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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:16:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
Lmao alco-battalion indeed! Russians never cease to amaze me with their alcoholism. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:22:28 PM EST
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:23:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
The volkssturm's morale appears low. Two weeks of beatings, assrape, and verbal abuse is going to do wonders for them. Hope someone is working on the "Turn your guns on your masters! We both know you are not the ones that deserve to die!" propaganda leaflets. Maybe some "We welcome your help fighting evil men. We both want peace." as well. The very thin veneer of that shitty situation has got to have nine tenths of them just waiting for a chance to split. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:23:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: A drone dropped an explosive device on the administration of Melitopol https://ria.ru/20220923/melitopol-1818955321.html MOSCOW, Sep 23 - RIA Novosti. A Ukrainian drone dropped an explosive device near the administration of Melitopol on Friday morning, there were no injuries, Reported head of the regional administration Yevgeny Balitsky. "Today at seven in the morning, before the opening of the polling stations, when people went to work, some explosive object was dropped from a drone, so far I have no information, but it crashed so that the city heard. Near the administration, cars were mostly damaged, people were not injured. It was, apparently, a frightening action," Balitsky said on the TV channel "Russia 24". Similar provocations, he said, are recorded in other cities of the region. Seeing Ukraines ability to accurately drop munitions from drones. They may have missed on purpose. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:24:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Fuck him and his mom. They were fine with other people dying in the war. They were fine with the war until it was his turn in the grinder. I absolutely get that. I just find it hard to not have some sympathy, certainly there are plenty who are just idiots and believed all the horseshit they were fed. Then again, an idiot poppin shots can just as easily kill me as the smart guy. War really is hell. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:25:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: If my job was to destabilize Russia I'd mail mobilization summons to another million guys at random. As well as follow-on death notifications and death benefit checks. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:28:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: things are changing around the world
Dang. I wish that street justice attitude would come to New York of LA. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:33:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sywagon: I've posted this a few times, but it's worth repeating. Let's not ever forget that the Atlantic Council were pay for play RU stooges who were directly involved in whitewashing Burisma and enabling the development of EU dependence on RU energy. If they want to pretend to be on the good side now that the winds have changed, it is just an act and they will just go where they think the money will be. Fuck the Atlantic Council. https://thegrayzone.com/2019/10/13/dcs-atlantic-council-raked-in-funding-from-hunter-bidens-corruption-stained-employer-while-courting-his-vp-father/ "The shady arrangement between the Atlantic Council and Burisma the gas company at the center of the 'Ukrainegate' scandal is just one dubious deal out of many at a DC think tank that has become a clearinghouse for legal corruption."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjmjqlOPd6AThat is interesting. I bet if we knew all the corruption and double dealing involving "respected" people organizations we would cry. Everyone and every organization has to be viewed with skepticism and through our own critical thinking process. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:40:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: I'm on extra morphine today, so is it my eyes, or is that front drive sprocket catywompass? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By fadedsun: https://i.postimg.cc/0NbnKHrP/C21208-E0-3753-4-EF9-85-EC-EE409-E8-DEA11.jpg What is the writing on the side of this tank? I'm on extra morphine today, so is it my eyes, or is that front drive sprocket catywompass? Maybe? The track certainly is! |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:44:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: ITCHY-FINGER]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: do they transport the sph to the front on a truck and trailer or do they drive it? Seems like a gas hog either way That is my concern with the self-propelled arty. If the engine/vehicle part goes out you are now screwed. With towed arty, you can always find a new prime mover to pull it. Beat severely by R0N. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:44:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: This is actually soviet war doctrine. Soviet troops were trained and equipped to be traveling through a nuclear waste zone buttoned up in their vehicles with basically no resistance. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By sq40: Russia, if it were smart, would train and equip the bulk of the new mobilization troops up and stage another invasion force. Then use tactical nukes on major Ukrainian cities. Then send in the troops to mop up and take the country. Just feeding the grinder is a loser for them. This is actually soviet war doctrine. Soviet troops were trained and equipped to be traveling through a nuclear waste zone buttoned up in their vehicles with basically no resistance. That may be how they were trained. The reality is that if they're in the fallout zone during the first couple of days, they'll all be getting a lethal dose, buttoned up in the vehicles or not. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:52:42 PM EST
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Preliminary turnout at referendum in Zaporizhia region was 20.52% - CEC head
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:52:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Doubt. Poland prez already said if they use nukes nothing will really happen. More sanctions and isolation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By panthermark:  If they use a tactical nuke, the gloves come off and NATO goes in balls deep....hard....and dry. Plus, would you want to be a trooper being sent into a country with radiation everywhere? Doubt. Poland prez already said if they use nukes nothing will really happen. More sanctions and isolation. What I do think would happen is that any country currently aligned with RUS - except for some of the hardcore third world shitholes - would re-assess that alignment. The sanctions currently in place would get enhanced, and further sanctions would be applied, likely to any nation that remains aligned. It's unlikely any NATO member would directly engage, other than with direct support for UKR. m |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:54:52 PM EST
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Im pretty sure that’s why they were towing it.
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Posted: 9/23/2022 12:58:08 PM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:01:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:02:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: That may be how they were trained. The reality is that if they're in the fallout zone during the first couple of days, they'll all be getting a lethal dose, buttoned up in the vehicles or not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grambosc: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By sq40: Russia, if it were smart, would train and equip the bulk of the new mobilization troops up and stage another invasion force. Then use tactical nukes on major Ukrainian cities. Then send in the troops to mop up and take the country. Just feeding the grinder is a loser for them. This is actually soviet war doctrine. Soviet troops were trained and equipped to be traveling through a nuclear waste zone buttoned up in their vehicles with basically no resistance. That may be how they were trained. The reality is that if they're in the fallout zone during the first couple of days, they'll all be getting a lethal dose, buttoned up in the vehicles or not. Couple that with fallout modeling being more complex than weather prediction... Not that Mother Russia is above sending in 5000 dudes, and knowing they will be too sick to fight in 48 hours. ... and then sending in another 5K Still stupid though. At the point where they pop shiva out of the bottle, Ukraine will be but one item on a large list of huge problems. While they send oompa loompas in to occupy Sievertville, every major troop concentration and CIC nexus will be busy being vaporized. I'm sure there's a bunch of pudgy old men sitting around muttering about limited nuclear war.  I hope a few of them realize they are full of shit. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:04:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:05:01 PM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:05:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendelsbane: Maybe? The track certainly is! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grendelsbane: Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By fadedsun: https://i.postimg.cc/0NbnKHrP/C21208-E0-3753-4-EF9-85-EC-EE409-E8-DEA11.jpg What is the writing on the side of this tank? I'm on extra morphine today, so is it my eyes, or is that front drive sprocket catywompass? Maybe? The track certainly is! |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:10:14 PM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:11:09 PM EST
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Just from reading and looking around different sources about NBC being used, I think US/Nato would respond with sinking anything in the Atlantic/Baltic/Med. I also think that any base outside of Russia proper would be vaporized.
There has to be a response. A nuclear response? No. A devastating, conventional, overwhelming response to Russia, China, NK, Iran, India, and Pakistan......or another bad actor who might get one? If we don't, we invite all kinds of other issues. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:12:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:15:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Youre 100% correct. But you also have to understand the Russian way of viewing the world. Their government sucks and they know it. They KNOW it will NEVER change no matter what they do. That's what their history has taught them. You stand up, you go to gulag. Most have not read Soltzinitzen (sp). Now, we could explain to them that nobody could stop a million Russians from overthrowing Putin but they would probably respond with "yeah then someone even worse will come". I'm not excusing it, but this is just the way it is. That said, there's a still a limit I suppose. No idea where it's at though. I think you are correct. The first priority of Russian society is order. They want ORDER and predictability, even if it's predictably shitty. Lots of Russians complained about life in the 90's after the collapse and some spoke publicly about wanting a "Stalin" back. They just want ONE dictator instead of thousands of little dictators, mafia, etc. I'm sure than many now realize that Putin is bringing chaos and danger, but they also KNOW that the next leader is more often than not worse than the last. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:15:36 PM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:16:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: The volkssturm's morale appears low. Two weeks of beatings, assrape, and verbal abuse is going to do wonders for them. Hope someone is working on the "Turn your guns on your masters! We both know you are not the ones that deserve to die!" propaganda leaflets. Maybe some "We welcome your help fighting evil men. We both want peace." as well. The very thin veneer of that shitty situation has got to have nine tenths of them just waiting for a chance to split. This whole situation kinda reminds me of the situation of the Russian army in WW1 leading up to the revolutions of 1917. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:17:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By acrocat: Given his current size, Steven Seagal needs a mobility scooter before he can be mobilized. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By acrocat: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: If Steven Segal gets the call, we/UA are fucked. I've seen him do some shit... Given his current size, Steven Seagal needs a mobility scooter before he can be mobilized. Just tell him the UA set up a buffet! He'd be like the Tasmanian Devil. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:19:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:20:24 PM EST
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Some old Ivans got smoked in their mystery van by UA small arms.
What a shitty way to go and for less than nothing.
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:21:48 PM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:25:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: This war keeps revealing more amazing ways that the Russians completely fucked themselves with corruption. Both on the individual and institutional levels. Indeed! Angles and avenues I would have never imagined. Russia has cut its own throat. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:27:11 PM EST
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Moar HIMARS food.
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:28:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: They are treated just like other armored vehicles, the preferred means to move them is via transport to as close to where they will be used to prevent wear and tear. The big reason the USMC got rid of SPs in the late 80s was the mobility portion of the system is the most maintenance intense portion of the system, and guns were generally down because they could not be driven. But with towed weapons, if the prime mover goes down, you don’t lose the system, you just replace the prime mover and drive on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: Originally Posted By Featureless: Originally Posted By Glock63: Originally Posted By AROKIE: not really, when used in firebases like we did in afghanistan that covered an AO, towed artillery worked perfect. But if you are moving frontlines and shooting and moving then mobile artillery is King. An army needs both to be effective A self propelled howitzer can sit at a firebase just as well as a towed piece if the need arises. I guess lighter towed guns might be needed in the inventory in case they need to be airlifted to remote locations. Towed gear can be towed by a wide range of tow vehicles. Self propelled is harder and heavier to move if the propulsion gear fails or is damaged. do they transport the sph to the front on a truck and trailer or do they drive it? Seems like a gas hog either way They are treated just like other armored vehicles, the preferred means to move them is via transport to as close to where they will be used to prevent wear and tear. The big reason the USMC got rid of SPs in the late 80s was the mobility portion of the system is the most maintenance intense portion of the system, and guns were generally down because they could not be driven. But with towed weapons, if the prime mover goes down, you don’t lose the system, you just replace the prime mover and drive on. You would know better than me, but it strikes me that with the modern counterbattery options the OR problems of self propelled guns would pale compared to the losses of towed guns that weren’t packed in time. With truck mounted guns that can be towed by other trucks or even other SPHs in a pinch at least to get them to a hide site where they can be repaired, I suspect that the calculus may not be what it was in the past. Hell, if you use a truck chassis in common for the support and gun trucks, you could probably set it up to swap between flat bed and gun in the field in under an hour if you had the right cranes or forklifts. The footage of counterbattery chewing up a field the Caesar’s recently left made a mark on me. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:31:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I agree with you there, I wish we did not get rid of DPICM. I asked a lib what she would tell the child of a Ukrainian soldier who died because the munitions we sent were unitary instead of the more effective cluster munitions. Vapor lock. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:33:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub:
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:34:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Some old Ivans got smoked in their mystery van by UA small arms. What a shitty way to go and for less than nothing.
Yup. Doesnt look like they were armed or being "tactical". They probably were not given a chance to surrender but they should have tried instead of running the road block or whatever happened. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:35:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub:
That ain’t gonna go over well; Vodka is the only reason they are as efficient as they currently are. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:35:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: You would know better than me, but it strikes me that with the modern counterbattery options the OR problems of self propelled guns would pale compared to the losses of towed guns that weren’t packed in time. With truck mounted guns that can be towed by other trucks or even other SPHs in a pinch at least to get them to a hide site where they can be repaired, I suspect that the calculus may not be what it was in the past. Hell, if you use a truck chassis in common for the support and gun trucks, you could probably set it up to swap between flat bed and gun in the field in under an hour if you had the right cranes or forklifts. The footage of counterbattery chewing up a field the Caesar’s recently left made a mark on me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: Originally Posted By Featureless: Originally Posted By Glock63: Originally Posted By AROKIE: not really, when used in firebases like we did in afghanistan that covered an AO, towed artillery worked perfect. But if you are moving frontlines and shooting and moving then mobile artillery is King. An army needs both to be effective A self propelled howitzer can sit at a firebase just as well as a towed piece if the need arises. I guess lighter towed guns might be needed in the inventory in case they need to be airlifted to remote locations. Towed gear can be towed by a wide range of tow vehicles. Self propelled is harder and heavier to move if the propulsion gear fails or is damaged. do they transport the sph to the front on a truck and trailer or do they drive it? Seems like a gas hog either way They are treated just like other armored vehicles, the preferred means to move them is via transport to as close to where they will be used to prevent wear and tear. The big reason the USMC got rid of SPs in the late 80s was the mobility portion of the system is the most maintenance intense portion of the system, and guns were generally down because they could not be driven. But with towed weapons, if the prime mover goes down, you don’t lose the system, you just replace the prime mover and drive on. You would know better than me, but it strikes me that with the modern counterbattery options the OR problems of self propelled guns would pale compared to the losses of towed guns that weren’t packed in time. With truck mounted guns that can be towed by other trucks or even other SPHs in a pinch at least to get them to a hide site where they can be repaired, I suspect that the calculus may not be what it was in the past. Hell, if you use a truck chassis in common for the support and gun trucks, you could probably set it up to swap between flat bed and gun in the field in under an hour if you had the right cranes or forklifts. The footage of counterbattery chewing up a field the Caesar’s recently left made a mark on me. I think a good hybrid would be build a gun like the BSV-10 Viking. A gun on the non-powered unit and a separable power pack. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:35:49 PM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:38:48 PM EST
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:41:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:42:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PanzerOfDoom: That ain’t gonna go over well; Vodka is the only reason they are as efficient as they currently are. 100% that’s someone trolling. They are making an allusion to the fiasco of WWI mobilization and policies. It was an enormous failure then and no one’s going to repeat it. For one, it destroyed one major - and reliable - source of government revenue and crippled government finances at the time. It’s just a troll to make people chatter. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:44:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub:
Holy shit, vodka is the fuel that Russia runs on. Turn that tap off and there will be massive riots. If true, that will be the end of the current Russian government. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:46:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: I think a good hybrid would be build a gun like the BSV-10 Viking. A gun on the non-powered unit and a separable power pack. I was going to say something about a series hybrid but figured that might be too adventurous. It would make pulling a pack very very easy, and if you lose a drive unit on a wheeled unit it’s easy to swap or you can run on fewer of them. Easy to transmit power through an articulated setup whether tracked or wheeled too. And there’s your generator instead of having one or several per gun. Most importantly I don’t see why the price on these in quantity wouldn’t be cheap enough that the savings from not having a gun crew killed by counterbattery would buy several guns. With recruitment numbers down and demographic issues painting a bleak future, reducing crew size is going to be critical. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:47:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:50:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub:
Yeah, THIS will be well-received!  Maybe the Ukes can include certificates for free/discount booze, redeemable at the POW commissary, in their "get out of the war for free" leaflets
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:50:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: That is my concern with the self-propelled arty. If the engine/vehicle part goes out you are now screwed. With towed arty, you can always find a new prime mover to pull it. Beat severely by R0N. The longest I've ever seen an M270 down for is five days. But that is because it caught fire. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:56:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub:
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Posted: 9/23/2022 1:58:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PanzerOfDoom: That ain't gonna go over well; Vodka is the only reason they are as efficient as they currently are. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PanzerOfDoom: Originally Posted By Haub:
That ain't gonna go over well; Vodka is the only reason they are as efficient as they currently are. |
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Posted: 9/23/2022 2:00:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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