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Link Posted: 9/17/2023 5:22:55 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/17/2023 5:42:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:
any word on the missile strikes tonight?
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Oooo, I was hoping to see something like this.



Link Posted: 9/17/2023 5:50:56 AM EDT
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6NwkLoWcAEcgGb?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6NwkbKW0AAQhGc?format=jpg&name=large


Oooo, I was hoping to see something like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6M8VJIXoAAETVL?format=jpg&name=large

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Originally Posted By Prime:
Originally Posted By AROKIE:
any word on the missile strikes tonight?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6NwkLoWcAEcgGb?format=jpg&name=large
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Oooo, I was hoping to see something like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6M8VJIXoAAETVL?format=jpg&name=large



Is that the route the missile took?
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 6:03:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:


Is that the route the missile took?
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Yeah, each city it heads toward has to run to shelters, so they did a tour of the whole country last night.

Almost as big a dick move as blowing up food

Link Posted: 9/17/2023 6:26:38 AM EDT
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De-occupied treeline

[Roy Kent] FUCKING HELL [/Roy Kent]







Shooting and liquidation of underground mines in Andriivka.
The occupiers proved that they were "Russian" and turned into 200 by the efforts of attack aircraft from the "MYRON" platoon. The work of the 2nd company of the 2nd assault battalion.



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Originally Posted By bigstick61:
The picture is of the destroyer Smetlivy.  She was decommissioned shortly before the war to be turned into a museum.  Was she reactivated for the war?  What is the reason for the photo of her?
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LOL, Russians mad
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 6:31:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:


As far as I can tell, this was the initial Chechen TG post-

Ramzan is currently in a coma.
https://t.me/niysoo/8453


Russian TG post claiming he was moved to Moscow-

Ramzan Kadyrov lies in a coma in the Central Clinical Hospital of the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation. He has very serious kidney problems.
https://t.me/chernogaev/21419

Everything else comes from this online news site-

The condition of the head of Chechnya Kadyrov has worsened: what is known

OBOZREVATEL learned about this from its own intelligence sources. On the eve of the sources of our publication in the Chechen diaspora reported that Kadyrov has been in a coma for several days.

It was noted that he was taken by plane to Moscow, but there the doctors could not help, after which Kadyrov was returned back to Chechnya. So far, they plan to transport him abroad for treatment, most likely to the UAE.


https://news.obozrevatel.com/russia/sostoyanie-glavyi-chechni-kadyirova-uhudshilos-chto-izvestno.htm

https://news.obozrevatel.com/ukr/russia/kadirov-u-komi-v-gur-pidtverdili-informatsiyu-pro-kritichnij-stan-glavi-chechni.htm


Two more posts on his TG account today, but again they are the sort of things a PR person would write.

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And now there's this, from a very untrustworthy source...


Link Posted: 9/17/2023 7:55:25 AM EDT
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Ukraine Says Special Forces Made Amphibious Landing in Sevastopol Before Storm Shadow Strike!
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 8:33:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lokjell:
Was just seeing on Twitter that 2 British fighters have been found dead not at the front lines.  Jordan Chadwick was found dead with hands bound. And don't know details of Dan Burke who was just found.  Please be careful outvther @Easterner

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Yes unfortunately we hear about guys that came through as KIA. Out of respect for the families to be notified, we don't spread that info. Eventually it hits the news cycle.

@Lokjell
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 8:50:19 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/17/2023 8:51:53 AM EDT
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nsfw.


option for the invaders to survive and preserve their  health and limbs.
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Link Posted: 9/17/2023 8:53:10 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/17/2023 9:04:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lokjell:
Was just seeing on Twitter that 2 British fighters have been found dead not at the front lines.  Jordan Chadwick was found dead with hands bound. And don't know details of Dan Burke who was just found.  Please be careful outvther @Easterner

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About the first 5 minutes.

More Information Has Come Forward, A Horrific Situation - Ukraine War Map Analysis & News
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 10:11:16 AM EDT
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That is interesting to consider.   It might be feasible if they can knock out enough air defenses.
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Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:


I would be interested in hearing your thoughts.

Not many troops behind the front lines... not many manpads.

Create gaps in longer range radar. Exploit with airborne forces ...

Probably plenty of spots one could have fun choppering in a few howitzers or mortar teams



That is interesting to consider.   It might be feasible if they can knock out enough air defenses.

If I'm not mistaken, the Army did that in Vietnam. Blast an instant LZ, bring in some arty and a small defense force, and have fun with your new arty fan for a while and then pull it back out. I might be mistaken on that but I seem to remember that.
Kind of like an updated artillery charge from the Napoleonic/ACW period. Run your guns up and dispense wholesale assbeating and then move back before someone can do anything about it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 10:40:16 AM EDT
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Even with those losses, the damn Russians are still throwing their people into an unwinnable war of aggression.  Incredibly irrational.  Just dumbfounding.

The logical thing to do at this point is to just inundate Ukraine with equipment, long range precision weapons and delivery vehicles to target infrastructure as well as military bases and equipment. Make the Russian occupation so untenable that their people either abandon post and leave, or starve to death or get blown to shit.
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 10:56:36 AM EDT
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1420 asks, can we win this war? Thoughtful replies. Most seem to have the default mentality that Russia is just too big and too great to lose. They must not even mention the Russo-Japanese war in their history books.

Link Posted: 9/17/2023 11:20:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
1420 asks, can we win this war? Thoughtful replies. Most seem to have the default mentality that Russia is just too big and too great to lose. They must not even mention the Russo-Japanese war in their history books.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrPZHL1FZfo
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Oh I'm sure the leadership, at least, remembers that they lost in 1905 because civil unrest made them seek peace before they had a chance to bring their material superiority to bear.  Seems like they forgot the part about the high command assuring the Czar that the Japanese would be pushovers and there was no need for comprehensive mobilization before the war.
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 11:20:49 AM EDT
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Good article about Chechnya fight for freedom and suffering under Russia
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 11:36:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:
This is a legitimate article from Ukrainian press.
It is naturally only being shared by accounts who preface it with "to the last Ukrainian".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6JYzIrWgAAOS69?format=jpg&name=medium

In addition, Berezhnoy said that a large mechanized brigade would soon be created in the region, so he asked the deputies to “fully assist this process” and strengthen mobilization processes.

In particular, he called for the establishment of sites in Poltava to notify those liable for military service.

“In the revelations of the Poltava military commissar about large losses among the mobilized, another figure attracts attention - the failure to implement the General Staff’s plan for mobilization.

According to the military commissar, in Poltava the plan was fulfilled by only 13%, and this is the worst indicator in the region (which is natural - in a large city it is easier to hide from mobilization than in a village or small town).

There have been rumors before that the command’s plans for mobilization in Ukraine are chronically not being fulfilled due to corruption and the massive “slope” of those liable for military service.

But for the first time, a specific figure was named, which eloquently shows the scale of the problem.

And this also explains the increasingly stringent measures that the authorities are taking in attempts to intensify mobilization.

Another question is how effective such attempts will be in the conditions of corruption of the conscription system and related areas, as well as the desire of many people liable for military service to avoid mobilization by all means,” the Telegram channel “Country Politics” comments on the situation .

Also commented on the statement of the Poltava military commissar and sniper of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Konstantin Proshinsky (call sign “Grandfather”).

“In fact, these are true figures for our unit, including... Some have even less (remained in service - Ed.),” said a fighter fighting near Bakhmut.


https://strana.today/news/445457-nachalnik-poltavskoho-ttsk-rasskazal-o-situatsii-s-mobilizatsiej-v-svoem-okruhe.html



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Really, really hate to read this but thank you for posting. Our slow walk of direct "technical" military assistance, much of it old stuff we will never use, may end up being their/AFU undoing.

On the other side of the fence the Russian .mil says no rotations until the SMO is over which basically equates to the only way out of the trenches is a death sentence or, for the lucky ones, a catastrophic injury but one where the person actually makes it off the field and survives.  Same deal no matter if the soldier is part of a future mobilization or the prior one.  The Russians don't have enough arty to effectively cover their ops in the field but they have enough to nuke the RU troops they think are trying to surrender.

When will these RU troops realize they are shooting in the wrong direction?
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 11:55:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
1420 asks, can we win this war? Thoughtful replies. Most seem to have the default mentality that Russia is just too big and too great to lose. They must not even mention the Russo-Japanese war in their history books.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrPZHL1FZfo
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The first Chechen War and the Soviet-Afghan War both happened within living memory for many Russians.
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 11:59:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fisherman:
Really, really hate to read this but thank you for posting. Our slow walk of direct "technical" military assistance, much of it old stuff we will never use, may end up being their/AFU undoing.

On the other side of the fence the Russian .mil says no rotations until the SMO is over which basically equates to the only way out of the trenches is a death sentence or, for the lucky ones, a catastrophic injury but one where the person actually makes it off the field and survives.  Same deal no matter if the soldier is part of a future mobilization or the prior one.  The Russians don't have enough arty to effectively cover their ops in the field but they have enough to nuke the RU troops they think are trying to surrender.

When will these RU troops realize they are shooting in the wrong direction?
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Never.

Russians are fighting hard for their side. They only surrender when they really have no way out. They are willing to go into hot zones even with bad leadership, bad intel, bad decision making and fight as hard as they can.

The vast majority of them truly believe they are fighting for the freedom of their people. They are fighting for their children and their future.

Check out this video from Mardan:

Russian schools are good and wholesome, safe places for kids to learn the things they should learn. Ukraine brainwashes kids with Nazi propaganda, teaches them to hate Russians, which is bizarre, because the ARE Russians, and they have classes meeting in dark basements singing horrid Nazi songs. Who wouldn't fight against UkroNazis?
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 12:00:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:
This is a legitimate article from Ukrainian press.
It is naturally only being shared by accounts who preface it with "to the last Ukrainian".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6JYzIrWgAAOS69?format=jpg&name=medium

In addition, Berezhnoy said that a large mechanized brigade would soon be created in the region, so he asked the deputies to “fully assist this process” and strengthen mobilization processes.

In particular, he called for the establishment of sites in Poltava to notify those liable for military service.

“In the revelations of the Poltava military commissar about large losses among the mobilized, another figure attracts attention - the failure to implement the General Staff’s plan for mobilization.

According to the military commissar, in Poltava the plan was fulfilled by only 13%, and this is the worst indicator in the region (which is natural - in a large city it is easier to hide from mobilization than in a village or small town).

There have been rumors before that the command’s plans for mobilization in Ukraine are chronically not being fulfilled due to corruption and the massive “slope” of those liable for military service.

But for the first time, a specific figure was named, which eloquently shows the scale of the problem.

And this also explains the increasingly stringent measures that the authorities are taking in attempts to intensify mobilization.

Another question is how effective such attempts will be in the conditions of corruption of the conscription system and related areas, as well as the desire of many people liable for military service to avoid mobilization by all means,” the Telegram channel “Country Politics” comments on the situation .

Also commented on the statement of the Poltava military commissar and sniper of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Konstantin Proshinsky (call sign “Grandfather”).

“In fact, these are true figures for our unit, including... Some have even less (remained in service - Ed.),” said a fighter fighting near Bakhmut.


https://strana.today/news/445457-nachalnik-poltavskoho-ttsk-rasskazal-o-situatsii-s-mobilizatsiej-v-svoem-okruhe.html



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I could believe such losses for some specific units that took part in a specific failed attack or delaying Op. But NOT for the UA at large. Same with some Russian units that have been largely destroyed.
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 12:10:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

Never.

Russians are fighting hard for their side. They only surrender when they really have no way out. They are willing to go into hot zones even with bad leadership, bad intel, bad decision making and fight as hard as they can.

The vast majority of them truly believe they are fighting for the freedom of their people. They are fighting for their children and their future.

Check out this video from Mardan:

Russian schools are good and wholesome, safe places for kids to learn the things they should learn. Ukraine brainwashes kids with Nazi propaganda, teaches them to hate Russians, which is bizarre, because the ARE Russians, and they have classes meeting in dark basements singing horrid Nazi songs. Who wouldn't fight against UkroNazis?
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Yeah I think you are correct. It is hard to believe, watching Russians fight to the death despite everything. But they dont know what we know...that they are fighting in a criminal aggression army, attacking and murdering innocent people out of jealousy and self-loathing. They are basically mushrooms.
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 12:48:07 PM EDT
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Russian Defence Production 2023 - Can Russia keep up with equipment attrition in Ukraine?
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Link Posted: 9/17/2023 1:01:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
I agree, we should not cheer war crimes of any sort.

Of course what if the ones surrendering were the ones who recorded themselves torturing and executing prisoners themselves?
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Surrendering Russians should not be murdered, even if by other Russians.

We should never be celebrating war crimes, even if the targets of those crimes are the bad guys.

Side note: the Russians who shot the prisoner whose last words were "glory to Ukraine" were probably thinking "die trash" as well.  Not a good look.
I agree, we should not cheer war crimes of any sort.

Of course what if the ones surrendering were the ones who recorded themselves torturing and executing prisoners themselves?



If so, it'd definitely be just desserts.

But how would we know that for sure?
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 1:02:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
1420 asks, can we win this war? Thoughtful replies. Most seem to have the default mentality that Russia is just too big and too great to lose. They must not even mention the Russo-Japanese war in their history books.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrPZHL1FZfo
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One of the interviewees is currently in prison and facing 15-20 years for saying the wrong thing in one of these videos. I can't believe russians are still brave or stupid enough to say anything that does not openly support the war. They will just be disappeared into a police station and forgotten.
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 1:04:59 PM EDT
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US Delivers Industrial-Size 3D Printers To Ukraine; Can Print Crucial Military Parts That Are Difficult To Obtain

Ukraine has recently obtained advanced industrial-level 3D printers from the United States, enabling them to produce crucial spare parts for military equipment.

William LaPlant, the US Under Secretary of Defense for Procurement and Maintenance, announced this delivery in August. He stated that Ukrainians completed training on operating these printers just last week.

During a speech at the Center for a New American Security, LaPlant stated, “Finally, last month we delivered these industrial 3D printers to them in Ukraine, and last week their training on working with this printer was completed.”

The official also mentioned the presence of a 3D printer as large as a truck. This massive printer allows Ukraine to manufacture all the required parts for various military applications, enhancing its self-sufficiency and operational capacity.

LaPlante pointed out that 3D printers on the Ukrainian side are a game-changer, as they expedite the restoration of frontline-damaged equipment and unlock fresh possibilities.

The official added that the capabilities of 3D printing are remarkable, and it extends beyond just speed. It enables the creation of parts that would be challenging or impossible to produce using traditional methods under normal conditions.

He suggested that following the commencement of the full-scale Russian invasion, Ukrainian specialists took matters into their own hands and started 3D printing parts even without the required authorizations and technical data packages.

The official remarked that in times of an existential threat to one’s country, concerns about intellectual property laws tend to take a backseat.

He further added that efforts were made to rectify this situation in collaboration with other countries, ensuring that Ukrainians now possess all the required technical data packages for their 3D printing needs.

This action aimed to provide them with the necessary resources to address the challenges posed by the conflict and support their defense efforts effectively.

However, the US official did not provide specific details regarding the number of these printers sent to Ukraine.

The Use Of 3D Printers In Ukraine Conflict

In the ongoing war, the advantages of 3D printing technology become abundantly evident, thanks to its remarkable adaptability and swift production capabilities. These merits substantially alleviate the logistical complexities of transporting essential resources to the frontlines.

Most 3D printers are compact and can be seamlessly installed in subterranean bunkers, an ideal scenario for facilitating wartime production.

Moreover, the inherent capabilities of 3D printing also offer a strategic advantage. This technology permits the efficient mass production of crucial components simultaneously across multiple locations.

Following the Russian invasion in February 2022, Ukrainian troops demonstrated resourcefulness by incorporating ammunition crafted with 3D printers. Additionally, these printers were employed to manufacture components, such as plastic shanks, to modify regular ammunition for release from drones and other devices.

As previously highlighted by The Economist, Ukraine has turned to “candy bombs” as a response to shortages in weapons and ammunition. The publication interviewed various amateur groups actively involved in this unconventional effort.

https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Polish_20230916_113535317.jpg

One specific group specializing in producing 3D-printed bombs has successfully manufactured over 30,000 of these devices within four months. The leader of that group, identified as “Swat,” emphasized that production is continuously on the rise.

Concurrently, another group crafting casings for 800-gram anti-personnel bombs shared that they currently produce around 1,000 per week. However, the group will increase this output to an ambitious target of 1,500 daily casings. These 3D-printed casings are subsequently filled with C4 explosives.

3D-printed items like these have their share of disadvantages; one notable drawback is their composition, often reliant on plastics, which can result in potential durability issues.

Moreover, due to their usual lack of mass production compared to conventional factory-made products, there is a likelihood that they could come with an elevated price.

However, when viewed within an emergency or crisis, these drawbacks appear minor compared to the considerable benefits they bring.

In a conflict situation, the advantages of rapid production, adaptability, and the ability to manufacture essential items locally often far outweigh material durability and cost concerns.


https://www.eurasiantimes.com/us-delivers-industrial-size-3d-printers-to-ukraine-can-print-crucial-military-parts-that-are-difficult-to-produce/



Adding this, though I'm not certain this is the exact model.

https://3dprintingindustry.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/ExOnes-portable-3D-printing-factory.-Image-via-ExOne..png

Binder jet 3D printer OEM ExOne is set to develop a portable 3D printing factory for the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) after being awarded a $1.6M contract by the Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) last August.

Currently under development, the ‘rugged 3D printing pod’ will be housed in a standard 40-foot shipping container. It will contain everything the armed forces might need to address the problem of spare part production in the field and will be deployable via land, air, or sea. To help speed up the development of the factory, ExOne is working in collaboration with materials engineering firm Dynovas and tooling manufacturer Applied Composites.

John Hartner, CEO of ExOne, states, “Binder jet 3D printing is a critical manufacturing technology for military use because of its speed, flexibility of materials, and ease of use. We’re excited to collaborate with the U.S. Department of Defense and other partners to make our 3D printers more rugged for the military, which will also benefit our other manufacturing customers. Most importantly, we know that years from now, our technology will play an important role in filling critical needs quickly.”

https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/mobile-3d-printing-factory-for-u-s-department-of-defense-under-development-by-exone-184544/

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looks like we are on our way
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Standard_Template_Construct_(STC)
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 1:09:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

Never.

Russians are fighting hard for their side. They only surrender when they really have no way out. They are willing to go into hot zones even with bad leadership, bad intel, bad decision making and fight as hard as they can.

The vast majority of them truly believe they are fighting for the freedom of their people. They are fighting for their children and their future.

Check out this video from Mardan:

Russian schools are good and wholesome, safe places for kids to learn the things they should learn. Ukraine brainwashes kids with Nazi propaganda, teaches them to hate Russians, which is bizarre, because the ARE Russians, and they have classes meeting in dark basements singing horrid Nazi songs. Who wouldn't fight against UkroNazis?
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All of this needs to be repeated frequently. Russians are not even going to refuse to die when they know it is for nothing. They will continue to fight for russia even when they are openly being treated like disposable garbage. They are not going to stand up for themselves. They are not going to stop supporting the invasion of Ukraine. They are not going to stop behaving like battered wives. People need to give up the hope that they might behave differently, they won't. The "freedom for russia legion" seems to have found all of the sort-of-normal people in the whole country.
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In case anyone needs the reference again for popular support for Ukrainian sovereignty, here are the images to the 1991 independence vote and the 2014 Pew study (after Crimean invasion, but before Donbas invasion). The Pew study in 2014 also specifically found that Russian-speakers in Ukraine support Ukrainian sovereignty by a large margin.



Link Posted: 9/17/2023 1:35:48 PM EDT
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Raptor gets a new BFF.

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Huh, is that a bow machine gun on that Mi-8?
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 1:40:47 PM EDT
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Raptor gets a new BFF.

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I just feel the urge to snap into a slim jim after watching that.

Link Posted: 9/17/2023 1:45:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
In case anyone needs the reference again for popular support for Ukrainian sovereignty, here are the images to the 1991 independence vote and the 2014 Pew study (after Crimean invasion, but before Donbas invasion). The Pew study in 2014 also specifically found that Russian-speakers in Ukraine support Ukrainian sovereignty by a large margin.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Ukraine_LeftAffixedMaps_3.png

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/05/PG_14.05.09_UrkraineMap_Chart_6.6in.png?resize=1400,1296
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Considering it was only 54% “for succession” in Crimea after a Russian invasion/Russian “election/poll supervision” it says a lot.

GD cites the “Crimea wants to leave” clown-line a lot.
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 1:53:15 PM EDT
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questionable...


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Every Friday, Naalsio (a member of the Oryx team) posts an updated spreadsheet of visually confirmed losses of both Ukraine and Russia on the Zaporizhzhia axis as part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. As a whole, Ukraine has generally kept its losses about equal with Russia's. In recent weeks, however, the difference between Ukrainian and Russian losses has been trending in Ukraine's favor. Last week, Russian losses surpassed Ukrainian. This week marks a continuation of that trend, with Russian losses continuing to grow.

Here's a great visualization of these losses.

In a similar vein, T-80s have been dropping as a percentage of Russian tank losses in recent months, falling from upwards of 60% in June to 24% in September thus far. It's not known why this is the case. Russia could be depleting its stock of T-80s rapidly, different units could be getting pushed to the front, or a combination of factors such as these. Interestingly, T-90 losses have climbed from around 4% in July, to 10% in August, to 24% in September.

Finally, The UAF has continued taking ground around Robotyne and Verbove, but the pace has slowed significantly since Russia committed major reinforcements to the sector. Kofman seems to suggest that were seeing a period of attrition at the moment and that Ukraine will make another push in due time.
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 2:02:33 PM EDT
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Considering it was only 54% “for succession” in Crimea after a Russian invasion/Russian “election/poll supervision” it says a lot.

GD cites the “Crimea wants to leave” clown-line a lot.
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Originally Posted By kncook:
Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
In case anyone needs the reference again for popular support for Ukrainian sovereignty, here are the images to the 1991 independence vote and the 2014 Pew study (after Crimean invasion, but before Donbas invasion). The Pew study in 2014 also specifically found that Russian-speakers in Ukraine support Ukrainian sovereignty by a large margin.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Ukraine_LeftAffixedMaps_3.png

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/05/PG_14.05.09_UrkraineMap_Chart_6.6in.png?resize=1400,1296


Considering it was only 54% “for succession” in Crimea after a Russian invasion/Russian “election/poll supervision” it says a lot.

GD cites the “Crimea wants to leave” clown-line a lot.

Let's just ignore the reality that pro-Russian sentiment wasn't nearly as common in the east and in Crimea as the apologists make it out to have been. In the American southwest, there are plenty of Mexicans who speak Spanish as their first language and culturally identify more with Mexico than the US, with a number of polls indicating that substantial amounts of Mexicans in the region believes that it rightfully belongs to Mexico, not the US. Would that make the Mexican government justified in targeting massive amounts of propaganda at that diaspora, giving them weapons, and sending SOF and intelligence assets into the region, with the ultimate goal being to foment a rebellion? And, once that rebellion started failing, would the Mexican government be justified in committing multiple armored brigades to fight in the American southwest? Fuck no.
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
questionable...


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Russia is basically just generating Rubles out of thin air right now. They are their own banking system. The Ruble valuation externally is based on what Russia is willing to trade for oil. The people still using the oil are paying in other currency and Russia is calling that amount XXX,XXX,XXX Rubles. External traders are nodding their head and publishing that valuation as an exchange rate. Even though nobody (Not even Russia) is buying Rubles from the traders.

From a historical perspective, it's much worse than the Weimar Republic or Zimbabwe. The only thing preventing a horrible collapse for them is banks not wanting to take a multi-billion dollar write off on the Rubles they were left holding. (and maybe fear of Putin serving their tea)

Moral: Putin is probably handing out money like candy. It's the only thing keeping him alive right now and it costs him nothing.
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 2:18:35 PM EDT
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Russian widow: “Mine must be late then. Good thing i can trust it coming.”
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 2:24:21 PM EDT
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True.

But, the numbers also do indicate that Crimea - unlike ALL of the other parts of Ukraine that Russia is trying to steal - at least is kind of "on the fence" and has been far more mixed in their identification with either side.  That obviously doesn't excuse ANY of Russia's unacceptable behavior, either in 2014 or now.  But it is at least worth acknowledging that in some alternate reality in which a referendum/plebiscite had been organized by an international and unbiased body, there was at least a chance that Crimeans might actually have voted to be part of Russia.  Because Russia chose the path or war and aggression, that's all irrelevant now ... but I do find it somewhat interesting nonetheless.  There genuinely IS a big proportion of the Crimean population that would be perfectly happy being part of Russia, unlike every other district (oblast?) In Ukraine.

When my wife and I visited Crimea in the early 2000s, it was fascinating talking to locals.  I remember the distinct contrast between people who were very excited to be free and independent of Russia, and people who were very unhappy with all of the changes, and longed to be part of Russia and "the good old days" again.  There was a very clear divide.

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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By kncook:
Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
In case anyone needs the reference again for popular support for Ukrainian sovereignty, here are the images to the 1991 independence vote and the 2014 Pew study (after Crimean invasion, but before Donbas invasion). The Pew study in 2014 also specifically found that Russian-speakers in Ukraine support Ukrainian sovereignty by a large margin.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Ukraine_LeftAffixedMaps_3.png

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/05/PG_14.05.09_UrkraineMap_Chart_6.6in.png?resize=1400,1296


Considering it was only 54% “for succession” in Crimea after a Russian invasion/Russian “election/poll supervision” it says a lot.

GD cites the “Crimea wants to leave” clown-line a lot.


True.

But, the numbers also do indicate that Crimea - unlike ALL of the other parts of Ukraine that Russia is trying to steal - at least is kind of "on the fence" and has been far more mixed in their identification with either side.  That obviously doesn't excuse ANY of Russia's unacceptable behavior, either in 2014 or now.  But it is at least worth acknowledging that in some alternate reality in which a referendum/plebiscite had been organized by an international and unbiased body, there was at least a chance that Crimeans might actually have voted to be part of Russia.  Because Russia chose the path or war and aggression, that's all irrelevant now ... but I do find it somewhat interesting nonetheless.  There genuinely IS a big proportion of the Crimean population that would be perfectly happy being part of Russia, unlike every other district (oblast?) In Ukraine.

When my wife and I visited Crimea in the early 2000s, it was fascinating talking to locals.  I remember the distinct contrast between people who were very excited to be free and independent of Russia, and people who were very unhappy with all of the changes, and longed to be part of Russia and "the good old days" again.  There was a very clear divide.



I feel the post above comparing it to the large amount of illegals in the SW US being ok with Texas being Mexico is a good comparison. It doesn’t really matter if a large amount of people in an area want to throw out the constitution.
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Link Posted: 9/17/2023 2:35:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kncook:
Considering it was only 54% “for succession” in Crimea after a Russian invasion/Russian “election/poll supervision” it says a lot.

GD cites the “Crimea wants to leave” clown-line a lot.
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Crimea was 54% for independence in 1991, Sevastopol 57%. It's impossible to know what a fair reading would be in the last 9 years. It's impossible to gauge how much support for being part of Ukraine would be if Russian forces left. There will be a lot of political rebuilding required. The public in Crimea has had nothing but Moscow propaganda for the last 9 years.
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Now.


Big antennas in that field.
Link Posted: 9/17/2023 2:41:11 PM EDT
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❗️The progress of the 🇺🇦AFU during the last 48 hours in the southern Bakhmut front.

Not bad...now the 🇺🇦Ukrainian forces must secure the entire line of fortifications built along the railway in the Klishchiivka-Andriivka segment before the 🇷🇺Russian Army gathers enough troops for any substantial counterattack, unlike these "meat assaults" we've seen during past few days.  
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Reports Sevastopol is getting hit again.


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