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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:07:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Those arty numbers!  |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:09:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle:
So now it is 2 helicopters and 1 strike fighter?!?! Holy fuck balls man! What the hell is going on? The Russian pilots are all going to start calling in sick at this rate. And if that doesn't work, many will likely grab the ejection handles as soon as they lift from the runways. The pucker factor among them has to be through the roof right now. I guess we may be finding out what exactly was in the box of the "MiG-29 repair parts" the Poles and Czechs sent! 
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:15:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: If they can’t man them, can’t maintain them, and the loss rate would be prohibitive, then it isn’t a good fit. I'm guessing that they are far-sighted enough to have an ongoing fighter pilot training program in hopes that we would finally come to our senses and provide aircraft. Why ask for over 100 birds if you aren't going to be able staff them. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:16:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hate_Work]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: opportunity cost. the resources are not infinite. if you're going to get 'loaned / gifted / sold discounted / etc' a FINITE $$ value worth of gear -- it needs to be the NEED IT NOW gear -- not the nice to have. i also don't to see what MEASURABLE difference any of those airframes would have made over the last 6 months at the cost of the build-up for the upcoming offensive. for the cost of ONE F16 we could 'gift' Ukraine ~ 30+ Bradleys and 18+ M1s... for the cost of ONE jet that might not last a week in combat  these high dollar aircraft are not the difference makers for this conflict. what is 'not getting done' due to lack of aircraft?? we might as well say Ukraine needs more destroyers and subs. just not the needed asset now. Personally, I think a sub in the Black Sea would be useful. 
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:18:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: NASAMS being pushed forward if we believe the report.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
So now it is 2 helicopters and 1 strike fighter?!?! Holy fuck balls man! What the hell is going on? The Russian pilots are all going to start calling in sick at this rate. And if that doesn't work, many will likely grab the ejection handles as soon as they lift from the runways. The pucker factor among them has to be through the roof right now. NASAMS being pushed forward if we believe the report. The Ukrainians probably won't give a straight answer, for quite legitimate reasons. You can almost hear the chaos this is wreaking on Russian defensive planning. It is a good thing that the Russians have proven themselves masters of tactical improvisation, logistical mastery, and operational flexibility in this war, because otherwise, this would be really bad news for the Orcs. Don't worry though, I'm sure that partial airspace denial will not affect their defensive posture in the least!
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:19:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Something new has been added.
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:25:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle:
So now it is 2 helicopters and 1 strike fighter?!?! Holy fuck balls man! What the hell is going on? The Russian pilots are all going to start calling in sick at this rate. And if that doesn't work, many will likely grab the ejection handles as soon as they lift from the runways. The pucker factor among them has to be through the roof right now. GOT DAMN!!! I bet the Russians are scared fucking shitless now!! Hahaha that is freaking awesome!! I bet we start seeing alot of these suprises! |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:26:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: NASAMS being pushed forward if we believe the report. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
So now it is 2 helicopters and 1 strike fighter?!?! Holy fuck balls man! What the hell is going on? The Russian pilots are all going to start calling in sick at this rate. And if that doesn't work, many will likely grab the ejection handles as soon as they lift from the runways. The pucker factor among them has to be through the roof right now. NASAMS being pushed forward if we believe the report. Oh yes I see now!! Since they got Patriots they pushed the nasams up towards the front more. Lol gonna be getting good now |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:26:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: easttxshooter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Video shows it hit by air defense missile. Wonder if it’s now in Patriot range. They said it was circling the area at a decent altitude for a while. Does Russia operate helicopters with AWACS capability? Why would a helo just circle like that? |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:26:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: 
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0787-2815055.jpg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400_GIF-121.gif 1. Anyone that goes in on that doesn’t know their history. 2. It’s part of the propaganda game they’re running on some |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:28:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: You don’t need blood donations if the wounded are left in the field to die. There’s more than enough anecdotal evidence to say that, if this isn’t the rule, it’s a significant possibility. Makes me wonder if the killed to wounded ratio is as bad as 1-to-1. Given the level of corruption up and down, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the lucky ones that make it to medical care are those who have some connections, or can bribe their way to it. Or, being captured by the AFU and receiving real medical care? |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:30:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: 1. Anyone that goes in on that doesn’t know their history. 2. It’s part of the propaganda game they’re running on some Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: Originally Posted By RockNwood:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0787-2815055.jpg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400_GIF-121.gif 1. Anyone that goes in on that doesn’t know their history. 2. It’s part of the propaganda game they’re running on some I'm sure there are several in GD right now making calls to go check it out. Lol |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:37:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brokenhorsey: Colonel Douglas MacGregor claims there's no counteroffensive because Russia has already destroyed 90% of the new equipment with their missile attacks I have seen people doubling down on a statement. But to do it almost weekly for over a year? You have to have some major cognitive issues to keep up that line of thinking without any backup to your stance. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:38:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Charging_Handle]
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Wow! If the latest reports are accurate, the Russians have lost FOUR combat aircraft in the same action over RUSSIAN soil.
2x Mi-8 Hip helicopters 1x Su-34 Fullback strike fighter 1x Su-35 air dominance fighter (doesn't look very dominant, does it?) If there was a ever a clue to the dumb fuck Russians that they are truly fucked and should immediately announce an end to the SMO, this would be it! |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:43:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Wow! If the latest reports are accurate, the Russians have lost FOUR combat aircraft in the same action over RUSSIAN soil. 2x Mi-8 Hip helicopters 1x Su-34 Fullback strike fighter 1x Su-35 air dominance fighter (doesn't look very dominant, does it?) If there was a ever a clue to the dumb fuck Russians that they are truly fucked and should immediately announce an end to the SMO, this would be it! That is no shit!! Lol what a huge day for Ukraine and the history of the air battle of this war |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:48:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Steven Seagal will be appointed as mayor. Doug McGregor will be chief of police. Scott Ritter and Tucker Carlson are heavy favorites for city council. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By RockNwood:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0787-2815055.jpg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400_GIF-121.gif Steven Seagal will be appointed as mayor. Doug McGregor will be chief of police. Scott Ritter and Tucker Carlson are heavy favorites for city council. The Resurrector will be head of nursing homes and retirement communities. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:48:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: I guess we may be finding out what exactly was in the box of the "MiG-29 repair parts" the Poles and Czechs sent! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: I guess we may be finding out what exactly was in the box of the "MiG-29 repair parts" the Poles and Czechs sent! Not sure of accuracy, but interesting if true. The aircraft received new avionics, radar, navigation, and communication systems, including a GPS satellite channel and an onboard computer with digital video and audio recorders for debriefing. The most significant change in the cockpit was a new onboard complex with a HUD display and a multi-function head indicator. Also, the upgraded Polish MiGs gained the ability to use NATO aviation weapons, including compatibility with the US AGM-88 HARM high-velocity anti-radar missiles, AIM-9 short-range infrared homing air-to-air missiles, and early modifications of missiles from medium-range air-to-air class AIM-120 with a target engagement range of up to 70 km. In addition, Polish upgraded MiG-29 fighters can use American JDAM and JDAM-ER-guided bombs. Earlier, 15 modernized MiG-29 fighters were deployed at the 23rd Minsk-Mazovetsky Air Base. article |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:49:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: That is no shit!! Lol what a huge day for Ukraine and the history of the air battle of this war Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Wow! If the latest reports are accurate, the Russians have lost FOUR combat aircraft in the same action over RUSSIAN soil. 2x Mi-8 Hip helicopters 1x Su-34 Fullback strike fighter 1x Su-35 air dominance fighter (doesn't look very dominant, does it?) If there was a ever a clue to the dumb fuck Russians that they are truly fucked and should immediately announce an end to the SMO, this would be it! That is no shit!! Lol what a huge day for Ukraine and the history of the air battle of this war The Ukrainian military said weeks ago we would know if Patriot was in theater. I am savoring the confusion right now.
It was previously known about the fall of two Mi-8 helicopters without ammunition, the crew died; 🔹It is also reported about the fall of two Su-34 and Su-35 fighters, the pilot and navigator of the Su-34 died, there is no data on the crew of the Su-35; 🔹 As a result of the fall of one Mi-8, a 51-year-old woman was injured - fragments of the blades fell into the courtyard of a private house; 🔹Regional and z-publics put forward three main versions of the crash: - Helicopters and fighter jets were shot down by Ukrainian aircraft with Western medium-range missiles, for example, the American AIM-120, from the territory of the Chernihiv region; - they were shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the help of American Patriot complexes; - they were shot down by "Ukrainian saboteurs" from MANPADS; - fighters and helicopters came under "friendly fire" of the Russian air defense; - Technical problems were the cause of the accident. 🔹 The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has not yet commented on the information about the number of downed vehicles and the condition of the pilots; 🔹The "Interception" plan has been introduced on the territory of the Klintsovsky district of the Bryansk region.  |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:52:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: I guess we may be finding out what exactly was in the box of the "MiG-29 repair parts" the Poles and Czechs sent! Not sure of accuracy, but interesting if true. The aircraft received new avionics, radar, navigation, and communication systems, including a GPS satellite channel and an onboard computer with digital video and audio recorders for debriefing. The most significant change in the cockpit was a new onboard complex with a HUD display and a multi-function head indicator. Also, the upgraded Polish MiGs gained the ability to use NATO aviation weapons, including compatibility with the US AGM-88 HARM high-velocity anti-radar missiles, AIM-9 short-range infrared homing air-to-air missiles, and early modifications of missiles from medium-range air-to-air class AIM-120 with a target engagement range of up to 70 km. In addition, Polish upgraded MiG-29 fighters can use American JDAM and JDAM-ER-guided bombs. Earlier, 15 modernized MiG-29 fighters were deployed at the 23rd Minsk-Mazovetsky Air Base. article FOX-3! |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:53:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fv_IfULX0AAixM9?format=jpg&name=large The Ukrainians are softening them up |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:55:30 AM EDT
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A -35 got smoke checked by a ghost. Ha ha ha! Srsly, that and the other 3 in an hour are a pretty big deal.
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:55:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: A couple of possibilities: A: We are very fortunate that we sent a Patriot battery for some real world testing and we happen to discover an unknown vulnerability of these detectable signals. or B: The "signals" were entirely intentional and were to lure the Russians to fire at it with one of their Kinzhals and we demonstrate to the Russians that we can defeat it. Basically that Patriot is here and it is a game changer. I'm leaning towards "B", with the news of the NATO decoy drone used in the Luhansk strike. It appears were are dialing up our EW games with them and screwing with their head.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
Any insight into this? And how long until there are decoys emitting the same signal as bait?  A: We are very fortunate that we sent a Patriot battery for some real world testing and we happen to discover an unknown vulnerability of these detectable signals. or B: The "signals" were entirely intentional and were to lure the Russians to fire at it with one of their Kinzhals and we demonstrate to the Russians that we can defeat it. Basically that Patriot is here and it is a game changer. I'm leaning towards "B", with the news of the NATO decoy drone used in the Luhansk strike. It appears were are dialing up our EW games with them and screwing with their head. NATO will come out victorious because of Ukraine in capabilities and improvements for the next 25 years and possibly beyond ... |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:56:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Something new has been added. Hopefully every pilot and crew member was killed. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 8:58:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: 1. Anyone that goes in on that doesn’t know their history. 2. It’s part of the propaganda game they’re running on some Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: Originally Posted By RockNwood:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0787-2815055.jpg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400_GIF-121.gif 1. Anyone that goes in on that doesn’t know their history. 2. It’s part of the propaganda game they’re running on some I certainly won’t keep anyone from going there. I encourage those that are tempted. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:01:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I'm sure there are several in GD right now making calls to go check it out. Lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By centex_SR-15: Originally Posted By RockNwood:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_0787-2815055.jpg /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400_GIF-121.gif 1. Anyone that goes in on that doesn’t know their history. 2. It’s part of the propaganda game they’re running on some I'm sure there are several in GD right now making calls to go check it out. Lol  Meg’s Russia Song | Family Guy |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:02:31 AM EDT
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UA said they had some surprises.
Well, surprise!
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:02:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: I guess we may be finding out what exactly was in the box of the "MiG-29 repair parts" the Poles and Czechs sent! Not sure of accuracy, but interesting if true. The aircraft received new avionics, radar, navigation, and communication systems, including a GPS satellite channel and an onboard computer with digital video and audio recorders for debriefing. The most significant change in the cockpit was a new onboard complex with a HUD display and a multi-function head indicator. Also, the upgraded Polish MiGs gained the ability to use NATO aviation weapons, including compatibility with the US AGM-88 HARM high-velocity anti-radar missiles, AIM-9 short-range infrared homing air-to-air missiles, and early modifications of missiles from medium-range air-to-air class AIM-120 with a target engagement range of up to 70 km. In addition, Polish upgraded MiG-29 fighters can use American JDAM and JDAM-ER-guided bombs. Earlier, 15 modernized MiG-29 fighters were deployed at the 23rd Minsk-Mazovetsky Air Base. article I’d love it to be true. A Mig-29 blowing SU-35s out of the sky just by getting a slight NATO computer upgrade lol. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:06:38 AM EDT
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Reports are saying both chopper crews completely killed, SU-34 Fullback full crew killed, and “no word” on the SU-35 crew.
These sound like the bigger AIM-120 hitting them unlike smaller manpad missiles giving them time to bail before aircraft breakup. Hopefully we hear of the SU-35 crews demise as well. The experienced crews are more valuable than the actual airframes. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:06:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Something new has been added. Probably just Patriot stretching its legs a little bit, but if the brits are handing out Storm Shadows, it isn't much of a stretch to imagine them giving Meteor as well. I lean more towards Patriot though because even if those Polish MiG-29s can fire Meteor, the radars on those MiGs are probably insufficient to make full use of it unless they can shoot off link data from the Patriot radar. Or maybe a Mk70 Expeditionary Launcher? Four Mk41 VLS cells on a 40' shipping container, four SM6 missiles, four kills? I can dream, right? |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:09:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thehun06]
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4 Air Russian air assets lost ... awesome sauce ...
I mean ... it just shows truly how ineffective Russia is ... they can't even defend their own airspace Their sole effectiveness early in the war was the large numbers thrown at the conflict ... |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:12:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: Probably just Patriot stretching its legs a little bit, but if the brits are handing out Storm Shadows, it isn't much of a stretch to imagine them giving Meteor as well. I lean more towards Patriot though because even if those Polish MiG-29s can fire Meteor, the radars on those MiGs are probably insufficient to make full use of it unless they can shoot off link data from the Patriot radar. Or maybe a Mk70 Expeditionary Launcher? Four Mk41 VLS cells on a 40' shipping container, four SM6 missiles, four kills? I can dream, right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Something new has been added. Probably just Patriot stretching its legs a little bit, but if the brits are handing out Storm Shadows, it isn't much of a stretch to imagine them giving Meteor as well. I lean more towards Patriot though because even if those Polish MiG-29s can fire Meteor, the radars on those MiGs are probably insufficient to make full use of it unless they can shoot off link data from the Patriot radar. Or maybe a Mk70 Expeditionary Launcher? Four Mk41 VLS cells on a 40' shipping container, four SM6 missiles, four kills? I can dream, right? There is video of one of the helicopters getting hit. It’s not as big an explosion as I’d believe a Patriot missile would be but looked bigger than any of the Stinger/Igla hits I’ve seen. It would be fun to think a Mig or SU27 shot it down but I am thinking they pushed a NASAMS super close and hit it with a AIM-120 from the ground. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:13:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: I guess we may be finding out what exactly was in the box of the "MiG-29 repair parts" the Poles and Czechs sent! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
So now it is 2 helicopters and 1 strike fighter?!?! Holy fuck balls man! What the hell is going on? The Russian pilots are all going to start calling in sick at this rate. And if that doesn't work, many will likely grab the ejection handles as soon as they lift from the runways. The pucker factor among them has to be through the roof right now. I guess we may be finding out what exactly was in the box of the "MiG-29 repair parts" the Poles and Czechs sent! Please let somebody at the Pentagon have found a old box of Aim-54 Phoenix missiles, again of course bonus points if the Poles programmed them to play Danger Zone in flight. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:16:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben:  The same guy who claimed back in October that Russia was going to swarm in from all over and take Ukraine in six weeks. Well that never happened.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By brokenhorsey: Colonel Douglas MacGregor claims there's no counteroffensive because Russia has already destroyed 90% of the new equipment with their missile attacks The same guy who claimed back in October that Russia was going to swarm in from all over and take Ukraine in six weeks. Well that never happened.The same guy that said on the 1st week that it's over and Russia has won all of Ukraine.  Fuck that guy. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:23:32 AM EDT
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Oh shit!!
“According to an army source based in Klintsy, one of the helicopters was carrying officers from two artillery brigades and inspectors from the group headquarters who were flying to inspect the location of artillery units. There is no confirmation of this information yet.” |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:24:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Russian military bloggers - the pilot reports that they shot down not ordinary Mi-8s, but Mi-8MTPR - an obstacle course.
The main characteristics of the "Vazhyl-AV" REB are classified by the Ministry of Defense of the RF. As for Mi-8MTPR-1,for 2023,only 20 units (18 already) (electronic warfare) |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:26:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Oh shit!! “According to an army source based in Klintsy, one of the helicopters was carrying officers from two artillery brigades and inspectors from the group headquarters who were flying to inspect the location of artillery units. There is no confirmation of this information yet.” Damn. Fucking big W |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:28:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Damn. Fucking big W Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Oh shit!! “According to an army source based in Klintsy, one of the helicopters was carrying officers from two artillery brigades and inspectors from the group headquarters who were flying to inspect the location of artillery units. There is no confirmation of this information yet.” Damn. Fucking big W No doubt, let's hope it gets confirmed |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:29:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Russian military bloggers - the pilot reports that they shot down not ordinary Mi-8s, but Mi-8MTPR - an obstacle course. The main characteristics of the "Vazhyl-AV" REB are classified by the Ministry of Defense of the RF. As for Mi-8MTPR-1,for 2023,only 20 units (18 already) (electronic warfare) interesting https://airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2022-news-aviation-aerospace/october/8759-russia-deploys-mi-8-mtpr-1-electronic-warfare-helicopters-to-jam-ukrainian-air-defence.html The Mi-8MTPR-1 helicopter is an upgraded model of the usual Mi-8MTV-5-1 outfitted with the Reichg-AV EW system. The use of this helicopter in the Ukraine war was recently confirmed by a photo issued by the Russian Ministry of Defense. In this way, it provides protection for a group of friendly strike aircraft, helicopters, or drones. The system can also jam the radars of enemy aircraft, thereby offering protection not only for friendly air assets but also helping to defend friendly ground troops that might otherwise come under air attack under some scenarios. The Rychag-AV (Aviatsyonnyi Vertolotnyi, airborne for helicopter; Rychag-AVE is a derivative for export) EW system suppresses enemy surface-to-air missile (SAM) system fire-control radars by jamming them. makes sense why they wacked them. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:34:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Russian military bloggers - the pilot reports that they shot down not ordinary Mi-8s, but Mi-8MTPR - an obstacle course. The main characteristics of the "Vazhyl-AV" REB are classified by the Ministry of Defense of the RF. As for Mi-8MTPR-1,for 2023,only 20 units (18 already) (electronic warfare)  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:35:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: interesting https://airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2022-news-aviation-aerospace/october/8759-russia-deploys-mi-8-mtpr-1-electronic-warfare-helicopters-to-jam-ukrainian-air-defence.html The Mi-8MTPR-1 helicopter is an upgraded model of the usual Mi-8MTV-5-1 outfitted with the Reichg-AV EW system. The use of this helicopter in the Ukraine war was recently confirmed by a photo issued by the Russian Ministry of Defense. In this way, it provides protection for a group of friendly strike aircraft, helicopters, or drones. The system can also jam the radars of enemy aircraft, thereby offering protection not only for friendly air assets but also helping to defend friendly ground troops that might otherwise come under air attack under some scenarios. The Rychag-AV (Aviatsyonnyi Vertolotnyi, airborne for helicopter; Rychag-AVE is a derivative for export) EW system suppresses enemy surface-to-air missile (SAM) system fire-control radars by jamming them. makes sense why they wacked them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Russian military bloggers - the pilot reports that they shot down not ordinary Mi-8s, but Mi-8MTPR - an obstacle course. The main characteristics of the "Vazhyl-AV" REB are classified by the Ministry of Defense of the RF. As for Mi-8MTPR-1,for 2023,only 20 units (18 already) (electronic warfare) interesting https://airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2022-news-aviation-aerospace/october/8759-russia-deploys-mi-8-mtpr-1-electronic-warfare-helicopters-to-jam-ukrainian-air-defence.html The Mi-8MTPR-1 helicopter is an upgraded model of the usual Mi-8MTV-5-1 outfitted with the Reichg-AV EW system. The use of this helicopter in the Ukraine war was recently confirmed by a photo issued by the Russian Ministry of Defense. In this way, it provides protection for a group of friendly strike aircraft, helicopters, or drones. The system can also jam the radars of enemy aircraft, thereby offering protection not only for friendly air assets but also helping to defend friendly ground troops that might otherwise come under air attack under some scenarios. The Rychag-AV (Aviatsyonnyi Vertolotnyi, airborne for helicopter; Rychag-AVE is a derivative for export) EW system suppresses enemy surface-to-air missile (SAM) system fire-control radars by jamming them. makes sense why they wacked them. Makes sense why those choppers were circling the cities they were over. Surprise cock fags, your stuff doesn’t work. Those choppers were likely trying to protect the strike aircraft that were also killed. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:40:51 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: If they can't man them, can't maintain them, and the loss rate would be prohibitive, then it isn't a good fit. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:41:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:42:10 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: There is tons to learn from Ukrainian leadership after this too. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:43:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Makes sense why those choppers were circling the cities they were over. Surprise cock fags, your stuff doesn’t work. Those choppers were likely trying to protect the strike aircraft that were also killed.  I'd bet the mind games going on with their pilots is off the charts now. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:43:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: interesting https://airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2022-news-aviation-aerospace/october/8759-russia-deploys-mi-8-mtpr-1-electronic-warfare-helicopters-to-jam-ukrainian-air-defence.html The Mi-8MTPR-1 helicopter is an upgraded model of the usual Mi-8MTV-5-1 outfitted with the Reichg-AV EW system. The use of this helicopter in the Ukraine war was recently confirmed by a photo issued by the Russian Ministry of Defense. In this way, it provides protection for a group of friendly strike aircraft, helicopters, or drones. The system can also jam the radars of enemy aircraft, thereby offering protection not only for friendly air assets but also helping to defend friendly ground troops that might otherwise come under air attack under some scenarios. The Rychag-AV (Aviatsyonnyi Vertolotnyi, airborne for helicopter; Rychag-AVE is a derivative for export) EW system suppresses enemy surface-to-air missile (SAM) system fire-control radars by jamming them. makes sense why they wacked them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Russian military bloggers - the pilot reports that they shot down not ordinary Mi-8s, but Mi-8MTPR - an obstacle course. The main characteristics of the "Vazhyl-AV" REB are classified by the Ministry of Defense of the RF. As for Mi-8MTPR-1,for 2023,only 20 units (18 already) (electronic warfare) interesting https://airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2022-news-aviation-aerospace/october/8759-russia-deploys-mi-8-mtpr-1-electronic-warfare-helicopters-to-jam-ukrainian-air-defence.html The Mi-8MTPR-1 helicopter is an upgraded model of the usual Mi-8MTV-5-1 outfitted with the Reichg-AV EW system. The use of this helicopter in the Ukraine war was recently confirmed by a photo issued by the Russian Ministry of Defense. In this way, it provides protection for a group of friendly strike aircraft, helicopters, or drones. The system can also jam the radars of enemy aircraft, thereby offering protection not only for friendly air assets but also helping to defend friendly ground troops that might otherwise come under air attack under some scenarios. The Rychag-AV (Aviatsyonnyi Vertolotnyi, airborne for helicopter; Rychag-AVE is a derivative for export) EW system suppresses enemy surface-to-air missile (SAM) system fire-control radars by jamming them. makes sense why they wacked them. Also aim-120 switches to passive "home in on Jamming" when it senses it is being jammed, and follows it in to the source so it makes since that it was an Aim-120 |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:43:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:45:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Makes sense why those choppers were circling the cities they were over. Surprise cock fags, your stuff doesn’t work. Those choppers were likely trying to protect the strike aircraft that were also killed. Yup, in one fell swoop, Ukraine took out Russia's most advanced strike fighter, its most advanced fighter escort and their SEAD assets. What an utterly humiliating moment this must be for them. |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:46:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:46:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: So was it an Su-34 that crashed or an Mi-8? Or was it both? I'm confused. If it was BOTH, that indicates lack of maintenance/spare parts is really reaching critical levels, or the Ukrainians have moved a Patriot battery to somewhere within the vicinity. Even in Russia, it is a bit unusual for multiple aircraft to start falling from the sky at the same time. Or a manpad or three have been smuggled into Russia by Ukrainian patriots.... |
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Posted: 5/13/2023 9:47:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Shits jumping off up there
Twitter comments said that's fake...it's from 2022.. |
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