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Link Posted: 3/11/2023 3:24:13 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2023 3:28:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
The 'bleed them white' claim was complete bullshit to cover for Falkenhayn's failed assault on Verdun  
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Originally Posted By Capta:

It's Verdun, from a strategic standpoint.
The 'bleed them white' claim was complete bullshit to cover for Falkenhayn's failed assault on Verdun  

I haven’t studied it deeply but this is from the Imperial War Museum’s article. which is more or less what Ive read previously.
It was originally planned by the German Chief of General Staff, Erich von Falkenhayn to secure victory for Germany on the Western Front. The aim was to crush the French army before the Allies grew in strength through the full deployment of British forces. Without France’s ninety-six divisions the Allies would be unable to continue fighting in the west.
To achieve his aim Falkenhayn needed to target a part of the French front where strategic necessity and national pride combined. The ancient fortress city of Verdun on the River Meuse was just such a place. By securing the heights on the east bank of the river, the Germans would dominate the surrounding area, making it crucial for the French to retake the ground or loose Verdun. Here Falkenhayn planned to use more than 1200 artillery pieces to destroy French units, whilst making limited use of German infantry to minimise his own casualties.
At 4am on 21 February 1916 the battle began, with a massive artillery bombardment and a steady advance by troops of the German Fifth Army under Crown Prince Wilhelm. Five days into the battle, German forces captured Fort Douaumont, the largest and highest of the 19 forts protecting Verdun. The battle appeared to be going Falkenhayn's way. French military leaders declared Verdun could not be held if the east bank of the Meuse was lost and that French national morale would not survive the loss of the city. At this point, however, Crown Prince Wilhelm and his staff stopped following Falkenhayn's strategic concept and committed the Fifth Army to greater offensive action. The seizure of ground became the priority and by the end of February, German losses at Verdun were similar to the French casualties.
General Philippe Petain was then given command of the French Second Army at Verdun. Petain had a reputation as a master of defence and organised his forces to defend in depth by establishing a series of mutually supporting strongpoints, rather than pushing all his troops into the vulnerable front line trenches. Petain also rotated units through Verdun on a regular basis and whilst this exposed much of the French Army to the battle, it ensured troops did not spend long periods of time at the front. The French also greatly increased the number of artillery pieces at Verdun, leading to the Germans suffering equally from incessant shelling. The ability of the French to sustain the battle was due to ammunition and supplies arriving along the 'Voie Sacree', the Scared Way, a single road into Verdun kept open despite constant German shelling.
On 6 March, the Germans renewed their offensive, this time on the west bank of the Meuse. The already terrible battlefield conditions were made worse throughout March and April, as persistent rain turned the area into a quagmire. In late April, General Robert Nivelle took over French command from Petain and began large-scale counter attacks. This offered the Germans a chance to return to Falkenhayn's strategy but by this time all sense of the original concept was lost, replaced by a fixation to take Verdun. In early June the Germans took Fort Vaux after very tough fighting. This proved to be their final success. Efforts to continue the advance later that month failed, despite the use of phosgene gas.
On 24 June, the Allied bombardment began on the Somme. The German offensive at Verdun was reduced in order to reinforce the Somme front. Nivelle seized his chance and attacked. His Second Army had artillery superiority and he employed new tactics based on specialist infantry sections armed with light machine guns, rifle grenades, mortars and light field guns. Even so, the Germans were not prepared to give ground. Casualties rose as villages such as Fleury changed hands several times. There was also terrible fighting for the forts taken by the Germans earlier in the battle before these too fell to the French.
The battle closed down on 15 December, as winter conditions and results of fighting on the Somme made further activity impossible. The French had lost 377,000 men and the Germans 330,000. Falkenhayn's plan to destroy the French army had failed. Even worse from a German perspective, the heavy losses at Verdun combined with even greater casualties suffered on the Somme to create a manpower crisis within the army that would become increasingly difficult to resolve as the war continued
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Link Posted: 3/11/2023 5:31:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jack67:


Good point.

The correct approach would be to embrace American values and pivot towards, 'Why are you slow-walking this, why won't you lead?  Why is the UK the moral center of the western response?"  The lack of genuine leadership on this from Biden has been sickening to me. A few words stuck in a speech here and there. No genuine address to the country, no statements of, "This is who we are, this is what we do" kind of rallying.  That should be what gets attacked from the right and the type of position staked out.
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this is a very good point. Even Reagan knew this during the Nicaragua civil war.  That he was with the counterrevolutionaries and that he himself was a Contra. "and so I guess in a way they are counterrevolutionaries and God bless them for being that way. I guess that makes them contras and so it makes me a contra, too."

America was always had an Anti-communist position and supported the team who didn't want to be under Kremlin control.  


Link Posted: 3/11/2023 5:47:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:

QFT. This doesn't end with Putin, this is a generational conflict. When someone says they're your enemy, believe them. You could wipe out all the Kremlin today, all the Duma, all the Russian talking heads, and they'd be back at this in 10-20 years, because it's baked into their culture. Unless a generation of progressive, friendly Russians can take control for a generation, this conflict will continue, even if Ukraine with Western weaponry grinds Russia's military force completely to dust. Moscow still has nukes, so nobody is going to parade through Red Square with a Ukrainian flag, which means Russia won't be defeated. With their current extreme nationalist and fascist culture, that means they'll be back with another brutal invasion in the future.
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Originally Posted By Capta:
I’m trying to do more of this myself.  Yes the thread is a war news/eval thread, but I think there is more room for background.  Especially since (IMO) a tremendous amount falls into place after watching video 1.
I’ve also been watching a lot of Snyder’s video lecture series on Ukrainian history, which is just too long to post here.  In some other videos he’s obviously trying to sound the alarm because he believes the overall situation is more serious than the west generally understands.  That is, Putin isn’t just a mega crook (though he is that also) and isn’t just an Imperial thug.  Putin and Russia have a clear overall political philosophy (as nuts as it may seem to us) and they have a plan to realize it.  Everyone in Russia is being taught this as part of their culture and this isn’t just going to go away with Putin.
When Putin says “we are fighting NATO” that isn’t an excuse for poor performance in Ukraine; he means that in a political sense and ultimately literally.  Carl Schmidt’s position was that “politics begins when you identify the enemy.”  NATO is the enemy.  Anyone who thinks we don’t have a dog in the hunt are seriously mistaken, because that is Russia’s policy choice.
Snyder often says we’re not at 1942 or 1943 right now, we’re at 1938.  Meaning we have a chance to take a stand for our principles at a critical time.  But Snyder isn’t a military historian and doesn’t make military predictions,  My opinion is that if we don’t take a hard stand now, there will be a bloodbath in Europe that will probably spill over.  Russia is a Fascist state following actual Nazi foreign policy.  World war and genocide are inevitable unless Russia is stopped now and smashed so thoroughly that they have to reevaluate their political philosophy.

QFT. This doesn't end with Putin, this is a generational conflict. When someone says they're your enemy, believe them. You could wipe out all the Kremlin today, all the Duma, all the Russian talking heads, and they'd be back at this in 10-20 years, because it's baked into their culture. Unless a generation of progressive, friendly Russians can take control for a generation, this conflict will continue, even if Ukraine with Western weaponry grinds Russia's military force completely to dust. Moscow still has nukes, so nobody is going to parade through Red Square with a Ukrainian flag, which means Russia won't be defeated. With their current extreme nationalist and fascist culture, that means they'll be back with another brutal invasion in the future.


Agree. The only hope is that Russia gets so ground down and sanctioned that they are ground down to where they are ineffective for many years. In the mean time the border countries have to really beef up conventional forces and continue westernizing.

Hopefully the world learns that Russia can not be allowed to step one foot out of its borders. I think their navy could be used for leverage. Those can be easily sunk without touching Russia soil.
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 5:57:53 AM EDT
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Ukraine says Bakhmut battle is grinding down Russia's best units

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-scorns-russian-missile-strikes-civilians-defence-bakhmut-holds-2023-03-10/

KYIV, March 10 (Reuters) - Ukraine has decided to fight on in the ruined city of Bakhmut because the battle is pinning down Russia's best units and degrading them ahead of a planned Ukrainian spring counter-offensive, an aide to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said.

The comments by Mykhailo Podolyak were the latest signal of a shift by Kyiv this week to continue the defence of the small eastern city, site of the war's bloodiest battle, as Moscow tries to secure its first major victory in more than half a year.

"Russia has changed tactics," Podolyak said in an interview published by Italy's La Stampa newspaper. "It has converged on Bakhmut with a large part of its trained military personnel, the remnants of its professional army, as well as the private companies."

"We, therefore, have two objectives: to reduce their capable personnel as much as possible, and to fix them in a few key wearisome battles, to disrupt their offensive and concentrate our resources elsewhere, for the spring counter-offensive. So, today Bakhmut is completely effective, even exceeding its key tasks."
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Trench warfare, described by both sides as a meat grinder, has claimed a huge toll. But Kyiv's decision to stay and fight suggests it believes Russia's losses far exceed its own.



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It's brutal but if the Ukrainians are trading TDF units for Russias best, then thats a good trade right now. Most UA sources are saying that the kill ratio is far in favor of Ukraine.
UAs regular brigades are kept in reserve for the spring/summer offensives. They're being reinforced and rebuilt with western equipment. If the Ukrainians are able to stockpile enough artillery ammunition for those offensives then they are going to slice right through what the Russians have left.

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1634499363157209088

Link Posted: 3/11/2023 6:43:50 AM EDT
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I  think somebody got busy! Tanks and artillery!! And another day over 1000!
Man, those sunflowers are gonna be huuuge and colorful.
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 7:21:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:


International women’s day.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fqr5r1yWYAExh1p?format=jpg&name=large
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This photo really symbolizes women deserving of respect & recognition, yet our 1st lady dumbass says we should honor a man with tits as a great woman. It really chaps my ass.
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 7:42:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker:

This photo really symbolizes women deserving of respect & recognition, yet our 1st lady dumbass says we should honor a man with tits as a great woman. It really chaps my ass.
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Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker:
Originally Posted By Prime:


International women’s day.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fqr5r1yWYAExh1p?format=jpg&name=large

This photo really symbolizes women deserving of respect & recognition, yet our 1st lady dumbass says we should honor a man with tits as a great woman. It really chaps my ass.


I missed that. Seriously?
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 8:14:31 AM EDT
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The most important thing, according to the minister, is that the tanks work and can be operated when they arrive in Ukraine and are to be engaged.

Not ready at the same time
Because they must be fully functional, all the Leopard 1 tanks do not arrive in Ukraine at once.

"We can expect to be able to deliver between 80 and 90 tanks during 2023. They will be delivered continuously because they will be part of training activities with the Ukrainian soldiers," says Troels Lund Poulsen(V).

"Therefore, we will see that they will be delivered in a large number of subsets from around the beginning of May and the rest of the year.
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https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2023-03-11-forste-leopard-1-kampvogne-klar-til-ukraine-i-maj
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And just because, the Princess of Wales.



Link Posted: 3/11/2023 8:38:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Easterner:


I missed that. Seriously?
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Originally Posted By Easterner:
Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker:
Originally Posted By Prime:


International women’s day.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fqr5r1yWYAExh1p?format=jpg&name=large

This photo really symbolizes women deserving of respect & recognition, yet our 1st lady dumbass says we should honor a man with tits as a great woman. It really chaps my ass.


I missed that. Seriously?


Yes.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/09/alba-rueda-trans-woman-honored-by-white-house-on-international-womans-day/
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 8:52:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Croak:


My Ignore list has swollen a bit too...

https://imgur.com/1nAYZy9.jpg
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Originally Posted By m24shooter:
Originally Posted By Cobradriver:



I never blocked anyone on this site...until March of last year.

I have almost 40 on my retard list currently.


Same here. I had to find out how to even use the Ignore function once I started in this thread.


My Ignore list has swollen a bit too...

https://imgur.com/1nAYZy9.jpg


lol, I liked the "NV" one.
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 8:54:44 AM EDT
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My Ignore list has swollen a bit too...

https://imgur.com/1nAYZy9.jpg
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153. Make the NPC "F Ukraine" comment, I hit ignore. Still will read and comment to them, but ignore is easier to use than the "notes" feature.

Funny thing is, tech threads are pretty much unaffected.
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 8:59:03 AM EDT
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Thank you, in that article again Ukraine still won't respond where the "kinzhal" missiles were targeting.
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I don't think that is surprising. That could get into operational details, if they weren't targeting something fixed like a poweplant.
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 8:59:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99:
153. Make the NPC "F Ukraine" comment, I hit ignore. Still will read and comment to them, but ignore is easier to use than the "notes" feature.

Funny thing is, tech threads are pretty much unaffected.
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99:
Originally Posted By Croak:


My Ignore list has swollen a bit too...

https://imgur.com/1nAYZy9.jpg
153. Make the NPC "F Ukraine" comment, I hit ignore. Still will read and comment to them, but ignore is easier to use than the "notes" feature.

Funny thing is, tech threads are pretty much unaffected.
GD:
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I made that meme
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Originally Posted By Jack67:

Respectfully, no, that’s not how it went down.  I can get into the primary sources from the Japanese on this as I made it a point to study, too. But this summation from Richard Frank is as succinct and accurate as you can make it. There is likely no better US expert on the actual events than him.  The emperor ordered it directly to Tojo because of the bombs. Others on the Supreme War Council (“big six”) have said the same.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/japans-surrender-part-i

What you say, I have no doubt you read somewhere that seemed authoritative.  There is a lot of BAD history out there about this.




LoL.  I thought my “reasons” were varied and fairly profane.  Yours are vastly more intricate and varied.  Hats off to you, my man. ;)

No where near as creative as yours; I will have to up my game:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/7B3685B1-649F-4797-9CFA-F4CCFF6136B3_jpe-2741280.JPG
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Originally Posted By Jack67:
Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:


No.

The Emperor thought that they could negotiate favorable terms of surrender from the Soviets. When the Soviets invaded it was olan that wasn’t going to happen, so the Emperor wanted to surrender. There were conventional bombings that were deadlier than the atomic bombs by the way.

Respectfully, no, that’s not how it went down.  I can get into the primary sources from the Japanese on this as I made it a point to study, too. But this summation from Richard Frank is as succinct and accurate as you can make it. There is likely no better US expert on the actual events than him.  The emperor ordered it directly to Tojo because of the bombs. Others on the Supreme War Council (“big six”) have said the same.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/japans-surrender-part-i

What you say, I have no doubt you read somewhere that seemed authoritative.  There is a lot of BAD history out there about this.


Originally Posted By Croak:


My Ignore list has swollen a bit too...

https://imgur.com/1nAYZy9.jpg


LoL.  I thought my “reasons” were varied and fairly profane.  Yours are vastly more intricate and varied.  Hats off to you, my man. ;)

No where near as creative as yours; I will have to up my game:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556465/7B3685B1-649F-4797-9CFA-F4CCFF6136B3_jpe-2741280.JPG


Correct, people forget the cost of us firebombing Tokyo used an entire fleet of bombers, encountered significant pane and crew losses and the expense of hundreds of not thousands of tons of chemical ordinance.

Meanwhile atomics took one plane, one crew & one bomb, an expensive one, but much much cheaper than the fire bombing of Tokyo.

The emperor and his staff would know how much more powerful a single bomb was compared to whole armies of Russians and American bombers, they’re at the top strategic level, they knew war’s mostly about logistics and economy in the end.
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 9:15:21 AM EDT
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Russian forces are located 1.2 km from the administrative center of Artemovsk, said Yevgeny Prigozhin



Prigozhin announces he's running for President in 2024.
Of Ukraine.





https://ria.ru/20230311/miny-1857205531.html


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How cool would it be if UA could drop a JDAM or maybe do a field test of the PrSM right on top of Prigozins head while he is filming his recruitment vids and propaganda. Milley and Austin could say: " Unequivocally NO. We did not give, sell, or lease ATACMS to Ukraine."
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 9:30:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:


Agree. The only hope is that Russia gets so ground down and sanctioned that they are ground down to where they are ineffective for many years. In the mean time the border countries have to really beef up conventional forces and continue westernizing.

Hopefully the world learns that Russia can not be allowed to step one foot out of its borders. I think their navy could be used for leverage. Those can be easily sunk without touching Russia soil.
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Originally Posted By Capta:
I’m trying to do more of this myself.  Yes the thread is a war news/eval thread, but I think there is more room for background.  Especially since (IMO) a tremendous amount falls into place after watching video 1.
I’ve also been watching a lot of Snyder’s video lecture series on Ukrainian history, which is just too long to post here.  In some other videos he’s obviously trying to sound the alarm because he believes the overall situation is more serious than the west generally understands.  That is, Putin isn’t just a mega crook (though he is that also) and isn’t just an Imperial thug.  Putin and Russia have a clear overall political philosophy (as nuts as it may seem to us) and they have a plan to realize it.  Everyone in Russia is being taught this as part of their culture and this isn’t just going to go away with Putin.
When Putin says “we are fighting NATO” that isn’t an excuse for poor performance in Ukraine; he means that in a political sense and ultimately literally.  Carl Schmidt’s position was that “politics begins when you identify the enemy.”  NATO is the enemy.  Anyone who thinks we don’t have a dog in the hunt are seriously mistaken, because that is Russia’s policy choice.
Snyder often says we’re not at 1942 or 1943 right now, we’re at 1938.  Meaning we have a chance to take a stand for our principles at a critical time.  But Snyder isn’t a military historian and doesn’t make military predictions,  My opinion is that if we don’t take a hard stand now, there will be a bloodbath in Europe that will probably spill over.  Russia is a Fascist state following actual Nazi foreign policy.  World war and genocide are inevitable unless Russia is stopped now and smashed so thoroughly that they have to reevaluate their political philosophy.

QFT. This doesn't end with Putin, this is a generational conflict. When someone says they're your enemy, believe them. You could wipe out all the Kremlin today, all the Duma, all the Russian talking heads, and they'd be back at this in 10-20 years, because it's baked into their culture. Unless a generation of progressive, friendly Russians can take control for a generation, this conflict will continue, even if Ukraine with Western weaponry grinds Russia's military force completely to dust. Moscow still has nukes, so nobody is going to parade through Red Square with a Ukrainian flag, which means Russia won't be defeated. With their current extreme nationalist and fascist culture, that means they'll be back with another brutal invasion in the future.


Agree. The only hope is that Russia gets so ground down and sanctioned that they are ground down to where they are ineffective for many years. In the mean time the border countries have to really beef up conventional forces and continue westernizing.

Hopefully the world learns that Russia can not be allowed to step one foot out of its borders. I think their navy could be used for leverage. Those can be easily sunk without touching Russia soil.



Let me give you an example of that thinking.

I have read noted Orckish authors about various subject matters and no matter what, they will circle back to that time where you were some Nazi.

MAXIM Potemkin, the clown gun writer circles back to me about Hungarian Nazis and the SS units and makes denial that Orckia ever invaded Hungary. Even makes referenced to 1956 Hungary and 1848 Hungary where THEY didn't really invade Hungary.


Circle back to your worst time that was done by little few and you have the moral high ground.
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They circle back to the Ukraine and their terror units as some valid reason to invade.

But they never talk about the evils they have done.

NEVA happened....we swear...all lies.

They say..

What pure and utter brain damaging bullshit.

As I said....grounded to powder, living in caves and wearing lion loins is what I want for them.


They were looking for fascist. 🙄..

Always the excuse.
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Originally Posted By Jack67:
Originally Posted By Easterner:
Originally Posted By Plank_Spanker:
Originally Posted By Prime:


International women’s day.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fqr5r1yWYAExh1p?format=jpg&name=large

This photo really symbolizes women deserving of respect & recognition, yet our 1st lady dumbass says we should honor a man with tits as a great woman. It really chaps my ass.


I missed that. Seriously?


Yes.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/09/alba-rueda-trans-woman-honored-by-white-house-on-international-womans-day/


You know. One of the things I love about Ukraine is the lack of political correctness in what you say, if your feelings are hurt it's your problem, and the lack of drama in the public eye. I'm glad i missed that.
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I don't think that is surprising. That could get into operational details, if they weren't targeting something fixed like a poweplant.
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Originally Posted By AROKIE:


Thank you, in that article again Ukraine still won't respond where the "kinzhal" missiles were targeting.

I don't think that is surprising. That could get into operational details, if they weren't targeting something fixed like a poweplant.


That's the kind of information that gets a person's door kicked in here. We are not to share any photos or information unless it's approved. Loose lips sink ships.

Plenty of collaborators out there doing this and getting scooped up passing information.
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Russian Magnesium ordinance being used.

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Originally Posted By Jack67:


Good point.

The correct approach would be to embrace American values and pivot towards, ‘Why are you slow-walking this, why won’t you lead?  Why is the UK the moral center of the western response?”  The lack of genuine leadership on this from Biden has been sickening to me. A few words stuck in a speech here and there. No genuine address to the country, no statements of, “This is who we are, this is what we do” kind of rallying.  That should be what gets attacked from the right and the type of position staked out.
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The cynic in me still says that Biden hasn't come forth from the heart because he doesn't have one. As his strings are being pulled by the whomevers, and probably influenced by the Islam loving Obama, he doesn't really care what happens to Ukraine. If he did, from the beginning, instead of offering Zelensky and safe passage out of Ukriane, he would have pushed for support and by now, not still slow rolling out support. I hope politics forces the Biden Administration to someday actually roll out the support Ukraine needs and not just lip service. Until then, I wait.
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Always keep an eye to the sky.

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I seem to be busy with life or something, I'm down to reading one in four pages of this thread from one in three.  
Have we done this episode with Solovyov yet?


What I find really interesting here is Solovyov talking about the need to calculate what level of resources is needed to meet the objectives. Which is what did NOT happen prior to the war. Or maybe they thought they did, but got all their assumptions wrong, which comes to the same thing. The planning calculations need to account for assumptions being wrong, which is how we get to what I think was called the Powell doctrine: don't bring the force you need, bring overwhelming force.

They also repeat the same story: we're fighting NATO, we're fighting to restore the historic lands of the Russian Empire. At one point, he asks what exactly is the extent of that, but nobody answers.
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Originally Posted By burnka871:


Mine were a little different but they link to pics of the tank it was cut off of
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Originally Posted By burnka871:
Originally Posted By Zam18th:


Does that QR go to tank pics or just to their website?



Mine were a little different but they link to pics of the tank it was cut off of


This... went to a bunch of pics of the tank the pieces came off of. Even had "wolverines" painted down the barrel.

Edit: I see someone posted the link
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:



Um, no he isn't.   And you clearly didn't watch the video if you think he is.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By borderpatrol:


Russian apologist and unapologetic about it. He should be in trench in Ukraine trying to learn Russian better.



Um, no he isn't.   And you clearly didn't watch the video if you think he is.


I have watched at least a half dozen of his videos. He is a Russian apologists. He fully supports their position regarding NATO expansion, the EU and the idea that Russia gets a say in how its neighbors align themselves in a free world.

Nowhere does he criticize Russia's actions as the reason why these nations want to join NATO and the EU, that is galling IMO.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. If it were not for the Soviet Union's actions after WWII and now Russia's actions, NATO would never have been formed to begin with. The alliance exists because we are dealing with an expansionist government with bayonets poking toward us.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Always keep an eye to the sky.

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Looks like they got lazy and reused the same position multiple times.
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 10:24:47 AM EDT
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Agree it’s number 1. But it’s because they’re trying to avoid a large single escalation that might cause Russia to do something drastic. We’re slowly boiling the frog, which sucks and is causing Ukraine to lose many more people than they should. But if you look at everything we are doing, it’s all designed to slowly get Russia used to the idea, so there’s not a single significant escalation/trigger.  

First it was we won’t give them Himars, then we did. Then it was tanks, and now we are giving tanks (and it started with Bradley’s but not tanks). Right now it’s F16’s, but yet we have Ukranian pilots training here (and it started out with just 2, I thought I read earlier it’s well above that).

I do wish we would give Ukraine a lot more to make this a quick and decisive Ukranian victory but I don’t need to take into account possible Russian countermoves.



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Originally Posted By Capta:

The US could’ve been a lot better served by the Oval Office in this crisis.  Whether Biden just isn’t capable of doing more than he is doing, or he really is just a cowardly old political hack, it is what it is.  However the admin team is doing a good job overall, arguably even an excellent job.  I don’t think we will know until well after the war (if we ever know) why the supply decisions are being made when and as they are.  But boiling it down to 2 possibilities, they’re either ruthless as fuck and grinding Russia to powder at Ukraine’s expense, or they’re fighting tooth and nail to drag supplies out of a chickenshit Biden.  I still go with 1 because, IMO, there is simply too many occurrences of Russia getting obviously trolled over what we will or won’t supply.  “Oh, did we say 40 tanks?  We meant 400.”   That has to be intentional.
Yes, the US president SHOULD be leading from the front politically/morally, but if he’s incapable then it really only matters that “our side” has SOMEONE who can do it.  Boris Johnson did a good job but he’s out of power now.  Poland and the Baltics have been doing and saying the right thing but they’re minor powers whom no one takes seriously enough.  Frankly Zelensky is doing it almost by himself.  That could be by design or by necessity.  Zelensky is an actor (like Reagan) and has the chops to communicate with a mass audience.  Who else is going to do it?  Macron?  Scholtz?  Sunak?  Don’t make me laugh.
If anything this should be a wake-up call for US citizens to demand better than the idiots we’ve gotten for the last 40 years since Reagan.  I think Bush 1 would’ve done the right thing too, but after that it’s a damn crapshoot.
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Originally Posted By Jack67:
Originally Posted By RockNwood:

… The thinking conservative response was Why the hell is it taking so long to start training Abrams and F16 drivers? Where are the ATACMS?

Good point.

The correct approach would be to embrace American values and pivot towards, ‘Why are you slow-walking this, why won’t you lead?  Why is the UK the moral center of the western response?”  The lack of genuine leadership on this from Biden has been sickening to me. A few words stuck in a speech here and there. No genuine address to the country, no statements of, “This is who we are, this is what we do” kind of rallying.  That should be what gets attacked from the right and the type of position staked out.

The US could’ve been a lot better served by the Oval Office in this crisis.  Whether Biden just isn’t capable of doing more than he is doing, or he really is just a cowardly old political hack, it is what it is.  However the admin team is doing a good job overall, arguably even an excellent job.  I don’t think we will know until well after the war (if we ever know) why the supply decisions are being made when and as they are.  But boiling it down to 2 possibilities, they’re either ruthless as fuck and grinding Russia to powder at Ukraine’s expense, or they’re fighting tooth and nail to drag supplies out of a chickenshit Biden.  I still go with 1 because, IMO, there is simply too many occurrences of Russia getting obviously trolled over what we will or won’t supply.  “Oh, did we say 40 tanks?  We meant 400.”   That has to be intentional.
Yes, the US president SHOULD be leading from the front politically/morally, but if he’s incapable then it really only matters that “our side” has SOMEONE who can do it.  Boris Johnson did a good job but he’s out of power now.  Poland and the Baltics have been doing and saying the right thing but they’re minor powers whom no one takes seriously enough.  Frankly Zelensky is doing it almost by himself.  That could be by design or by necessity.  Zelensky is an actor (like Reagan) and has the chops to communicate with a mass audience.  Who else is going to do it?  Macron?  Scholtz?  Sunak?  Don’t make me laugh.
If anything this should be a wake-up call for US citizens to demand better than the idiots we’ve gotten for the last 40 years since Reagan.  I think Bush 1 would’ve done the right thing too, but after that it’s a damn crapshoot.

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Now that's a good set of numbers.
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 10:30:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fike:


So much of what you read on this site or the internet as a whole is based around people unhappy with their own life. Fantasizing about resets and civil war is a prime example. Tribalism is a coping mechanism that simplifies and assigns all of life’s issues to a singular political boogeyman.

It challenges the faith when that boogeyman seemingly does good. It has to be a trick, fake, or for some other reason.

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Originally Posted By fike:
Originally Posted By Hate_Work:
Originally Posted By Capta:

I’ll go a bit farther and suggest that 1) has a fair number of people who consider the other side of the aisle their literal enemies and fantasize about the day they can start shooting their neighbors.
There has been more than a little of that on this site.

Question: Is that "fair number of people" who "fantasize about the day they can start shooting their neighbors" a metaphor? or, is it more like they are fantasizing about someone who would say, "what difference does it make?", or, "we need to pass it to see what's in it", or "mfakhbpkng'v'lkn'd;fnf"?


So much of what you read on this site or the internet as a whole is based around people unhappy with their own life. Fantasizing about resets and civil war is a prime example. Tribalism is a coping mechanism that simplifies and assigns all of life’s issues to a singular political boogeyman.

It challenges the faith when that boogeyman seemingly does good. It has to be a trick, fake, or for some other reason.


I like this post, thanks.
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Originally Posted By Prime:


International women’s day.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fqr5r1yWYAExh1p?format=jpg&name=large

This photo really symbolizes women deserving of respect & recognition, yet our 1st lady dumbass says we should honor a man with tits as a great woman. It really chaps my ass.


I missed that. Seriously?


Yes.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/09/alba-rueda-trans-woman-honored-by-white-house-on-international-womans-day/


Shit like this does not help our case of not being on the side of evil.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Russian Magnesium ordinance being used.

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Bastards! .  That's aweful!
Link Posted: 3/11/2023 10:39:30 AM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84bK6fFv_1w
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Originally Posted By Erno86:
"Ukrainian Troops Defend Bakhmut's Northern Flank From Russian Attacks"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84bK6fFv_1w
Their 120mm mortar round is equivalent to a 155mm rounds
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video


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Originally Posted By spydercomonkey:


That was interesting. Looked like one had to be field stripped in the trench too.
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The thing I noticed was they had stacks of mags on the trench berms made of loose dirt. That can’t be good for function. Noobs.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

Ok, that sheds some light. I assumed that since 2008, Georgia was very anti-Russian. So many fighters from Georgia have died in Ukraine. How the hell did a pro-Russian get into office in Georgia???
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Because Russia uses money, black mail, intimidation and election fraud to make it happen.
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Originally Posted By Jozsi:



Let me give you an example of that thinking.

I have read noted Orckish authors about various subject matters and no matter what, they will circle back to that time where you were some Nazi.

MAXIM Potemkin, the clown gun writer circles back to me about Hungarian Nazis and the SS units and makes denial that Orckia ever invaded Hungary. Even makes referenced to 1956 Hungary and 1848 Hungary where THEY didn't really invade Hungary.


Circle back to your worst time that was done by little few and you have the moral high ground.
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They circle back to the Ukraine and their terror units as some valid reason to invade.

But they never talk about the evils they have done.

NEVA happened....we swear...all lies.

They say..

What pure and utter brain damaging bullshit.

As I said....grounded to powder, living in caves and wearing lion loins is what I want for them.


They were looking for fascist. 🙄..

Always the excuse.
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Russia didnt invade Hungary in '56.
They responded to a call for help from their neighbors and allies in Budapest to help quell some hooliganism. Luckily the Red Army was on maneuvers nearby...

According to the Russians.
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Originally Posted By borderpatrol:

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Nothing happens in a vacuum. If it were not for the Soviet Union's actions after WWII and now Russia's actions, NATO would never have been formed to begin with. The alliance exists because we are dealing with an expansionist government with bayonets poking toward us.
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Absolutely this. I still can’t compute how we’re arguing over this with fellow “conservatives” much less anyone. Both left and right have lost their fucking minds.
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Originally Posted By Prime:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq4-rx8XgAATfg3?format=jpg&name=large
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March 5th 2023, is that a correct date?

Nothing much going on in Lebanon, must be an incorrect date
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