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Posted: 1/5/2023 3:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: I would rather the US made many fewer public announcements. Let the results be shown on the battlefield. The world will see an know soon enough. I'm not sure what the advantage is in making public announcements for every equipment delivery. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: And Here we go!
I would rather the US made many fewer public announcements. Let the results be shown on the battlefield. The world will see an know soon enough. I'm not sure what the advantage is in making public announcements for every equipment delivery. <Exactly. Russia should discover it after the fact. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 3:59:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: general_cluster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Surprise! Crews have been training for months.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlrQEkcX0As8iI7?format=png&name=small sadly, it seems like that might be an older photo. f Edit: looks like that is stock photo from a training exercise last year https://www.nato.int/cps/fr/natohq/photos_192547.htm |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:00:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Oh, they work, this isn't the same system from Desert Storm. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 2 Patriot batteries.
Have they checked to make sure they work? Oh, they work, this isn't the same system from Desert Storm. The MC rate of German armor is the question I assume. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:01:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: sadly, it seems like that might be an older photo. folks are claiming that is the Antonov An-225 Mriya that was destroyed at the beginning of the war. Not sure. Edit: looks like that is stock photo Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Surprise! Crews have been training for months.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlrQEkcX0As8iI7?format=png&name=small sadly, it seems like that might be an older photo. folks are claiming that is the Antonov An-225 Mriya that was destroyed at the beginning of the war. Not sure. Edit: looks like that is stock photo If only there was some way to tell if it was an An-225 or an An-124-100M other than looking at the paint on the nose. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:01:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: klinc]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: sadly, it seems like that might be an older photo. folks are claiming that is the Antonov An-225 Mriya that was destroyed at the beginning of the war. Not sure. Edit: looks like that is stock photo Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Surprise! Crews have been training for months.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlrQEkcX0As8iI7?format=png&name=small sadly, it seems like that might be an older photo. folks are claiming that is the Antonov An-225 Mriya that was destroyed at the beginning of the war. Not sure. Edit: looks like that is stock photo It says Antonov 124 on the nose which are operated by a Ukrainian cargo company. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:04:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: sadly, it seems like that might be an older photo. f Edit: looks like that is stock photo from a training exercise last year https://www.nato.int/cps/fr/natohq/photos_192547.htm Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Surprise! Crews have been training for months.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlrQEkcX0As8iI7?format=png&name=small sadly, it seems like that might be an older photo. f Edit: looks like that is stock photo from a training exercise last year https://www.nato.int/cps/fr/natohq/photos_192547.htm Good catch. I still think that training started months ago for some of this equipment coming in. Original tweet was corrected too.
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: The MC rate of German armor is the question I assume. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 2 Patriot batteries.
Have they checked to make sure they work? Oh, they work, this isn't the same system from Desert Storm. The MC rate of German armor is the question I assume. Its mine as well, I think the Marders will be good, the Gepards are working too so far. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:05:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Good catch. I still think that training started months ago for some of this equipment coming in. I hope so!! |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:09:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:12:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: hmm... *Ponders what aircraft they might already be training on* Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Surprise! Crews have been training for months.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlrQEkcX0As8iI7?format=png&name=small hmm... *Ponders what aircraft they might already be training on* |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:16:50 PM EDT
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This guy is usually reliable.
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:21:41 PM EDT
[#12]
Even the potato sees it.
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:26:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dominion21]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: And Here we go!
Thanks AT!  This is a win in any event. I doubt it, but anyone know if we will supply the DU rounds for the Bushmaster auto cannon?  This page has Bradly info on the Bradly depleted uranum round I am referring to: https://www.orau.org/health-physics-museum/collection/consumer/depleted-uranium/penetrators.html When used in the Bradley, s Bushmaster auto cannon, this round offers enhanced effects on enemy armor. However, the rounds use is controversial. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:33:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:33:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Its mine as well, I think the Marders will be good, the Gepards are working too so far. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 2 Patriot batteries.
Have they checked to make sure they work? Oh, they work, this isn't the same system from Desert Storm. The MC rate of German armor is the question I assume. Its mine as well, I think the Marders will be good, the Gepards are working too so far. I will never stop making fun of the German military's failures in maintaining their equipment. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:40:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: I will never stop making fun of the German military's failures in maintaining their equipment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 2 Patriot batteries.
Have they checked to make sure they work? Oh, they work, this isn't the same system from Desert Storm. The MC rate of German armor is the question I assume. Its mine as well, I think the Marders will be good, the Gepards are working too so far. I will never stop making fun of the German military's failures in maintaining their equipment. lol, I understand, thank God the Patriot came from us. 
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:42:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: I will never stop making fun of the German military's failures in maintaining their equipment. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:45:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: I will never stop making fun of the German military's failures in maintaining their equipment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 2 Patriot batteries.
Have they checked to make sure they work? Oh, they work, this isn't the same system from Desert Storm. The MC rate of German armor is the question I assume. Its mine as well, I think the Marders will be good, the Gepards are working too so far. I will never stop making fun of the German military's failures in maintaining their equipment. We've been talking about it here for years and probably will be for years to come. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 4:49:43 PM EDT
[#19]
I'm guessing that these IFV's are for the big spring offensives.
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:00:10 PM EDT
[#20]
Reports of an S-300 Sam ammo site hit as well.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:01:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Armenia calls to ally Russia for help go unanswered while Azeri blockade of 120,000 Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh approaches 4 weeks and food and medicine run out. Since December 12 Azeri "protestors" have closed the Lachin Corridor, the only mountain road between Armenia and the portion of the Nagorno-Karabakh still occupied by Armenia after losing the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war, which featured oil rich Azerbaijan using cutting edge Turkish and Israeli drones to devastate the Russian-equipped Armenian army with little difficulty. The road is theoretically under the control of Russian peacekeepers. https://asbarez.com/yerevan-urges-moscow-to-open-lachin-corridor-without-preconditions/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2022/12/29/with-the-lachin-corridor-blockage-nagorno-karabakh-close-to-a-humanitarian-catastrophe/?sh=9c9bbe86c905 The Fixed. Imperialism has no place in the 21st century world. Putin and his kleptocracy did not believe this, and Russia is paying for it. China will be next. They definitely believe in Chinese imperialism, and they will push for the territories they believe belong to them (Taiwan). |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:05:35 PM EDT
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Thats kinda big news. Didnt Poland send just 1 battery?
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:09:07 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: The MC rate of German armor is the question I assume. I assumed he was asking because maybe it was like a typical German delivery where some key item (like ammo) was left out. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:09:48 PM EDT
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"Ukrainian naval forces BLOW UP huge mine in the Black Sea near Odessa"  Ukrainian naval forces blow up huge mine in the Black Sea near Odesa |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:15:07 PM EDT
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"Putin cannot be relied on, he seeks to find 'oxygen' with Christmas truce: Biden"  Putin cannot be relied on, he seeks to find “oxygen” with Christmas truce: Biden |
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ON, CAN
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:19:42 PM EDT
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Are there Patriots in theatre yet? I keep hearing about training on them, but can't recall if they are active or not.
I'm hoping beyond hope that the spring offensive brings a mass of new armaments into play. Namely up to date armour, aircraft, and ATACMs like yesterday. If pOO-tin hits a bunch of churches or otherwise does some dumb shit over his proposed joke cease-fire, I hope that spurs ATACMs being handed over. UKR needs the ability to deep strike Crimea and possibly even sites in Russia that border Crimea in order to soften it up enough to start a push through and minimize resupply/reinforcements from further East of the UKR push. I suppose the Kerch bridge will go bye-bye around then as well. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:20:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: If only there was some way to tell if it was an An-225 or an An-124-100M other than looking at the paint on the nose. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By general_cluster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Surprise! Crews have been training for months.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlrQEkcX0As8iI7?format=png&name=small sadly, it seems like that might be an older photo. folks are claiming that is the Antonov An-225 Mriya that was destroyed at the beginning of the war. Not sure. Edit: looks like that is stock photo If only there was some way to tell if it was an An-225 or an An-124-100M other than looking at the paint on the nose. 
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Erno86: "Putin cannot be relied on, he seeks to find 'oxygen' with Christmas truce: Biden"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ciJgkuGCIMark the time fellas, 12 more hours until he’s right about something again. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:24:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paraflare: Are there Patriots in theatre yet? I keep hearing about training on them, but can't recall if they are active or not. I'm hoping beyond hope that the spring offensive brings a mass of new armaments into play. Namely up to date armour, aircraft, and ATACMs like yesterday. If pOO-tin hits a bunch of churches or otherwise does some dumb shit over his proposed joke cease-fire, I hope that spurs ATACMs being handed over. UKR needs the ability to deep strike Crimea and possibly even sites in Russia that border Crimea in order to soften it up enough to start a push through and minimize resupply/reinforcements from further East of the UKR push. I suppose the Kerch bridge will go bye-bye around then as well.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:26:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Thats kinda big news. Didnt Poland send just 1 battery? I think the Ukrainians are training on a Romanian Patriot system, but it's big that 2 of those systems are going in. Nothing concrete on them being in theater yet. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:27:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: hmm... *Ponders what aircraft they might already be training on* Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Surprise! Crews have been training for months.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlrQEkcX0As8iI7?format=png&name=small hmm... *Ponders what aircraft they might already be training on* Hopefully F-117A Nighthawks. 
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:31:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:37:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:41:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlvRyG-XEAQT2qO?format=jpg&name=large Two different models in the two posts. Su-25 seems more likely. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:41:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fluo9n-agAAb85q?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fluo9n9akAETHfL?format=jpg&name=large    |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:48:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Two different models in the two posts. Su-25 seems more likely. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlvRyG-XEAQT2qO?format=jpg&name=large Two different models in the two posts. Su-25 seems more likely. He mistyped the tweet, your correct, footage of the crash is coming in. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:50:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 5:54:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
That's just ugly Ukrainian propaganda, it's more evidence that Ukraine is a Nazi menace. (/sarcasm) |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:00:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: That's just ugly Ukrainian propaganda, it's more evidence that Ukraine is a Nazi menace. (/sarcasm) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
That's just ugly Ukrainian propaganda, it's more evidence that Ukraine is a Nazi menace. (/sarcasm) Can you imagine the calls they listen in on that they wont publish?
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:18:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: That's just ugly Ukrainian propaganda, it's more evidence that Ukraine is a Nazi menace. (/sarcasm) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
That's just ugly Ukrainian propaganda, it's more evidence that Ukraine is a Nazi menace. (/sarcasm) I do have a healthy skepticism on these calls. I do believe plenty of the Russian troops would say these things, but it's obviously very easy to manufacture and impossible to verify. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:18:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:22:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:22:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: I do have a healthy skepticism on these calls. I do believe plenty of the Russian troops would say these things, but it's obviously very easy to manufacture and impossible to verify. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
That's just ugly Ukrainian propaganda, it's more evidence that Ukraine is a Nazi menace. (/sarcasm) I do have a healthy skepticism on these calls. I do believe plenty of the Russian troops would say these things, but it's obviously very easy to manufacture and impossible to verify. I find them basically irrelevant except for maybe evidence collection against the person on the call. With tens of thousands of soldiers making calls you will find sick fucks or hateful bravado in some of the calls. I’m sure a lot of embarrassing shit was said in private calls from Iraq and Afghanistan. The general behavior of the Russians in theater certainly makes these calls more believable, though. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:24:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: I do have a healthy skepticism on these calls. I do believe plenty of the Russian troops would say these things, but it's obviously very easy to manufacture and impossible to verify. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
That's just ugly Ukrainian propaganda, it's more evidence that Ukraine is a Nazi menace. (/sarcasm) I do have a healthy skepticism on these calls. I do believe plenty of the Russian troops would say these things, but it's obviously very easy to manufacture and impossible to verify. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:29:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: I do have a healthy skepticism on these calls. I do believe plenty of the Russian troops would say these things, but it's obviously very easy to manufacture and impossible to verify. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
That's just ugly Ukrainian propaganda, it's more evidence that Ukraine is a Nazi menace. (/sarcasm) I do have a healthy skepticism on these calls. I do believe plenty of the Russian troops would say these things, but it's obviously very easy to manufacture and impossible to verify. It would be worth it to get Reuters, WaPo, AFP or somebody into the listening posts to publicly verify that yes, Ukraine is capturing real cell calls. I don't know if that is happening, but it should. If Ukraine's process could be publicly vetted, it would help the PR war. Ukraine is doing great with the PR/info war, and should continue to improve in this area as well. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:35:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By absael: My intuition is that the calls are probably legit, but that there are a lot that we don't hear about because they're not incriminating... probably what you would expect from any soldier phoning home. The ones that are really bad may be rare... or maybe not. It's just like the drone grenade drop videos - the handful that are publicly released are publicly released because they have propaganda value. There must be 87% of them that are absolutely nothing. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:37:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: I find them basically irrelevant except for maybe evidence collection against the person on the call. With tens of thousands of soldiers making calls you will find sick fucks or hateful bravado in some of the calls. I’m sure a lot of embarrassing shit was said in private calls from Iraq and Afghanistan. The general behavior of the Russians in theater certainly makes these calls more believable, though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
That's just ugly Ukrainian propaganda, it's more evidence that Ukraine is a Nazi menace. (/sarcasm) I do have a healthy skepticism on these calls. I do believe plenty of the Russian troops would say these things, but it's obviously very easy to manufacture and impossible to verify. I find them basically irrelevant except for maybe evidence collection against the person on the call. With tens of thousands of soldiers making calls you will find sick fucks or hateful bravado in some of the calls. I’m sure a lot of embarrassing shit was said in private calls from Iraq and Afghanistan. The general behavior of the Russians in theater certainly makes these calls more believable, though. I felt the same at first, but over time they have verified the conditions Russian soldiers are facing. After Ukrainian offensives, their lack of communications, then getting frightened about long range counter battery fire, lack of ammo and supplies and others were confirmed later on by other sources. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:43:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Two different models in the two posts. Su-25 seems more likely. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlvRyG-XEAQT2qO?format=jpg&name=large Two different models in the two posts. Su-25 seems more likely. 25...35...close enough
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:45:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 1/5/2023 6:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: hmm... *Ponders what aircraft they might already be training on* Congress approved US fighter (F15/F16) training for Ukrainian pilots back in June or July fwiw. When or if it started we may soon find out. |
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