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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:00:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: I forgot to say that my patches arrived. The angry beavers was a favorite cartoon and I was an adult.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/242375/IMG_20230304_150420547_jpg-2733868.JPG lol, that is awesome! That was my favorite in the late 90's too.
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:02:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Thank you. The correct and accurate description of Russia and China today is Fascism. The US is moving to democratic socialism. Not Scandinavia-style that retains individual rights, but Maoist/Marxist style that destroys anyone outside the in-group. AGREED. Some very homogeneous countries like Sweden could maybe make socialism work. They tried and backed away from the hard stuff decades ago. But for a very diverse heterogeneous country like the USA our experimentation for Marxism will be very ugly and violent. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:03:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: I forgot to say that my patches arrived. The angry beavers was a favorite cartoon and I was an adult. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/242375/IMG_20230304_150420547_jpg-2733868.JPG I'm also the souvenir guy, in addition to all the other things I do around here.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:04:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: AGREED. Some very homogeneous countries like Sweden could maybe make socialism work. They tried and backed away from the hard stuff decades ago. But for a very diverse heterogeneous country like the USA our experimentation for Marxism will be very ugly and violent. LOL Socialism, no matter where and how it is implemented will NEVER work. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:05:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: New strategy, don’t leave boobytraps and mines behind when you retreat. Leave a nice pot-bellied stove, a big stack of firewood, a case of vodka, and some good porn. Profit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: New strategy, don’t leave boobytraps and mines behind when you retreat. Leave a nice pot-bellied stove, a big stack of firewood, a case of vodka, and some good porn. Profit. Sound and historic tactic. A variation on the way the French avoided pursuit and destruction after the Battle of Vitoria in the Peninsular war. The French had treasure stolen from Spain in their baggage train, and the British army stopped to loot it themselves. It was the source of the famous quote of the Duke of Wellington calling the British solider “the scum of the Earth” out of his frustration. Many British soldiers turned aside to plunder the abandoned French wagons, containing "the loot of a kingdom". It is estimated that more than £1 million of booty (perhaps £100 million in modern equivalent) was seized, but the gross abandonment of discipline caused an enraged Wellington to write in a dispatch to Earl Bathurst, "We have in the service the scum of the earth as common soldiers". I suppose with US$120 million on the field to be snatched, a lot of modern armies would break, too. ;) |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:13:10 PM EDT
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Sounds like the higher ranks were pis### that the commoners got the officers' share.
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:19:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Just in case anyone thinks that the agenda is Putin's alone and removing him would solve the problem, see this interview with Margarita Simonyan:
There are a LOT of influential people who want to put the USSR back together, and feel 100% entitled that they have the right to do so, because those lands used to belong to Russia. We say "Crimea is Ukraine, Kherson is Ukraine, Zaporizhzhia is Ukraine, Donetsk is Ukraine, Luhansk is Ukraine" because those are the borders that both nations agreed to when the USSR broke up. Lots of Russians say Ukraine is Russia because it always was. Also see what Margarita says about her time in the US, which gives her bona fides in Russia to talk about how we are and make her a subject matter expert on what America is about. I don't remember where, but I once read, "Putin is the collective Russian." Putin is the result of Russian culture's paranoia, xenophobia (not the whitewashed way progressives use the term), and desire for a strong man. The issues that lead to this aren't going to get resolved with his death. Even Navalny is a xenophobic Russian nationalist. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:23:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Sound and historic tactic. A variation on the way the French avoided pursuit and destruction after the Battle of Vitoria in the Peninsular war. The French had treasure stolen from Spain in their baggage train, and the British army stopped to loot it themselves. It was the source of the famous quote of the Duke of Wellington calling the British solider “the scum of the Earth” out of his frustration. I suppose with US$120 million on the field to be snatched, a lot of modern armies would break, too. ;) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By Capta: New strategy, don’t leave boobytraps and mines behind when you retreat. Leave a nice pot-bellied stove, a big stack of firewood, a case of vodka, and some good porn. Profit. Sound and historic tactic. A variation on the way the French avoided pursuit and destruction after the Battle of Vitoria in the Peninsular war. The French had treasure stolen from Spain in their baggage train, and the British army stopped to loot it themselves. It was the source of the famous quote of the Duke of Wellington calling the British solider “the scum of the Earth” out of his frustration. Many British soldiers turned aside to plunder the abandoned French wagons, containing "the loot of a kingdom". It is estimated that more than £1 million of booty (perhaps £100 million in modern equivalent) was seized, but the gross abandonment of discipline caused an enraged Wellington to write in a dispatch to Earl Bathurst, "We have in the service the scum of the earth as common soldiers". I suppose with US$120 million on the field to be snatched, a lot of modern armies would break, too. ;) If Wellingtin was alive today to see russias looting of washing machines what would his dispatch say about them? Lol. The loot from the battle at Vitoria was surely more valuable than today's Russian loot in Ukraine lol |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:30:43 PM EDT
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Current Russian Cruise Missile Stocks based on Ukraine’s 🇺🇦 reporting On January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia had 177 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles in stock Since January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia used 174 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles If Russia produced 0 Cruise Missiles since January 3rd, they would have 3 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missile remaining if Ukraine’s reporting is correct, but Russia definitely made more Kh-101 and Kablir Cruise Missiles since then The question is, how many Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles did Russia produce since January 3rd, 2023? On November 17th, Ukraine reported that Russia had 511 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kablir Cruise Missiles in stock. And Ukraine reported that Russia made 240 new Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles since the start of the war (full-scale invasion) last year On January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia made 440 new Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles since the start of the war. Russia cannot produce any more Kh-55 Cruise Missiles and instead makes the similar but more modern Kh-101 Cruise Missiles The only way to find out how many Cruise Missiles Russia currently has would be if Ukraine’s reporting is correct and if we know the number of Cruise Missiles Russia makes per month or on average per day. Which is not known at this time The number of Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles Russia makes is estimated to be 15 to 125 per month. Which is lower than their rate of usage that is 170 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles per month in the past two months since their last large missile strike on February 16th The number of Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles Russia has remaining is unknown but could be estimated if their production rate is known. The details may become more clear in the coming months as Russia does more missile strikes. 
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:32:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: LOL Socialism, no matter where and how it is implemented will NEVER work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Abakan: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: AGREED. Some very homogeneous countries like Sweden could maybe make socialism work. They tried and backed away from the hard stuff decades ago. But for a very diverse heterogeneous country like the USA our experimentation for Marxism will be very ugly and violent. LOL Socialism, no matter where and how it is implemented will NEVER work. A parallel on that is a comment I heard in the 90s. Regarding the dissolution of the USSR and satellites, someone said, “Well that’s that. If the GERMANS couldn’t make Marxism work, it’s all over.” |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:43:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2023 6:47:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Another indication to me that we have an excellent source (or sources) in the Russian government. This isn't the first time our intel has blown the lid off something. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Another indication to me that we have an excellent source (or sources) in the Russian government. This isn't the first time our intel has blown the lid off something. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:03:29 PM EDT
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Video in tweet.
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:06:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, that is awesome! That was my favorite in the late 90's too. @Easterner can hook you up. I appreciate the Ukraine brother one too. I can imagine Dagget pissed off with a melee weapon, lol. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:15:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqYgOzfXoA4mIy-?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqYgOziXgAA1NTp?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqYgOzjXwAEPeZU?format=jpg&name=medium That's a good piece of kit.  Since a 120mm mortar typically only has a range of about 7km, anything that allows them to emplace, fire, and scoot shortly after is going to improve their survivability. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:16:39 PM EDT
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Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2?
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:19:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: That's a good piece of kit. Since a 120mm mortar typically only has a range of about 7km, anything that allows them to emplace, fire, and scoot shortly after is going to improve their survivability. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqYgOzfXoA4mIy-?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqYgOziXgAA1NTp?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqYgOzjXwAEPeZU?format=jpg&name=medium That's a good piece of kit. Since a 120mm mortar typically only has a range of about 7km, anything that allows them to emplace, fire, and scoot shortly after is going to improve their survivability. Now that's a great system! That is great for the upcoming future counteroffensives that surely will be very kinetic and moving at a rapid pace. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:21:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:25:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:28:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Another pic of MTLBs fitted with naval HMG turrets, probably scavenged from a museum or scrapyard.
Yep, time is on Russia’s side!  https://twitter.com/secretsqrl123/status/1632072886226931712?s=20 |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:29:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vet14tango10: How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. At last count it was five. Maybe six. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:31:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: At last count it was five. Maybe six. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. At last count it was five. Maybe six. That makes more sense. Anything under that would be odd. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:31:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vet14tango10: How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. I think 4 of them, plus 2 SAMP-T |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:32:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: YaNi05]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/fVw58iP-49.gif Another arfcommer who things RT is a legit news source, LOL. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By YaNi05: From what I've heard, the vast majority of people who stay are waiting for the russians liberators. This is widely known among the UA and there's distrust between the 'civilians' in the battlespace and the UA. I'm told they will eventually (or at least believe they will) be resettled by the ruskies somewhere; could be Vladivostok or somewhere else in the occupied Ukrainian land. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/fVw58iP-49.gif Another arfcommer who things RT is a legit news source, LOL. I've been following this invasion 2 years and in this thread since the beginning. And you don't like some info so you call me a troll. Dude GTFO. This is coming directly from guys fighting in the East. There are an estimated 4000 'civilians' remaining in Bakhmut out of the 70k pre-war, which assuming every last one of them that stayed is pro-russian and that's not even 6%. And 30% of the pre-war population identified as russian. Do you want to just assume that they're all without any agency? Couldn't possibly leave. There's families with young kids. And there's a lot of old people. They're not just going to tell some pro-Ukrainian stranger they're staying for the russians, duh. They make up some excuse that's believable and doesn't paint them as the enemy. It's human nature. But you can't possibly understand that from your ivory tower with all your 24/7 twitter and telegram feeds. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:34:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqaFFgWWAAEfjaI?format=jpg&name=large Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Current Russian Cruise Missile Stocks based on Ukraine’s 🇺🇦 reporting On January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia had 177 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles in stock Since January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia used 174 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles If Russia produced 0 Cruise Missiles since January 3rd, they would have 3 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missile remaining if Ukraine’s reporting is correct, but Russia definitely made more Kh-101 and Kablir Cruise Missiles since then The question is, how many Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles did Russia produce since January 3rd, 2023? On November 17th, Ukraine reported that Russia had 511 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kablir Cruise Missiles in stock. And Ukraine reported that Russia made 240 new Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles since the start of the war (full-scale invasion) last year On January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia made 440 new Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles since the start of the war. Russia cannot produce any more Kh-55 Cruise Missiles and instead makes the similar but more modern Kh-101 Cruise Missiles The only way to find out how many Cruise Missiles Russia currently has would be if Ukraine’s reporting is correct and if we know the number of Cruise Missiles Russia makes per month or on average per day. Which is not known at this time The number of Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles Russia makes is estimated to be 15 to 125 per month. Which is lower than their rate of usage that is 170 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles per month in the past two months since their last large missile strike on February 16th The number of Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles Russia has remaining is unknown but could be estimated if their production rate is known. The details may become more clear in the coming months as Russia does more missile strikes. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqaFFgWWAAEfjaI?format=jpg&name=large I wonder besides the high price,1.25 million a piece, why Russia is holding onto its P-800 oniks and not using them more. It's a newer system that is very deadly and accurate. With a huge range. It's a good thing they don't use them more. Possibly alot of them are nuclear configured, but if they ever launched a huge wave of those it would be a bad day for Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:35:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. Oh ok good! They need those operational asap.. I'm glad they are getting the Pac-3! |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I wonder besides the high price,1.25 million a piece, why Russia is holding onto its P-800 oniks and not using them more. It's a newer system that is very deadly and accurate. With a huge range. It's a good thing they don't use them more. Possibly alot of them are nuclear configured, but if they ever launched a huge wave of those it would be a bad day for Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Current Russian Cruise Missile Stocks based on Ukraine’s 🇺🇦 reporting On January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia had 177 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles in stock Since January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia used 174 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles If Russia produced 0 Cruise Missiles since January 3rd, they would have 3 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missile remaining if Ukraine’s reporting is correct, but Russia definitely made more Kh-101 and Kablir Cruise Missiles since then The question is, how many Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles did Russia produce since January 3rd, 2023? On November 17th, Ukraine reported that Russia had 511 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kablir Cruise Missiles in stock. And Ukraine reported that Russia made 240 new Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles since the start of the war (full-scale invasion) last year On January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia made 440 new Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles since the start of the war. Russia cannot produce any more Kh-55 Cruise Missiles and instead makes the similar but more modern Kh-101 Cruise Missiles The only way to find out how many Cruise Missiles Russia currently has would be if Ukraine’s reporting is correct and if we know the number of Cruise Missiles Russia makes per month or on average per day. Which is not known at this time The number of Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles Russia makes is estimated to be 15 to 125 per month. Which is lower than their rate of usage that is 170 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles per month in the past two months since their last large missile strike on February 16th The number of Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles Russia has remaining is unknown but could be estimated if their production rate is known. The details may become more clear in the coming months as Russia does more missile strikes. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqaFFgWWAAEfjaI?format=jpg&name=large I wonder besides the high price,1.25 million a piece, why Russia is holding onto its P-800 oniks and not using them more. It's a newer system that is very deadly and accurate. With a huge range. It's a good thing they don't use them more. Possibly alot of them are nuclear configured, but if they ever launched a huge wave of those it would be a bad day for Ukraine. Probably because they are primarily anti ship weapons. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:42:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YaNi05: I've been following this invasion 2 years and in this thread since the beginning. And you don't like some info so you call me a troll. Dude GTFO. This is coming directly from guys fighting in the East. There are an estimated 4000 'civilians' remaining in Bakhmut out of the 70k pre-war, which assuming every last one of them that stayed is pro-russian and that's not even 6%. And 30% of the pre-war population identified as russian. Do you want to just assume that they're all without any agency? Couldn't possibly leave. There's families with young kids. And there's a lot of old people. They're not just going to tell some pro-Ukrainian stranger they're staying for the russians, duh. They make up some excuse that's believable and doesn't paint them as the enemy. It's human nature. But you can't possibly understand that from your ivory tower with all your 24/7 twitter and telegram feeds. All you supply so far is rumor. Post up some video of this common talk. There is plenty I am sure if it is common. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:46:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
That appears to be some kind of non-firing crew station training device (minimal noise and recoil, no smoke). You really should close the ammo door between every engagement. If there is any flash over when the breech opens, you don't want that getting to the stored ammo. US tank crews are also prohibited from "lap loading" (holding the next round in the loader's lap) for the same reason.  It's cool to load and fire that fast, but RARELY is it necessary. The Leo 2s also have about half their ammo in hull storage IIRC. If I was a Ukrainian tanker and had my choice, I would only carry turret stored ammo. I would be much more afraid of mines or artillery setting off the hull ammo. The way both the Russians and Ukrainians appear to be using tanks, they are stationary for long periods and easily spotted by tracks and other ground sign, which is pucker-level 10,000 to me, when you consider how much artillery is out there. 
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:50:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I think 4 of them, plus 2 SAMP-T Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. I think 4 of them, plus 2 SAMP-T |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:56:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWow, I am not really into blondes, but I will make exceptions in these rare cases. 
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:57:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vet14tango10: You would think on the Patriot side they would send more being as they are a massive pain in the butt on many levels. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. I think 4 of them, plus 2 SAMP-T lol, initially it went up to 5 seperate compete Patriot batteries being offered, most coming from Europe, then some horse trading happened and one battery was removed and replaced by two SAMP-T. I wouldn't be surprised if more crews were training up and additional Patriots offered if the initial batch works out. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2023 7:57:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: All you supply so far is rumor. Post up some video of this common talk. There is plenty I am sure if it is common. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By YaNi05: I've been following this invasion 2 years and in this thread since the beginning. And you don't like some info so you call me a troll. Dude GTFO. This is coming directly from guys fighting in the East. There are an estimated 4000 'civilians' remaining in Bakhmut out of the 70k pre-war, which assuming every last one of them that stayed is pro-russian and that's not even 6%. And 30% of the pre-war population identified as russian. Do you want to just assume that they're all without any agency? Couldn't possibly leave. There's families with young kids. And there's a lot of old people. They're not just going to tell some pro-Ukrainian stranger they're staying for the russians, duh. They make up some excuse that's believable and doesn't paint them as the enemy. It's human nature. But you can't possibly understand that from your ivory tower with all your 24/7 twitter and telegram feeds. All you supply so far is rumor. Post up some video of this common talk. There is plenty I am sure if it is common. I believe it was one of the videos posted in this very thread via a link to twitter. Was a Ukraine soldier in a vehicle speaking about the situation in Bakmut. He mentioned that some of the holdouts are waiting for Russians to arrive and evacuate them back behind the lines into Russia. I don't recall if it was a direct link to the video or if I stumbled on it while scrolling twitter accounts from the link posted. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:01:08 PM EDT
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Link. https://wartranslated.com/day-374-march-4th-summary-of-arestovych-and-feygin-daily-broadcast/ |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Me too. This is the kind of thing that has routinely popped up in this thread that deserves more than the archive treatment someday. I'm sending it to a leftist I know now. Just for fun of course because they're leftist and a lost cause by definition. I just like to hear how they justify it and lie to themselves. @Auto5guy you're a thinker- your parents did a good job! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: This can't be said enough. It needs to be beaten into the head of every new generation to avoid repeating the horrifying past of communist enslavement. Self interest is the one common characteristic of every creature on earth. Communists believe that this innate self interest is a result of family influences and evil capitalist programing. They felt that after the complete transition to communism a "New Man" would be created; a selfless, perfectly good man, freed from selfishness and greed. They thought it would be the natural product of the communist system. But, instead it is actually a REQUIREMENT for the system to work. An impossible requirement. Communism requires masses of people to become selfless. To be happy getting nothing in return for strife and sweat and effort. Biologically we are programed to associate effort without reward as failure and failure means starving to death. It isn't just that we are not programed to be selfless... We are biologically, genetically, EVOLUTIONARILY, hard wired to do the opposite; to navigate the world around us with self interest. It can't be bullied, threatened, shamed or beaten out of us. Capitalism channels that self interest towards the common good. If your pursuit of self interest produces something of benefit to others they will pay you money for it. If someone needs a task done that would seem pointless to others, money is offered thereby making it beneficial to the worker performing the pointless task. That's why it works. It works WITH the biological imperative of self interest. Those three paragraphs above might be the most informative description and summary of the failures of communism that I've ever heard. It is so good in fact that I am writing it down and saving it for future reference. Me too. This is the kind of thing that has routinely popped up in this thread that deserves more than the archive treatment someday. I'm sending it to a leftist I know now. Just for fun of course because they're leftist and a lost cause by definition. I just like to hear how they justify it and lie to themselves. @Auto5guy you're a thinker- your parents did a good job! Wow that's some high praise from you and Charging_Handle. I am humbled. Thank you. My parents weren't the most articulate but they both hated communism and the disliked the Soviets in particular. They were willing to put their money where their mouth was so to speak. In the late 80's they smuggled bibles into China so that level of passion about what they believed set a high standard for me to follow. Their objection to communism was more religious than economic. What that gave me is an absolute refusal to cede the moral high ground to the filthy commies. There is nothing moral about that evil envy based system. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:02:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: They aren’t “reimbursements.” Poland is signing hard-currency contracts to purchase items like Abrams, HIMARS, etc. You may be being misled by headlines like this: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-biden-politics-germany-united-states-government-1fa253e2142150fc1791f7ca4a048ffb Which says, for example, we are providing $600 million in aid to Poland. But if you read it, it’s “financing” - they pay it back. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By 74HC: We're missing the other side of the ledger which is reimbursements from USA. They aren’t “reimbursements.” Poland is signing hard-currency contracts to purchase items like Abrams, HIMARS, etc. You may be being misled by headlines like this: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-biden-politics-germany-united-states-government-1fa253e2142150fc1791f7ca4a048ffb Which says, for example, we are providing $600 million in aid to Poland. But if you read it, it’s “financing” - they pay it back. I don't really expect our "off the deep end" crowd to actually read anything, but I assume this must be referring to one of our coolest and handiest foreign policy and defense tools...Foreign Military Financing It's almost as if we sell a bunch of US weapons and equipment to foreign countries all the time. And the only way Joe Biden can actually get his hands on any of it, is the same way available to anybody else: he has to buy stock in Boeing, Lockheed Martin or Raytheon.  MURICAH'! 
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:05:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: I believe it was one of the videos posted in this very thread via a link to twitter. Was a Ukraine soldier in a vehicle speaking about the situation in Bakmut. He mentioned that some of the holdouts are waiting for Russians to arrive and evacuate them back behind the lines into Russia. I don't recall if it was a direct link to the video or if I stumbled on it while scrolling twitter accounts from the link posted. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By YaNi05: I've been following this invasion 2 years and in this thread since the beginning. And you don't like some info so you call me a troll. Dude GTFO. This is coming directly from guys fighting in the East. There are an estimated 4000 'civilians' remaining in Bakhmut out of the 70k pre-war, which assuming every last one of them that stayed is pro-russian and that's not even 6%. And 30% of the pre-war population identified as russian. Do you want to just assume that they're all without any agency? Couldn't possibly leave. There's families with young kids. And there's a lot of old people. They're not just going to tell some pro-Ukrainian stranger they're staying for the russians, duh. They make up some excuse that's believable and doesn't paint them as the enemy. It's human nature. But you can't possibly understand that from your ivory tower with all your 24/7 twitter and telegram feeds. All you supply so far is rumor. Post up some video of this common talk. There is plenty I am sure if it is common. I believe it was one of the videos posted in this very thread via a link to twitter. Was a Ukraine soldier in a vehicle speaking about the situation in Bakmut. He mentioned that some of the holdouts are waiting for Russians to arrive and evacuate them back behind the lines into Russia. I don't recall if it was a direct link to the video or if I stumbled on it while scrolling twitter accounts from the link posted. I remember that too, might have been Magyar. He said some civilians dont give good reasons for staying in the warzone, so they suspect some are waiting for the Russians and Ukrainian forces are wary of some of them because they might report to Russian forces. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:05:47 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: I believe it was one of the videos posted in this very thread via a link to twitter. Was a Ukraine soldier in a vehicle speaking about the situation in Bakmut. He mentioned that some of the holdouts are waiting for Russians to arrive and evacuate them back behind the lines into Russia. I don't recall if it was a direct link to the video or if I stumbled on it while scrolling twitter accounts from the link posted. I have not seen that one, but did see one old guy who said he was waiting on whoever comes (meaning russians). There were a bunch I have seen on twitter that just seemed confused, and others that were fuck them, this is my home, I'm not leaving. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:06:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, initially it went up to 5 seperate compete Patriot batteries being offered, most coming from Europe, then some horse trading happened and one battery was removed and replaced by two SAMP-T. I wouldn't be surprised if more crews were training up and additional Patriots offered if the initial batch works out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. I think 4 of them, plus 2 SAMP-T lol, initially it went up to 5 seperate compete Patriot batteries being offered, most coming from Europe, then some horse trading happened and one battery was removed and replaced by two SAMP-T. I wouldn't be surprised if more crews were training up and additional Patriots offered if the initial batch works out. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:10:05 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Very true. Capitalism relies of self-interest (greed). It may not sound nice but it's true and the natural way of the world. It can have a very positive byproduct. Communism relies of jealousy and the taking of other's work (theft). It is also a universal human trait but it has no positive outcome. In communism, you see your neighbor get a goat. You are jealous so you poison the goat or accuse the neighbor of profiteering, get him arrested. No one gets a goat. In capitalism, you see your neighbor get a new goat. You are greedy and want a better goat so you work harder and get a goat. Everyone ends up with a goat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Auto5guy: This can't be said enough. It needs to be beaten into the head of every new generation to avoid repeating the horrifying past of communist enslavement. Self interest is the one common characteristic of every creature on earth. Communists believe that this innate self interest is a result of family influences and evil capitalist programing. They felt that after the complete transition to communism a "New Man" would be created; a selfless, perfectly good man, freed from selfishness and greed. They thought it would be the natural product of the communist system. But, instead it is actually a REQUIREMENT for the system to work. An impossible requirement. Communism requires masses of people to become selfless. To be happy getting nothing in return for strife and sweat and effort. Biologically we are programed to associate effort without reward as failure and failure means starving to death. It isn't just that we are not programed to be selfless... We are biologically, genetically, EVOLUTIONARILY, hard wired to do the opposite; to navigate the world around us with self interest. It can't be bullied, threatened, shamed or beaten out of us. Capitalism channels that self interest towards the common good. If your pursuit of self interest produces something of benefit to others they will pay you money for it. If someone needs a task done that would seem pointless to others, money is offered thereby making it beneficial to the worker performing the pointless task. That's why it works. It works WITH the biological imperative of self interest. Very true. Capitalism relies of self-interest (greed). It may not sound nice but it's true and the natural way of the world. It can have a very positive byproduct. Communism relies of jealousy and the taking of other's work (theft). It is also a universal human trait but it has no positive outcome. In communism, you see your neighbor get a goat. You are jealous so you poison the goat or accuse the neighbor of profiteering, get him arrested. No one gets a goat. In capitalism, you see your neighbor get a new goat. You are greedy and want a better goat so you work harder and get a goat. Everyone ends up with a goat. But self interest and greed are not the same thing. That's a conflation the leftists LOVE to make and it's not correct. Survival is self interest. Is survival greed? The left lies and labels anyone unhappy about working without reward as greedy. Taking what you haven't rightly earned is greed. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:11:30 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I wonder besides the high price,1.25 million a piece, why Russia is holding onto its P-800 oniks and not using them more. It's a newer system that is very deadly and accurate. With a huge range. It's a good thing they don't use them more. Possibly alot of them are nuclear configured, but if they ever launched a huge wave of those it would be a bad day for Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Current Russian Cruise Missile Stocks based on Ukraine’s 🇺🇦 reporting On January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia had 177 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles in stock Since January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia used 174 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles If Russia produced 0 Cruise Missiles since January 3rd, they would have 3 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missile remaining if Ukraine’s reporting is correct, but Russia definitely made more Kh-101 and Kablir Cruise Missiles since then The question is, how many Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles did Russia produce since January 3rd, 2023? On November 17th, Ukraine reported that Russia had 511 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kablir Cruise Missiles in stock. And Ukraine reported that Russia made 240 new Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles since the start of the war (full-scale invasion) last year On January 3rd, Ukraine reported that Russia made 440 new Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles since the start of the war. Russia cannot produce any more Kh-55 Cruise Missiles and instead makes the similar but more modern Kh-101 Cruise Missiles The only way to find out how many Cruise Missiles Russia currently has would be if Ukraine’s reporting is correct and if we know the number of Cruise Missiles Russia makes per month or on average per day. Which is not known at this time The number of Kh-101 and Kalibr Cruise Missiles Russia makes is estimated to be 15 to 125 per month. Which is lower than their rate of usage that is 170 Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles per month in the past two months since their last large missile strike on February 16th The number of Kh-101/Kh-55/Kalibr Cruise Missiles Russia has remaining is unknown but could be estimated if their production rate is known. The details may become more clear in the coming months as Russia does more missile strikes. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqaFFgWWAAEfjaI?format=jpg&name=large I wonder besides the high price,1.25 million a piece, why Russia is holding onto its P-800 oniks and not using them more. It's a newer system that is very deadly and accurate. With a huge range. It's a good thing they don't use them more. Possibly alot of them are nuclear configured, but if they ever launched a huge wave of those it would be a bad day for Ukraine. Isn’t that an anti-ship missile? It’s not accurate at all on ground targets since it will lock on to buildings and think they are shipmprofiles on a flat ocean. Great for killing babies and pensioners in apartment buildings though. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:12:50 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vet14tango10: Haha. They might get them and say return to sender please. Nah with 4/5 batteries it will be operational enough. At times. Mostly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. I think 4 of them, plus 2 SAMP-T lol, initially it went up to 5 seperate compete Patriot batteries being offered, most coming from Europe, then some horse trading happened and one battery was removed and replaced by two SAMP-T. I wouldn't be surprised if more crews were training up and additional Patriots offered if the initial batch works out. There was an interesting aid package to Ukraine a month ago that was equipment to allow legacy Russian Sam units and radars to talk to all the Western ones coming into theater. Even if a system is down, there seems like a lot of overlap might get built up to handle some systems being down. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:16:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: There was an interesting aid package to Ukraine a month ago that was equipment to allow legacy Russian Sam units and radars to talk to all the Western ones coming into theater. Even if a system is down, there seems like a lot of overlap might get built up to handle some systems being down. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. I think 4 of them, plus 2 SAMP-T lol, initially it went up to 5 seperate compete Patriot batteries being offered, most coming from Europe, then some horse trading happened and one battery was removed and replaced by two SAMP-T. I wouldn't be surprised if more crews were training up and additional Patriots offered if the initial batch works out. There was an interesting aid package to Ukraine a month ago that was equipment to allow legacy Russian Sam units and radars to talk to all the Western ones coming into theater. Even if a system is down, there seems like a lot of overlap might get built up to handle some systems being down. Smart. Patriot can be  . Former active duty 14T.
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:29:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Erno86: "Ukraine War: Is Bakhmut about to fall to Russian forces?"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvu3P1jbV_oNow RU has yet another shit show and meat grinder event. Hopefully its delay tactics for UAs breakout in spring |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:33:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:41:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:55:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2023 9:04:39 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YaNi05: I've been following this invasion 2 years and in this thread since the beginning. And you don't like some info so you call me a troll. Dude GTFO. This is coming directly from guys fighting in the East. There are an estimated 4000 'civilians' remaining in Bakhmut out of the 70k pre-war, which assuming every last one of them that stayed is pro-russian and that's not even 6%. And 30% of the pre-war population identified as russian. Do you want to just assume that they're all without any agency? Couldn't possibly leave. There's families with young kids. And there's a lot of old people. They're not just going to tell some pro-Ukrainian stranger they're staying for the russians, duh. They make up some excuse that's believable and doesn't paint them as the enemy. It's human nature. But you can't possibly understand that from your ivory tower with all your 24/7 twitter and telegram feeds. Since you didn't cite any sources, you're not worth listening to. You see what this thread is - posting sources, and discussing what's in those sources. When you just throw your own stuff out there, it's fair to call it BS. And you have posted Kremlin crap in the past, so you need to cite sources more than other folks. I don't assume anything about anyone anywhere. That's why we have sources, to discover reality. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 9:07:16 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vet14tango10: Smart. Patriot can be . Former active duty 14T.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By vet14tango10: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is the Patriot system operational yet inside Ukraine? And do we know if it's with the new Pac-3 missiles or Pac-2? Not in Ukraine as of yet. Ukrainian army said they were getting pac-3 Interceptors. How many batteries ? I saw 2 but cant find anything else. I think 4 of them, plus 2 SAMP-T lol, initially it went up to 5 seperate compete Patriot batteries being offered, most coming from Europe, then some horse trading happened and one battery was removed and replaced by two SAMP-T. I wouldn't be surprised if more crews were training up and additional Patriots offered if the initial batch works out. There was an interesting aid package to Ukraine a month ago that was equipment to allow legacy Russian Sam units and radars to talk to all the Western ones coming into theater. Even if a system is down, there seems like a lot of overlap might get built up to handle some systems being down. Smart. Patriot can be . Former active duty 14T. Defense contractor myself.
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Posted: 3/4/2023 9:08:11 PM EDT
[#50]
I'm just a stupid old boomer.
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