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Posted: 5/13/2018 10:50:30 PM EDT
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If they pulled this off, it'd probably be one of the greatest foreign policy achievements in history. Obligatory fuck Donald Trump. That said, credit will be given where it's due if successful. Kim could actually turn his legacy around and be regarded as the great leader that opened North Korea to the world. He might be smart enough to see that's probably better long term than continuing the current course. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 10:51:51 PM EDT
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I’d imagine at some point once the NK people get some tech and knowledge they will overthrown Rocketman but hey, fuck it. Again: These people are literally starving to death. If they start getting food and electricity it will be like a literal miracle to them. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 10:52:49 PM EDT
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whats going to stop North Korea from nationalizing foreign companies operating in North Korea? North Korea is in a position of essentially begging for help. They won't be nationalizing anything anytime soon. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 10:55:40 PM EDT
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if their is one thing we are good at it is turning our former enemies into friends, oddly
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Posted: 5/13/2018 10:55:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not obvious to me. Who pays? |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 10:58:00 PM EDT
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I'm picturing a scenario in which NK is the 51st state... And its kind of amusing. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:01:32 PM EDT
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the NORK citizens will be overwhelmed I'm guessing a NORK would make 5000 rubber chickens for a can of soup. 
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:04:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:04:50 PM EDT
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Um, why the fuck would they want American investors to modernize NK? Their founding ideology runs completely contrary to the very idea of modernization through foreign capital investment.
Juche Ideology
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is guided in its activities by the Juche idea authored by President Kim Il Sung. The Juche idea means, in a nutshell, that the masters of the revolution and construction are the masses of the people and that they are also the motive force of the revolution and construction. The Juche idea is based on the philosophical principle that man is the master of everything and decides everything. It is the man-centred world outlook and also a political philosophy to materialize the independence of the popular masses, namely, a philosophy which elucidates the theoretical basis of politics that leads the development of society along the right path. The Government of the DPRK steadfastly maintains Juche in all realms of the revolution and construction. Establishing Juche means adopting the attitude of a master towards the revolution and construction of one's country. It means maintaining an independent and creative standpoint in finding solutions to the problems which arise in the revolution and construction. It implies solving those problems mainly by one's own efforts and in conformity with the actual conditions of one's own POLITICS country. The realization of independence in politics, selfsufficiency in the economy and self-reliance in national defence is a principle the Government maintains consistently. The Korean people value the independence of the country and nation and, under the pressure of imperialists and dominationsts, have thoroughly implemented the principle of independence, self-reliance and self-defence, defending the country's sovereignty and dignity firmly. It is an invariable policy of the Government of the Republic, guided by the Juche idea, to treasure the Juche character and national character and maintain and realize them. The Government of the Republic always adheres to the principle of Juche, the principle of national independence, and thus is carrying out the socialist cause of Juche. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:05:52 PM EDT
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Um, why the fuck would they want American investors to modernize NK? Their founding ideology runs completely contrary to the very idea of modernization through foreign capital investment. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:08:19 PM EDT
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Um, why the fuck would they want American investors to modernize NK? Their founding ideology runs completely contrary to the very idea of modernization through foreign capital investment. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:11:37 PM EDT
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Skeptical of this whole thing. Kim surely knows the mantra of every tin pot dictator....Remember Qaddafi.
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:11:50 PM EDT
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Because we won. 
 Bill Clinton on Virtues of North Korean Nuclear Deal - History Repeats Itself |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:14:10 PM EDT
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-deleted- Apparently I didn't read far enough.
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:15:40 PM EDT
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I can see the norks propaganda messageing now..
"we have defeated the United States! As payment for their crimes against our great leader, we will be putting our captured slaves to work building our electrical grid and farming industry. All hail great leader! " |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:18:03 PM EDT
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Their starving population isn't terribly concerned with their founding ideology. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Um, why the fuck would they want American investors to modernize NK? Their founding ideology runs completely contrary to the very idea of modernization through foreign capital investment. Maybe this is my version of wishful thinking but what if you inherited a nation that your family had fucked to the point where a kilo of meat every year is an event to celebrate and you had the chance to bring a stone age culture into the modern world? Of course this could be an elaborate ruse for him to obtain... what, I don't know. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:19:50 PM EDT
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First, they have no money to pay for US companies to modernize their country. Second, they have promised denuclearization 4 or 5 times and every time it was horseshit.
Remind me why I should be excited? |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:22:33 PM EDT
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First, they have no money to pay for US companies to modernize their country. Second, they have promised denuclearization 4 or 5 times and every time it was horseshit. Remind me why I should be excited? |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:22:34 PM EDT
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How many billions of dollars will this cost the US taxpayer?
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:22:40 PM EDT
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First, they have no money to pay for US companies to modernize their country. Second, they have promised denuclearization 4 or 5 times and every time it was horseshit. Remind me why I should be excited? But natural resources don't mean shit in an oppressive command economy. Look at Venezuela. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:27:03 PM EDT
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How many times did the article have to mention that it would be PRIVATE investment not taxpayer money? I guess at least once more huh? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another place to send America jobs, and payed for with American tax dollars. 
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:40:46 PM EDT
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As long the NORKs give up their Nukes & Missiles, which if that happens lil'Rocketman may not be long for this world. Sure, he probably isn't that clued...but he is smart enough to know that there's no point to continuing the status quo. He probably got images and information about what life is like in South Korea, China, USA, etc and thought... "the fuck?" You never know... |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:45:14 PM EDT
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How will the North Korean people react once they know the truth? 
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:50:18 PM EDT
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Does this mean Un will grow an anus?
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:55:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll pay! I'm prepared to invest my own capital to open business in NK. As much business as possible in fact. I would love to throw together a private investment group to further this interest. Keep your tax dollars good sir! Once in a lifetime opportunity. Brand new market that's practically guaranteed rapid exponential growth. Lemme in! |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:58:25 PM EDT
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Oh, kind of like how we gave them nuclear reactors? That worked well. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 11:58:28 PM EDT
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whats going to stop North Korea from nationalizing foreign companies operating in North Korea? Of course that kills the golden goose and plunges them back into crushing poverty and I tend to think of Koreans as smarter than the Mayan trolls in Venezuela. Kim’s looking for an out that saves face and we can give it to him, avoid a costly war and make money in the process. Win, win, win. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 12:10:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I’m game to invest in that. What’s the current exchange rate? Nowhere to go but up! |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 12:23:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .001 kpw to 1 usd Nowhere to go but up! |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 12:26:25 AM EDT
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The Chinese won't like this one bit. Pompeo offered more details on what a path to prosperity for North Korea would look like with direct investment by the US if Kim agrees to Washington's demands. "This will be Americans coming in -- private sector Americans, not the US taxpayer -- private sector Americans coming in to help build out the energy grid," he said. "They need enormous amounts of electricity in North Korea." Pompeo said the US would "work with them to develop infrastructure, all the things that the North Korean people need, the capacity for American agriculture to support North Korea so they can eat meat and have healthy lives. Those are the kind of things that if we get what it is the President has demanded -- complete verifiable irreversible denuclearization of North Korea -- that the American people will offer in spades." https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/13/politics/john-bolton-north-korea-cnntv/index.html right now the ROKs main reason aginst reuniting is taking in a illion uneducated sick, stupid, unskilled norks. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 12:28:50 AM EDT
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Um, why the fuck would they want American investors to modernize NK? Their founding ideology runs completely contrary to the very idea of modernization through foreign capital investment. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 12:31:01 AM EDT
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How many billions of dollars will this cost the US taxpayer? |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 12:31:07 AM EDT
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Things change Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Um, why the fuck would they want American investors to modernize NK? Their founding ideology runs completely contrary to the very idea of modernization through foreign capital investment. 
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Posted: 5/14/2018 12:38:34 AM EDT
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Little Rocket man is Western educated. I wonder if any of that rubbed off on him. I wonder if he really is a true believer. Maybe this is my version of wishful thinking but what if you inherited a nation that your family had fucked to the point where a kilo of meat every year is an event to celebrate and you had the chance to bring a stone age culture into the modern world? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Um, why the fuck would they want American investors to modernize NK? Their founding ideology runs completely contrary to the very idea of modernization through foreign capital investment. Maybe this is my version of wishful thinking but what if you inherited a nation that your family had fucked to the point where a kilo of meat every year is an event to celebrate and you had the chance to bring a stone age culture into the modern world? Blow that fat little fuckers mind.It's like Lil Kim inherited a glue factory or a dogshit reprocessing plant. After being educated in Switzerland. Who would want to to go to work there everyday when you could invite the best people in the world in to turn that same plant into making Sexbots or Teslas or whatever. He could literally pull of the greatest diplomatic coup in the last 50 years and it will work out for everyone. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 12:41:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Investors willing to take a risk. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 12:51:25 AM EDT
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I wonder at what point we start to care about the whole generational slavery, mass murder, international terrorism, narcotic production, and counterfeiting stuff...
This is the absolute epitome of "lay down with dogs, get fleas." Does anyone think NK won't use this as an excuse to steal a bunch of our tech (just like China), infiltrate our nation with spies of their own (just like China), and ultimately nationalize whatever investment we make over there (like has been done many, many times in shithole communist states)? Meanwhile, we won't be able to saber-rattle at them for any reason, because we're now at "peace," so they can continue terrorizing South Korea and conducting large scale criminal acts. At 'peace,' the pro-China/pro-Nork South Korean factions will be emboldened to reject the continued US presence in the region; we won't be "needed" any more. NK won't be profitable for anyone but Un so long as he sits in that chair. I think if NK's government collapsed we could see a veritable golden age as all that untapped social potential is finally freed to pursue profitable activities vs. cheering a fat man, but anything short of that really isn't worth our time. We don't need to bribe the Kims to have influence over the peninsula. I had been wondering what Trump had given away to NK in exchange for their 'unilateral de-nuclearization.' Billions of dollars of cash for an enemy nation on its last legs as part of some "save the world" nuclear deal; where have we seen this story, recently? This is playing out EXACTLY like Clinton, Bush, and Obama. We'll even get to see them demolish some outmoded enrichment facility they're no longer using, I hear. Just like the last time. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 12:55:30 AM EDT
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You prefer war?
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I wonder at what point we start to care about the whole generational slavery, mass murder, international terrorism, narcotic production, and counterfeiting stuff... This is the absolute epitome of "lay down with dogs, get fleas." Does anyone think NK won't use this as an excuse to steal a bunch of our tech (just like China), infiltrate our nation with spies of their own (just like China), and ultimately nationalize whatever investment we make over there (like has been done many, many times in shithole communist states)? Meanwhile, we won't be able to saber-rattle at them for any reason, because we're now at "peace," so they can continue terrorizing South Korea and conducting large scale criminal acts. At 'peace,' the pro-China/pro-Nork South Korean factions will be emboldened to reject the continued US presence in the region; we won't be "needed" any more. NK won't be profitable for anyone but Un so long as he sits in that chair. I think if NK's government collapsed we could see a veritable golden age as all that untapped social potential is finally freed to pursue profitable activities vs. cheering a fat man, but anything short of that really isn't worth our time. We don't need to bribe the Kims to have influence over the peninsula. I had been wondering what Trump had given away to NK in exchange for their 'unilateral de-nuclearization.' Billions of dollars of cash for an enemy nation on its last legs as part of some "save the world" nuclear deal; where have we seen this story, recently? This is playing out EXACTLY like Clinton, Bush, and Obama. We'll even get to see them demolish some outmoded enrichment facility they're no longer using, I hear. Just like the last time. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:03:12 AM EDT
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Little Rocket man is Western educated. I wonder if any of that rubbed off on him. I wonder if he really is a true believer. Maybe this is my version of wishful thinking but what if you inherited a nation that your family had fucked to the point where a kilo of meat every year is an event to celebrate and you had the chance to bring a stone age culture into the modern world? Of course this could be an elaborate ruse for him to obtain... what, I don't know. 1) Threaten USA with ICBMs 2) Receive free power grid & unconditional foreign investment dollars/technology 3) ??? There is no 4), they already profited |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:04:13 AM EDT
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The phrase trust but verify comes to mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First, they have no money to pay for US companies to modernize their country. Second, they have promised denuclearization 4 or 5 times and every time it was horseshit. Remind me why I should be excited? |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:09:25 AM EDT
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You prefer war? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder at what point we start to care about the whole generational slavery, mass murder, international terrorism, narcotic production, and counterfeiting stuff... This is the absolute epitome of "lay down with dogs, get fleas." Does anyone think NK won't use this as an excuse to steal a bunch of our tech (just like China), infiltrate our nation with spies of their own (just like China), and ultimately nationalize whatever investment we make over there (like has been done many, many times in shithole communist states)? Meanwhile, we won't be able to saber-rattle at them for any reason, because we're now at "peace," so they can continue terrorizing South Korea and conducting large scale criminal acts. At 'peace,' the pro-China/pro-Nork South Korean factions will be emboldened to reject the continued US presence in the region; we won't be "needed" any more. NK won't be profitable for anyone but Un so long as he sits in that chair. I think if NK's government collapsed we could see a veritable golden age as all that untapped social potential is finally freed to pursue profitable activities vs. cheering a fat man, but anything short of that really isn't worth our time. We don't need to bribe the Kims to have influence over the peninsula. I had been wondering what Trump had given away to NK in exchange for their 'unilateral de-nuclearization.' Billions of dollars of cash for an enemy nation on its last legs as part of some "save the world" nuclear deal; where have we seen this story, recently? This is playing out EXACTLY like Clinton, Bush, and Obama. We'll even get to see them demolish some outmoded enrichment facility they're no longer using, I hear. Just like the last time. They're more likely to go to war with China when Un's government collapses, anyway. I don't see how propping it up helps us in any way. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:09:54 AM EDT
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Is Hans Blix even still alive? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First, they have no money to pay for US companies to modernize their country. Second, they have promised denuclearization 4 or 5 times and every time it was horseshit. Remind me why I should be excited? The world was plunged into WWII because the European powers were tired of war and did everything they could to forestall the inevitable. They traded nations and people's lives that were not theirs to trade for "peace in their time." I wonder if we are so war weary, as a nation, that we are making a similar mistake here. I don't know. The fat boy could be playing us. At which time we either wind up back where we started or at war. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:14:19 AM EDT
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The US is being played.
They will take everything we offer, then walk away from the deal. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:15:20 AM EDT
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For the sake of the people who are unfortunate enough to live in NK I hope something good can happen for them. Make the arguments of “they should take care of themselves” but damn those folks need a break.
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9157524480/hB609A991/ |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:34:47 AM EDT
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In due time, the NK infrastructure can't handle an explosion of business. This will be like Sim City, you have to get power, water, cattle, feed, etc. up and running to sustain it. Jobs and currency are an issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the sake of the people who are unfortunate enough to live in NK I hope something good can happen for them. Make the arguments of "they should take care of themselves" but damn those folks need a break.
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9157524480/hB609A991/ |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:38:29 AM EDT
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Trump will score a huge win if this happens. Talk about The Big Win! |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:44:33 AM EDT
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... Why? it's a rusted bucket of bolts Here we have what is likely to be the biggest win/win deal in history and half of GD snivels, "We want the Pueblo back." Let them worry about it. You probably can't even tow it back to the States it's so rusty. Let the Norks use it to make razor blades with. |
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:54:39 AM EDT
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Trump is a genius. He took the Bush plan and cut out the middle part - where we spend trillions on war - and went straight to the "rebuild them afterwards" part. Genius.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 1:58:42 AM EDT
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The Chinese wanted NK as a buffer from western influence and refused to help us, now they get this.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 2:04:00 AM EDT
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I don't trust this little shit eater any further than I can throw his ass. This is all a trick. I bet they never had anything deliverable. Fuck them, starve them out. No deal at all as long as little kim is in charge.
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Posted: 5/14/2018 2:15:43 AM EDT
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Point taken. The world was plunged into WWII because the European powers were tired of war and did everything they could to forestall the inevitable. They traded nations and people's lives that were not theirs to trade for "peace in their time." I wonder if we are so war weary, as a nation, that we are making a similar mistake here. I don't know. The fat boy could be playing us. At which time we either wind up back where we started or at war. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First, they have no money to pay for US companies to modernize their country. Second, they have promised denuclearization 4 or 5 times and every time it was horseshit. Remind me why I should be excited? The world was plunged into WWII because the European powers were tired of war and did everything they could to forestall the inevitable. They traded nations and people's lives that were not theirs to trade for "peace in their time." I wonder if we are so war weary, as a nation, that we are making a similar mistake here. I don't know. The fat boy could be playing us. At which time we either wind up back where we started or at war. I keep seeing all of this defeatist shit based on simplistic notions and lack of particulars by people assuming arbitrarily that there isn't going to be any sort of oversight or cutouts. The days of those guys are, temporarily at least, over. |
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