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Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:32:35 PM EDT
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Wow



PREMIERE: Wagner Orchestra - Evil Orc's March

We find it unfair that only Russian-speaking listeners can enjoy our wonderful content.

So we are in a hurry to bring to your attention the international battle march of the evil orcs.

https://t.me/rsotmdivision/6209
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:33:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MFP_4073:

the full story on the unarmed Ukrainian soldier executed by Russians -- from today's Wall Street Journal

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How a Ukrainian Soldier’s Final Act of Defiance Made Him a Hero

No one knew how Oleksandr Matsievskiy died until video showed graphic certainty of his end

By Isabel Coles and Ievgeniia Sivorka | Photographs by Joseph Sywenkyj for The Wall Street Journal      March 31, 2023 6:01 am ET

NIZHYN, Ukraine—The Ukrainian platoon was digging in desperately along a tree line in this country’s east when grenades began exploding around it and Russian soldiers crept in from the left.

The 16 Ukrainians fought back as best they could but couldn’t stop the Russians from overrunning a position held by five of their number, including Pvt. Oleksandr Matsievskiy, a 42-year-old electrician who lived with his mother and was new to front-line combat.

As darkness fell, the platoon withdrew to more secure positions, reluctantly leaving the five behind, said some of the soldiers who were there. What happened next remained a mystery for more than two months, even after Pvt. Matsievskiy’s dead body was recovered and buried.

Then, a video surfaced on Russian social media showing an unarmed Pvt. Matsievskiy standing knee-deep in a pit, taking a drag on a cigarette and saying, “Glory to Ukraine.” His apparent captors then open fire, strafing his body with bullets and sending it crumpling to the ground.

Pvt. Matsievskiy’s unassuming defiance struck a chord in this nation that has resisted invasion by its larger neighbor for more than a year.

Every war throws up heroes who display uncommon physical strength or mental acuity to overcome the enemy. Ukraine decorated nearly 200 people with the title “Hero of Ukraine,” the state’s highest award, last year, the most in any year since declaring independence in 1991. But there are also everyman heroes who show courage and defiance in the face of certain death.

Pvt. Oleksandr Matsievskiy has been lauded as a hero since his killing by Russian soldiers was captured in a video.

“He showed that Ukraine’s spirit is unbreakable,” said Pvt. Matsievskiy’s mother, Paraskoviya Demchuk, who received the medal on his behalf. Her son’s stance galvanized Ukrainian resolve at a critical moment in the war as Russia’s onslaught takes an ever-heavier toll.

Pvt. Matsievskiy was born and raised in neighboring Moldova, then also part of the Soviet Union, where his mother was sent to work in a shoe factory.

The young Oleksandr was a sportsman with a willful streak, said Ms. Demchuk. After qualifying as an electrician, he moved to Russia for work, marrying a woman there from his mother’s hometown of Nizhyn in Ukraine. After eight years in Russia, they moved to Nizhyn in 2008 with a young son.

When they split, Pvt. Matsievskiy went to live with his mother, who had also returned to Nizhyn, about 90 miles north of Kyiv. They were living together in a modest house on the edge of the city of some 70,000 inhabitants when Russia invaded Ukraine last year.

With Russian forces at the gates of Nizhyn, Pvt. Matsievskiy joined civilian volunteers in the Territorial Defense Force. “I tried to talk him out of it, but he was really determined,” said Ms. Demchuk.

They were deployed to hold checkpoints and secure villages as Russian troops withdrew last spring.

The demand for fresh units to hold the line in the east of the country grew as the war ground on. Pvt. Matsievskiy brought his mother groceries and a bouquet of flowers before deploying in December, telling her he was heading to the front line.

By Dec. 8, Pvt. Matsievskiy was in Bakhmut, the eastern city that has become a focus of the war, taking the lives of thousands of soldiers on both sides. It was the first real taste of combat for him and many other members of his 163rd Battalion, said Lt. Oleksandr Galystskiy, Pvt. Matsievskiy’s platoon commander.

As an electrician, Pvt. Matsievskiy put his skills to use each time they moved to a new place, rigging up a generator so they could charge their devices.

In a photograph taken in Bakhmut, Pvt. Matsievskiy appears, hand on weapon, with a Band-Aid over his eyebrow covering a cut received when he struck his head while unloading a train. He was obstinate, according to four of the men who served with him, and a heavy smoker. Staff Sgt. Vasyl Zamola, a driver before the war, recalled him declaring he would never be taken captive. Like many Ukrainians brought up in the Soviet Union, he mostly spoke Russian, Sgt. Zamola said.

On the morning of Dec. 30, Pvt. Matsievskiy and 15 others headed for a line of trees near the village of Krasna Hora to support a tank brigade defending the north of Bakhmut.

The men had been digging foxholes for cover for about 15 minutes when Russian forces attacked.

Branches began falling as mortars tore through the trees overhead. “It was getting more and more intense,” said Pvt. Vyacheslav Kovalyov, who took a bullet to the calf and was evacuated from the battlefield along with another soldier.

Russian forces were coming at them in waves, trampling over the bodies of those cut down in front of them, said Sgt. Zamola. Suddenly, he noticed Russian forces to his left, where Pvt. Matsievskiy and four others had been. They had been outflanked.

The men made several attempts to reach Pvt. Matsievskiy’s group as the battle raged through the day, but the gunfire was too intense.

Daylight was waning and their night-vision equipment wasn’t good enough to keep fighting in the dark. An order was given to fall back to better-fortified positions.

“If not, we would all have died,” said Sgt. Zamola.

Paraskoviya Demchuk said that her son showed that Ukraine’s spirit is unbreakable.

At home in Nizhyn, Ms. Demchuk had been trying to distract herself with housework. The last time she had spoken to her son on Dec. 29, he had seemed in good spirits.

He had previously told her not to worry if she didn’t hear from him because cellphone reception near the front lines is patchy. But as days went by without a word, Ms. Demchuk grew anxious. Pvt. Matsievskiy’s was out of service. She couldn’t get through to his company commander.

Rumors began swirling around Nizhyn that the 163rd Battalion had suffered heavy casualties. Ms. Demchuk went to the local enlistment office asking about her son. They didn’t provide any information. Nor did Pvt. Matsievskiy’s military base, nor the police.

The facts began to emerge after the 163rd Battalion returned to base in nearby Chernihiv in early January without Pvt. Matsievskiy. A member of his unit informed Ms. Demchuk her son was missing, likely dead. “How could you leave him there?” she recalled saying.

On Feb. 9, Ms. Demchuk received a call from the police. At a morgue in Kyiv, she was confronted with the bullet-ridden corpse of her only son, recovered as part of an exchange with Russian forces. Part of his head was missing, she said, but there was no mistaking the gash over his eyebrow or the birthmark on his foot.

Days later, Ms. Demchuk buried her son, but questions about how he had died continued to assail her. “A mother needs to know—no matter how painful,” she said.

The answer came to her in the form of a video that flashed up on her phone when she returned home from work one evening and sat down at the kitchen table. It showed a man she recognized instantly as her son standing knee-deep in a ditch with a cigarette dangling from the corner of his mouth.

“Film him!” a male voice off-camera commands in Russian.

Staring directly at the camera, Pvt. Matsievskiy takes a deep drag from his cigarette before saying in a calm, steady voice: “Glory to Ukraine.”

A barrage of automatic gunfire cuts him down.

The 12-second clip had surfaced on a Telegram channel affiliated with Russia’s paramilitary Wagner Group and soon ripped across the internet, spawning memes and a hashtag that topped global Twitter trends. In Ukraine, it provoked an outcry.

In his address to the nation that night, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky pledged to find the killers, rallying the nation with the man’s final words. “I want us all together, in unity, to respond: ‘Glory to the hero! Glory to heroes! Glory to Ukraine!’”

Pvt. Matsievskiy’s fellow soldiers had also recognized him immediately and informed their commander, but it took Ukrainian security services nearly a week to confirm his identity. During that time, the Ukrainian military identified the man in the video as a different missing soldier, sowing confusion.

Within hours of the confirmation, Mr. Zelensky had conferred the “Hero of Ukraine” award on Pvt. Matsievskiy.

Russia didn’t comment on the video. Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin cast doubt on its authenticity and said there was no evidence his forces were involved.

For his mother, there is some solace in the phone calls, letters and poems she receives extolling Pvt. Matsievskiy’s bravery, and thanking her for raising a patriot. There are plans to rename a street in Nizhyn after him and erect a monument in his honor.

Despite the graphic certainty of his end, questions remain about the moments leading up to it: When and where exactly did it happen? Did Pvt. Matsievskiy’s words prompt his killers to open fire, or were they about to shoot him anyway?

The fate of two of the soldiers who went missing with Pvt. Matsievskiy is also unknown.

The other two whose remains were recovered with Pvt. Matsievskiy’s are buried near him in Nizhyn, alongside 81 other men from the city who have been killed in action since Russia’s invasion.

“Every fighter in the Ukrainian army has such a spirit,” said his mother. “Perhaps many others said such words, but they weren’t recorded.”   Pvt. Matsievskiy’s unassuming defiance struck a chord in this nation that has resisted invasion by Russia for more than a year.

Write to Isabel Coles at [email protected]

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Thank you for that.
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:36:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MFP_4073:

the full story on the unarmed Ukrainian soldier executed by Russians -- from today's Wall Street Journal

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How a Ukrainian Soldier’s Final Act of Defiance Made Him a Hero

No one knew how Oleksandr Matsievskiy died until video showed graphic certainty of his end

By Isabel Coles and Ievgeniia Sivorka | Photographs by Joseph Sywenkyj for The Wall Street Journal      March 31, 2023 6:01 am ET

NIZHYN, Ukraine—The Ukrainian platoon was digging in desperately along a tree line in this country’s east when grenades began exploding around it and Russian soldiers crept in from the left.

The 16 Ukrainians fought back as best they could but couldn’t stop the Russians from overrunning a position held by five of their number, including Pvt. Oleksandr Matsievskiy, a 42-year-old electrician who lived with his mother and was new to front-line combat.

As darkness fell, the platoon withdrew to more secure positions, reluctantly leaving the five behind, said some of the soldiers who were there. What happened next remained a mystery for more than two months, even after Pvt. Matsievskiy’s dead body was recovered and buried.

Then, a video surfaced on Russian social media showing an unarmed Pvt. Matsievskiy standing knee-deep in a pit, taking a drag on a cigarette and saying, “Glory to Ukraine.” His apparent captors then open fire, strafing his body with bullets and sending it crumpling to the ground.

Pvt. Matsievskiy’s unassuming defiance struck a chord in this nation that has resisted invasion by its larger neighbor for more than a year.

Every war throws up heroes who display uncommon physical strength or mental acuity to overcome the enemy. Ukraine decorated nearly 200 people with the title “Hero of Ukraine,” the state’s highest award, last year, the most in any year since declaring independence in 1991. But there are also everyman heroes who show courage and defiance in the face of certain death.

Pvt. Oleksandr Matsievskiy has been lauded as a hero since his killing by Russian soldiers was captured in a video.

“He showed that Ukraine’s spirit is unbreakable,” said Pvt. Matsievskiy’s mother, Paraskoviya Demchuk, who received the medal on his behalf. Her son’s stance galvanized Ukrainian resolve at a critical moment in the war as Russia’s onslaught takes an ever-heavier toll.

Pvt. Matsievskiy was born and raised in neighboring Moldova, then also part of the Soviet Union, where his mother was sent to work in a shoe factory.

The young Oleksandr was a sportsman with a willful streak, said Ms. Demchuk. After qualifying as an electrician, he moved to Russia for work, marrying a woman there from his mother’s hometown of Nizhyn in Ukraine. After eight years in Russia, they moved to Nizhyn in 2008 with a young son.

When they split, Pvt. Matsievskiy went to live with his mother, who had also returned to Nizhyn, about 90 miles north of Kyiv. They were living together in a modest house on the edge of the city of some 70,000 inhabitants when Russia invaded Ukraine last year.

With Russian forces at the gates of Nizhyn, Pvt. Matsievskiy joined civilian volunteers in the Territorial Defense Force. “I tried to talk him out of it, but he was really determined,” said Ms. Demchuk.

They were deployed to hold checkpoints and secure villages as Russian troops withdrew last spring.

The demand for fresh units to hold the line in the east of the country grew as the war ground on. Pvt. Matsievskiy brought his mother groceries and a bouquet of flowers before deploying in December, telling her he was heading to the front line.

By Dec. 8, Pvt. Matsievskiy was in Bakhmut, the eastern city that has become a focus of the war, taking the lives of thousands of soldiers on both sides. It was the first real taste of combat for him and many other members of his 163rd Battalion, said Lt. Oleksandr Galystskiy, Pvt. Matsievskiy’s platoon commander.

As an electrician, Pvt. Matsievskiy put his skills to use each time they moved to a new place, rigging up a generator so they could charge their devices.

In a photograph taken in Bakhmut, Pvt. Matsievskiy appears, hand on weapon, with a Band-Aid over his eyebrow covering a cut received when he struck his head while unloading a train. He was obstinate, according to four of the men who served with him, and a heavy smoker. Staff Sgt. Vasyl Zamola, a driver before the war, recalled him declaring he would never be taken captive. Like many Ukrainians brought up in the Soviet Union, he mostly spoke Russian, Sgt. Zamola said.

On the morning of Dec. 30, Pvt. Matsievskiy and 15 others headed for a line of trees near the village of Krasna Hora to support a tank brigade defending the north of Bakhmut.

The men had been digging foxholes for cover for about 15 minutes when Russian forces attacked.

Branches began falling as mortars tore through the trees overhead. “It was getting more and more intense,” said Pvt. Vyacheslav Kovalyov, who took a bullet to the calf and was evacuated from the battlefield along with another soldier.

Russian forces were coming at them in waves, trampling over the bodies of those cut down in front of them, said Sgt. Zamola. Suddenly, he noticed Russian forces to his left, where Pvt. Matsievskiy and four others had been. They had been outflanked.

The men made several attempts to reach Pvt. Matsievskiy’s group as the battle raged through the day, but the gunfire was too intense.

Daylight was waning and their night-vision equipment wasn’t good enough to keep fighting in the dark. An order was given to fall back to better-fortified positions.

“If not, we would all have died,” said Sgt. Zamola.

Paraskoviya Demchuk said that her son showed that Ukraine’s spirit is unbreakable.

At home in Nizhyn, Ms. Demchuk had been trying to distract herself with housework. The last time she had spoken to her son on Dec. 29, he had seemed in good spirits.

He had previously told her not to worry if she didn’t hear from him because cellphone reception near the front lines is patchy. But as days went by without a word, Ms. Demchuk grew anxious. Pvt. Matsievskiy’s was out of service. She couldn’t get through to his company commander.

Rumors began swirling around Nizhyn that the 163rd Battalion had suffered heavy casualties. Ms. Demchuk went to the local enlistment office asking about her son. They didn’t provide any information. Nor did Pvt. Matsievskiy’s military base, nor the police.

The facts began to emerge after the 163rd Battalion returned to base in nearby Chernihiv in early January without Pvt. Matsievskiy. A member of his unit informed Ms. Demchuk her son was missing, likely dead. “How could you leave him there?” she recalled saying.

On Feb. 9, Ms. Demchuk received a call from the police. At a morgue in Kyiv, she was confronted with the bullet-ridden corpse of her only son, recovered as part of an exchange with Russian forces. Part of his head was missing, she said, but there was no mistaking the gash over his eyebrow or the birthmark on his foot.

Days later, Ms. Demchuk buried her son, but questions about how he had died continued to assail her. “A mother needs to know—no matter how painful,” she said.

The answer came to her in the form of a video that flashed up on her phone when she returned home from work one evening and sat down at the kitchen table. It showed a man she recognized instantly as her son standing knee-deep in a ditch with a cigarette dangling from the corner of his mouth.

“Film him!” a male voice off-camera commands in Russian.

Staring directly at the camera, Pvt. Matsievskiy takes a deep drag from his cigarette before saying in a calm, steady voice: “Glory to Ukraine.”

A barrage of automatic gunfire cuts him down.

The 12-second clip had surfaced on a Telegram channel affiliated with Russia’s paramilitary Wagner Group and soon ripped across the internet, spawning memes and a hashtag that topped global Twitter trends. In Ukraine, it provoked an outcry.

In his address to the nation that night, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky pledged to find the killers, rallying the nation with the man’s final words. “I want us all together, in unity, to respond: ‘Glory to the hero! Glory to heroes! Glory to Ukraine!’”

Pvt. Matsievskiy’s fellow soldiers had also recognized him immediately and informed their commander, but it took Ukrainian security services nearly a week to confirm his identity. During that time, the Ukrainian military identified the man in the video as a different missing soldier, sowing confusion.

Within hours of the confirmation, Mr. Zelensky had conferred the “Hero of Ukraine” award on Pvt. Matsievskiy.

Russia didn’t comment on the video. Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin cast doubt on its authenticity and said there was no evidence his forces were involved.

For his mother, there is some solace in the phone calls, letters and poems she receives extolling Pvt. Matsievskiy’s bravery, and thanking her for raising a patriot. There are plans to rename a street in Nizhyn after him and erect a monument in his honor.

Despite the graphic certainty of his end, questions remain about the moments leading up to it: When and where exactly did it happen? Did Pvt. Matsievskiy’s words prompt his killers to open fire, or were they about to shoot him anyway?

The fate of two of the soldiers who went missing with Pvt. Matsievskiy is also unknown.

The other two whose remains were recovered with Pvt. Matsievskiy’s are buried near him in Nizhyn, alongside 81 other men from the city who have been killed in action since Russia’s invasion.

“Every fighter in the Ukrainian army has such a spirit,” said his mother. “Perhaps many others said such words, but they weren’t recorded.”   Pvt. Matsievskiy’s unassuming defiance struck a chord in this nation that has resisted invasion by Russia for more than a year.

Write to Isabel Coles at [email protected]

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FUCK RUSSIA AND ANY OF THEIR SUPPORTERS WHO ARE READING THIS

God bless that mother and the many people who "said such words, but they weren't recorded."
 (with Ukrainian flag)

I'd say hope, but we don't need to hope-we KNOW all of these mothers will be well looked after by "their boys." Maybe @Gentlemanfarmer can tell us about how a fallen soldier's guys pay homage to their fallen brother's parents. I bet they instantly have many more sons and daughters and grandchildren after the war.

Oh yea, fuck you Russia. You're weak pussies with a shitty history worthy of a trash compactor. You won't be missed.
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:38:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Freiheit8472:
Guardian link

Not much info other than face value and taking about how ridiculous it is.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/E7C32B07-13CC-4C6F-9869-499B69052DC8-2765736.png

“From Saturday, it will be Russia’s turn to take up the monthly presidency of the 15-member council, in line with a rotation that has been unaffected by the Ukraine war.”

“In such circumstances, putting Russia in the driving seat of a world body tasked with “maintaining international peace and security” seems like a cruel April fools joke to many, not least the Ukrainian mission to the UN.”
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Where do they meet for lunch...?
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:39:45 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:41:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Wow



PREMIERE: Wagner Orchestra - Evil Orc's March

We find it unfair that only Russian-speaking listeners can enjoy our wonderful content.

So we are in a hurry to bring to your attention the international battle march of the evil orcs.

https://t.me/rsotmdivision/6209
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Thats actually a pretty cool video. But I'm a big LOTR fan. And it's nice to see the orcs embracing their orc-ness. Fucking subhuman savages can be proud too...
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:42:50 PM EDT
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The Russian awacs jet that was attacked by drones in belarus. It was damaged and is probably beyond repair for Russia but it was not deatroyed. It flew out a couple days later. The charges carried by the drones were small.

So this got me wondering why not thermite charges? Wouldn't a thermite charge have burnt straight thru the plane or would a suitable charge have been too heavy?
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:45:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

Coming from a former commie shithole, I understand that mentality. For them, the worst thing is NOT that they didnt get sausages (or whatever) it's that their neighbor got some and they didnt. Equity! Everybody equally miserable. At least the common people...When communism was replaced with the wild west of 90's capitalism, everybody couldnt hustle the same and some got a whole sausage factory while other only got a moldy potato. It's tolerable to go to bed hungry knowing that your neighbor is also just as hungry. But to hear them singing and eating while you go hungry...the old days where everyone was hungry was "better"...
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Yes, and a weird anger toward anyone who made money off anything. This inbred, for lack of a better word, anger towards capitalism.
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:47:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts:


I think we continually forget that the Ukraine is no great shakes compared to Western arms.  They look good because their enemy is so bad.  And to be fair, while many of those concepts are trained in Western armies, the ability to execute them under fire is meh for a lot of units.
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We will see how well the western training went when the counter offensive kicks off. All these thousands we hear about now wrapping up training aren't on the frontlines.
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:48:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer:


You’re making a lot of assumptions based on a straws view of the battle.
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You seem obsessed with waiting for me to post something, and then logically turning yourself into a pretzel to contradict whatever I have to say. I sense a pattern.
Bye.
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:51:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Freiheit8472:

We will see how well the western training went when the counter offensive kicks off. All these thousands we hear about now wrapping up training aren't on the frontlines.
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Keeping those guns fed is going to be way more important than infantry training.
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:52:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:

Earlier video. This place is popular.
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Originally Posted By TotalNovice:


Are they retaking it?

I thought I read they lost that position eventually and then won it back.

Earlier video. This place is popular.


In that twitter they refer to the 30 Russian soldiers attacking that trench as 30 attack aircraft.  Is this some sort of lost in translation thing?
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:55:24 PM EDT
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More stuff and info.

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Got about 10 large boxes going out this week. Started the papers on things, it’s pita each has to accounted for but it’s worth it when the fighters say thank you. Just my wife’s very busy and it’s on me currently,

Can’t just say socks 100 pairs, boots 150 pairs.
Has to be Darn Tough M hikers 45 pairs $ value, Darn tough L trekking 100 pairs. Technica forge #43 20 pairs etc. etc.  it’s a lot of personal time. I’m posting now because I slept from 530 till 830. Havnt been keeping up here for this reason. Just the medical trauma stuff keeps me busy and we’ve only got 1/3 over.

Thanks everyone for helping. Seriously some of you can Pat yourself for saving this heros leg. Guy in Ghillie I posted a while back. Officer, captain SSO xxx ministry. Not sure if your money, supplies or both got used on his wound specifically but it was HE so a few AFAIKs got used. I’ll be sending him five pairs of matching technica forges too. New socks. Antibiotics just in case, wish I could mail RXs, we can get them through MD friends there to guys in extremis. So far he says he’s good and doesn’t need pain killers. That’s big hairy Ukrainian balls there. Sorry I’ll take the drip please. Morphines for heroes they say, I’m starting to doubt that they have it at all🤪. It’s like the gutter snipe, guys swear it’s there but my experience says if you’re really lucky. In any event, he’s gtg he says, and says the compound fracture and pins and frag wound don’t hurt too bad! Oh yeah had to be dragged through 400m of war detritus to a stretcher. Then driven in an matv down 20km of potholes. Anyway, beer for you man!

Also buy from companies that help and are not shit burgs.
Darn tough 👍👍👍. Damn good socks, worth the money and they give us 50% off through a distributor. We’re at 600 pairs of DTs and guys still have them a year later even with the turbo laundry services that blowtorch the merino like it’s hospital linen. Yes they have regular uniform wash and food services that are just as important for these guys in heavy contact. Getting a clean pair of socks, new boots, hot meal, showers, some “tort” , coffee has a whole new meaning for a guy rotating out of the trenches. Morale is decent to high. It’s little things like that that matter.

Russias finally throwing in their barrier troops in Bhakmut. So it’s not mobik vs volunteer. It’s a hodge podge of SSO and TRO, Azov, national guard, volunteer Fl guys (Chechians) against the real Wagners, vdv, omon, assorted adhoc bullshitsky Sf. GRU so that’s why we’re seeing marginal advances (blocks). Ukraine is keeping its reserves in full standbye. It’s a double edged sword, they have the AFVs, artillery, light armor vehicles but the tanks are just trickling in. Soon they’ll be able to throw the full Monty. But it’s a race and I’d be tempted to through the brads and marders in. That’s why I’m not in charge. I think they’re doing great by building everything into a combined arms force instead of piecemealing it. They’re using the veteran “tampons” until then. Keep up the support, we need it. Check EE tomorrow for some firearms sales.

Thanks,
Usinua.org
(mags and guns not affiliated) that’s a separate deal
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 10:56:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts:


I think we continually forget that the Ukraine is no great shakes compared to Western arms.  They look good because their enemy is so bad.  And to be fair, while many of those concepts are trained in Western armies, the ability to execute them under fire is meh for a lot of units.
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With respect you don’t know what your talking about.
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 11:01:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Freiheit8472:
I don’t have the ego, or maybe passive aggressive tendencies, to feel I have the right to hall monitor others. Especially contributing members making thoughtful conversation.

Sort of like the desire to tell the teacher (mods) on someone to win favor by enforcing the rule book. How can one’s emotions be so in control of them to raise them to action over such trivial things?

Small gov people will never understand the desire to rule others or to be Karens.
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Thanks, it’s true. This thread needs gentle direction and troll slaughter from time to time.
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 11:02:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Wow



PREMIERE: Wagner Orchestra - Evil Orc's March

We find it unfair that only Russian-speaking listeners can enjoy our wonderful content.

So we are in a hurry to bring to your attention the international battle march of the evil orcs.

https://t.me/rsotmdivision/6209
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That was awesome honestly.

Props to Wagner for leaning into the brand rather then pretending to be the good guys.
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 11:02:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

Thats actually a pretty cool video. But I'm a big LOTR fan. And it's nice to see the orcs embracing their orc-ness. Fucking subhuman savages can be proud too...
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That they are.


Link Posted: 3/31/2023 11:03:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Is this video true?  Kind of looks like someone taking advantage of Predator's 15 minutes of fame?  I hope I am wrong but something about this video looks weird.
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 11:09:42 PM EDT
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7.62 Ghostbuster coming for the Orcs.

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The better deal is the polymer links for pkms, and plastic or cloth nutsacks. The PKM is besty saddled to a crappy old cartridge. But getting the weight down with a shorter barrel, plastic links, one heavy 18” barrel instead of a 26” or whatever, new bipod from carbon fiber,  plus a pic rail makes it a real winner. The polymer links are pricey though as they arnt made in large numbers. Shame because they do work. Saves a ton of weight and makes the backpack a functional item. Yes they are there and used for some stuff. Usually the new guy gets the mg on the SSO teams, the big guy the radio. That’s changing since the radios arnt 50lbs anymore. If the retard strong guy gets the PK, something like this is possible to be employed. If not it’s a range toy. I tried one on with polymer links at a trade show and it was still waaay to heavy I thought but I’m not the hulk smashing brick guy either.
Link Posted: 3/31/2023 11:12:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By urbanredneck:
The Russian awacs jet that was attacked by drones in belarus. It was damaged and is probably beyond repair for Russia but it was not deatroyed. It flew out a couple days later. The charges carried by the drones were small.

So this got me wondering why not thermite charges? Wouldn't a thermite charge have burnt straight thru the plane or would a suitable charge have been too heavy?
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Risk it could roll right off before burning through?

Didn't have any?

Less suitable for impact activation?

All are plausible explanations.
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Coming from a former commie shithole, I understand that mentality. For them, the worst thing is NOT that they didnt get sausages (or whatever) it's that their neighbor got some and they didnt. Equity! Everybody equally miserable. At least the common people...When communism was replaced with the wild west of 90's capitalism, everybody couldnt hustle the same and some got a whole sausage factory while other only got a moldy potato. It's tolerable to go to bed hungry knowing that your neighbor is also just as hungry. But to hear them singing and eating while you go hungry...the old days where everyone was hungry was "better"...
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I used to watch videos of a guy who calls himself "Bald and Bankrupt". An English dude that toured Russia and former Soviet Republics interviewing average citizens and visiting former Soviet monuments and architecture. The average Russian was pretty down to earth, some were alcoholics, obviously, but they all hated the collapse of the Soviet Union. Gorbachev was held in ridicule, with most citizens blaming him for their economic despair. "We used to have sausages!" one lady complained.

Many of their citizens would invite him into their homes and share their meager food and drinks with him. Very friendly and hospitable, he has since been "discovering" South America.

Coming from a former commie shithole, I understand that mentality. For them, the worst thing is NOT that they didnt get sausages (or whatever) it's that their neighbor got some and they didnt. Equity! Everybody equally miserable. At least the common people...When communism was replaced with the wild west of 90's capitalism, everybody couldnt hustle the same and some got a whole sausage factory while other only got a moldy potato. It's tolerable to go to bed hungry knowing that your neighbor is also just as hungry. But to hear them singing and eating while you go hungry...the old days where everyone was hungry was "better"...


You folks scare me the most-because you know what is coming. You call into talk radio, take the rare TV interview...and don't get nearly the attention you should. Can't say we weren't warned...

BTW they have updated "equality" to "equity." Apparently that is some enlightened better version, with none of the shortcomings as that previous "equality" stuff.

I don't want to slide, but I would LOVE to hear your gripes and opinions...feel free to DM man.
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With respect you don’t know what your talking about.
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time for me; but I don't see the evidence to support your version either.  Which I get that's much more immediate for you than me and my casual and distant assessment seems unfair.  I don't see where it has been shown to be wrong.*

More specifically, Ukraine lacks logistics at the top level.  It lacks combined arms training and skills that were commonplace when I served.  It's top command system is still more Soviet than Western.  It's success is stunning as it is almost entirely a bottom up driven event.  It's being driven by individuals right in the mix. And to be fair, the timeline now is way more compressed. A year on this battlefield is probably two or three on a 90s battlefield.

* My military training is also 20+ years past now and the Russians aren't executing doctrine way older than that, so that may skew our respective views as well.
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I think we continually forget that the Ukraine is no great shakes compared to Western arms.  They look good because their enemy is so bad.  And to be fair, while many of those concepts are trained in Western armies, the ability to execute them under fire is meh for a lot of units.
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Back in one of the WWII threads a few years ago, it was pointed out that a brigade or a division is basically a framework.  Some units, like the artillery, suffer generally low casualties and they get experienced and better.  Some suffer heavy casualties like rifle companies and tank crews and in general their skill sets don't really improve, that much, as soldiers and leaders are getting hit and it si a revolving door where the overall proficiency of the unit doesn't really get that much better, and the most expertise rides with the fire supporters.

That being said, this unit had some serious, significant  issues.  

In general, tanks should be around 100 meters apart.  The two tanks separating and going on opposite sides of that bermed terrain feature is a no-no.  I would have said they need a wingman concept and perhaps one stays a little behind to cover the other. But they were too far apart and couldn't see each other, and the BMP scooted off some place.

Risking two tanks and a BMP to take out a Rus squad isn't a great idea in terms of risk.  Moving without troops and artillery and blowing off combined arms is precisely the sort of things we criticized the Russians for last year.

More significantly, UAV usage.  When I first watched it,  at 00:27, when the UAV flew over, I thought, gee, that looks like an AT-5 ATGM.  The Ukrainians should have set the conditions to take that out, drop a grenade, call in artillery, or as a minimum direct the tank toward it.  Really, that's a great use for UAVs when Ukraine takes the offensive.  Kill high pay off targets, namely ATGM crews.  On second thought, maybe that wasn't it; could have been something else, but someday there will be one, and the Ukrainians will have wished that UAV was where it was supposed to be, hovering over the enemy, not playing Steven Spielberg.

Getting in that close without mutual support from another tank, or infantry, is clearly an issue.  Could have mitigated with the UAVs, didn't do that either.  I could see that you could forgo tank-infantry cooperation if you had good tank-UAV cooperation, but they need to stop filming over the shoulder movies and scan for missile teams.

Mirror imaging it, if I had infantry on the defense in a fighting position and was deploying a javelin, a swarm of UAVs hunting friendly AT assets would be very very dangerous.  Lose your AT weapons and the tank can waltz on in.  Little UAVs are better scouts then infantry, really.  But you gotta use it right. It actually occurred to me if you had a lot of UAVs, in a chotic situation, maybe have one carry a red smoke grenade or something and the tankies can pound that if you see an ATGM.  A couple of 125mm shells on a red smoke marker may be a better bet then a 1 pounder.

They won, this time, but their life expectancy isn't good and this shouldn't have been that close.

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1641848860996771841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

All good points. I guess the UA rises or in this case falls to the level of their opponents. The Russians in that attack were pants on head also (probably for some understandable reasons that we tried to hash out a dozen pages ago). So being just a little less retarded than the opponent worked pretty well in the case of the little tank QRF.


I think we continually forget that the Ukraine is no great shakes compared to Western arms.  They look good because their enemy is so bad.  And to be fair, while many of those concepts are trained in Western armies, the ability to execute them under fire is meh for a lot of units.


Armies improve in an incremental fashion, not exponentially.  The improvements will be noticeable when the kids trained to NATO standards have moved up the ranks and are at the Captain/Staff Sergeant level. The major improvements will be noticeable when the initial "NATO kids" are grizzled, combat-experienced Field Grade Officers and Platoon Sergeants/First Sergeants.
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Armies improve in an incremental fashion, not exponentially.  The improvements will be noticeable when the kids trained to NATO standards have moved up the ranks and are at the Captain/Staff Sergeant level. The major improvements will be noticeable when the initial "NATO kids" are grizzled, combat-experienced Field Grade Officers and Platoon Sergeants/First Sergeants.
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Well, Ukraine got caught in an awkward cycle where they were transitioning from a Soviet-style military to a Western one.  In 2014, still mostly Soviet in doctrine and training.  In 2022, way more western; but high turnover and low institutional knowledge.

Best thing Ukraine could do is start pulling their all-stars off the battlefield and make them develop new doctrine/train people.  Which, hard to do in a fight for survival; but that's the way forward.
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the full story on the unarmed Ukrainian soldier executed by Russians -- from today's Wall Street Journal

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How a Ukrainian Soldier’s Final Act of Defiance Made Him a Hero

No one knew how Oleksandr Matsievskiy died until video showed graphic certainty of his end

By Isabel Coles and Ievgeniia Sivorka | Photographs by Joseph Sywenkyj for The Wall Street Journal      March 31, 2023 6:01 am ET

NIZHYN, Ukraine—The Ukrainian platoon was digging in desperately along a tree line in this country’s east when grenades began exploding around it and Russian soldiers crept in from the left.

The 16 Ukrainians fought back as best they could but couldn’t stop the Russians from overrunning a position held by five of their number, including Pvt. Oleksandr Matsievskiy, a 42-year-old electrician who lived with his mother and was new to front-line combat.

As darkness fell, the platoon withdrew to more secure positions, reluctantly leaving the five behind, said some of the soldiers who were there. What happened next remained a mystery for more than two months, even after Pvt. Matsievskiy’s dead body was recovered and buried.

Then, a video surfaced on Russian social media showing an unarmed Pvt. Matsievskiy standing knee-deep in a pit, taking a drag on a cigarette and saying, “Glory to Ukraine.” His apparent captors then open fire, strafing his body with bullets and sending it crumpling to the ground.

Pvt. Matsievskiy’s unassuming defiance struck a chord in this nation that has resisted invasion by its larger neighbor for more than a year.

Every war throws up heroes who display uncommon physical strength or mental acuity to overcome the enemy. Ukraine decorated nearly 200 people with the title “Hero of Ukraine,” the state’s highest award, last year, the most in any year since declaring independence in 1991. But there are also everyman heroes who show courage and defiance in the face of certain death.

Pvt. Oleksandr Matsievskiy has been lauded as a hero since his killing by Russian soldiers was captured in a video.

“He showed that Ukraine’s spirit is unbreakable,” said Pvt. Matsievskiy’s mother, Paraskoviya Demchuk, who received the medal on his behalf. Her son’s stance galvanized Ukrainian resolve at a critical moment in the war as Russia’s onslaught takes an ever-heavier toll.

Pvt. Matsievskiy was born and raised in neighboring Moldova, then also part of the Soviet Union, where his mother was sent to work in a shoe factory.

The young Oleksandr was a sportsman with a willful streak, said Ms. Demchuk. After qualifying as an electrician, he moved to Russia for work, marrying a woman there from his mother’s hometown of Nizhyn in Ukraine. After eight years in Russia, they moved to Nizhyn in 2008 with a young son.

When they split, Pvt. Matsievskiy went to live with his mother, who had also returned to Nizhyn, about 90 miles north of Kyiv. They were living together in a modest house on the edge of the city of some 70,000 inhabitants when Russia invaded Ukraine last year.

With Russian forces at the gates of Nizhyn, Pvt. Matsievskiy joined civilian volunteers in the Territorial Defense Force. “I tried to talk him out of it, but he was really determined,” said Ms. Demchuk.

They were deployed to hold checkpoints and secure villages as Russian troops withdrew last spring.

The demand for fresh units to hold the line in the east of the country grew as the war ground on. Pvt. Matsievskiy brought his mother groceries and a bouquet of flowers before deploying in December, telling her he was heading to the front line.

By Dec. 8, Pvt. Matsievskiy was in Bakhmut, the eastern city that has become a focus of the war, taking the lives of thousands of soldiers on both sides. It was the first real taste of combat for him and many other members of his 163rd Battalion, said Lt. Oleksandr Galystskiy, Pvt. Matsievskiy’s platoon commander.

As an electrician, Pvt. Matsievskiy put his skills to use each time they moved to a new place, rigging up a generator so they could charge their devices.

In a photograph taken in Bakhmut, Pvt. Matsievskiy appears, hand on weapon, with a Band-Aid over his eyebrow covering a cut received when he struck his head while unloading a train. He was obstinate, according to four of the men who served with him, and a heavy smoker. Staff Sgt. Vasyl Zamola, a driver before the war, recalled him declaring he would never be taken captive. Like many Ukrainians brought up in the Soviet Union, he mostly spoke Russian, Sgt. Zamola said.

On the morning of Dec. 30, Pvt. Matsievskiy and 15 others headed for a line of trees near the village of Krasna Hora to support a tank brigade defending the north of Bakhmut.

The men had been digging foxholes for cover for about 15 minutes when Russian forces attacked.

Branches began falling as mortars tore through the trees overhead. “It was getting more and more intense,” said Pvt. Vyacheslav Kovalyov, who took a bullet to the calf and was evacuated from the battlefield along with another soldier.

Russian forces were coming at them in waves, trampling over the bodies of those cut down in front of them, said Sgt. Zamola. Suddenly, he noticed Russian forces to his left, where Pvt. Matsievskiy and four others had been. They had been outflanked.

The men made several attempts to reach Pvt. Matsievskiy’s group as the battle raged through the day, but the gunfire was too intense.

Daylight was waning and their night-vision equipment wasn’t good enough to keep fighting in the dark. An order was given to fall back to better-fortified positions.

“If not, we would all have died,” said Sgt. Zamola.

Paraskoviya Demchuk said that her son showed that Ukraine’s spirit is unbreakable.

At home in Nizhyn, Ms. Demchuk had been trying to distract herself with housework. The last time she had spoken to her son on Dec. 29, he had seemed in good spirits.

He had previously told her not to worry if she didn’t hear from him because cellphone reception near the front lines is patchy. But as days went by without a word, Ms. Demchuk grew anxious. Pvt. Matsievskiy’s was out of service. She couldn’t get through to his company commander.

Rumors began swirling around Nizhyn that the 163rd Battalion had suffered heavy casualties. Ms. Demchuk went to the local enlistment office asking about her son. They didn’t provide any information. Nor did Pvt. Matsievskiy’s military base, nor the police.

The facts began to emerge after the 163rd Battalion returned to base in nearby Chernihiv in early January without Pvt. Matsievskiy. A member of his unit informed Ms. Demchuk her son was missing, likely dead. “How could you leave him there?” she recalled saying.

On Feb. 9, Ms. Demchuk received a call from the police. At a morgue in Kyiv, she was confronted with the bullet-ridden corpse of her only son, recovered as part of an exchange with Russian forces. Part of his head was missing, she said, but there was no mistaking the gash over his eyebrow or the birthmark on his foot.

Days later, Ms. Demchuk buried her son, but questions about how he had died continued to assail her. “A mother needs to know—no matter how painful,” she said.

The answer came to her in the form of a video that flashed up on her phone when she returned home from work one evening and sat down at the kitchen table. It showed a man she recognized instantly as her son standing knee-deep in a ditch with a cigarette dangling from the corner of his mouth.

“Film him!” a male voice off-camera commands in Russian.

Staring directly at the camera, Pvt. Matsievskiy takes a deep drag from his cigarette before saying in a calm, steady voice: “Glory to Ukraine.”

A barrage of automatic gunfire cuts him down.

The 12-second clip had surfaced on a Telegram channel affiliated with Russia’s paramilitary Wagner Group and soon ripped across the internet, spawning memes and a hashtag that topped global Twitter trends. In Ukraine, it provoked an outcry.

In his address to the nation that night, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky pledged to find the killers, rallying the nation with the man’s final words. “I want us all together, in unity, to respond: ‘Glory to the hero! Glory to heroes! Glory to Ukraine!’”

Pvt. Matsievskiy’s fellow soldiers had also recognized him immediately and informed their commander, but it took Ukrainian security services nearly a week to confirm his identity. During that time, the Ukrainian military identified the man in the video as a different missing soldier, sowing confusion.

Within hours of the confirmation, Mr. Zelensky had conferred the “Hero of Ukraine” award on Pvt. Matsievskiy.

Russia didn’t comment on the video. Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin cast doubt on its authenticity and said there was no evidence his forces were involved.

For his mother, there is some solace in the phone calls, letters and poems she receives extolling Pvt. Matsievskiy’s bravery, and thanking her for raising a patriot. There are plans to rename a street in Nizhyn after him and erect a monument in his honor.

Despite the graphic certainty of his end, questions remain about the moments leading up to it: When and where exactly did it happen? Did Pvt. Matsievskiy’s words prompt his killers to open fire, or were they about to shoot him anyway?

The fate of two of the soldiers who went missing with Pvt. Matsievskiy is also unknown.

The other two whose remains were recovered with Pvt. Matsievskiy’s are buried near him in Nizhyn, alongside 81 other men from the city who have been killed in action since Russia’s invasion.

“Every fighter in the Ukrainian army has such a spirit,” said his mother. “Perhaps many others said such words, but they weren’t recorded.”   Pvt. Matsievskiy’s unassuming defiance struck a chord in this nation that has resisted invasion by Russia for more than a year.

Write to Isabel Coles at [email protected]

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Glory to the hero!
RIP  Pvt. Oleksandr Matsievskiy.
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Question:  Is that a proper Mosin sniper setup?  The reason I ask is that most of the sniper-variants I have run across I seem to recall had a downturned bolt handle.
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Is this video true?  Kind of looks like someone taking advantage of Predator's 15 minutes of fame?  I hope I am wrong but something about this video looks weird.
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IDK, looks legit to me. Translation is ridiculously shitty and 5.56 ball at more than a buck per round really blows.
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Keeping those guns fed is going to be way more important than infantry training.
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We will see how well the western training went when the counter offensive kicks off. All these thousands we hear about now wrapping up training aren't on the frontlines.


Keeping those guns fed is going to be way more important than infantry training.


Ok. You brought up the training tho?
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Question:  Is that a proper Mosin sniper setup?  The reason I ask is that most of the sniper-variants I have run across I seem to recall had a downturned bolt handle.
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Anything a mosin can do a basic ar15 can do better plus being able to aid in assaults
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Russia actually claimed they could beat Ukraine in 2 days and declared victory on day 2 of the war. They quickly retracted that however
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Paul Manafort would often go around Trump, which is why Trump didn't trust him.  Unfortunately, Trump didn't have a lot of options as his opponents within the Republican party were truing to contest his nomination at the convention, and the only person on "his side" who any experience with this sort of thing was.....Paul Manafort.  Once he was inaugurated, several prominent "pro-Ukrainians were key members of the so-called "resistance" (LTC Alexander Vindman and his Karenesqe wife anyone?).   Throw in the Burisma/Hunter Biden thing and you can see where this leads.   Where Trump is just like most other politicians is that he is somewhat shallow, egotistical, vain, and holds grudges.  If you could inhibit his will to do and build great things, wreck his understanding of finance and mathematics, dull his inherent respect for the military, and the "laboring" classes, and knock about 60 points off his IQ, he'd be Joe Biden. only less corrupt.. Trump was also poorly served by many of the people he did appoint, often on the recommendation of others, and many folks who were pro-Ukraine among his appointees were also the ones who are most associated with the shenanigans to undermine him.  Given the current circumstances, such as the Invasion, a completely different Ukrainian Government, with Zelensky actually being a Trump-like candidate who was deeply unpopular with the Uke Deep State and establishment before the war, as well as the fact that much of the Uke "Deep State" responsible for assisting in the anti-Trump shenanigans previously is out of work (having been fired for corruption and/or incompetence), in exile, or has been arrested  for corruption and/or anti-Ukrainian/pro-Russian activates, Trump should be pro-Ukraine.  However, we live in the real world, where objective facts often take a long time to overcome hurt feelings, especially among the egotistical, which describes 99% of our political class.  In a better world than this, Ukraine would have had the sort of allies in DC that were ready from Day 1 to go to the mat for them, not offer strongly-worded protests and a plane-ride to escape until they were shamed into 'doing the "right thing" by the sacrifices of the Ukrainian citizenry when it was almost too late.
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Damn dude, you are batting 1000 with these posts.
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Ok. You brought up the training tho?
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We will see how well the western training went when the counter offensive kicks off. All these thousands we hear about now wrapping up training aren't on the frontlines.


Keeping those guns fed is going to be way more important than infantry training.


Ok. You brought up the training tho?


It doesn't matter how highly trained you are if you've got no ammo.  Though, more typically in this situation, it would be you can't get fire support due to lack of shells or no fuel for armor to support.  Great logistics can support a lot of "fresh meat" approach.
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It doesn't matter how highly trained you are if you've got no ammo.  Though, more typically in this situation, it would be you can't get fire support due to lack of shells or no fuel for armor to support.  Great logistics can support a lot of "fresh meat" approach.
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Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts:
Originally Posted By Freiheit8472:

We will see how well the western training went when the counter offensive kicks off. All these thousands we hear about now wrapping up training aren't on the frontlines.


Keeping those guns fed is going to be way more important than infantry training.


Ok. You brought up the training tho?


It doesn't matter how highly trained you are if you've got no ammo.  Though, more typically in this situation, it would be you can't get fire support due to lack of shells or no fuel for armor to support.  Great logistics can support a lot of "fresh meat" approach.


I do not know why you are telling me this. Are you responding to someone else’s arguments?

This is extra confusing because I don’t see anyone else making a counter point to what you are countering.
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I do not know why you are telling me this. Are you responding to someone else’s arguments?

This is extra confusing because I don’t see anyone else making a counter point to what you are countering.
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I said logistics would be more important than training; and you answered "but you brought up training though." Clearly, we have a disconnect in communication. So, let's get back to basics.  What do you perceive me to be saying?
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The better deal is the polymer links for pkms, and plastic or cloth nutsacks. The PKM is besty saddled to a crappy old cartridge. But getting the weight down with a shorter barrel, plastic links, one heavy 18” barrel instead of a 26” or whatever, new bipod from carbon fiber,  plus a pic rail makes it a real winner. The polymer links are pricey though as they arnt made in large numbers. Shame because they do work. Saves a ton of weight and makes the backpack a functional item. Yes they are there and used for some stuff. Usually the new guy gets the mg on the SSO teams, the big guy the radio. That’s changing since the radios arnt 50lbs anymore. If the retard strong guy gets the PK, something like this is possible to be employed. If not it’s a range toy. I tried one on with polymer links at a trade show and it was still waaay to heavy I thought but I’m not the hulk smashing brick guy either.
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7.62 Ghostbuster coming for the Orcs.

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The better deal is the polymer links for pkms, and plastic or cloth nutsacks. The PKM is besty saddled to a crappy old cartridge. But getting the weight down with a shorter barrel, plastic links, one heavy 18” barrel instead of a 26” or whatever, new bipod from carbon fiber,  plus a pic rail makes it a real winner. The polymer links are pricey though as they arnt made in large numbers. Shame because they do work. Saves a ton of weight and makes the backpack a functional item. Yes they are there and used for some stuff. Usually the new guy gets the mg on the SSO teams, the big guy the radio. That’s changing since the radios arnt 50lbs anymore. If the retard strong guy gets the PK, something like this is possible to be employed. If not it’s a range toy. I tried one on with polymer links at a trade show and it was still waaay to heavy I thought but I’m not the hulk smashing brick guy either.


Ah great info, I recall reading years ago in TFB about the polymer links, and how they are possible with the 'pull out' feed of the PKM but not with the western style of 'push through' links like the M240.

Can you confirm, are the polymer links seeing combat?

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/06/29/ukraines-plastic-machine-gun-belts/

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Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly:


Question:  Is that a proper Mosin sniper setup?  The reason I ask is that most of the sniper-variants I have run across I seem to recall had a downturned bolt handle.
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Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly:


Question:  Is that a proper Mosin sniper setup?  The reason I ask is that most of the sniper-variants I have run across I seem to recall had a downturned bolt handle.


No idea, just a meme I stole from NCD

https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/127h985/glorious_soviet_mic/

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Found the source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/127eb71/footage_of_russian_troops_using_old_mosinnagants/
Link Posted: 4/1/2023 3:01:31 AM EDT
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He also said DeSantis and Sen. Mitt Romney were "very much alike" and that they "insist on arrogantly treating Russia as deeply inferior to the other nations of the world,


Yeah, well, it is inferior to other nations of the world.
Link Posted: 4/1/2023 3:48:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

Thats actually a pretty cool video. But I'm a big LOTR fan. And it's nice to see the orcs embracing their orc-ness. Fucking subhuman savages can be proud too...
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Wow



PREMIERE: Wagner Orchestra - Evil Orc's March

We find it unfair that only Russian-speaking listeners can enjoy our wonderful content.

So we are in a hurry to bring to your attention the international battle march of the evil orcs.

https://t.me/rsotmdivision/6209

Thats actually a pretty cool video. But I'm a big LOTR fan. And it's nice to see the orcs embracing their orc-ness. Fucking subhuman savages can be proud too...



idk how any one could find that video cool... its dumb, the dance moves are ghey af.. and it doesnt even make sense.  they couldnt even do a good job of making a decent song.. they cant put words together...ffs that was garbage
Link Posted: 4/1/2023 4:22:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:



Yeah, well, it is inferior to other nations of the world.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

He also said DeSantis and Sen. Mitt Romney were "very much alike" and that they "insist on arrogantly treating Russia as deeply inferior to the other nations of the world,


Yeah, well, it is inferior to other nations of the world.

 The truth hurts. It is a nation that feeds on freedom, dignity, and prosperity like a parasite, sucking its people and neighbors dry at every opportunity. That's deeply inferior in my book.


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My new friends are here. I just got back from the post office. Thanks to those that helped me get this quickly and before our trip this week.

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I bought one of these covers as well. They sent it off to the seamstress with some materials. We plan to start making helmet covers for high cut helmets too. This will serve as our pattern to make our own.
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Maybe even some of these.
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Link Posted: 4/1/2023 7:12:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:

If you want to get technical about it. Europe/germany has huge deposits of gas and oil right there, and the fucking idiots seem to think it is ok to buy from someone else instead of pumping it themselves. They are insane.
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Pretty much like here
Link Posted: 4/1/2023 7:26:55 AM EDT
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https://vk.com/wall-27532693_3988128




https://english.nv.ua/nation/russia-suffered-irreparable-losses-during-kyiv-offensive-last-year-50314694.html




Not a civil Governor, that’s translation. As above, head of the church/monastery.

https://ria.ru/20230401/pavel-1862313902.html




Link Posted: 4/1/2023 7:27:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Easterner:
My new friends are here. I just got back from the post office. Thanks to those that helped me get this quickly and before our trip this week.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230401_115212_jpg-2766134.JPG
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20230401_115245_jpg-2766135.JPG

I bought one of these covers as well. They sent it off to the seamstress with some materials. We plan to start making helmet covers for high cut helmets too. This will serve as our pattern to make our own.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/b1ad6bab1256c3f92dbd60e258c0e7d4_jpg-2766136.JPG

Maybe even some of these.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG-ffa4088cfd6efed1bd387e42e953284b-V_j-2766137.JPG
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Well done!  

I know it goes without saying but I am going to say it anyways.  Be careful out there.  Another corny American sending prayers up for your safety!  


Link Posted: 4/1/2023 7:28:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsnMLBZX0AADMvt?format=jpg&name=small

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“More info here”
Link Posted: 4/1/2023 7:50:59 AM EDT
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https://hromadske.ua/posts/general-milli-ssha-ne-planuyut-nadavati-ukrayini-atacms-raketi-mozhna-zaminiti-bezpilotnikami




Link Posted: 4/1/2023 7:51:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly:


Armies improve in an incremental fashion, not exponentially.  The improvements will be noticeable when the kids trained to NATO standards have moved up the ranks and are at the Captain/Staff Sergeant level. The major improvements will be noticeable when the initial "NATO kids" are grizzled, combat-experienced Field Grade Officers and Platoon Sergeants/First Sergeants.
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maybe in peacetime that's true.  in wartime i'd assess it's more exponential.

look at the US Army at the advent of WW2.  performed relatively poorly initially in North Africa vs. experienced German troops; initial stages of island hopping in the Pacific.   Fast forward 18 months and they were doing a LOT better.  fast forward a bit more and you have the massive D-Day invasion -- airborne, conventional, naval armada...

i do believe we on this board focus on the 'hardware' we see in the pics / vids.   i am also interested in the details of the other 'Battlefield Operating Systems' we DON'T see / hear much about.

Intel / counter-intel. Logistics. Command-Control / Signal. Engineering.  Leadership development.  etc    but we likely will not get the info on that stuff until this is all over ...
Link Posted: 4/1/2023 7:58:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts:


Best thing Ukraine could do is start pulling their all-stars off the battlefield and make them develop new doctrine/train people.  Which, hard to do in a fight for survival; but that's the way forward.
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110% this

i've read it's why our pilots / Air corps in WW2 were so good -- we did exactly that.   our opponents did not.  
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