and the shooters knowledge of how the bullet flies in the transonic and subsonic zones matter. Really amazing stuff The 1300 inches of drop at 1300 yards is the elephant in the room. Aiming a 108 ft above the target is going to be a little difficult. http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq221/boomslangX64/BeowulfX_Deluxe_Closeup-1280x720_zps78998a8c.jpg Using a height over bore of 4.5 inches dropped the holdover to a measley 1266 inches. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 11:24:20 AM EDT
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The absolute furthest I've ever hit anything with a 5.56 AR is a tad over 600. In 10mph winds. That was not easy at all. Also with 77gr.
Fucking 1200?? I dont know man. |
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