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We retired this way too early.

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Thanks Obama.

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"California is safe from my long hard missile! (But not Obama!)"
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I'm thinking holy shit at what a missed opportunity for him to mysteriously disappear.

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Yes.

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Is Ann Margaret coming?

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Right now Kim has no oil coming into his country, he has no exports going out (that bring in cold cash, that help fund his missiles and lifestyle). Perfected their craft? This isn't art, its science. He's tossing missiles now just to make political points, not for testing value. And even if he ramped up production and created a working ICBM that could carry the warhead, he still needs to make numerous warheads and numerous missiles in a redundant fashion and sprinkle them in highly defended areas all over NK before it becomes a real nuclear deterrent. In the mean time, no oil, no exports, currency is skyrocketing from hyperinflation, their economy will crack, they're already in the start of another famine and now they just lost the oil they need to run farming vehicles, their industry is going to grind to a halt because nobody is going to have any fuel.

If you can't see this as bad because in your mind bad only means violence, that's just your poor education. There are ways to destroy a country without a single bullet or missile being fired at it. Those measures are currently being used against NK. Because Trump did what no previous had the balls to do, blackmail China with threat of tariffs if they didn't play ball.



How do you know his brother wasn't already instigating a coup? Kim did what a million and one other monarchs did, he secured his crown by removing a potential rival. Murdering his brother was possibly the sanest and most rational thing he could have done, had he not done it, his ass would already have been murdered and replaced, especially since the brother in question was the original heir apparent to Kim Jung Il. But you knew that right? You knew the history of the succession of the Kim dynasty, how Kim Jung Un came to power, and the role his brothers played, right? Of course you didn't.

Executed large swathes of people? Who? I know exactly who he executed. They were ministers and their immediate supporters who pissed off the OGD faction who fought against them through court intrigue, triumphed, and then had their rival ministers executed when they told their puppet to kill his own uncle. Did you know the primary faction culled was the one who were friendly to China? No, because you know fuck all about NK history.

Removing "traitorous" ministers is SOP for those sorts of govt, you don't just get rid of one person, you get rid of their entourages too, destroy their families, kill anyone who possibly might seek revenge. Or else you're asking for trouble. That's how monarchies have played it since history has been record, that's how it works in NK, which is more a brutal monarchy than a communist dystopia.



Not Korean, just crazy smart. Smart enough to know when someone is acting a role and when they aren't. Smart enough to know the politics of what is happening behind the current and what isnt'. I bet you also think reality tv is real and WWE is real.

Kim's act is artificial, its acting. He dresses and looks near identical to Kim Il Sung and this is an act. He blusters and says crazy shit, because that is an act. He threatens because that is an act. Its all acting. Better yet, its puppetry, being down by the hardliner faction of the OGD (not that you have a clue what that is). The point is that you fell for it all because "a sucker is born every day." And that's why Kim did it, because he can act crazy enough to trick people into thinking he is something more than he really is.

What Kim Jung Un really is, he's the modern Pharaoh. The modern Byzantine Emperor. The modern Chinese emperor. He's a godhead, with untold power, constrained by court politics, succeeded purely by blood, supported by ministers who tell him what to say, do, feel. In reward for doing what the ministers tell him (who actually run the country), Kim gets booze, pussy, great living conditions, devotions and worship of the population. His ministers bow and scrape to him even though they still have power over him. Go watch the movie The Last Emperor, that might unfuck you.

Unless of course you believe the third son of Kim Jung Il, completely untried, who had a whopping two years of preparation to becoming head of state, is some sort of political prodigy even though his upbringing and preparation did not include ANYTHING to prep him for holding any office, let alone the highest. Mind you, in comparison, his father Kim Jung Il served as Kim Il Sung's right hand man for fucking DECADES before finally assuming the throne at the ripe age of 56 years old. And how old was the pudgy inexperienced naive Kim Jung Un when he took over? 26 years old. And by that point he couldn't exactly follow dad around to learn from him, since dad was bedridden for years before he died. So where did he learn? He didn't. He just does what the OGD tell him to do, say what they tell him to say. Hell, the nuclear script he's following right now was written by his father, who CREATED THE OGD JUST FOR THIS PURPOSE. Secure the succession, get nukes to permanently protect the People's Democratic Republic of North Korea.

The one thing they didn't count on was Donald Trump tossing a stick into their spokes.

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Reality is you KNOW nothing about his motives, you're putting a spin on it based off your view.  The facts we know are their missile tech has been good enough for delivery for years and only lacking the experience you only get from doing your own launches and extrapolating data.  Right now he's getting free launch and nuke testing with no repercussions. I don't see his behavior improving once he's fully nuclear.   He hasn't shown restraint in his dealings despite your adoring opinion is of him.   This isn't Kabuki theatre where everyone goes back home when its over and pretends nothing happened.  Perhaps you're a fan of the Iran deal as well?  Less countries with nuke is more better.  Allowing nutjobs to extort food, etc and still allowing them to keep progressing their nuke program? Thanks but no thanks.

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Boy, am I glad I didn't piss gasoline on that fire

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I thought you pissed nitromethane?

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Do you have something intelligent to add to the discussion?  Either rebutt my points like an adult or keep your worthless trash post to yourself.

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Reality is you KNOW nothing about his motives, you're putting a spin on it based off your view.  The facts we know are their missile tech has been good enough for delivery for years and only lacking the experience you only get from doing your own launches and extrapolating data.  Right now he's getting free launch and nuke testing with no repercussions. I don't see his behavior improving once he's fully nuclear.   He hasn't shown restraint in his dealings despite your adoring opinion is of him.   This isn't Kabuki theatre where everyone goes back home when its over and pretends nothing happened.  Perhaps you're a fan of the Iran deal as well?  Less countries with nuke is more better.  Allowing nutjobs to extort food, etc and still allowing them to keep progressing their nuke program? Thanks but no thanks.

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While I won't argue with most of Steinhab's conclusions on the macro, I doubt his assertion that the latest sanctions will cripple the Norks at least in the short to medium turn as I fully expect that the Iranians will keep the Norks afloat to use them for any technological and/or mass production capabilities that , should they undertake themselves, would bring the wrath of Trump immediately down on them.

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So.  Our endgame (obviously) includes removal of the nuclear threat.
What about the OGD?  Do they have to go also?

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Interesting, thanks.

Is it safe to assume that Russia is doing all it can to keep this going?
All things considered, it's what I'd do were the roles reversed

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Neither China or Russia will kowtow to the US. They haven't in the past, they wont in the future. Their people don't like us, they don't like us, they both have many reasons to not like us, and we them. Even if Trump makes a deal with Xi and the PRC or with Putin and Russia, both are inclined and encouraged to continue fucking with us. They will throw sticks in our spokes every chance they can get. But that's just geopolitics, the more they fuck with us the weaker the US looks and that is a win for them.

Imagine if you are doing business with someone you hate but you already decided you are going to make a deal because it just makes fiscal sense. That wont stop you from fucking with them as much as possible along the way enjoying them squirming, making them look weaker, impotent, getting them to rage out unnecessarily, make concessions they would never normally make.

But who holds the real cards? Who is more powerful? The US or Russian or China? Regardless of how weak the US has become since Obama assumed office, we still hold MASSIVE leverage over other nations so in the end if we really want something to happen and are willing to go the distance we can achieve it. That's what power really is, making other people do things they don't want but you do.

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We're going to see what happens with Iran because as soon as Trump is done with NK he's going to move on them next. He only did NK first because NK was on the verge of ICBM tech, so they were the priority. Mattis has a giant hard on for Iran too, he's the mastermind behind what is happening, I trust him, Trump trusts him.

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The problem is, there are more Trump advisors that want to leave the Iran Deal intact than those who want to bust it up.  He's going to have to go it alone unfortunately.  I'm sure Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell will be on the status quo side.

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I am a huge Trump supporter, but he got punked out on this one. Pretty embarrassing.

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I am a huge Trump supporter, but he got punked out on this one. Pretty embarrassing.

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South Korea holds live-fire drills that simulate destroying North Korea's leadership

*Disregard that its CNN, I just posted the first one I could find, they all are copying and pasting the same SK govt press release info.

Now a lot of you are going to read this and think, "That's it? That's all they do, just drop some bombs on established bombing range within their own country? Pussies!"

But this is just part of negotiations. South Korea is hinting of a military strike to take out Kim himself (if they can somehow PID his location and penetration ADA). But this is just a reply. They are calling Kim's bet. Next the US will say something damning about the stakes, something like "We will not stand for further threats" or something similar.

Now after this, Kim has to escalate, he needs to raise it again or else he has to fold. So he'll likely do something similar, launch another missile, author some state media press release calling for nuclear war and raining death on the USA. But eventually it'll come down to one last bet. We'll basically dare NK to actually attack anyone else while telling them we will use nukes if they do. And again, Kim back down. And thus will end round 2 of saber rattling. And his position will get weaker as his ministers realize that their great plan is going to cause the destruction of their country.

All of this of course hedges that China continues to play ball. If they bail out, then we have no diplomatic option. But if Trump was credible enough with Xi threatening trade tariffs should they not play ball, then I think Xi will go along with it because NK with nukes or without nukes really doesn't interfere with his 5-20 year plan.

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I susect this is the reference 

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen …"

it it was just tough talk

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I don't see this. Trump went on international TV saying 'Do this again and we will kill you.'

Kim said fuck you and did it anyway. And now we are left looking like prison bitches that got punked out by the fat kid.

Moral of the story: don't talk shit you won't back up.

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I susect this is the reference 

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen …"

it it was just tough talk

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Yeah, taken out of context that does look bad. But that's like you and me bowing up at a bar tonight and me saying I'll kick your ass if you say another word. You then remain silent for three weeks before you finally talk to someone. Does that mean I'm still supposed to kick your ass?

Its just talk. Its just diplomacy. Trump was referencing that round of saber rattling which ended when Kim Jung Un backed down (because we called him on his bluff). We'll do it again now.

Nobody should think a tweet is going to stop any of this, or the threat of military force is going to stop NK from proceeding with establishing a nuclear deterrent. That's not how this works. Trump obviously lacks the political capital to start a war simply to remove NK's nuclear program. But, he can used diplomatic means to do that. Kim's response is to proceed as best as he can to continue developing nukes while suffering the consequences of the economic sanctions/embargoes placed against him. So he saber rattles.

Best way to imagine this would be "What if Obama was in charge?" After the second missile launch he would have backed the fuck off and said to himself, "North Korea isn't worth the hit I'll take for starting a war, let alone one with nuclear missiles. Instead I'll just bow out, step away, and kick the can for my predecessor to deal with.

Is Trump doing that? Fuck no. He's dealing with it, especially hard since now the military option is basically as limited as it has ever been, courtesy of the Democratic Party of the US.

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No, Trump went on television for the LAST round of saber rattling and said if you do anything offensively, we will kill you. Kim didn't say fuck you, Kim backed the fuck off and its the reason he waited three weeks before stepping up again. Now he is stepping up round 2, a completely separate pissing contest. And then we escalate, then he does, then we finally toss down an ultimatum, "Well, launch then, see what happens..." He doesn't though, because at that point and time if he risks it he causes war. So he waits till tempers lower, for the heat to drop, before he starts shit again.

You like prison bitch metaphors. I'm the toughest guy in the yard and you step to me. After much words I finally give you the last ultimatum to throw down. I got a shiv in my hand and a giant vein in my forehead is throbbing as I trace the shiv's blade against your tender soft carotid. So you back off, because you're actually too scared to throw down even though you talk mad shit. If you come back three weeks later, after my shiv is hidden again, when my forehead vein is no longer engorged, and then you step to again, I'm not the one who looks like the bitch.



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Now you are being silly. We aren't talking about a one-off drunken comment in a bar, we are talking about what EVERYONE assumed was a serious and final ultimatum. It wasn't a 'shut up bro', it was 'if you touch my kid again I will kill you.' Except the fat kid laughed and grabbed anyway, and we are left sputtering about how they better not do it again, because this time we really mean it.

I like Trump, but the fat kid made him (and all of us who support him) his bitch. The secret to bluff8ng is to never bluff. Don't talk shit you are not prepared to follow through on.

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Kim vows more rocket tests. A statement said there would be 'more ballistic rocket launching drills with the Pacific as a target in the future.'

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Hwasong-12 Info

The Hwasong-12  rocket that was launched over Japan.

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North Korea has released pictures of Kim-Jong-un overseeing the latest missile test that saw a rocket fly directly over Japan.

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You might have a point, except NK didn't even wait a week before carrying on as always.

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What if it was a failed nuke launch?

what if a rouge element within NK fired to try start a war?

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There are new sat pics that show new activity at an underground nuke test site. Looks like LIL KIM is getting ready for another underground test. They have a big anniversary coming up so they are probably going to time it for that.