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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:23:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Zhukov]
[#1]
Big debate on whether it's true or not. {ETA ZHUKOV} THIS IS FROM A FAKE/SATIRE NEWS SOURCE |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:29:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41:
Big debate on whether it's true or not. Meh….bullshit meter is pinging hard. Is this the same “Special Forces” that arrested Tom Hanks and executed him after a military tribunal?   ETA: That account says it’s a joke news account for “made up news”. Why link it without reading the profile? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:29:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41:
Big debate on whether it's true or not. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:30:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Yobro512]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41:
Big debate on whether it's true or not. Google says bull shit and it wouldnt be special forces. Itd be the FBI or if at an embassy itd like a Marshall or something. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:30:38 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41:
Big debate on whether it's true or not. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:32:13 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41:
Big debate on whether it's true or not. That’s a fake news source |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:32:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I'm not sure on this Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Dagger41:
Big debate on whether it's true or not. The account tweeting it is a joke/satire account that says it’s “made up news” if you just click the profile. C’mon people…. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:32:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: The account tweeting it is a joke/satire account that says it's "made up news" if you just click the profile. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:37:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20221014_094554_jpg-2562352.JPG VERY rough numbers: Google says that T-72 tanks cost $2 million (American dollars). Newer variants cost upwards of $4 million. If we use the T-72 cost number, they've lost $5 billion in tanks alone. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:43:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41:
Big debate on whether it's true or not. Big debate my ass. That's a damn lie..and that's. Spoof news account.. where is this big debate at? GD?? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:44:02 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Google says bull shit and it wouldnt be special forces. Itd be the FBI or if at an embassy itd like a Marshall or something. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Originally Posted By Dagger41:
Big debate on whether it's true or not. Google says bull shit and it wouldnt be special forces. Itd be the FBI or if at an embassy itd like a Marshall or something. Exactly, the military especially special forces do not arrest government officials. So many conservatards are falling for bullshit like this by following Q, Alexi Joneskov/InfoTards, Hal Turner, BeforeItsNews.com, WhatReallyHappened, Gerald Celente, TruNews, Stev Quayle, and other "patriot" web "news" sites which are fed Kremlin bullshit. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:46:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Big debate my ass. That's a damn lie..and that's. Spoof news account.. where is this big debate at? GD?? On twitter. Don't shoot the messenger. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:46:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: To create buzz in another direction to distract from major moves wrt the Twitter acquisition. He made major moves on that a few days later and so far, it appears to be working. One is of critical importance to him, the other inconsequential. It all looks completely logical from a Musk/SpaceX/Twitter perspective. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By Star_Scream:I am really curious as to why he tried to promote such a heavily Russian biased peace plan To create buzz in another direction to distract from major moves wrt the Twitter acquisition. He made major moves on that a few days later and so far, it appears to be working. One is of critical importance to him, the other inconsequential. It all looks completely logical from a Musk/SpaceX/Twitter perspective. Musk is a smart guy and while he might seem to have operated outside of his lane, the results of his comment, viewed through a Socratic lens, suggest a more pro-Ukraine position than his critics are suggesting. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:50:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: trapsh00ter99]
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Edit: already covered...
Take that tweet down so the next two pages aren't replies to it. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:50:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: How does Poland pay for their defense? I may be out of touch with Eastern Europe but I can't name a single Polish company, or product produced in Poland or even a resource they might export. I did some consulting work for a Polish company's US plant that was supplying Ikea in the US -- upholstered furniture and mattresses. Although I doubt that pays for many HIMARS. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:51:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: The account tweeting it is a joke/satire account that says it’s “made up news” if you just click the profile. C’mon people…. or even just look at the account name. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:53:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: On twitter. Don't shoot the messenger. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Big debate my ass. That's a damn lie..and that's. Spoof news account.. where is this big debate at? GD?? On twitter. Don't shoot the messenger. Well those folks onTwitter are dumb as rocks lol. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:54:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: On twitter. Don't shoot the messenger. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Big debate my ass. That's a damn lie..and that's. Spoof news account.. where is this big debate at? GD?? On twitter. Don't shoot the messenger. Lol what?  Let me guess, you read the tweet but nothing else? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:55:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: $11M a month for tactical comms is a steal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By Third_Rail: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Source: CNN "sources familiar". Yeah I'll hold off on believing that or the reasons behind it if it's true.
That sounds like a plausible reason. $11M a month for tactical comms is a steal. That is the only thing I could think of, right now a bargain. Someone just pay the man for the satellites for one or two years coverage until hostilities end. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 8:59:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Most likely they fear that if anything kicked off, they'd be on their own, and they look like they do not want to repeat the last time that happened to them, Can't say as I'd blame them. With neighbours like Germany and Belarus/Russia I'd want to be well armed too... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, Poland, you getting scary. 
They already ordered almost 5 billion dollars worth of M1 Abrams, plus the new ballistic missile defense systems. 96 Apache helicopter gunships, etc. I feel safer, and hope the rest of Europe follows suit actually.They also ordered 500 HIMARS, which is insane as that how many the US had in total. For reference, Ukraine has been causing havoc with ~16 of them. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/06/07/poland-himars-us/ Maybe they are going to invade Germany. Or Belarus. Most likely they fear that if anything kicked off, they'd be on their own, and they look like they do not want to repeat the last time that happened to them, Can't say as I'd blame them. With neighbours like Germany and Belarus/Russia I'd want to be well armed too... They contracted the artillery and air power variant of Black Rifle Disease. Hope their credit card is water cooled. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:01:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Foxtrot08: Lol what? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/148484/2003B86C-A169-4FC1-87B9-20D13F595A55-2562455.jpg Let me guess, you read the tweet but nothing else? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Foxtrot08: Originally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Big debate my ass. That's a damn lie..and that's. Spoof news account.. where is this big debate at? GD?? On twitter. Don't shoot the messenger. Lol what? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/148484/2003B86C-A169-4FC1-87B9-20D13F595A55-2562455.jpg Let me guess, you read the tweet but nothing else? There's another saying Elon Musk has been arrested too. Lol |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:01:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Have they been using those planes or they're concerned about the AA capabilities? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VooDoo3dfx: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FenKi-OaUAASRho?format=jpg&name=large Have they been using those planes or they're concerned about the AA capabilities? They have been using the planes to launch some of the cruise missiles at Ukrainian targets. After the incident where the Russians said a drone was shot down over the runway, quite a few of the bombers were relocated to bases further away. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:05:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: How does Poland pay for their defense? I may be out of touch with Eastern Europe but I can't name a single Polish company, or product produced in Poland or even a resource they might export. Holan Saddlebags |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:05:55 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41:
Big debate on whether it's true or not. I have ZERO doubts that all the money and aid from the USA is contingent on Ukraine and Zelensky STFU about the DNC and Biden crime family businesses. I'm sure every phone call from Zelensky starts with "I wont say a word about anything, just please send us HIMARS, etc...." For once I am NOT being sarcastic. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:06:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurkerII: And the bandwidth of the entire system is not unlimited. One Ukrainian user means one less paid subscriber can use the system. One more potential subscriber on the waiting list...waiting. Its a huge investment, nothing is "free". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LurkerII: Originally Posted By warp_foo: The satellites aren't 'free' just because they've been launched. SpaceX paid for the booster SpaceX paid for the satellites: design, testing, build, licensing SpaceX is paying to maintain the software and ground infrastructure SpaceX is paying for the control center and staff It's a huge sunk cost that needs to be repaid. For the non-UKR satellites, that cost is being paid for/recouped by end user subscription fees. m And the bandwidth of the entire system is not unlimited. One Ukrainian user means one less paid subscriber can use the system. One more potential subscriber on the waiting list...waiting. Its a huge investment, nothing is "free". If our government had taken on this project the losses would be 20x that amount. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:08:18 AM EDT
[#26]
well, now goes 10 pages of this thread off the rails.
I just wanted to watch russian tanks explode. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:09:22 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: On twitter. Don't shoot the messenger. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Big debate my ass. That's a damn lie..and that's. Spoof news account.. where is this big debate at? GD?? On twitter. Don't shoot the messenger. Who’s Twitter? Alex Jones? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:12:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: peterman]
[#28]
FFS can the tinfoil brigade go start their own thread please and keep this one clean?
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:13:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20221014_094554_jpg-2562352.JPG Busy day. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:14:04 AM EDT
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ISW assessment for October 13th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-13 |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:14:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:15:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:15:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat pulls heart strings..... Like I said..they have choices.... Like the ethnic Ugric who walked from Afghanistan in the 80s to Hungary and settled here, he made a choice to not participate. Fully conscripted Soviet soldier who walked away from his post, it was a choice and he has no regrets. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:16:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I have ZERO doubts that all the money and aid from the USA is contingent on Ukraine and Zelensky STFU about the DNC and Biden crime family businesses. I'm sure every phone call from Zelensky starts with "I wont say a word about anything, just please send us HIMARS, etc...." For once I am NOT being sarcastic. Lol. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:16:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:20:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I have ZERO doubts that all the money and aid from the USA is contingent on Ukraine and Zelensky STFU about the DNC and Biden crime family businesses. I'm sure every phone call from Zelensky starts with "I wont say a word about anything, just please send us HIMARS, etc...." For once I am NOT being sarcastic. My finger is itchy too today. Click, woops |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:20:42 AM EDT
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lol
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:21:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: I had to look it up, but now I totally see that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumsfeld_Doctrine Ukraine is many ways has been living as a test bed for that theory, as well as a sort of A2AD strategy typically associated with China. HIMARS almost takes it further, as Rumsfeld talked about relying on airstrikes, but HIMARS+Spotting Drones are conducting effectively short range precision airstrikes at a fraction of the cost and logistics of an airforce. When you look at this sort of 'light and precise/A2AD' hybrid vs conventional heavy armor thinking of the past, its pretty striking. M1 Abrams = $8.9 million 2016 (not counting the enormous fuel, maintainance, training, and transport cost.) -->Can buy 50x Javelin anti tank Missiles for same cost -->Can buy 2x HIMARS for same cost For smaller countries on limited budgets looking strictly for defense against invasion, focussing on Anti Tank, Anti Air, and HIMARS type long range precision fires makes a lot more sense than a traditional 'Tanks and Planes' centric army. I agree. For many 2nd and 3rd World countries, armor is typically for urban pacification of their own people so they always had a bunch. For a non-totalitarian, peaceful country focused on defense rather than terrorizing their own people or neighbors, the above makes perfect sense. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:22:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:23:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:23:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: well, now goes 10 pages of this thread off the rails. I just wanted to watch russian tanks explode. I couldn't immediately find a new tank video. So accept this cool story. Definitely a lifesaver. @AgeOne  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:24:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:25:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41:
Big debate on whether it's true or not. This smells like bullshit. A quick check confirms it’s bullshit. Yep, it’s bullshit. Frankly, it’s difficult to accept that folks could believe it to be true if they took 2 minutes to look at WHO is posting this story all over. And to give it a moment of critical thought. But here we are. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:26:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Ukraine has been pounding the shit out of their supply lines, stores, and forces for awhile now. They’ve been knocking their battle lines back while re-taking key terrain and territory. The bridge is a nice cherry on top, especially since Russia now has to resupply overland on exterior lines - even when it works it takes longer than it did before. Russian forces will be forced to fall back en mass over the river to the left bank unless they want to get totally wiped out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By governmentman: Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Losing the bridge causing logistical collapse? Only explanation I can see for this 'only a matter of days' attitude we're seeing pieces of from both sides. Ukraine has been pounding the shit out of their supply lines, stores, and forces for awhile now. They’ve been knocking their battle lines back while re-taking key terrain and territory. The bridge is a nice cherry on top, especially since Russia now has to resupply overland on exterior lines - even when it works it takes longer than it did before. Russian forces will be forced to fall back en mass over the river to the left bank unless they want to get totally wiped out. That’s right. A few weeks back, they did put the squeeze on the Kherson pocket, and gained ground. But, the master stroke was to then attack the East at the same time, in arguably a bigger push. The vast weapons captures suggest to me the Russians were caught by surprise in the East; they expected 100% of the effort to go into the southern front. In Kherson, time is not on the Russian’s side since the UA HIMARSed all the bridges. This time is on the UA side. Time has come. Once Kherson is liberated, the water to Crimea gets turned off, and time once again is on the UA side. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:26:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: On the photo on the top of this page. Check out the inside of the cockpits of the aircraft. They got both flags flying. Although it appears the US flag is folded in a certain... Way. @hesperus What does that mean? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:26:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:27:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfB40btXEAYMFKA?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Can anyone superimpose that defensive trench with the dragon's teeth over this map? I thought they said it was midway between Svatove and Kreminna but does it run E-W or N-S ? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:29:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: I couldn't immediately find a new tank video. So accept this cool story. Definitely a lifesaver. @AgeOne https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/Screenshot_2022-10-14-16-21-53-500_com_i-2562480.JPG that is awesome. that vid of the cruise missile intercept the other day with a stinger was awesome. always impressed with those things. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:29:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:30:29 AM EDT
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