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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:06:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What could I get for a used 2080ti right now? I'm not a miner, I game. Card kept the factory clocks the entire time. Where would be a good place to list it? This is enforced through the online payment processor (they are the one's who report it to the IRS). You can read about it here for example: https://help.venmo.com/hc/en-us/articles/4407389460499 |
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:33:48 PM EDT
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I went from a 670 x2 SLI to a 1660 and now a 3080ti all within two months
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Posted: 1/4/2022 8:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The queue closed months ago and no new entries are allowed. I have been waiting on my card for about 6 months now, based on how the queue is moving, there is a reasonable chance that my turn will never come before the next generation rolls around. I've been in the queue so long the original 3070 I signed up for has been updated to a new SKU. 3070 FTW3, if I remember right. Must be about a year now.....  Fortunately I got lucky and got a 3060 at MSRP. Will run it until I get the 3070, if ever. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 12:42:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just a heads up in case you don't watch stuff like this super close. As of the 3 days ago, any income for a good or service over $599 into your paypal or venmo or whatever online payment account, in a calendar year, will become taxable income unless you can prove that the income was a loss. This is enforced through the online payment processor (they are the one's who report it to the IRS). You can read about it here for example: https://help.venmo.com/hc/en-us/articles/4407389460499 
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Posted: 1/5/2022 10:58:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sign up for EVGA's queue system I was able to get a 3080ti FTW Ultra for retail prices after waiting about 6 weeks 
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:03:40 AM EDT
[#6]
Meh, wake me up when GPUs are readily available and not at stupid prices.
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:05:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, wake me up when GPUs are readily available and not at stupid prices. See you in a few years... |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:09:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, wake me up when GPUs are readily available and not at stupid prices. ....here we are over a year later, nothing has changed, at all. I am fairly sure that "get lucky or pay double", is the new normal. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:09:13 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: See you in a few years... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh, wake me up when GPUs are readily available and not at stupid prices. See you in a few years... 
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:12:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The EVGA queue system is closed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sign up for EVGA's queue system I was able to get a 3080ti FTW Ultra for retail prices after waiting about 6 weeks I had queue registrations for 7 different cards since March of last year, with none coming up for purchase. They cut it down to only allowing two active registrations back in October and that didn't make anything better. It's a good idea, but unfortunately just isn't working out. The 3090 Ti announcement is a huge "fuck you" to the gamer side of things. Uses the same GA102 core that that 3080, 3080 Ti, and regular 3090 use, so it further dilutes production. Given the likely specs, it's probably not even 5% faster than the original 3090. 
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:12:23 AM EDT
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I'm still on a 1080TI anything Im missing?
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:15:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still on a 1080TI anything Im missing? Ray tracing. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:15:27 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still on a 1080TI anything Im missing? |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:31:38 AM EDT
[#14]
3090Ti coming out means decreased production efforts on the other 3000 series GPUs. Although there is the 3050 coming.
So you can either get top of the line or bottom of the line. Good luck out there. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:36:08 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, wake me up when GPUs are readily available and not at stupid prices. 
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:39:44 AM EDT
[#16]
I sold my MSI 5700XT Mech OC for $850 and just bit the bullet and paid a couple hundred extra for an EVGA 3070 FTW3.
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:47:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3090Ti coming out means decreased production efforts on the other 3000 series GPUs. Although there is the 3050 coming. So you can either get top of the line or bottom of the line. Good luck out there. That 3050 is going to get vacuumed up by the miners. 8 GB card, lower power usage, perfect for ethereum. Until this tulip mania burns itself out, no one's buying anything. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 3:19:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That 3050 is going to get vacuumed up by the miners. 8 GB card, lower power usage, perfect for ethereum. Until this tulip mania burns itself out, no one's buying anything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 3090Ti coming out means decreased production efforts on the other 3000 series GPUs. Although there is the 3050 coming. So you can either get top of the line or bottom of the line. Good luck out there. That 3050 is going to get vacuumed up by the miners. 8 GB card, lower power usage, perfect for ethereum. Until this tulip mania burns itself out, no one's buying anything. Except the miners and resellers LoL
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Posted: 1/5/2022 3:52:45 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The EVGA queue system is closed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sign up for EVGA's queue system I was able to get a 3080ti FTW Ultra for retail prices after waiting about 6 weeks I've been in their queue for 14 months 
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Posted: 1/5/2022 3:55:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think that's going to happen. My original plan when the 3000's launched was wait for the whole thing to calm down. Let those who super can't wait pay the crazy prices and I will just upgrade later after the storm passes. ....here we are over a year later, nothing has changed, at all. I am fairly sure that "get lucky or pay double", is the new normal. I don't really feel like that's sustainable long term. The steam charts posted a bit ago proved that a good majority of people are sitting on half decade old cards at this point. Those will need to be replaced sooner or later and I don't think the masses really have interest in playing Newegg's shitty shuffle every day for a chance to game or paying multiple consoles worth of money for a mid to low range card. If anything it would be just another nail in the coffin for PC gaming as more and more are pushed to mobile gaming which is turning out to be making massive amounts of dollars to boot. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 3:59:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't really feel like that's sustainable long term. The steam charts posted a bit ago proved that a good majority of people are sitting on half decade old cards at this point. Those will need to be replaced sooner or later and I don't think the masses really have interest in playing Newegg's shitty shuffle every day for a chance to game or paying multiple consoles worth of money for a mid to low range card. If anything it would be just another nail in the coffin for PC gaming as more and more are pushed to mobile gaming which is turning out to be making massive amounts of dollars to boot.
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Posted: 1/5/2022 4:02:46 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryBought mine in 2015 for Fallout 4. Still going strong. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 4:05:06 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 3090Ti coming out means decreased production efforts on the other 3000 series GPUs. Although there is the 3050 coming. So you can either get top of the line or bottom of the line. Good luck out there. I'd love to see Samsung and TSMC's modern nodes. The last time I was around this stuff much was in the 45nm era, and they were already playing with magic on the lithography side. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 4:10:49 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are typically a mix of dies on a wafer, based on performance and size optimization, so that they use every square mm of the wafer they can, and certain regions of the wafer have better yield, so they put the high performance high dollar stuff there so it bins out well. I'd love to see Samsung and TSMC's modern nodes. The last time I was around this stuff much was in the 45nm era, and they were already playing with magic on the lithography side. Without going into specifics, 3nm is giving multiple manufacturers fits. It’s going to happen, though. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 4:30:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are typically a mix of dies on a wafer, based on performance and size optimization, so that they use every square mm of the wafer they can, and certain regions of the wafer have better yield, so they put the high performance high dollar stuff there so it bins out well. I'd love to see Samsung and TSMC's modern nodes. The last time I was around this stuff much was in the 45nm era, and they were already playing with magic on the lithography side. ??? You don't mix devices on a production wafer. That typically only happens extremely early in the development process to see if a particular design or layout will work, you share a portion of the cost with other customers in the same boat and you only get a handful of die per wafer. Shuttle runs are still a thing, but most of that process is being done with simulations. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 5:36:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ??? You don't mix devices on a production wafer. That typically only happens extremely early in the development process to see if a particular design or layout will work, you share a portion of the cost with other customers in the same boat and you only get a handful of die per wafer. Shuttle runs are still a thing, but most of that process is being done with simulations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are typically a mix of dies on a wafer, based on performance and size optimization, so that they use every square mm of the wafer they can, and certain regions of the wafer have better yield, so they put the high performance high dollar stuff there so it bins out well. I'd love to see Samsung and TSMC's modern nodes. The last time I was around this stuff much was in the 45nm era, and they were already playing with magic on the lithography side. ??? You don't mix devices on a production wafer. That typically only happens extremely early in the development process to see if a particular design or layout will work, you share a portion of the cost with other customers in the same boat and you only get a handful of die per wafer. Shuttle runs are still a thing, but most of that process is being done with simulations. It was a small, vertically integrated company that produced their own opto-electronics and DSP's, so they were setup for small batches and short runs, with near constant development and improvement. They put smaller, less complex things near the outer edges of the wafer, where the yields were lower, so that defects had smaller impacts. I just assumed the big guys did similar stuff. We already know they bin the outcomes so that one die pattern might be used for several different cards. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:31:20 PM EDT
[#27]
Big yawn...
Very annoying to keep releasing cards when people can barely get the ones they just released. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:42:43 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Big yawn... Very annoying to keep releasing cards when people can barely get the ones they just released. Intel is launching their products that will take pressure off the lower tier market along with the Chinese domestic cards that are all over Asia, and a couple of other players like Samsung and Marvell are considering getting into the graphics/compute business soon. Pair that with with the politics of consuming huge amounts of power for crypto turning sour, and I think there will be more availability in the coming year or two. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:54:26 PM EDT
[#29]
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Nevermind. |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:27:13 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What could I get for a used 2080ti right now? I'm not a miner, I game. Card kept the factory clocks the entire time. Where would be a good place to list it? You should be able to get your original retail for it, or damned close. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 5:05:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In fairness I wasn't working around a big fab house doing commercial runs. It was a small, vertically integrated company that produced their own opto-electronics and DSP's, so they were setup for small batches and short runs, with near constant development and improvement. They put smaller, less complex things near the outer edges of the wafer, where the yields were lower, so that defects had smaller impacts. I just assumed the big guys did similar stuff. We already know they bin the outcomes so that one die pattern might be used for several different cards. Interesting. I guess that was much more prevalent back in the pre 6" wafer days, when many of the process steps were done by hand. There would be a lot of issues doing something similar now, aligning the different reticles I think could be relatively straightforward and doable for some of the tools, but I don't think its worth the hassle. I would imagine the exposure/etch and mixing different complexity, many metal layers with less metal layers, would be the tough part. Obviously, it is a possbility but when you are pumping out thousands of these wafers a week/month they want to keep things simple where they are able to. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 5:39:07 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I went with the Radeon RX6900XT with 16GB of GDDR6. Good enough for me. I started installing my RX 6900 XT and 5900X tonight. Gonna need to pick up a new cooler tomorrow and then find out if my 750W PS will cut it. Can't wait |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 5:45:17 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What could I get for a used 2080ti right now? I'm not a miner, I game. Card kept the factory clocks the entire time. Where would be a good place to list it? Depending on model about $1k-$1,200+ on eBay. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 10:55:04 AM EDT
[#34]
If no one can buy the cards they already make, what's the point of making new ones?
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Posted: 1/6/2022 11:06:13 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The words of a man who is running a 60mhz monitor and has never seen the light of 144fps with Gsync. Or....one of those who has some sort of eyeball to brain problem and is unable to see it. I can spot 60fps in a second now and it looks like dog shit on a cracker. Never going back. Ever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Card makers have backed themselves into a corner. If you can hold 60 fps or more in your games, they have nothing. Everyone seems to think they have to have triple digits. No ... no, you don't. As long as you don't drop below 30fps minimum, things are playable just fine unless you're playing for money in a shooter or something that requires extreme twitch. I see zero point in paying attention to any new card release until prices cut in half or more and are available at those prices. Till than, it's just meaningless talk. Or....one of those who has some sort of eyeball to brain problem and is unable to see it. I can spot 60fps in a second now and it looks like dog shit on a cracker. Never going back. Ever. That's wild. Maybe I don't want to train my brain for higher than 60fps. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 11:33:14 AM EDT
[#36]
Was planning to build a new PC a year ago. Still rocking my twin 970's and i5-2500k. Probably going to wait another year before bothering at this point
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Posted: 1/6/2022 12:02:50 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can - right now - get a gaming PC with a 3060 for $1700. I haven't bought a home PC in over 25 years. I just build from parts. Where are the popular/best places to buy a good prebuilt that doesn't have substandard parts? |
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