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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:05:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:06:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTF2: Erdogan per Turkey has to date not sanctioned Russia nor has it closed it's airspace to Russian air planes. The best you could say of them is that they have been willing to SELL TB2's to Ukraine. To the best of my knowledge, they have donated/given squat in the way of military aid to Ukraine. Turkey has also purchased the S-400 air defence system from the Russians against the direct wishes of NATO. IMHO, Turkey should be told to step up to the plate or be drummed out of NATO and go it alone if the crap hits the fan for them. Turkey at this point wants all of the benefits and very few of the responsibilities re membership in NATO. They have shut off access to Russian warships to be able to get into the Black Sea region. That limits the rooskies to overland resupply. It also may explain why they haven't done an amphibious assault. That and getting one of their ships destroyed by shore-based rocket attack. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:07:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: The Constitution limits "ships of war" absent Congressional consent, but that's about it. Whether that extends to armed/naval vessels traditionally considered boats or other vessels not technically ships is an interesting question that hasn't really been tested. I don't think any Federal laws limiting the States on this matter, such as they may exist, would past constitutional muster before a judiciary consistently faithful to originalist or textualist jurisprudence. States can and have bought such things for State military forces, it should be noted. I believe the Feds don't allow stuff provided for NG to be used for State militias. I could see the Feds using their purchasing power with companies that make and sell stuff to prevent sales to States, though. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:12:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockMech: What are the legal limits/bounds on the States buying themselves ordnance and combat systems? Obviously, they can go buy themselves select-fire weapons and MGs (QED, as several State Police agencies roll with M60s and such, like Texas DPS). What about mortars, tanks, and combat aircraft? Can Texas order tanks from GDLS or buy F/A-50s from the Koreans? Could* the Feds stop them (other than hindering imports, of course)? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockMech: What are the legal limits/bounds on the States buying themselves ordnance and combat systems? Obviously, they can go buy themselves select-fire weapons and MGs (QED, as several State Police agencies roll with M60s and such, like Texas DPS). What about mortars, tanks, and combat aircraft? Can Texas order tanks from GDLS or buy F/A-50s from the Koreans? Could* the Feds stop them (other than hindering imports, of course)? State and local governments operate artillery and recoilless rifles for avalanche control. I don't think there is an issue there. Originally Posted By RockMech: Best way to do it is have the State Government second some Guard officers and SNCOs ("active" or Retired) to lead the County-level "battalions" and regional "brigades" (i.e. the Battalion CO and Chief NCO, along with a handful of others, are Guardsmen/Retired soldiers....but everyone on down from their is a Volunteer, with or without a military background). All under the State Adjutant General and the State Military Department (and, thus, the Governor). That gives proper administration (which is kind of important for training and readiness and such) and accountability, while keeping it from being an overly-red-taped circus. Of course, you still have to get past the States' historical disdain for the Militia (not having one, but actually paying for one).....and the modern fright of liability (it's a well-understood legal scenario when a State Trooper or Guardsman shoots someone while on duty.....less so for Joe TDF/Militiaman). The Swiss had 5,000 AD personnel, 15,000 civilians and 600,000 reservists. Originally Posted By anonimovaca: What about an expansion of CERT? Community emergency response team, it could just be expanded to include training for other emergencies, like in case a military force was ever needed to respond. Or how about something like the cost guard auxiliary reserves except with other branches of the military? Have people volunteer and train but not be paid for it. I am sure lots of people would sign up for something like that. Look at the Norwegians with their Home Guard and Civil Defense, which are separate but complimentary. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:15:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTF2: Erdogan per Turkey has to date not sanctioned Russia nor has it closed it's airspace to Russian air planes. The best you could say of them is that they have been willing to SELL TB2's to Ukraine. To the best of my knowledge, they have donated/given squat in the way of military aid to Ukraine. Turkey has also purchased the S-400 air defence system from the Russians against the direct wishes of NATO. IMHO, Turkey should be told to step up to the plate or be drummed out of NATO and go it alone if the crap hits the fan for them. Turkey at this point wants all of the benefits and very few of the responsibilities re membership in NATO. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:20:29 PM EST
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:20:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: State and local governments operate artillery and recoilless rifles for avalanche control. I don't think there is an issue there. The Swiss had 5,000 AD personnel, 15,000 civilians and 600,000 reservists. Look at the Norwegians with their Home Guard and Civil Defense, which are separate but complimentary. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Originally Posted By RockMech: What are the legal limits/bounds on the States buying themselves ordnance and combat systems? Obviously, they can go buy themselves select-fire weapons and MGs (QED, as several State Police agencies roll with M60s and such, like Texas DPS). What about mortars, tanks, and combat aircraft? Can Texas order tanks from GDLS or buy F/A-50s from the Koreans? Could* the Feds stop them (other than hindering imports, of course)? State and local governments operate artillery and recoilless rifles for avalanche control. I don't think there is an issue there. Originally Posted By RockMech: Best way to do it is have the State Government second some Guard officers and SNCOs ("active" or Retired) to lead the County-level "battalions" and regional "brigades" (i.e. the Battalion CO and Chief NCO, along with a handful of others, are Guardsmen/Retired soldiers....but everyone on down from their is a Volunteer, with or without a military background). All under the State Adjutant General and the State Military Department (and, thus, the Governor). That gives proper administration (which is kind of important for training and readiness and such) and accountability, while keeping it from being an overly-red-taped circus. Of course, you still have to get past the States' historical disdain for the Militia (not having one, but actually paying for one).....and the modern fright of liability (it's a well-understood legal scenario when a State Trooper or Guardsman shoots someone while on duty.....less so for Joe TDF/Militiaman). The Swiss had 5,000 AD personnel, 15,000 civilians and 600,000 reservists. Originally Posted By anonimovaca: What about an expansion of CERT? Community emergency response team, it could just be expanded to include training for other emergencies, like in case a military force was ever needed to respond. Or how about something like the cost guard auxiliary reserves except with other branches of the military? Have people volunteer and train but not be paid for it. I am sure lots of people would sign up for something like that. Look at the Norwegians with their Home Guard and Civil Defense, which are separate but complimentary. A lot of different methods to this. you just have to look around and see what works. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:23:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTF2: Erdogan per Turkey has to date not sanctioned Russia nor has it closed it's airspace to Russian air planes. The best you could say of them is that they have been willing to SELL TB2's to Ukraine. To the best of my knowledge, they have donated/given squat in the way of military aid to Ukraine. Turkey has also purchased the S-400 air defence system from the Russians against the direct wishes of NATO. IMHO, Turkey should be told to step up to the plate or be drummed out of NATO and go it alone if the crap hits the fan for them. Turkey at this point wants all of the benefits and very few of the responsibilities re membership in NATO. They have always been a fucking hard case for NATO. They need to be kept in the fold and on a shorter leash then they think. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:25:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
Zero chance I’d step foot on a battlefield with an IR strobe like that unless I was ABSOLUTELY certain there was no NOD capability on the other side. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:27:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6SJ7GT: A lot of different methods to this. you just have to look around and see what works. No, the hard part is putting it into the American context. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:28:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: They are giving Belarus Nukes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By Chokey:
They are giving Belarus Nukes. I’m sure they will do that under RF control and it will be advertised when most necessary to save themselves from failing at their objectives. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:33:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By W_E_G: Corporate sponsored war? YouTube video title: You’ve Been LIED To About Why Ukraine War Began  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxMVcrvtqqsStopped halfway. He talks about the past, and asks the viewers to decide whether or not the overthrow of the government was right. That was for Ukraine to decide, not us, and any evidence he presented which suggested that it was somehow our decision are patently false. Unless, of course, you think that Ukraine is lying about self determination. And therein lies the rub. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:34:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Durka-Durka: FO Rooster has been spotted, folks. Looks like he's in a purely advisory position. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/388557722796425217/951592261223870564/98GEYpm.png Combat Cock. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:35:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By  :Crimea. Russian air defense shot down Ukrainian Tu-141 Strizh. This is like one that crashed into Croatia yesterday. https://t.me/milinfolive/78443 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122973/Screenshot_from_2022-03-11_09-01-54_png-2309472.JPG Why is there a Red Star on the horizontal stab? |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:35:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: Your cat/muffler will light up like crazy even on shit-tier Russian thermal optics.  Kharn Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24: These hit and run attacks are just awesome. I hope these Ukrainians have enough sense to get out of dodge after they fire when they are severely outgunned and outnumbered. Serious question, would some dirtbikes be of any use in this? I can see setting up ambushes, firing, then escaping on dirtbikes. With the lack of any air support, these Russia troops are moving extremely slowly. Being a small, mobile, fast, and ability to move through almost any terrain would seem like a pretty sweet advantage. Lots of small wood lots from what I can see. A 4 wheeler or dirtbike stashed on the other side of the wood lot would seem to be a pretty sweet getaway vehicle Your cat/muffler will light up like crazy even on shit-tier Russian thermal optics. Kharn Not if it's a zero emissions EV dirt bike! 3D chess... |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:38:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stanprophet09: Why is there a Red Star on the horizontal stab? Maybe the original Red Star from the Cold War, these things are over 40 years old. @stanprophet09 |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:39:10 PM EST
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Jocko for President.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:39:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: You would have to dig for this info now in paper history books as it gets scrubbed from the web. It was common practice for the able bodied men to show up at church with cap, ball & rifle and their readiness recorded in a ledger much in the same way as donations were. They would be admonished if they were found lacking in their state of readiness. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By Stretchman: Territorial defense in the US is written into both state and federal law. The biggest debate back in the days of the standing militia was who was going to pay for the weapons. It was eventually resolved when it was decided that the people should buy the weapons themselves. And maintain a cache of ammo. And a uniform. it was to be of the type and caliber of the weapon that the standing army was using, due to procurement. Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. Imagine thousands of people all showing up with the same type and caliber of weapon your own forces are using, and they have their own kit. Plus, they're on your side, and are authorized by both state and federal law. Of course, they would be obligated to obey the orders of the officers appointed over them, and the governor, who would get his orders from the COC. They would never deploy anywhere outside of their own state, unless federally activated into the National Guard. They would be fighting for their own. You would have to dig for this info now in paper history books as it gets scrubbed from the web. It was common practice for the able bodied men to show up at church with cap, ball & rifle and their readiness recorded in a ledger much in the same way as donations were. They would be admonished if they were found lacking in their state of readiness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_defense_force |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:40:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://i.imgur.com/j1KV2SM.jpeg Come on... We all know that tractors hunt in packs with their smaller brethrens: N-LAW, JAVELIN, AND BAYRAKTAR. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:41:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Getcha some!!!  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Getcha some!!! Looks like they brought their own toys. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:43:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: One thing that might be worthwhile is automatically enrolling those who leave the NG into the State militia, especially in more technical and leadership positions. Might try the "equipment + cadre" tactic, with the State Military Department maintaining a list of Retired Guard officers and NCOs who volunteered to "volunteer" when the balloon goes up. The State also maintains a supply of arms and ammunition (and basic-basic equipment, like radios, trucks, etc). When "tensions rise", they call in the cadre volunteers, round up thousands of grunts (either calling for volunteers or conscripting people under the Governor's authority to call out the Militia), start issuing weapons and forming units. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:44:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNmRR80WQAMvJK5?format=jpg&name=medium Hope we get a chance to order a few sheets of those stamps if/when they make em.  |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:46:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7: We really need to get them something to sink a ship. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7: Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNmRR80WQAMvJK5?format=jpg&name=medium They sunk that ship with a grad. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:47:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anonimovaca: What about an expansion of CERT? Community emergency response team, it could just be expanded to include training for other emergencies, like in case a military force was ever needed to respond. Or how about something like the cost guard auxiliary reserves except with other branches of the military? Have people volunteer and train but not be paid for it. I am sure lots of people would sign up for something like that. You could probably get all the benefits of a shooty-shooty TDF by standing up an "Civil Defense Force" that had some basic rifle training, but mostly focused on things like rescue, relief, forest fires (though leaving most of the real firefighting to the actual firefighters, etc), emergency radio comms, evacuation, etc. Kind of like the German THW. Once you've got a force of trained volunteers with clear paramilitary command structures......if world events turn poor, you can always issue them M16s and emphasize the "Defense" in "Civil Defense". |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:49:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
Do they really leave those shoot me beacons on all the time? |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:51:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: They sunk that ship with a grad. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7: Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNmRR80WQAMvJK5?format=jpg&name=medium They sunk that ship with a grad. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:51:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: They invoked the Montreux Convention and closed the Bosporus and Dardanelles to warships. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By JTF2: Erdogan per Turkey has to date not sanctioned Russia nor has it closed it's airspace to Russian air planes. The best you could say of them is that they have been willing to SELL TB2's to Ukraine. To the best of my knowledge, they have donated/given squat in the way of military aid to Ukraine. Turkey has also purchased the S-400 air defence system from the Russians against the direct wishes of NATO. IMHO, Turkey should be told to step up to the plate or be drummed out of NATO and go it alone if the crap hits the fan for them. Turkey at this point wants all of the benefits and very few of the responsibilities re membership in NATO. They said they did. I doubt they would stop a Russian ship from passing though. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:53:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: I thought they had Neptune Missiles? |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:53:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Well worth the 30 min to watch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: @Zhukov Have you read any Peter Zeihan? He's spent the past decade writing a series of books and making many, many presentations about the history of the Global Order (America Police guaranteeing free trade, aka Globalism), why it's folding up shop, and how there'd be a wildfire of regional wars and enormous power shifts following it. We are living in the post America Police/smoldering wildfires are igniting/power is shifting fast stage right now. He's a demographic/geographic determinist who backs up his theories with reams of data. He's not always right on the micro level but I think he's got the broad outline nailed. He's got a higher opinion of the Russian military than I can currently credit them, I guess we'll see about that. And he didn't predict the instant global cancellation of the Russia economy IIRC. His books are interesting and there's a thousand videos of his presentations on Youtube. His opinion has been rapidly becoming more mainstream, he just gave a presentation at Fort Benning. He recently freaked out this professional financial news reporter about four times in half an hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq75Av59-YUWell worth the 30 min to watch. Yes, it is. Some very thought provoking stuff in there. "We are living in the post America Police/smoldering wildfires are igniting/power is shifting fast stage right now." That actually makes a lot of sense and explains the global craziness we are seeing. Hell, America doesn't even want police on it's own streets these days. 
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:54:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: No they are not giving Belarus nukes. Russia is stationing their nukes in Belarus - big difference.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:55:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7: We really need to get them something to sink a ship.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:55:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MBUZICHOMA: They said they did. I doubt they would stop a Russian ship from passing though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MBUZICHOMA: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By JTF2: Erdogan per Turkey has to date not sanctioned Russia nor has it closed it's airspace to Russian air planes. The best you could say of them is that they have been willing to SELL TB2's to Ukraine. To the best of my knowledge, they have donated/given squat in the way of military aid to Ukraine. Turkey has also purchased the S-400 air defence system from the Russians against the direct wishes of NATO. IMHO, Turkey should be told to step up to the plate or be drummed out of NATO and go it alone if the crap hits the fan for them. Turkey at this point wants all of the benefits and very few of the responsibilities re membership in NATO. They said they did. I doubt they would stop a Russian ship from passing though. Turkey rejects Russia's request for navy ships to pass Bosporus |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:55:16 PM EST
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https://asbarez.com/turkey-deploys-syrian-jihadists-to-aid-ukraine-against-russia/
A number of media sources are claiming Turkey has sent 2500 jihadists who are veterans of the Syrian conflict and war in Armenia, into Ukraine to fight against Russia. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:55:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: I thought they had Neptune Missiles? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7: Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNmRR80WQAMvJK5?format=jpg&name=medium They sunk that ship with a grad. Look it up. The did the math for a grid, lured the ship, got the timing right and overwhelmed the ship. It took a while but it burned and sank. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:56:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MBUZICHOMA: They said they did. I doubt they would stop a Russian ship from passing though. Russia wouldn’t want to break it as it would mean the US could put anything they wanted in the Black Sea. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:56:53 PM EST
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Has anyone heard of what's going on in Russia for the average folks as far as their daily routine is concerned? I asked the same question a few days ago and someone pointed out a guy from Russia saying all the stuff that's been banned, but I wonder how it's affecting the guy on the street - or is it too early in the process to notice much difference?
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:57:18 PM EST
[#37]
 LIVE | Russian Invasion Of Ukraine | Situation Room | INDB | #Kyiv #Ukraine #War |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:58:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GLHX2112: Hope we get a chance to order a few sheets of those stamps if/when they make em. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GLHX2112: Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNmRR80WQAMvJK5?format=jpg&name=medium Hope we get a chance to order a few sheets of those stamps if/when they make em. there is the link to the other stamps (yeah, it's book of faces.) https://www.facebook.com/ukrposhta/photos/pcb.4970728059640475/4970593199653961/ I like these two also.  
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:59:51 PM EST
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A wealthy tech executive is using his own money to fund hundreds of foreign volunteers looking to fight against Russia in Ukraine
Have we done this already? This guy will cover the costs of air tickets and kit. 
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:00:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: Parabellum08]
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:01:15 PM EST
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:01:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Has anyone heard of what's going on in Russia for the average folks as far as their daily routine is concerned? I asked the same question a few days ago and someone pointed out a guy from Russia saying all the stuff that's been banned, but I wonder how it's affecting the guy on the street - or is it too early in the process to notice much difference? Too soon for real affect. So they could t find what they wanted in the store this week. It’s not as big a problem until they can’t find it all month…. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:02:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNmRR80WQAMvJK5?format=jpg&name=medium Beautiful! Where can we buy some? |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:04:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Has anyone heard of what's going on in Russia for the average folks as far as their daily routine is concerned? I asked the same question a few days ago and someone pointed out a guy from Russia saying all the stuff that's been banned, but I wonder how it's affecting the guy on the street - or is it too early in the process to notice much difference? Too soon for anything major besides blocked internet stuff. The real pain is yet to come. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:04:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: A wealthy tech executive is using his own money to fund hundreds of foreign volunteers looking to fight against Russia in Ukraine Have we done this already? This guy will cover the costs of air tickets and kit. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400_GIF-121.gif @CornfieldCong this may help you get squared away even faster. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:06:14 PM EST
[#46]
 Violinists Across the World Play for Ukraine |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:06:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 74HC]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: They invoked the Montreux Convention and closed the Bosporus and Dardanelles to warships. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By JTF2: Erdogan per Turkey has to date not sanctioned Russia nor has it closed it's airspace to Russian air planes. The best you could say of them is that they have been willing to SELL TB2's to Ukraine. To the best of my knowledge, they have donated/given squat in the way of military aid to Ukraine. Turkey has also purchased the S-400 air defence system from the Russians against the direct wishes of NATO. IMHO, Turkey should be told to step up to the plate or be drummed out of NATO and go it alone if the crap hits the fan for them. Turkey at this point wants all of the benefits and very few of the responsibilities re membership in NATO. The real question is whether Turkey, being a NATO member, would deny passage of a NATO ship. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:08:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: Russia wouldn't want to break it as it would mean the US could put anything they wanted in the Black Sea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sokarul: Originally Posted By MBUZICHOMA: They said they did. I doubt they would stop a Russian ship from passing though. Russia wouldn't want to break it as it would mean the US could put anything they wanted in the Black Sea. Right, despite the way Erdogan often acts, Turkey is still a NATO member. A violation of Turkey's right to control the straits would allow NATO to become further involved. The Russian Black Sea fleet would stand little chance against a CSG. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:12:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryRussians are fucked now.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:13:51 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Has anyone heard of what's going on in Russia for the average folks as far as their daily routine is concerned? I asked the same question a few days ago and someone pointed out a guy from Russia saying all the stuff that's been banned, but I wonder how it's affecting the guy on the street - or is it too early in the process to notice much difference? |
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