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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:38:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: They’ve saber rattling since this conflict started. What else is new. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By M-1975:
They’ve saber rattling since this conflict started. What else is new. Someone needs to remind those assholes that the USSR supplied weapons to North Vietnam for a decade while we were engaged against them. 
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:38:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: They’ve saber rattling since this conflict started. What else is new. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By M-1975:
They’ve saber rattling since this conflict started. What else is new. Did we pay someone for this information? Does this outfit offer predictions on the last Super Bowl by any chance? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:38:32 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
zero hedge so more likely to be false than true |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:38:55 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: They said that 20 years ago too Yup. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:40:03 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryThat's rich coming from a pot smokin faggot who signed anti 2A shit in cal. And would again. All he did is prove why its called the devils lettuce. Fuckin pos tard. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: So basically we don’t know if they are or not lol. Got it. China is carefully playing both sides of this, Laowhy86 has covered china's response very well.  China's Embarrassing Flip Flop on Russia @dillydilly |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:40:42 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By kncook: It’s for foreign citizens. lol. loling because you don’t believe it or you don’t want to believe it? You think the bill, as written, can “sanction” a US citizen? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:40:43 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: zero hedge so more likely to be false than true Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By Chokey:
zero hedge so more likely to be false than true Russia military gets Harbor Freight tools, and all the diseased pork the troops can eat. China wants first dibs on UKR brides - they're running WAY short. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:40:45 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: zero hedge so more likely to be false than true Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By Chokey:
zero hedge so more likely to be false than true they're just copying headlines
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:41:15 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: zero hedge so more likely to be false than true Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By Chokey:
zero hedge so more likely to be false than true Maybe but IF true. China needs to get fucked nice and hard. Collapse their economy and let it burn. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YaNi05: They aren't advancing quick enough to encircle Kyiv. And then they have to actually take it. Encircling doesn't win them anything. Look at Mariupol. That was supposed to be taken on day 1 and here we are. I'm betting they only have another ~week before they're combat ineffective due to losses of men and equipment. And the further they extend their unprotected supply lines, the more likely they get lit up and starved out. Every report of the RA invading a village and there is widespread looting of food. They're hungry because their logistics blow ass. The literal meaning of 'decimated' is 10% casualties, and 'complete' is not a modifier that rationally applies to 'decimated'. If they have ~150,000 total troops in theater and they have ~15,000 casualties, that is literally decimated. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:41:23 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: zero hedge so more likely to be false than true Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By Chokey:
zero hedge so more likely to be false than true |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:41:31 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: zero hedge so more likely to be false than true Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By Chokey:
zero hedge so more likely to be false than true ZeroHedge is Russian owned. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:42:12 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
I can't imagine what china is thinking. They must figure if they jump in and russia wins, everything changes. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:42:54 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
They reached this conclusion NOW??!! |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:43:02 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Maybe but IF true. China needs to get fucked nice and hard. Collapse their economy and let it burn. Yeah, is China ready for the economic sanctions they might face for backing Russia? Are we? Is Europe? We'll see what happens. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: This, apparently the Chinese aired footage of the devastation in Ukraine for the first time today. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By Chokey:
zero hedge so more likely to be false than true That makes it sound like Pooh is about to buttfuck Putin. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:43:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RustedAce]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: loling because you don’t believe it or you don’t want to believe it? You think the bill, as written, can “sanction” a US citizen? Something like this will happen first, "The Canadian Truckers are Russian agents and need their assets frozen." |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:43:43 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
The US diplomats need to do a better job of wrapping up support for Ukraine/US/Europe. While we know how wishy washy China was going to be, losing India, along with Saudi Arabia is going to make shit problematic in the long run. We are in deep shit if the Mideast oil sides with those three countries. Considering that is about half the world's population it is a big deal. If the West loses a few more nations like Indonesia, Pakistan, Vietnam, Brazil, the USD could be fucked in a serious way. I don't think that is going to happen, but the pieces are starting to fall into place where it can't be ruled out. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:44:02 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: they're just copying headlines
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By Chokey:
zero hedge so more likely to be false than true they're just copying headlines
That timestamp tho |
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NZL
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:44:08 PM EDT
[#21]
If this happens, expect Putin to go full retard. There will be all sorts of insanity bandied about from durr Kremlin. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:44:45 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistorySchools, hospitals, and churches! And now targeting cats...fucking russians!!! |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:44:50 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: China is carefully playing both sides of this, Laowhy86 has covered china's response very well.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ8DfvbroeA@dillydilly Oh I know. I said this a while ago. The Chinese are smart. Smarter and more cunning that the Russians hands down. They will take full advantage of this war and swoop in to rebuild Ukraine once it’s all over. China needs their grain etc. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:45:04 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: loling because you don’t believe it or you don’t want to believe it? You think the bill, as written, can “sanction” a US citizen? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By kncook: It’s for foreign citizens. lol. loling because you don’t believe it or you don’t want to believe it? You think the bill, as written, can “sanction” a US citizen? I am not OK with giving the president power to sanction whatever foreign person that he wants. Do you trust Biden and the democrats not to abuse it ? I don't . |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:45:10 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Holy chit, Big bada boom 
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:45:52 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: The US diplomats need to do a better job of wrapping up support for Ukraine/US/Europe. While we know how wishy washy China was going to be, losing India, along with Saudi Arabia is going to make shit problematic in the long run. We are in deep shit if the Mideast oil sides with those three countries. Considering that is about half the world's population it is a big deal. If the West loses a few more nations like Indonesia, Pakistan, Vietnam, Brazil, the USD could be fucked in a serious way. I don't think that is going to happen, but the pieces are starting to fall into place where it can't be ruled out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: Originally Posted By Chokey:
The US diplomats need to do a better job of wrapping up support for Ukraine/US/Europe. While we know how wishy washy China was going to be, losing India, along with Saudi Arabia is going to make shit problematic in the long run. We are in deep shit if the Mideast oil sides with those three countries. Considering that is about half the world's population it is a big deal. If the West loses a few more nations like Indonesia, Pakistan, Vietnam, Brazil, the USD could be fucked in a serious way. I don't think that is going to happen, but the pieces are starting to fall into place where it can't be ruled out. Coups have consequences. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:46:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: heh Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By 7empest: And now comes a few pages of when the AR was first available for civilian purchase. heh Shit, probably right. Time to check out and pick up tomorrow. The purse swinging is entertaining for the first few posts, then not so much. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:47:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wyomingnick]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Something like this will happen first, "The Canadian Truckers are Russian agents and need their assets frozen." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By kncook: loling because you don’t believe it or you don’t want to believe it? You think the bill, as written, can “sanction” a US citizen? Something like this will happen first, "The Canadian Truckers are Russian agents and need their assets frozen." Nothing seems to suggest it even has to do with anything related to Russia, just violating human rights which is very subjective. Yeah the Canadian truckers are the perfect example. This bill could allow Biden to sanction such freedom protestors. Would have been nice to get a clean bill just putting the screws to Russia. Maybe you would have only had 1 dissenter then. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:47:44 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
If this happens, expect Putin to go full retard. There will be all sorts of insanity bandied about from durr Kremlin. Putin needs to do a draft, then send 8.7M troops into Ukraine. Or whatever |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:49:04 PM EDT
[#30]
China can have access to the Russian market, or the American and European market. Which will they choose?
 China will keep their options open, but they know Russia has jumped the shark on this. Even a 'win' is going to look and be ugly as hell. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:50:07 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Putin needs to do a draft, then send 8.7M troops into Ukraine. Or whatever Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
If this happens, expect Putin to go full retard. There will be all sorts of insanity bandied about from durr Kremlin. Putin needs to do a draft, then send 8.7M troops into Ukraine. Or whatever Well they aren't going to have jobs to go to, otherwise. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:50:10 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Maybe but IF true. China needs to get fucked nice and hard. Collapse their economy and let it burn. So they unleash a global pandemic. Intentionally spread it while lying about the transmission and locking down china. Refuse to allow anyone in to study the source. Stop our shipments of PPE and hoard all of it. Tell US to go fuck ourselves every time we ask about the LAB, and have been stealing everything for decades, but THIS is the last straw? China should have been fucked nice and hard 20 years ago!! |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:50:15 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Putin needs to do a draft, then send 8.7M troops into Ukraine. Or whatever They don't have enough working vehicles to send 87,000 more. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:50:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RustedAce]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Would have been nice to get a clean bill just putting the screws to Russia. Yeah, but as I am sure you know, they dont actually give a shit about Ukrainians. Russia could death camp every single Ukrainian and they wouldnt bat an eye if there was no way they could exploit it for gain. (See China and Uyghurs.) |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:51:05 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Oh I know. I said this a while ago. The Chinese are smart. Smarter and more cunning that the Russians hands down. They will take full advantage of this war and swoop in to rebuild Ukraine once it’s all over. China needs their grain etc. chinese predatory loans, coming to a europe near you 
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:51:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: THOT_Vaccine]
[#36]
I know Belarus is effectively behind the new iron curtain but has anyone heard anything since yesterday?
If not, that says a lot too... -edit- Nevermind Not sure what to make of that |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:52:34 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Yeah, but as I am sure you know, they dont actually give a shit about Ukrainians. Russia could death camp every single Ukrainian and they wouldnt bat an eye if there was no way they could exploit it for gain. (See China and Uyghurs.) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Would have been nice to get a clean bill just putting the screws to Russia. Yeah, but as I am sure you know, they dont actually give a shit about Ukrainians. Russia could death camp every single Ukrainian and they wouldnt bat an eye if there was no way they could exploit it for gain. (See China and Uyghurs.) Agreed. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:52:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RickJames1999: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia4.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FSTfLOU6iRBRunMciZv%2F200.gif&f=1&nofb=1 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RickJames1999: Originally Posted By Denwad: I'd also imagine that a air burst nuclear weapon is quite a bit cleaner than Chernobyl was ( please reference the current state of Hiroshima and Nagasaki vs. Chernobyl ) I find it plausible that the Soviets could have nuked the Chinese in 1969 and nobody would have known about it. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia4.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FSTfLOU6iRBRunMciZv%2F200.gif&f=1&nofb=1 Thesmallest nuke you can make work in either a ground or air burst is going to spew a shitfuck more detectable nucleides all over from hell to breakfast at least as much or more than Hiroshima or Nagasaki or the Chernobyl accident. So, yeah, no, it's a complete non-happener. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:53:06 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: That timestamp tho Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By Chokey:
zero hedge so more likely to be false than true they're just copying headlines
That timestamp tho The various geopolitics videos posted throughout the last 100 pages suggest China is almost as screwed as Russia demographically, and even more so than Russia resource wise. Hard to know what they might do, but supporting Russia now could see them cut off from oil and food, which would see famine in China within months. It all depends on what China thinks their own future path to survival looks like. Like Russia their demographics suggest they only have a very small window of time to wage war and expand territory too before their population collapses. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:54:05 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Putin needs to do a draft, then send 8.7M troops into Ukraine. Or whatever Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
If this happens, expect Putin to go full retard. There will be all sorts of insanity bandied about from durr Kremlin. Putin needs to do a draft, then send 8.7M troops into Ukraine. Or whatever Ukraine is preventing 9 million draft age men from leaving the country. |
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ZWE
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:56:38 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boltcatch: The thread is full of random people who aren't particularly well informed popping in and shitting on other people in the middle of discussing things that are fairly well established and having the gall to call them uninformed. There is already an ongoing scandal regarding COTS drone tracking hardware and Russia's use of stringray type devices in Ukraine for doing exactly this is well known.  that does not mean you can state for a fact that the drone in the video was targeted with that. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:56:47 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
If this happens, expect Putin to go full retard. There will be all sorts of insanity bandied about from durr Kremlin.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:56:56 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Thesmallest nuke you can make work in either a ground or air burst is going to spew a shitfuck more detectable nucleides all over from hell to breakfast at least as much or more than Hiroshima or Nagasaki or the Chernobyl accident. So, yeah, no, it's a complete non-happener. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By RickJames1999: Originally Posted By Denwad: I'd also imagine that a air burst nuclear weapon is quite a bit cleaner than Chernobyl was ( please reference the current state of Hiroshima and Nagasaki vs. Chernobyl ) I find it plausible that the Soviets could have nuked the Chinese in 1969 and nobody would have known about it. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia4.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FSTfLOU6iRBRunMciZv%2F200.gif&f=1&nofb=1 Thesmallest nuke you can make work in either a ground or air burst is going to spew a shitfuck more detectable nucleides all over from hell to breakfast at least as much or more than Hiroshima or Nagasaki or the Chernobyl accident. So, yeah, no, it's a complete non-happener. We have satellites to detect the double flash, and monitoring stations to detect fallout. I was on duty in the Netherlands when the radiation from Chernobyl started blowing around. Radiation detectors started going off at US bases all over Europe. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:57:01 PM EDT
[#44]
Kudlow: This is beyond insanity
 Kudlow: This is beyond insanity |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:57:25 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
Notice that they all just haul ass for the ditch, and nobody seems to be manning the turret. Guess nobody wants to hang around the missile magnets.mm |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:58:57 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agillig: Nah. That's photoshopped, and he's a crisis actor. Am I doing this right? Well, since it is chicago, I suppose you can say what you like. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 8:03:23 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: If your scenario is true, and you believe that Russia will use WMDs just for getting a black eye from Ukraine, then what do you think will happen when NATO rolls in and absolutely obliterates 80% of Russia's entire army (that's what would happen), leaving their military combat ineffective and Russia completely defenseless? Do you think that would cause them to turn their 2000+ warheads towards Europe and the US? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: Originally Posted By agillig: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Capta: In a thread filled with baffling and idiotic statements, this may be the most baffling and idiotic. The Ukrainian invasion guarantees that all vulnerable states will have to develop nukes because a credible nuclear threat is the ultimate guarantor of survival. Germany, Poland, Japan, South Korea, maybe Taiwan. All of these will acquire nukes ASAP. Nuclear non-proliferation just ended. You don't get it at all. The very reason NATO hasn't and can't help their little sister Ukraine is because if we do it will end in a nuclear exchange. When two opponents got to war they use the tools they have and if equal there are no pulled punches by the losing party. If NATO had no Nukes then there would be zero hesitation in stomping the Orcs. Literally the only reason we haven't gotten in this fray is because we are nuclear. A pact of nonnuclear countries could gang up on even Russia. Russia would still face nuclear attack by us if they used them but their justification for first use would be gone. Had those stated countries been in a formal alliance Russia would have never invaded Ukraine. My point? If this continues, I absolutely believe Russia will use WMDs of some sort. I can't see them simply accepting defeat and going home. If your scenario is true, and you believe that Russia will use WMDs just for getting a black eye from Ukraine, then what do you think will happen when NATO rolls in and absolutely obliterates 80% of Russia's entire army (that's what would happen), leaving their military combat ineffective and Russia completely defenseless? Do you think that would cause them to turn their 2000+ warheads towards Europe and the US? Because they’d still have the ultimate deterrent to being invaded? Nukes? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 8:03:39 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: And that this is not the generation that stood up to the Germans. Secondly, this time they are they aggressors. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By J_Von_Random: The catch is that he can want to throw all he wants, but they have to exist to be thrown. They mostly don't.  They were the aggressors that time as well. They don't get to play the victim just because their partner decided to turn on them. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 8:03:54 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: My suspicion/ WAG is potatus tried to lean on Poland to not send the migs, leaving Poland to take the heat. Poland called him on it and made it a US problem. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By Stretchman: Now let's survey Poland, and ask them how they would feel about beating the living shit out of Russia? Doesn't look good for Poland only wanting to transfer those MIGs to USA, then to Ukraine. Why can't a European nation handle the transfer? Since Poland is the next country west of Ukraine, one would think they would readily transfer those MIGs. Probably because Poland has turned back into being a tit sucker on USA. They want fresh F-16s on a 1 to 1 for the old MIGs. What are they thinking? My suspicion/ WAG is potatus tried to lean on Poland to not send the migs, leaving Poland to take the heat. Poland called him on it and made it a US problem. Potatus said no to that, but still stated they're free to give them to Ukraine. As to either being the middle man, or the F-16Cs, I could not find out. There probably is other concerns of pulling "fresh" F-16s from the USAF inventory as those are probably not in export configuration. If so, it would cost good money. I put all this together from more than a dozen articles about these jets from various news around the world. As we can see, it's Poland making the transfer difficult and want a good tit sucking on USA. There's a lot of things we can blame on FJB, but this really isn't one of them. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 8:04:10 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Kudlow: This is beyond insanity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61NE0ZB5Ups
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