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Posted: 3/18/2022 5:51:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Someone doesn't like atgms and manpads going to Ukraine  Rattling the sabre on this again is interesting. Wonder if they might try to pop a relief column? They've already tried. It's like a punk threatening you after you bloodied his nose. Russia fucked up big. In a world where it didn't inherit the Soviet nuclear arsenal, Europe and China would carve it like a fat pig. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 5:52:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: i'm kinda surprised they didn't do this from the outset. They did threaten it at the outset. Weird to see them double down when they did nothing before... |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 5:52:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: spydercomonkey]
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Excellent article on how the war in Ukraine has resulted in a need for US energy independence:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielmarkind/2022/03/08/the-end-of-energy-innocence |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 5:55:41 AM EDT
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Hmmmm. Now let's wait to see whether Germany/Italy goes cold on doing anything that might annoy Russia. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:00:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pr24guy: What is that, like 5 or 6 top Generals? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/picard-UhOh-339.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pr24guy: Originally Posted By ecophon:
Apologies if it's a repeat. What is that, like 5 or 6 top Generals? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/picard-UhOh-339.gif this guy isnt a General but a colonel, but still a righteous kill |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:01:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:09:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: We need to stop using food for fuel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: With Ukraine being a major exporter of wheat, you'd think this would be a major concern for the whole world. Ukraine war: Russia blocks ships carrying grain exports "Up to 300 ships have been stopped by Russian forces from departing the Black Sea, leaving one of the key global trade routes for grain virtually blocked. The fertile region is known as 'the world's breadbasket.'" They can't seriously expect to get away with this for very long.  We need to stop using food for fuel. I can see international coalitions forming and air/naval things happening to guarantee free navigation of international waters, especially food, especially in light of what happens when food is disrupted (Arab Spring). The entire world has an interest in those ships making it to their destinations. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:10:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv:
That would be a delightful irony. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 6:46:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv:
lol wont happen. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:10:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv:
Like Russia's "negotiations" thus far, that's the international diplomatic equivalent of "Stop hitting yourself!" |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:19:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pr24guy: What is that, like 5 or 6 top Generals? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/picard-UhOh-339.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pr24guy: Originally Posted By ecophon:
Apologies if it's a repeat. What is that, like 5 or 6 top Generals? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/picard-UhOh-339.gif Are colonels generals? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:20:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wwglen]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv:
After seeing the real-world performance of Russian gear, they might decide that it is a smart thing to do. Especially if we throw in a Patriot system or two. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:20:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerret_S: Russia is getting her ass whipped but those numbers are compleye BS imo. 450 tanks? Yeah right. 112 helicopters? Ahh no , to name a few. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerret_S: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Russia is getting her ass whipped but those numbers are compleye BS imo. 450 tanks? Yeah right. 112 helicopters? Ahh no , to name a few. If those numbers include captured I think it’s close. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:29:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: If those numbers include captured I think it’s close. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By Jerret_S: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Russia is getting her ass whipped but those numbers are compleye BS imo. 450 tanks? Yeah right. 112 helicopters? Ahh no , to name a few. If those numbers include captured I think it’s close. Yep. Might be a little inflated, but they're including everything. When you take out 10 helos in 5 mins from arty things add up quick Or whatever |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:32:23 AM EDT
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Ridiculously bad Russian pro war propaganda
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:46:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Yes, I’ve been saying exactly this for most of the thread. People need to get off the Trump/Biden right/left bullshit and take a cold, hard look at the situation. Putin is rattling the nuclear saber and has Europe and frankly the entire world terrified. He’s acting like a mad dog, and we put down mad dogs. The west has unified in a month and a nuclear first strike should no longer be considered unthinkable. It’s my opinion that the west probably has a source of accurate inside information on Putin’s intentions, and if such information even hints at nuclear escalation, Russia will be wiped off the map to limit damage to the west. This game is for all the marbles. You are both out of your minds. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:49:33 AM EDT
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Foreign Legion under fire in Ukraine:
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:52:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Consigli: This will continue. Our nukes are a deterrent, but Biden isn't. He won't ever use them, and they know it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Consigli: Originally Posted By hiyaboa:
This will continue. Our nukes are a deterrent, but Biden isn't. He won't ever use them, and they know it. Can you explain to me--in coherent terms--why you are willing to start a nuclear war to prevent Russia from having too much political influence in Ukraine? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:56:05 AM EDT
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Thought it is interesting that in Hungary and other places, ordinary Russians are feeling the effects as their cards don't know and they have no money and food.
Wife unit helped a Russian couple get to their embassy in Budapest and also helped them get gas and food for their daughter and themselves. I told her to give them 100 euros. They look like a typical European couple but one can see that they are just as stressed and feeling helpless. I hope they end up being ok but with their bank cards not working and their cell phones shut off... I wish them good luck. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 7:58:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By batjka104: Foreign Legion under fire in Ukraine:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Iwzl7RI1JwSounds like at least 2 are Americans |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:02:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: They did threaten it at the outset. Weird to see them double down when they did nothing before... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By x248716x: i'm kinda surprised they didn't do this from the outset. They did threaten it at the outset. Weird to see them double down when they did nothing before... That's because it was an escalation they were not willing to undertake. Now they have publicly warned the west again--so watch for it to happen. And then what? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:04:23 AM EDT
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Quote Historywhat a fucking Cunt. These "republicans" are trying to give away the midterms.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:06:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: At no point was the chart "touted" as being RAND produced. It's pretty clearly labeled as to where they sourced the data (in those annotations I mentioned). Are you saying RAND is incapable of vetting the information it includes in its own studies? As an aside, your using one of the listed sites as an ostensibly objective refutation of said study is beyond laughable - "We have investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves of any wrongdoing." Once again, rando on the internet with the power of Google or a think tank charged with shaping national security policy going back 70+ years. Certainly a hard choice for the objective reader... With the corner you've painted yourself into, I can clearly see why you keep trying to hastily distance yourself from this conversation. Resume your absorption of Russian propaganda as fact at your own peril, just don't try and convince everyone else it's unassailable fact. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By Voland: Originally Posted By kncook: ZeroHedge is Russian owned. You keep saying that... but whats your proof? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/1D97CFAC-D140-4B8C-A888-63C17AFD7FF8-2316045.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124774/CFFAAE6B-E1E5-427A-8C89-3BF71290056B-2316047.jpg This is just complete crap. None of that is true. You sure? This is the source: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2200/RR2237/RAND_RR2237.pdf ETA: Published in 2018 at the direction of the Trump DoD - "This research was sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense’s Rapid Reaction Technology Office and conducted within the International Security and Defense Policy Center of the RAND National Defense Research Institute, a federally funded research and development center sponsored by the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Staff, the Unified Combatant Commands, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the defense agencies, and the defense Intelligence Community." Absolutely certain. That chart is complete nonsense. And, it comes from the leftist group "PropOrNot Team", not the Rand Corp. In case you are unfamiliar with the way ZeroHedge works (which clearly Rand wasn't), they have both original content which they have under the byline pseudonym "Tyler Durden" and they also have guest articles from a variety of contributors (including those on the right). Enough thread slide. Believe what you wish. So, in other words, you like Zero Hedge and, because of your personal investment in it, don't want to accept that it's not what you thought it was. And it's not a thread slide. Once again, we're discussing Russian propaganda, which they view as one prong of their military doctrine, and it's outlets. It's fully on topic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102941/81F17490-B709-42FF-B5AB-2E03B119D399-228-2305506.JPG No, I'm saying you are completely wrong and have indicated why that is so. You can choose to accept you are wrong or can continue in your ignorance. It has nothing to do with Russian prongs of their military doctrine which we already know includes lies, deceit, misinformation, and propaganda. BTW, in my estimation, the Russians are currently failing in that part of their military every bit as much as their forces in Ukraine. Your only indication of my being incorrect amounts to "Your pictures are nonsense and PropOrNot is leftist because I said so, so what you posted is wrong". It's pretty much all there in this quote chain. Given that, who do I accept as more accurate... Some rando on the internet that says "take my word for it" or a widely regarded think tank the US DoD hires for research on matters vital to national security? Real tough choice there...  By the way, congrats on being able to clear through a 149 page, fully annotated, study in just 21 minutes when the approximate reading time of it is around 3 hours! What drivel. I provided the information that the chart being touted as being produced by the Rand Corp was not. Further, I explained why the leftist PropOrNot chart was misleading by explaining the difference between articles written by other authors, including those on the right, and the indigenous writers within the web site. Further, 30 seconds of looking would have told any competent person why trusting the PropOrNot team would be a bad idea: PropOrNot's grandiose fabrications and Even the WaPo doesn't believe them and The Intercept article As I said previously, you can remain ignorant if you so choose. I'm done discussing this topic. At no point was the chart "touted" as being RAND produced. It's pretty clearly labeled as to where they sourced the data (in those annotations I mentioned). Are you saying RAND is incapable of vetting the information it includes in its own studies? As an aside, your using one of the listed sites as an ostensibly objective refutation of said study is beyond laughable - "We have investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves of any wrongdoing." Once again, rando on the internet with the power of Google or a think tank charged with shaping national security policy going back 70+ years. Certainly a hard choice for the objective reader... With the corner you've painted yourself into, I can clearly see why you keep trying to hastily distance yourself from this conversation. Resume your absorption of Russian propaganda as fact at your own peril, just don't try and convince everyone else it's unassailable fact. More drivel. I've pointed out (with receipts) where you are wrong. Sucks to be you. Now back to the purpose of the thread. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:14:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Saw something suggesting China might not be exporting grain as it needs it for livestock. Don't know if accurate though. Believe I heard on news(?) that China is trying to replenish their swine population, which was supposedly larger than rest of world's combined, due to it having a big die off from disease. Apparently it takes great quantities of food stock to feed the new ones. Not a pig farmer so I don't really know. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:23:06 AM EDT
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Not sure if posted, but it shows Ka52 doing multiple gun runs before getting hit by manpad and then going down but successfully landing in a field. Happened near the start of the war. Pro-Russian channel so be warned.
Telegram Link Translation: from the Russian Ministry of Defense: shooting the Ka-52 and Mi-24 from the first person while escorting columns and ensuring security during the landing at the airfield in Gostomel. In the process of completing the task, the Ka-52 was hit when it covered the Mi-8 with a tactical assault force with its side. The leader's helicopter was fired upon by MANPADS from the ground and anti-aircraft guns 18 times. Having received damage, the crew made an emergency landing and took up all-round defense, which they held despite the continuous fire impact of the Armed Forces of Ukraine until the arrival of the second strike group of helicopters. The crew of the damaged helicopter was not injured and was evacuated to the base airfield by the second strike group of helicopters. Thanks to the courage and heroism of the crews of the forward strike group of Ka-52 and Mi-24 helicopters, the landing of the airborne units was carried out without losses. Geolocation at 01.05 — the helicopter is operating on the northern outskirts of Gostomel. #Kyiv #Russia #Ukraine |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:25:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring: That's because it was an escalation they were not willing to undertake. Now they have publicly warned the west again--so watch for it to happen. And then what? An extra super duper sternly worded statement with an implied threat of even more sternly worded proclamations without immediate compliance? When has trying to satisfy a bully ever worked, to stop him from bullying, now that he's satisfied?; I'm keen to know, please. Edify me.  Mr Herbert Sniffs the hat |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:29:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring: Can you explain to me--in coherent terms--why you are willing to start a nuclear war to prevent Russia from having too much political influence in Ukraine? Probably the part where Putin has stated many many times, it doesn't end with Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:33:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: I can see international coalitions forming and air/naval things happening to guarantee free navigation of international waters, especially food, especially in light of what happens when food is disrupted (Arab Spring). The entire world has an interest in those ships making it to their destinations. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: With Ukraine being a major exporter of wheat, you'd think this would be a major concern for the whole world. Ukraine war: Russia blocks ships carrying grain exports "Up to 300 ships have been stopped by Russian forces from departing the Black Sea, leaving one of the key global trade routes for grain virtually blocked. The fertile region is known as 'the world's breadbasket.'" They can't seriously expect to get away with this for very long. We need to stop using food for fuel. I can see international coalitions forming and air/naval things happening to guarantee free navigation of international waters, especially food, especially in light of what happens when food is disrupted (Arab Spring). The entire world has an interest in those ships making it to their destinations. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:33:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Ridiculously bad Russian pro war propaganda
Christ that irritates the shit out of me that they'd use St Isaac's for bullshit like that. It's just so shockingly bad... |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:33:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: Probably the part where Putin has stated many many times, it doesn't end with Ukraine. He *may* eventually take Ukraine by numbers and brute force alone. Only to find that occupation is worse by ten fold. How in the hell is he supposed to project forces into Poland or the Baltics, knowing it turns into a cockfight with NATO? If he tries this shit again, it will probably be Moldova or Georgia. let him commit and bleed them dry. The amount of Buck Turgidsons on here is alarming. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:34:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Are colonels generals? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By pr24guy: Originally Posted By ecophon:
Apologies if it's a repeat. What is that, like 5 or 6 top Generals? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/picard-UhOh-339.gif Are colonels generals? They don’t have a 1:1 for the 1 star rank, so in a way yes some are flagged as COL but performing as a General in their role. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:35:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:35:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring: Can you explain to me--in coherent terms--why you are willing to start a nuclear war to prevent Russia from having too much political influence in Ukraine? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring: Originally Posted By Consigli: Originally Posted By hiyaboa:
This will continue. Our nukes are a deterrent, but Biden isn't. He won't ever use them, and they know it. Can you explain to me--in coherent terms--why you are willing to start a nuclear war to prevent Russia from having too much political influence in Ukraine? How many countries will you be okay with Putin taking before calling his bluff? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:36:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Thought it is interesting that in Hungary and other places, ordinary Russians are feeling the effects as their cards don't know and they have no money and food. Wife unit helped a Russian couple get to their embassy in Budapest and also helped them get gas and food for their daughter and themselves. I told her to give them 100 euros. They look like a typical European couple but one can see that they are just as stressed and feeling helpless. I hope they end up being ok but with their bank cards not working and their cell phones shut off... I wish them good luck. Good for you. It's not only Ukrainian refugees that could use a hand. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:38:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By batjka104: Foreign Legion under fire in Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Iwzl7RI1JwSounded pretty hairy in the background. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:39:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: Probably the part where Putin has stated many many times, it doesn't end with Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: Originally Posted By Eight_Ring: Can you explain to me--in coherent terms--why you are willing to start a nuclear war to prevent Russia from having too much political influence in Ukraine? Probably the part where Putin has stated many many times, it doesn't end with Ukraine. And possibly the part where human nature ensures that nothing is ever enough. People be all like, "All I want is X, and I'll be completely satisfied, and if you don't give me X, I will go crazy ape bonkers with a drill and sex, believe that happy crappy!" And Chamberlain type soy betas be like , "Oh shit, don't do that! Here, have all the X, just don't hurt us! Do I have my butt cheeks spread wide enough? You promise to go away and never come back if I let you do this, right?" and as soon as the bully in question has his X, he wants more. It's nearly a certainty. I mean, the historic exceptions are nearly nonexistent as far as I know. Without snark or a hint of sarcasm, I'd love to hear about any exceptions you are aware of, because I've looked kind of hard and haven't found any yet. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:42:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:43:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: i'm kinda surprised they didn't do this from the outset. it's been killing them, literally. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Someone doesn't like atgms and manpads going to Ukraine Rattling the sabre on this again is interesting. Wonder if they might try to pop a relief column? i'm kinda surprised they didn't do this from the outset. it's been killing them, literally. Unless Russia wants war with the rest of the West, they aren't touching weapons convoys. C17 and other cargo planes heading into Poland would be carrying the weapons. Plenty of NATO assets to defend these as well. Russia has limited ability to even hit these convoys and airlifts. I also question their ability to hit them with any consistancy once in Ukraine. I hope our forces are smart enough to switch up border crossings and routes. Russia hasn't been able to do anything in western Ukraine except lob an occasional missile. They would need real time info on what is crossing and where. They ain't touching shit unless it is already in play in Eastern Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:44:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Well, since his given rank is colonel (польковник), not a general. Having said that, Russia itself has confirmed the deaths of three Major-Generals and Ukraine claims two more beyond that, including a Chechen Putin lackey who has not been seen since Ukraine claimed they offed him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Originally Posted By pr24guy: What is that, like 5 or 6 top Generals? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/picard-UhOh-339.gif Well, since his given rank is colonel (польковник), not a general. Having said that, Russia itself has confirmed the deaths of three Major-Generals and Ukraine claims two more beyond that, including a Chechen Putin lackey who has not been seen since Ukraine claimed they offed him. I got all giddy inside and just read it fast. I just know there have been a large number of high ranking commanders fertilizing the ground in a short time period. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:44:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: Probably the part where Putin has stated many many times, it doesn't end with Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: Originally Posted By Eight_Ring: Can you explain to me--in coherent terms--why you are willing to start a nuclear war to prevent Russia from having too much political influence in Ukraine? Probably the part where Putin has stated many many times, it doesn't end with Ukraine. More than just a 21st century version of the domino theory. There's a shitload of nuclear and would be nuclear tinhat shitbags waiting in the wings to see how it goes. You think North Korea isn't watching this shit with baited breath? How about Iran? "I am brutal enough to kill us all" is either a bluff or it isn't. I'm going to sit here, sip coffee, and watch Putin get his shit pushed in. Fuck him. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:45:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Not going to happen unless they are trying to drag nato into the war. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:45:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv:
I've been waiting for this play to happen. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:46:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: nickmemphis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Voltman: I sincerely doubt that anyone will do anything about it. Millions will starve, and the global oligarchy will turn a blind eye, and the western press will cover for them, and as long as the woke military industrial money laundering corruption train keeps chugging along, no one will care. Including the hand wringing isolationists on this forum. Making sure the world is fed is very important to global stability and prosperity, but I'm afraid that there is no leadership with enough foresight and fortitude to get involved in any meaningful way. In the meantime, let's keep making fuel out of our food supply. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Voltman: Originally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: With Ukraine being a major exporter of wheat, you'd think this would be a major concern for the whole world. Ukraine war: Russia blocks ships carrying grain exports "Up to 300 ships have been stopped by Russian forces from departing the Black Sea, leaving one of the key global trade routes for grain virtually blocked. The fertile region is known as 'the world's breadbasket.'" They can't seriously expect to get away with this for very long. We need to stop using food for fuel. I can see international coalitions forming and air/naval things happening to guarantee free navigation of international waters, especially food, especially in light of what happens when food is disrupted (Arab Spring). The entire world has an interest in those ships making it to their destinations. I used to think that, and I still am completely aware that it takes about 1.25 qts of oil Btus to make 1.0 Btus of ethanol, so it's paying more for less however you slice and dice the numbers, but it's not really impacting the food chain here. The still bottoms are fed to cattle and other livestock and it's premium fattening feedlot chow, so there's not any waste, it's all converted to beef, pork, chicken, et al, and manure eventually. The waste is all the fossil fuel used to make the sugars into usable fuel. making ethanol does not affect the protein content of the mash grains, only the sugars. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:46:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
That should work out well. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:47:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:47:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:48:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: Thought it is interesting that in Hungary and other places, ordinary Russians are feeling the effects as their cards don't know and they have no money and food. Wife unit helped a Russian couple get to their embassy in Budapest and also helped them get gas and food for their daughter and themselves. I told her to give them 100 euros. They look like a typical European couple but one can see that they are just as stressed and feeling helpless. I hope they end up being ok but with their bank cards not working and their cell phones shut off... I wish them good luck. Well done. More people caught in the middle. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:48:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Mal_means_bad]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Saw something suggesting China might not be exporting grain as it needs it for livestock. Don't know if accurate though. They're also trying to rebuild their ginormous pork herd (the vast majority of their protein) after they had to kill most of it due to African Swine Fever. The herd is mostly rebuilt, but they never successfully eradicated Swine Fever, so there's every chance it will happen again. Also they're experiencing fertilizer shortages, and the coal shortage this winter closed many greenhouses. Also they've got Avian Flu outbreaks in their ducks and chickens, with some human infections. Also a long running electricity and diesel fuel shortage. They bought most of the world's exported grain over the past few years and squirreled a lot of it away, and recently have been advising their people to store food for SHTF. China is very obviously worried about feeding itself. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:49:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: They don’t have a 1:1 for the 1 star rank, so in a way yes some are flagged as COL but performing as a General in their role. They are sometimes corporal captains, but I always write down one opposed, one against, in the officers club. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 8:49:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CZ75_9MM: Guessing the pilot got captured hence the footage being available. Released by the Russians today. |
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