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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:48:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:50:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:53:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: I just don't understand how it's 2022 and a supposedly modern military doesn't have real NVG capabilities. I remember reading articles years ago worrying that the US might have trouble in a near peer fight because of reliance on NVGs with active stuff like lasers and beacons, because a real enemy like the Russians could see them. I guess it wasn't an issue. I am very surprised the Russians aren't jamming drones. Neither side appears to be using ARMs, so I would have expected alot of jamming. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:53:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Putin is rumored to be purging the Kremlin of Russian officials he blames for the faltering invasion of Ukraine Nothing like massive turnover to make a faltering project run smoothly |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:55:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Ка-52  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c78O7zWwkrAhttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/01/9e/d9/019ed90c03021598cff052af8217576d.jpg Does the US equivalent Cobra/Apache cockpit shake like that? Looks like flying concussion machiene |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:55:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: There are links in that article to two articles about Right Sektor which were written by Jewish newspapers. This patch? https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CvTv7sjCPh4/U3nrUYphCqI/AAAAAAAABTY/jAovAm1PJ30/s320/85290_original.jpg or the standard one? See my post here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/OFFICIAL-Ukraine-conflict-thread/5-2499714/?page=297 (See moderators, I am making an effort to save site resources and post links to previous posts.  ) Reported. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:56:04 AM EDT
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https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/russian-troops-reportedly-shooting-themselves-in-the-legs-to-avoid-fighting/ |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:56:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: broken_reticle]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: I am very surprised the Russians aren't jamming drones. Neither side appears to be using ARMs, so I would have expected alot of jamming. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Originally Posted By Spade: I just don't understand how it's 2022 and a supposedly modern military doesn't have real NVG capabilities. I remember reading articles years ago worrying that the US might have trouble in a near peer fight because of reliance on NVGs with active stuff like lasers and beacons, because a real enemy like the Russians could see them. I guess it wasn't an issue. I am very surprised the Russians aren't jamming drones. Neither side appears to be using ARMs, so I would have expected alot of jamming. Read...somewhere...the Russians were having issues deploying any sort of counter measures due to their own reliance on them. Look at the unencrypted comms and cell phone usage. Most of the Ukrainian efforts do not appear to be autonomous, which makes the lack of blocking more interesting. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:56:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: So wait, and should Russia win, allow them to remake Ukraine as they wish, regroup, restock, and only then defend NATO. Considering Putin has made clear his plans, it seems interrupting his current plans in Ukraine is actually defending NATO but on NATOs terms. Seems plan and simple to me, and again, doesn't require troops ok the ground. The Russian army won’t recover from this for decades. We honor our NATO obligations and the rest of our members should do the same. Make sure everyone is meeting their obligations. If member nations want to help supply Ukraine as they are currently doing, it appears to have been enough to wreck the Russians for decades. Russia cannot “win” anymore. They list after the first 72 hours. No American soldiers in Ukraine. No American aircraft over Ukraine. We save that for Article 5. Which won’t happen because Putin will be long dead before Russia is a threat again. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:57:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:57:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: I just don't understand how it's 2022 and a supposedly modern military doesn't have real NVG capabilities. I remember reading articles years ago worrying that the US might have trouble in a near peer fight because of reliance on NVGs with active stuff like lasers and beacons, because a real enemy like the Russians could see them. I guess it wasn't an issue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By SpaceGuy: Paywalled, but I've gleaned a ton of info from comments and such. Ukrainians are using drones + bombs in the night via STARLINK of all things to fatally wreck the convoys. They have 50 squads of drone operators running missions all night long, because Russian NV/Thermal is so pitiful they can walk up and blow the convoys up. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/specialist-drone-unit-picks-off-invading-forces-as-they-sleep-zlx3dj7bb I just don't understand how it's 2022 and a supposedly modern military doesn't have real NVG capabilities. I remember reading articles years ago worrying that the US might have trouble in a near peer fight because of reliance on NVGs with active stuff like lasers and beacons, because a real enemy like the Russians could see them. I guess it wasn't an issue. It's not that our enemies don't have some decent night vision and thermal systems, the real secret is that every soldier in our military has access to it. Wearable goggles on the noggin, with an IR laser on your rifle make for some very rapid ends to arguments at night. If we would need to have more light discipline, we can do that too. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:58:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Does the US equivalent Cobra/Apache cockpit shake like that? Looks like flying concussion machiene Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By realwar: Ка-52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c78O7zWwkrAhttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/01/9e/d9/019ed90c03021598cff052af8217576d.jpg Does the US equivalent Cobra/Apache cockpit shake like that? Looks like flying concussion machiene I think I could shoot that out of the sky. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:58:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Ya it went both ways. I know that the Banderovtsi were aligned with the Nazis but they killed their own too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Blasko: For sure but not totally accurate, my wife’s maternal side of the family is from rural areas near where the Ukrainian border is and suffered from the Ukrainians aligned with Germany in ww2. Heard some very bad stories Ya it went both ways. I know that the Banderovtsi were aligned with the Nazis but they killed their own too. That's not accurate. Stephan Bandera spent most of the war in a German prison camp and his brother was executed by the Nazis. Ukrainians only "welcomed" Germans in the first few weeks they came into Ukraine just so they could fight the Russians since Stalin murdered 7-12 million of them in 1932. Some Ukrainians agreed to fight with the Germans against Russia but never swore any allegiance to Hitler. Never (I have read the agreements for the Galicia SS). Also, the Galicia SS funneled weapons to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army who were at war with Nazis and Russia. The Nazis took my Ukrainian grandparents home and business and executed many Ukrainians in their village for helping the UPA - they wound up in a German prisoner camp. My mother is still alive and still remembers all of it. Funny how no one calls Hungarians, Italians, or Romanians Nazis these days... See my post on this page: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/OFFICIAL-Ukraine-conflict-thread/5-2499714/?page=65with two links to a two part series on the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (if you like war documentaries you will like it).  Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) recruitment poster showing UPA soldier bayonetting two effigies, one Hitler and the other Stalin. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 11:58:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwglen: How about American Indians who multiple times gave up land for the promise of peace and a safe place to live. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwglen: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Hitler is always the example brought up of appeasement leading to greater aggressiveness. I've never heard another example used. I'm curious what other examples there are where this has happened? How about American Indians who multiple times gave up land for the promise of peace and a safe place to live. I dont really think that fits as parallel of appeasement for a number of reasons. In Czech case 1938, had Britain and France gone to war, its believed they very well could have defeated Hitler as in 1938 combined they had better arms, but by 1941 they didn't. I'm not entirely sure I believe that given the time it would take them to mobilize for an unpopular war (and time it took them to really mobilize post-poland) but thats the basic argument - they could have stopped him at CZ had they gone to war. The case of the Indians is different in several aspects -The Indians tried fighting multiple times, and generally lost. And given their technological lack of any industrial base, plus the generally divided nature of the various tribes, its hard to see them being able to ever have defeated Settlers / Britain / US gov. -Much of the initial territorial expansion against the Indians was based on random settlers scooping up land for homesteads, rather then some cohesive expansionist government policy. It was only by 1830 with the beginning of official govt policy of Indian Removal that this became the work of the US Gov taking the Indians lands in a systematic fashion. And by 1830 there was definitely no way the Indians could effectively fight the US effectively enough to retain their lands. Nor really was there any level of resistance that could have detered the US from pursuing Manifest Destiny. Overall I dont think its an example of the failures of appeasement. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:00:19 PM EDT
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A Chinese aircraft carrier on Thursday made a trip through the Taiwan Strait just hours ahead of President Biden's slated call with Chinese President Xi Jinping on Friday. "Around 10:30 a.m. the CV-17 appeared around 30 nautical miles to the southwest of Kinmen, and was photographed by a passenger on a civilian flight," a source familiar with the issue told Reuters. Taiwan's Ministry of Defense also confirmed the incident, giving no details but saying they know the "full grasp" of China's actions in the Taiwan Strait. The source added that Taiwan sent warships out and that the destroyer USS Ralph Johnson followed the Chinese ship for part of its trip. The U.S. vessel "conducted a routine Taiwan Strait transit March 17 (local time) through international waters in accordance with international law," U.S. Navy spokesperson Lt. Mark Langford said, according to Reuters. China's defense ministry told Reuters it was a "routine training schedule," although Reuter's source called the move "provocative" as it was so close to Biden's call with Xi. Biden and Xi are expected to talk about multiple issues, including Russia's invasion of Ukraine and China's tensions with Taiwan. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:01:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: These are the Russian speakers that Putin was going to liberate
Putin liberated the everloving fuck out of them.  
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:03:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Wow. I'm never would have thought it would have been so easy in 2022 to get a whole country brainwashed in a few weeks. I know you can point to examples from covid and the summer of love, but this just seems on a whole different level since their "reality" is so far from the truth, and much more widespread it seems. It's not "a few weeks." Russia hasn't had free media in years, they only get state-approved news, and it's been like that for years. Public news in Russia has been all about Ukrainian Nazi aggression in Donbas, how the liberation of Crimea saved Russians from oppression, Ukraine commits mass murder in Donetsk, etc, etc. A free and diverse media is critical to a civil society that doesn't try to rape its neighbors. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:03:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:05:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Doesn't do much good when your commander shoots the wounded rather than evac them. A lot easier to run & surrender with two good legs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/russian-troops-reportedly-shooting-themselves-in-the-legs-to-avoid-fighting/ Surely they don’t shoot their wounded? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:06:18 PM EDT
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LVIV, Ukraine "Jesus, what a fucked up country," John said in exasperation at the vagaries of the Polish rail system. John was one of the latest recruits for Ukrainian President Zelensky's Foreign Legion, bound for the Ukrainian city of Lviv where his recruiter had told him to report. A rail-thin, 20-something from Mobile, Alabama, John had tried the U.S. Army but left halfway through his enlistment due to "medical problems," he told me. I wondered if his medical problems had resolved sufficiently for him to be fighting the Russians but said nothing. Sporting woodland camouflage, a scraggly goatee, and thick glasses of the style made famous by Jeffrey Dahmer, John seemed to me to be an unlikely candidate. He soon confirmed that impression. "I wanted to fight, see," he explained, "But my mom said that I wouldn't be any good at that. So I figured, they are going to need someone to show them the way." The Way it turned out was not the Way to expel the Russians, but a different kind of Way. John was here to enlist in the Ukrainian Army as a chaplain. I tried to be encouraging but couldn't deflect an image of John delivering eulogies in broad Alabaman to uncomprehending Ukrainian soldiers as they headed up the line. Sorry about the no-fly zone thing President Zelensky, but we can save the Ukrainian people in other ways. John, incidentally, was one of the first prospective Legion recruits whom I met, but by all accounts, his story was not unusual. The initial crop of applicants has been a mixed bag with a swarm of Fantasists for every one candidate with experience in combat. And even combat experience means little in this war because trading shots with the Taliban or al Qaeda is quite different from crouching in a freezing foxhole being pummeled by artillery fire. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:06:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/russian-troops-reportedly-shooting-themselves-in-the-legs-to-avoid-fighting/ Kid near the front of the truck looks like he's 13. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:07:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: That's true, but I have a relative that did drug reporting and worked on articles about how Chinese drug plants had massive safety problems. Like, water leaks causing moldy ceilings with crap dripping on the production lines. So I dunno wtf they're doing with all the R&D they're stealing. They can steal all they want, implementing it is another story. Anyone can steal the plans for a nuke, building one that actually works is another issue. Manufacturing especially is a tribal knowledge industry, a lot of things you just have to figure out as you go and that assume you have the ambition to figure it out. In China it's chabuduo. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:08:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: That's not accurate. Stephan Bandera spent most of the war in a German prison camp and his brother was executed by the Nazis. Ukrainians only "welcomed" Germans in the first few weeks they came into Ukraine just so they could fight the Russians since Stalin murdered 7-12 million of them in 1932. Some Ukrainians agreed to fight with the Germans against Russia but never swore any allegiance to Hitler. Never (I have read the agreements for the Galicia SS). Also, the Galicia SS funneled weapons to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army who were at war with Nazis and Russia. The Nazis took my Ukrainian grandparents home and business and executed many Ukrainians in their village for helping the UPA - they wound up in a German prisoner camp. My mother is still alive and still remembers all of it. Funny how no one calls Hungarians, Italians, or Romanians Nazis these days... See my post on this page: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/OFFICIAL-Ukraine-conflict-thread/5-2499714/?page=65with two links to a two part series on the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (if you like war documentaries you will like it). https://m.day.kyiv.ua/sites/default/files/main/openpublish_article/20111222/475-8-1.jpg Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) recruitment poster showing UPA soldier bayonetting two effigies, one Hitler and the other Stalin. Oh but it is. Bandera wasn’t arrested by the Nazis until middle of 41, 2 years after the start of WW2. He was aligned with them until then. Also I never said they were pro Nazi. They were aligned with them as in aligned to fight against the Soviet’s. The fact remains is that the UPA targeted Poles big time. But they also went after their own who didn’t support their efforts. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:08:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: I am no genius by any stretch, but I am one inqusitive curious sumbitch, worse than a killed cat, so I sure would love to to hear a cogent explanation of the endgame here. I mean what the fuck FVP is thinking. I am more or less insane and retarded myself, as you all well know, probably, and I can't think of one even in a world where you can buy unobtainium sponge at the corner grocery. And sans sarcasm, I am genuinely curious. I am fond of hypothetical thought experiments just to enhance my neural net, if for no other reason. Flowers For Motherfucking Algernon. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By ad_nauseam: That's why it's such a dilemma. It's a lose-lose-lose situation. They cannot advance, they cannot leave and they cannot stand in one place, do nothing. There are no good outcomes. The best one would be an internal revolt, Oligarchs appointing another head of state in Kremlin but that's doubtful (but not impossible). I am no genius by any stretch, but I am one inqusitive curious sumbitch, worse than a killed cat, so I sure would love to to hear a cogent explanation of the endgame here. I mean what the fuck FVP is thinking. I am more or less insane and retarded myself, as you all well know, probably, and I can't think of one even in a world where you can buy unobtainium sponge at the corner grocery. And sans sarcasm, I am genuinely curious. I am fond of hypothetical thought experiments just to enhance my neural net, if for no other reason. Flowers For Motherfucking Algernon. Several endgames could provide a sliding scale of victory -Putin goes full Orc, levels much of Ukraine and eventually takes it over casualties be damned, then turns FSB loose against the insurgents, while driving much of the population of non-Russian Ukrainians into the EU. -Putin conquerers the southern port cities, creating a land bridge from Russia to Crimea to Transnistria in Moldova. This would cut all of Ukraine off from the sea, forcing Ukraine to have to work with Russia in some capacity to access the ports/ black sea. (notably his best fighting seems to be in the south...) -Putin fucks up enough shit in Ukraine that he creates sufficient pressure on the Ukrainian govt to offer him a good deal to leave (ie give up Crimea officially to Russia, Donbass autonomous buffer, never join NATO or EU) |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:09:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It's not that our enemies don't have some decent night vision and thermal systems, the real secret is that every soldier in our military has access to it. Wearable goggles on the noggin, with an IR laser on your rifle make for some very rapid ends to arguments at night. If we would need to have more light discipline, we can do that too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By SpaceGuy: Paywalled, but I've gleaned a ton of info from comments and such. Ukrainians are using drones + bombs in the night via STARLINK of all things to fatally wreck the convoys. They have 50 squads of drone operators running missions all night long, because Russian NV/Thermal is so pitiful they can walk up and blow the convoys up. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/specialist-drone-unit-picks-off-invading-forces-as-they-sleep-zlx3dj7bb I just don't understand how it's 2022 and a supposedly modern military doesn't have real NVG capabilities. I remember reading articles years ago worrying that the US might have trouble in a near peer fight because of reliance on NVGs with active stuff like lasers and beacons, because a real enemy like the Russians could see them. I guess it wasn't an issue. It's not that our enemies don't have some decent night vision and thermal systems, the real secret is that every soldier in our military has access to it. Wearable goggles on the noggin, with an IR laser on your rifle make for some very rapid ends to arguments at night. If we would need to have more light discipline, we can do that too. I figure. It's just baffling to me. Every US soldier has optics, lasers, all that. Shit, I can have it probably overnighted from TNVC if I had the money to drop. And most Russian soldiers are running around like it's 1985. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:09:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Remember that "edited" Russian diplomatic letter from yesterday? Russia, Canada diplomats spar over 'edited' letter Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Remember that "edited" Russian diplomatic letter from yesterday? Russia has accused Canada of "kindergarten-level" diplomacy in a Twitter tiff over a social media post by Canada's United Nations mission. The diplomatic spat is over a letter seeking support for a draft Russian resolution about aid in Ukraine. Canada posted the letter to Twitter with "suggested edits", which led to retweets from other UN missions. A Russian diplomat has called it "Russophobic libel". An image of the letter - annotated in red type - was posted on Canada's official UN mission Twitter account on Thursday. The letter, signed by Russian diplomat Vassily Nebenzia, had been sent to all UN members the previous day. In it, Mr Nebenzia says he is "reaching out with regards to an urgent matter related to the dire humanitarian situation in and around Ukraine".Canada's annotation adds to that line: "which we have caused as a result of our illegal war of aggression". The letter goes on to say that "Western colleagues" are "politicising the humanitarian issue". Canada adds "Do you think the UN membership actually believes this? Please explain."  It's a bit annoying that Canada of all places produced this epic burn, but it's still an epic burn. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:09:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Russian missile stockpile almost exhausted, arms industry working around the clock Now would be a great time to activate any Stuxnet-style viruses that might be inside their industrial machinery.  |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:10:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Those are some thick fucking walls inside that house. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By batjka104: Foreign Legion under fire in Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Iwzl7RI1JwThose are some thick fucking walls inside that house. Yes, that should be a lesson to us. Stick-built isn't going to cut it.
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:11:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Biden's call with Xi lasted 1hr-50min. Probably needed a lot of extra time to accommodate rambling stories about Corn Pop and children stroking his leg hairs in the pool. FJBLGB |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:11:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Meh If thy starve they starve They poisoned the planet (Insert tiny violin) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By jphi455: Believe I heard on news(?) that China is trying to replenish their swine population, which was supposedly larger than rest of world's combined, due to it having a big die off from disease. Apparently it takes great quantities of food stock to feed the new ones. Not a pig farmer so I don't really know. It wasn't a swine die-off, they slaughtered 2/3 of their pigs in an attempt to stop contain the virus, they failed. The pig population is massively important to the chinese diet. They are attempting to bring back their pig population before things get "bad" as a result of food shortages. It would be like if we slaughtered 2/3 of our beef cows, and a bunch of our chickens. Dollars to doughnuts they haven't learned anything about animal disease control either. Meh If thy starve they starve They poisoned the planet (Insert tiny violin) Wait a minute now! Can we send them some food, enough at least to feed the workers who build iPhones, MacBooks, and Teslas? I'm not talking long term, just long enough for Ukraine to build replacement factories for those products... |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:13:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By writerdeluxe2006: Surely they don’t shoot their wounded? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By writerdeluxe2006: Originally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/russian-troops-reportedly-shooting-themselves-in-the-legs-to-avoid-fighting/ Surely they don’t shoot their wounded? Bullets are cheaper than Russian Motrin |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:14:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Oh but it is. Bandera wasn’t arrested by the Nazis until middle of 41, 2 years after the start of WW2. He was aligned with them until then. Also I never said they were pro Nazi. They were aligned with them as in aligned to fight against the Soviet’s. The fact remains is that the UPA targeted Poles big time. But they also went after their own who didn’t support their efforts. Well,yes,because prior to that he was useful against the Soviets rather than a threat to German domination of Ukraine. I would rather hope nobody needs to tell you what big event happened in the middle of 1941. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:15:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Well,yes,because prior to that he was useful against the Soviets rather than a threat to German domination of Ukraine. I would rather hope nobody needs to tell you what big event happened in the middle of 1941. Oh I know. I just wanted to set the record straight that Bandera did work with them. Not saying he was a Nazi whatsoever. He was nationalist looking out for the interests of Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:16:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joshdb50: Did you miss the whole COVID thing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joshdb50: Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Wow. I'm never would have thought it would have been so easy in 2022 to get a whole country brainwashed in a few weeks. I know you can point to examples from covid and the summer of love, but this just seems on a whole different level since their "reality" is so far from the truth, and much more widespread it seems. Did you miss the whole COVID thing? IMO of course. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:17:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: None of the ZeroHedge fanboys took my challenge that Zerohedge.com pushes Russian narratives and THE challenge was: - do a count on pro-Ukraine articles over the last month - do a count on pro-Russia articles over the last month - do a count on articles you feel are balanced/neutral regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine over the last month Give us a list of the articles with a final count. Since no one did here are some from the other week (and I've read ZeroHedge for about a decade by the way): https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/donbas-rebel-leaders-formally-urge-immediate-russian-military-assistance https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/praise-ukrainian-neo-nazi-battalion-given-green-light-facebook-intercept - there are Jews in Azov and Right Sektor (Jewish leadership and special Jewish RS patch) and I posted three times proof and info here. Jewish President Zelensky supports Azov as do other Jewish leaders in Ukraine . By the way, Ukraine is the only country in the world, besides Israel, to have had a Jewish president and prime minister at the same time. Funny how Tyler never mentioned that. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/how-not-explain-ukraine-crisis If you can't identify the Russian/Kremlin talking points in those three articles you must have very poor understanding of: this conflict, the history of both nations, Russian propaganda, and the politics behind it. US Accuses Financial Website of Spreading Russian Propaganda - NEWSMAX: NEWSMAX... https://www.newsmax.com/money-wire/russian-propaganda-zero-hedge/2022/02/15/id/1056867/ AND THIS IS NOT THREAD SLIDING AS THIS KIND OF BS IS ALREADY AFFECTING VOTES IN CONGRESS BY INFLUENCING REPRESENTATIVES NOT TO SUPPORT MILITARY AID UKRAINE AND TO FAVOR RUSSIA. AT LEAST FOUR "PATRIOT" CONSERVATIVE CONGRESSMAN VOTED THIS WAY YESTERDAY AND ALL/MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN GUESTS ON ALEX JONES, TUCKER CARLSON, ETC. AND THEY ALL POST NEWS FROM ALTERNATIVE RIGHT NEWS SITES WHICH HAVE BEEN USING RT NEWS FOR MANY DECADES. INFO WARS CONSTANTLY RUNS BULLSHIT "HISTORY" (DOUBLE VERIFIED LOL!) ARTICLES ON UKRAINE WHICH ARE BOGUS IF ONE HAS STUDIED UKRAINIAN HISTORY - THEY ARE GREAT AT TWISTING THE TRUTH AND LEAVING OUT FACTS. THE ONLY MOTIVE THAT SOME OF THESE WEBSITES HAVE TO RELENTLESSLY DEFEND RUSSIA IS THAT THEY ARE GETTING PAID TO DO SO AND THEY ARE NOT REAL CONSERVATIVES BUT GREAT SHOWMEN/ACTORS - JUST USING HONEYPOT TOPICS LIKE: 2A, PREPPER/SURVIVALIST INFO, ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE, GLOBALIST HISTORY, FREE SPEECH, AND OTHER TOPICS TO SUCK IN CONSERVATIVES. Thoughts? @Ryan_Ruck @outofbattery @Shenanigunz I like your posts just fine, the trouble is that none of those types will read it, because the lizard people pedophile sex ring conspiracy stuff (and all the more-plausible stuff that they use to carry the message) is like cocaine for these people. "Oh boy, it's like choose your own adventure! But with my secret decoder ring and Alex Jones, I can save the country! You'll ALL be thanking me later!" I'm just asking questions...trying to out the controlled opposition...sounds like globohomo, to me!   |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:19:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spade: I figure. It's just baffling to me. Every US soldier has optics, lasers, all that. Shit, I can have it probably overnighted from TNVC if I had the money to drop. And most Russian soldiers are running around like it's 1985. How much money does Russia have to spend per soldier? You need to take their military budget and subtract all that spent on things like Borei class subs,developing the Su-57…all the way down to what they spend on an individual soldier. A conscript was making $26 per month before the war started and living in barracks that may or may not have heating or hot water. The conscripts were never meant for this kind of war,they thought it unnecessary to invest in them but also they don’t care how many are killed. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:20:54 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: I am no genius by any stretch, but I am one inqusitive curious sumbitch, worse than a killed cat, so I sure would love to to hear a cogent explanation of the endgame here. I mean what the fuck FVP is thinking. I am more or less insane and retarded myself, as you all well know, probably, and I can't think of one even in a world where you can buy unobtainium sponge at the corner grocery. And sans sarcasm, I am genuinely curious. I am fond of hypothetical thought experiments just to enhance my neural net, if for no other reason. Flowers For Motherfucking Algernon. Please just stop. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:21:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: That's not accurate. Stephan Bandera spent most of the war in a German prison camp and his brother was executed by the Nazis. Ukrainians only "welcomed" Germans in the first few weeks they came into Ukraine just so they could fight the Russians since Stalin murdered 7-12 million of them in 1932. Some Ukrainians agreed to fight with the Germans against Russia but never swore any allegiance to Hitler. Never (I have read the agreements for the Galicia SS). Also, the Galicia SS funneled weapons to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army who were at war with Nazis and Russia. The Nazis took my Ukrainian grandparents home and business and executed many Ukrainians in their village for helping the UPA - they wound up in a German prisoner camp. My mother is still alive and still remembers all of it. Funny how no one calls Hungarians, Italians, or Romanians Nazis these days... See my post on this page: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/OFFICIAL-Ukraine-conflict-thread/5-2499714/?page=65with two links to a two part series on the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (if you like war documentaries you will like it). https://m.day.kyiv.ua/sites/default/files/main/openpublish_article/20111222/475-8-1.jpg Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) recruitment poster showing UPA soldier bayonetting two effigies, one Hitler and the other Stalin. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Blasko: For sure but not totally accurate, my wife’s maternal side of the family is from rural areas near where the Ukrainian border is and suffered from the Ukrainians aligned with Germany in ww2. Heard some very bad stories Ya it went both ways. I know that the Banderovtsi were aligned with the Nazis but they killed their own too. That's not accurate. Stephan Bandera spent most of the war in a German prison camp and his brother was executed by the Nazis. Ukrainians only "welcomed" Germans in the first few weeks they came into Ukraine just so they could fight the Russians since Stalin murdered 7-12 million of them in 1932. Some Ukrainians agreed to fight with the Germans against Russia but never swore any allegiance to Hitler. Never (I have read the agreements for the Galicia SS). Also, the Galicia SS funneled weapons to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army who were at war with Nazis and Russia. The Nazis took my Ukrainian grandparents home and business and executed many Ukrainians in their village for helping the UPA - they wound up in a German prisoner camp. My mother is still alive and still remembers all of it. Funny how no one calls Hungarians, Italians, or Romanians Nazis these days... See my post on this page: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/OFFICIAL-Ukraine-conflict-thread/5-2499714/?page=65with two links to a two part series on the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (if you like war documentaries you will like it). https://m.day.kyiv.ua/sites/default/files/main/openpublish_article/20111222/475-8-1.jpg Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) recruitment poster showing UPA soldier bayonetting two effigies, one Hitler and the other Stalin. The only ones calling Hungarians nazis are people like you and the Russians. Nobody else.......but we are constantly reminded that we were Hitlers last ally during the war when in fact it was a coup and installation of a puppet Nazi that did it. In the end.. Hungary has been constantly neutral with the Ukraine situation because of your minority rights laws in place currently in the largely FORMERLY EX Hungarian regions of Ukraine that was ALWAYS Hungarian since the year 1000 AD. Your laws prevent the education and speaking of Hungarian in those regions and for several years, Ukraine has largely ignored Hungary's protest about it. In the end, Ukraine isn't perfect but for people to say it is.....are willfully being ignorant. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:22:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:22:41 PM EDT
[#40]
WASHINGTON (AP) President Joe Biden's campaign to unite the globe against the Russian invasion of Ukraine is being challenged not only by adversaries such as China but also by the world's most populous democracy, India. An Indian government official said on Friday that the country will increase its imports of Russian oil, allowing it to boost energy supplies at a discount as its economy struggles to recover from the coronavirus pandemic. The official, who was not authorized to talk to reporters and spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the latest purchase was 3 million barrels. Although India isn't alone in buying Russian energy several European allies such as Germany have continued to do so the decision conflicts with Biden's efforts to isolate Russia's economy with sanctions. The increased flow of oil could further strain the relationship between Washington and New Delhi, which has already been tested by India's recent procurement of advanced Russian air defense systems. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:23:29 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Oh but it is. Bandera wasn’t arrested by the Nazis until middle of 41, 2 years after the start of WW2. He was aligned with them until then. Also I never said they were pro Nazi. They were aligned with them as in aligned to fight against the Soviet’s. The fact remains is that the UPA targeted Poles big time. But they also went after their own who didn’t support their efforts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: That's not accurate. Stephan Bandera spent most of the war in a German prison camp and his brother was executed by the Nazis. Ukrainians only "welcomed" Germans in the first few weeks they came into Ukraine just so they could fight the Russians since Stalin murdered 7-12 million of them in 1932. Some Ukrainians agreed to fight with the Germans against Russia but never swore any allegiance to Hitler. Never (I have read the agreements for the Galicia SS). Also, the Galicia SS funneled weapons to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army who were at war with Nazis and Russia. The Nazis took my Ukrainian grandparents home and business and executed many Ukrainians in their village for helping the UPA - they wound up in a German prisoner camp. My mother is still alive and still remembers all of it. Funny how no one calls Hungarians, Italians, or Romanians Nazis these days... See my post on this page: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/OFFICIAL-Ukraine-conflict-thread/5-2499714/?page=65with two links to a two part series on the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (if you like war documentaries you will like it). https://m.day.kyiv.ua/sites/default/files/main/openpublish_article/20111222/475-8-1.jpg Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) recruitment poster showing UPA soldier bayonetting two effigies, one Hitler and the other Stalin. Oh but it is. Bandera wasn’t arrested by the Nazis until middle of 41, 2 years after the start of WW2. He was aligned with them until then. Also I never said they were pro Nazi. They were aligned with them as in aligned to fight against the Soviet’s. The fact remains is that the UPA targeted Poles big time. But they also went after their own who didn’t support their efforts. 1941 was when the US joined in as you know, still considered to be the beginning of the war. Yes they targeted Poles. Do you think that Polish occupation of western Ukraine was a cakewalk for Ukrainians? Poles were moved into Ukrainian villages (by the thousands) and Ukrainians had to give up their homes and farmland without compensation. Ukrainians were beaten, jailed, and sometimes executed for using the Ukrainian language and Cyrillic alphabet(especially in schools) and for being Orthodox- many were forced to convert to Roman Catholicism. My Ukrainian grandmother used to have to turn her head sometimes to hear because a police official held her down and rammed a stick into her ear to punish her. So when people say how brutal Ukrainians were to Poles, remember that the Poles enforced a totalitarian government on them. The only good thing that came of it was that Stalin was prevented from enacting the Holodomor on western Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:25:07 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Ка-52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c78O7zWwkrAhttps://i.pinimg.com/originals/01/9e/d9/019ed90c03021598cff052af8217576d.jpg Any translation for what they are saying back and forth? |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:25:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Russia's top state-controlled energy company is set to cash in on a $10 billion contract to build out one of Iran's most contested nuclear sites as part of concessions granted in the soon-to-be-announced nuclear agreement that will guarantee sanctions on both countries are lifted. Russian and Iranian documents translated for the Washington Free Beacon show that Rosatom, Russia's leading energy company, has a $10 billion contract with Iran's atomic energy organization to expand Tehran's Bushehr nuclear plant. Russia and the Biden administration confirmed on Tuesday that the new nuclear agreement includes carveouts that will waive sanctions on both countries so that Russia can make good on this contract. "We, of course, would not sanction Russian participation in nuclear projects that are part of resuming full implementation of the JCPOA," State Department spokesman Ned Price confirmed on Tuesday, referring to the original 2015 nuclear accord. Russia's foreign ministry made a similar statement on Tuesday, saying that "additions were made to the text of the future agreement on JCPOA restoration to ensure that all the JCPOA-related projects, [especially] with Russian participation, as well as Bushehr [nuclear power plant], are protected from negative impact of anti-Russian restrictions" by the United States and European Union. The removal of these sanctions will provide Moscow's Rosatom company with a critical source of revenue as American and European sanctions crush Russia's economy in response to its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. The concessions to Moscow have generated frustration on Capitol Hill, with top Republican leaders accusing the Biden administration of weakening penalties on Russia to secure an agreement with Iran. Moscow has served as the United States' top interlocutor in talks, even as the country's war machine rolls across Ukraine. The Free Beacon first reported on Tuesday that a policy document circulating among lawmakers exposes how the new nuclear agreement will create a "sanctions evasion hub" for Russian president Vladimir Putin. A State Department spokesman, speaking on background, told the Free Beacon the administration continues "to engage with Russia on a return to full implementation of the JCPOA. As Secretary Blinken said last week, 'Russia continues to be engaged in those efforts, and it has its own interests in ensuring that Iran is not able to acquire a nuclear weapon.'" The official further confirmed that the United States will "not sanction Russian participation in nuclear projects that are part of resuming full implementation of the JCPOA," such as work on Iran's civilian nuclear program. "The United States will take actions as necessary to ensure that U.S. sanctions do not apply to the implementation of JCPOA nuclear-related projects and activities by non-U.S. individuals and entities," the official said. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:26:55 PM EDT
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Some pics and details about Russia's loitering drones.
Pics seem to suggest maybe they are not exploding as designed?  https://theaviationist.com/2022/03/17/russia-loitering-munitions-in-ukraine/ As we are nearing the end of the third week since the beginning of the Russian invasion in Ukraine, the first reports about the use of loitering munitions in this conflict have started to emerge. So far, Russia appeared to avoid using unmanned assets, contrary to Ukraine which used every type of drones available, including the Commercial Off-The-Shelf (COTS) consumer drones from DJI and similar brands. Only recently, the Russian Ministry of Defence began posting online footage from its unmanned aerial vehicles, as photos on social medias showed the first Russian drones captured or shot down by Ukrainian forces. Among those, photos confirming the use of Russian loitering munitions emerged between Saturday and Monday, showing Zala Kyb loitering munitions which were either shot down or malfunctioned without detonating near Kyiv. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:27:06 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Oh I know. I just wanted to set the record straight that Bandera did work with them. Not saying he was a Nazi whatsoever. He was nationalist looking out for the interests of Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By outofbattery: Well,yes,because prior to that he was useful against the Soviets rather than a threat to German domination of Ukraine. I would rather hope nobody needs to tell you what big event happened in the middle of 1941. Oh I know. I just wanted to set the record straight that Bandera did work with them. Not saying he was a Nazi whatsoever. He was nationalist looking out for the interests of Ukraine. Fair enough. Thanks for supporting Ukrainians with your banner. 
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:27:17 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/75/345AACCB-B8B5-4B6B-8015-1177018D2285-2317627.jpg |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:27:41 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: It's more likely to only apply in the current situation. The lack of expensive modern optics is likely the direct result of rampant corruption of the Russian procurement system and not indicative of other peer/near peer adversaries' inventories. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By Spade: I just don't understand how it's 2022 and a supposedly modern military doesn't have real NVG capabilities. I remember reading articles years ago worrying that the US might have trouble in a near peer fight because of reliance on NVGs with active stuff like lasers and beacons, because a real enemy like the Russians could see them. I guess it wasn't an issue. Good point. NVGs are valuable items that also happen to be relatively small, easily portable, easy to hide. Chances are 90% of NVGs issued to Russian troops would be stolen and sold on the black market. It would be an expensive investment resulting in almost no fieldable capability. They probably know this so they didn't spend money on equipping their troops with it. |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:28:21 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: How much money does Russia have to spend per soldier? You need to take their military budget and subtract all that spent on things like Borei class subs,developing the Su-57…all the way down to what they spend on an individual soldier. A conscript was making $26 per month before the war started and living in barracks that may or may not have heating or hot water. The conscripts were never meant for this kind of war,they thought it unnecessary to invest in them but also they don’t care how many are killed. They blew a bunch of money hauling their shitbox carrier to the Med, losing a few fighters then hauling it back for several more years of repairs, revitalizing the Blackjack fleet, all the money they waste getting intercepted by the Brits and Norwegians, and their fuck around games in Syria making videos of them bombing kids there too |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:28:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/75/345AACCB-B8B5-4B6B-8015-1177018D2285-2317627.jpg 2 edgy 4 me |
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Posted: 3/18/2022 12:28:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: I like your posts just fine, the trouble is that none of those types will read it, because the lizard people pedophile sex ring conspiracy stuff (and all the more-plausible stuff that they use to carry the message) is like cocaine for these people. "Oh boy, it's like choose your own adventure! But with my secret decoder ring and Alex Jones, I can save the country! You'll ALL be thanking me later!" I'm just asking questions...trying to out the controlled opposition...sounds like globohomo, to me! /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/crazykat-330.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: None of the ZeroHedge fanboys took my challenge that Zerohedge.com pushes Russian narratives and THE challenge was: - do a count on pro-Ukraine articles over the last month - do a count on pro-Russia articles over the last month - do a count on articles you feel are balanced/neutral regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine over the last month Give us a list of the articles with a final count. Since no one did here are some from the other week (and I've read ZeroHedge for about a decade by the way): https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/donbas-rebel-leaders-formally-urge-immediate-russian-military-assistance https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/praise-ukrainian-neo-nazi-battalion-given-green-light-facebook-intercept - there are Jews in Azov and Right Sektor (Jewish leadership and special Jewish RS patch) and I posted three times proof and info here. Jewish President Zelensky supports Azov as do other Jewish leaders in Ukraine . By the way, Ukraine is the only country in the world, besides Israel, to have had a Jewish president and prime minister at the same time. Funny how Tyler never mentioned that. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/how-not-explain-ukraine-crisis If you can't identify the Russian/Kremlin talking points in those three articles you must have very poor understanding of: this conflict, the history of both nations, Russian propaganda, and the politics behind it. US Accuses Financial Website of Spreading Russian Propaganda - NEWSMAX: NEWSMAX... https://www.newsmax.com/money-wire/russian-propaganda-zero-hedge/2022/02/15/id/1056867/ AND THIS IS NOT THREAD SLIDING AS THIS KIND OF BS IS ALREADY AFFECTING VOTES IN CONGRESS BY INFLUENCING REPRESENTATIVES NOT TO SUPPORT MILITARY AID UKRAINE AND TO FAVOR RUSSIA. AT LEAST FOUR "PATRIOT" CONSERVATIVE CONGRESSMAN VOTED THIS WAY YESTERDAY AND ALL/MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN GUESTS ON ALEX JONES, TUCKER CARLSON, ETC. AND THEY ALL POST NEWS FROM ALTERNATIVE RIGHT NEWS SITES WHICH HAVE BEEN USING RT NEWS FOR MANY DECADES. INFO WARS CONSTANTLY RUNS BULLSHIT "HISTORY" (DOUBLE VERIFIED LOL!) ARTICLES ON UKRAINE WHICH ARE BOGUS IF ONE HAS STUDIED UKRAINIAN HISTORY - THEY ARE GREAT AT TWISTING THE TRUTH AND LEAVING OUT FACTS. THE ONLY MOTIVE THAT SOME OF THESE WEBSITES HAVE TO RELENTLESSLY DEFEND RUSSIA IS THAT THEY ARE GETTING PAID TO DO SO AND THEY ARE NOT REAL CONSERVATIVES BUT GREAT SHOWMEN/ACTORS - JUST USING HONEYPOT TOPICS LIKE: 2A, PREPPER/SURVIVALIST INFO, ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE, GLOBALIST HISTORY, FREE SPEECH, AND OTHER TOPICS TO SUCK IN CONSERVATIVES. Thoughts? @Ryan_Ruck @outofbattery @Shenanigunz I like your posts just fine, the trouble is that none of those types will read it, because the lizard people pedophile sex ring conspiracy stuff (and all the more-plausible stuff that they use to carry the message) is like cocaine for these people. "Oh boy, it's like choose your own adventure! But with my secret decoder ring and Alex Jones, I can save the country! You'll ALL be thanking me later!" I'm just asking questions...trying to out the controlled opposition...sounds like globohomo, to me! /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/crazykat-330.gif Thank you |
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