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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:31:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:31:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:32:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:33:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PM4E: A nation of cowards. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PM4E: Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
A nation of cowards. They aren't anti-war, they are anti going to war themselves. They are perfectly fine with the invasion of, and all the bad that is happening in UA. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:35:05 AM EDT
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FIAT makes a crap ton of cars in Poland.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: I did some consulting work for a Polish company's US plant that was supplying Ikea in the US -- upholstered furniture and mattresses. Although I doubt that pays for many HIMARS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vahog: Originally Posted By torstin: How does Poland pay for their defense? I may be out of touch with Eastern Europe but I can't name a single Polish company, or product produced in Poland or even a resource they might export. I did some consulting work for a Polish company's US plant that was supplying Ikea in the US -- upholstered furniture and mattresses. Although I doubt that pays for many HIMARS. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:36:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I have ZERO doubts that all the money and aid from the USA is contingent on Ukraine and Zelensky STFU about the DNC and Biden crime family businesses. I'm sure every phone call from Zelensky starts with "I wont say a word about anything, just please send us HIMARS, etc...." For once I am NOT being sarcastic. So you get your confirmation bias from a fake news source? 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:37:09 AM EDT
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Attention mobik shoppers!
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:38:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Busy day. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Originally Posted By Easterner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/526834/IMG_20221014_094554_jpg-2562352.JPG Busy day. Someone here called it a couple of days ago when Ukraine reported they’d taken down a lot of air defense systems. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:39:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Meh….bullshit meter is pinging hard. Is this the same “Special Forces” that arrested Tom Hanks and executed him after a military tribunal?  ETA: That account says it’s a joke news account for “made up news”. <this. US Special Forces are now in law enforement? Why link it without reading the profile? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:39:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41:
Big debate on whether it's true or not. We need this edited to state that it's fake news so we don't get 5 pages of people responding. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:40:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: LOL Yeah, because they are running out of missiles in which to launch mass strikes with. They've wasted most of their best weapons trying to attack civilian targets instead of things that might be militarily important. My God, these people are so stupid. Watching Russia trying to conduct a war is like watching a monkey try to fuck a football. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:41:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: We need this edited to state that it's fake news so we don't get 5 pages of people responding. Done. I added a clarification message. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:41:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NEXT23: hesperus What does that mean? Probably just means that they wanted the flag folded up nice and tight and not flopping around inside the cockpit. I'm probably just reading a bit too much into the image. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:43:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:44:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Et2ss: Can anyone superimpose that defensive trench with the dragon's teeth over this map? I thought they said it was midway between Svatove and Kreminna but does it run E-W or N-S ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Et2ss: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfB40btXEAYMFKA?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Can anyone superimpose that defensive trench with the dragon's teeth over this map? I thought they said it was midway between Svatove and Kreminna but does it run E-W or N-S ? Location of the fortifications is here green marker:  
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:44:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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-500 personnel in one day. Oof.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:46:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Attention mobik shoppers!
These people need to brush up on their Solzhenitsyn. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:47:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Done. I added a clarification message. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Zam18th: We need this edited to state that it's fake news so we don't get 5 pages of people responding. Done. I added a clarification message.  |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:49:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: So you get your confirmation bias from a fake news source? Probably sometimes. But that ridiculous story about SF "arresting" some bureaucrat for delivering cash to Ukraine has nothing to do with my statement above. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:49:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Done. I added a clarification message. 
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:51:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:56:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:56:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Et2ss]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Location of the fortifications is here green marker: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe2s03vWQAAi2gh?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe0_eSlaAAAvK8p?format=jpg&name=large Thanks, but I can't make out where that is in relation to Svatove Nevermind. It's way south of severdonetske |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:57:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: In the Big Army up to about 2005, it was informally considered one of those ways you could tell a good unit from the bad. Im talking out in the field, training. Good units roadmarched everywhere, got in little triangle shaped perimeters about 1800, dug little hasty prone positions about 18 inches down, and did stand to, where 1/2 hour before sunrise you are at 100% security, ruck packed, pulling security. Bad units rode in trucks, slept in, and their patrol bases looked like gypsy camps, hootched up 24/7. Bad units were about twice as good as the Russians. You can tell some of these Ukrainians have excellent field discipline. Hunter or hunted types of indicators. The Brits, when I worked with them, had outstanding field discipline. The USMC did as well. These were all the sorts of little useless things that we all incorporated as to "field discipline." There was a period of time when young guys had no combat experience and old guys were Vietnam vets, and to be honest there was a strong crossover between Ranger school, things guys did in Vietnam, and the sorts of things a CSM might be looking for when he eyeballs your perimeter. A lot of leaders were light on garrison discipline, like spitshining boots and barracks inspection, but a good trooper dug in and pulled security, and was up at stand to. A good LT took his turn on radio watch and trooped the lines between 0100 and 0400. Everyone dug their own holes. I would hope it makes a comeback, along with the other sorts of things. In my experience noone really likes discipline, but troopers took pride and would show ownership of field discipline if there was a point to it. Sometimes one unit would ruck by another and there would be eyeballing and sizing each other up. Noone really cared about drill, spit and polish. Stuff like that soldiers complain about that non-sexy Army stuff, but it pays off in the end. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 9:57:38 AM EDT
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We're watching a nation destroy itself in real time.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:05:44 AM EDT
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Good background briefing thread here:
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:06:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: The account tweeting it is a joke/satire account that says it’s “made up news” if you just click the profile. C’mon people…. In our current atmosphere people really shouldn't make up such things. I'm sure that is being circulated now as absolute gospel and proof. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:07:04 AM EDT
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Some tweets about Starlink. $20m/month is rough.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:08:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Stuff like that soldiers complain about that non-sexy Army stuff, but it pays off in the end. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By CharlieR: In the Big Army up to about 2005, it was informally considered one of those ways you could tell a good unit from the bad. Im talking out in the field, training. Good units roadmarched everywhere, got in little triangle shaped perimeters about 1800, dug little hasty prone positions about 18 inches down, and did stand to, where 1/2 hour before sunrise you are at 100% security, ruck packed, pulling security. Bad units rode in trucks, slept in, and their patrol bases looked like gypsy camps, hootched up 24/7. Bad units were about twice as good as the Russians. You can tell some of these Ukrainians have excellent field discipline. Hunter or hunted types of indicators. The Brits, when I worked with them, had outstanding field discipline. The USMC did as well. These were all the sorts of little useless things that we all incorporated as to "field discipline." There was a period of time when young guys had no combat experience and old guys were Vietnam vets, and to be honest there was a strong crossover between Ranger school, things guys did in Vietnam, and the sorts of things a CSM might be looking for when he eyeballs your perimeter. A lot of leaders were light on garrison discipline, like spitshining boots and barracks inspection, but a good trooper dug in and pulled security, and was up at stand to. A good LT took his turn on radio watch and trooped the lines between 0100 and 0400. Everyone dug their own holes. I would hope it makes a comeback, along with the other sorts of things. In my experience noone really likes discipline, but troopers took pride and would show ownership of field discipline if there was a point to it. Sometimes one unit would ruck by another and there would be eyeballing and sizing each other up. Noone really cared about drill, spit and polish. Stuff like that soldiers complain about that non-sexy Army stuff, but it pays off in the end. There was probably an environmental issue involved, I remember late in my military career, if you wanted to build fighting positions or entrench you had to plan it way in advance and get the base environmental people involved at most bases. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:09:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
I've got some bad news for old Vlad ----- he won't be able to protect it even with mobilization. Numbers mean diddly if they are poorly equipped, poorly trained (if they are trained at all) and have no motivation for being there. They will only serve to double the strain on logistics and send Russia's KIA numbers through the ceiling. The smarter ones among them will surrender immediately. So, where does Putin's regime benefit here? These mobilized troops will be about as effective as Saddam Hussein's non-Republican Guard units were in 1991. They will break upon first contact. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:10:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Probably just means that they wanted the flag folded up nice and tight and not flopping around inside the cockpit. I'm probably just reading a bit too much into the image. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By NEXT23: hesperus What does that mean? Probably just means that they wanted the flag folded up nice and tight and not flopping around inside the cockpit. I'm probably just reading a bit too much into the image. From what I could see from the photo, it was a flag in the windshield of a Polish F16. I think the red and white showing is the Polish flag, not a US flag folded to show the stripes instead of the stars. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:11:39 AM EDT
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Animated map from ISW
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:12:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:14:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: I would also add that it's not just the internal damage they're responsible for. They're largely responsible for the anti-West Islamist movement we've been dealing with for 40+ years and spent the last 20 conducting warfare directly against.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoVTbup548Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By ludder093: Originally Posted By NY12ga:
Yes, but remember- Stephen King wants MAGA Republicans, gun owners, and southern border "complainers" to leave the US as well. His message is vectored toward Russia only for now. OK, when the time comes, that conversation might need to be had. This is not the time, and *on the subject of Ukraine* there is no daylight between me and an American on the left who believes the same. That said, Russian influence ops have been behind a huge amount of the divisiveness in the US in the last 100 years. Dealing with that problem permanently is one of the great unspoken benefits of the Russian-Ukraine war. In a way I agree and in another way, I don't. I am with you 100% on the 100 years of Russian influence ops doing us harm, though. I would also add that it's not just the internal damage they're responsible for. They're largely responsible for the anti-West Islamist movement we've been dealing with for 40+ years and spent the last 20 conducting warfare directly against. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoVTbup548I didn't know about this...this specifically, I mean. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:14:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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I’m sure some more have been ordered…
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:14:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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The ISW says the Iranians that were supposedly brought to Ukraine are "Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)-affiliated personnel" – elite paramilitary units. Iranianian personnel in theater.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:17:18 AM EDT
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Side show Luka.
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:17:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Attention mobik shoppers!
I just don't get the soviet/russian culture. If I came to the understanding that they were going to send my young adult son into this meat grinder just to die I would be angry. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:18:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Time has come. Once Kherson is liberated, the water to Crimea gets turned off, and time once again is on the UA side. Nova Kakhovka is going to be much easier to liberate than Kherson, comparatively. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:18:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Side show Luka.
Never say never but I’m incredulous Belarus has that many. I would have said half that at best. But maybe I’m wrong, we’ll see I guess. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:19:42 AM EDT
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So he wants to hold the grain exports up is what I’m getting from this. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:20:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Some tweets about Starlink. $20m/month is rough.
As critical as I am about Musk (including his closeness with Russia in the past) and being 100% on Ukraine's side, I agree that he should be paid for his Starlink service. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:22:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: I've got some bad news for old Vlad ----- he won't be able to protect it even with mobilization. Numbers mean diddly if they are poorly equipped, poorly trained (if they are trained at all) and have no motivation for being there. They will only serve to double the strain on logistics and send Russia's KIA numbers through the ceiling. The smarter ones among them will surrender immediately. So, where does Putin's regime benefit here? These mobilized troops will be about as effective as Saddam Hussein's non-Republican Guard units were in 1991. They will break upon first contact. Putin is dreaming of Russian human wave victories - those went out the window many decades ago. He is buying time until his Mussolini moment. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:22:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PM4E: True. Fair point. I'm suspicious of the timing. Why? He posted a tweet of his opinion. Hardly anyone agrees with it. Big deal. He literally has put HIS money on the Ukrainians. His political leanings, at best, are Libertarian. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:22:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
Full mobilization? |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:22:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Et2ss: Thanks, but I can't make out where that is in relation to Svatove Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Et2ss: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Location of the fortifications is here green marker: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe2s03vWQAAi2gh?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe0_eSlaAAAvK8p?format=jpg&name=large Thanks, but I can't make out where that is in relation to Svatove https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=hirske#map=10/48.7512/38.4947&layers=C |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:24:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ubaddog]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: The ISW says the Iranians that were supposedly brought to Ukraine are "Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)-affiliated personnel" – elite paramilitary units. Iranianian personnel in theater. I really like the sound of the phrase " Ukrainians killing Iranians. " rolls off the tongue like a chorus in a hit pop song. War war war Ukrainians killing Iranians Yeah ya ya Ukrainians killing Iranians We need more, more,more of. Ukrainians killing Iranians. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:28:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ubaddog: I really like the sound of the phrase " Ukrainians killing Iranians. " rolls off the tongue like a chorus in a hit pop song. War war war Ukrainians killing Iranians Yeah ya ya Ukrainians killing Iranians We need more. Ukrainians killing Iranians. I figured it was inevitable as payback for Syria but in a way I’m still surprised. That being said sounds good to me |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:28:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: There was probably an environmental issue involved, I remember late in my military career, if you wanted to build fighting positions or entrench you had to plan it way in advance and get the base environmental people involved at most bases. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By CharlieR: In the Big Army up to about 2005, it was informally considered one of those ways you could tell a good unit from the bad. Im talking out in the field, training. Good units roadmarched everywhere, got in little triangle shaped perimeters about 1800, dug little hasty prone positions about 18 inches down, and did stand to, where 1/2 hour before sunrise you are at 100% security, ruck packed, pulling security. Bad units rode in trucks, slept in, and their patrol bases looked like gypsy camps, hootched up 24/7. Bad units were about twice as good as the Russians. You can tell some of these Ukrainians have excellent field discipline. Hunter or hunted types of indicators. The Brits, when I worked with them, had outstanding field discipline. The USMC did as well. These were all the sorts of little useless things that we all incorporated as to "field discipline." There was a period of time when young guys had no combat experience and old guys were Vietnam vets, and to be honest there was a strong crossover between Ranger school, things guys did in Vietnam, and the sorts of things a CSM might be looking for when he eyeballs your perimeter. A lot of leaders were light on garrison discipline, like spitshining boots and barracks inspection, but a good trooper dug in and pulled security, and was up at stand to. A good LT took his turn on radio watch and trooped the lines between 0100 and 0400. Everyone dug their own holes. I would hope it makes a comeback, along with the other sorts of things. In my experience noone really likes discipline, but troopers took pride and would show ownership of field discipline if there was a point to it. Sometimes one unit would ruck by another and there would be eyeballing and sizing each other up. Noone really cared about drill, spit and polish. Stuff like that soldiers complain about that non-sexy Army stuff, but it pays off in the end. There was probably an environmental issue involved, I remember late in my military career, if you wanted to build fighting positions or entrench you had to plan it way in advance and get the base environmental people involved at most bases. You're right about that. It would probably be easier to get a hasty SDZ approved to fire into an occupied training area than to get approval to dig fighting positions in a fucking field.  |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:28:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Never say never but I’m incredulous Belarus has that many. I would have said half that at best. But maybe I’m wrong, we’ll see I guess. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Side show Luka.
Never say never but I’m incredulous Belarus has that many. I would have said half that at best. But maybe I’m wrong, we’ll see I guess. https://www.kyivpost.com/russias-war/lukashenko-conducts-covert-mobilization-in-belarus.html |
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