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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:30:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stone-age]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DKUltra: I don't think it's just lazy thinking conservatives. There is definitely russian influence in conservative media. A lot of conservatives don't want to admit that. As it might bring doubt into other political views pushed in the conservative MSM. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DKUltra: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By j_hooker: I strayed out of this thread after 7 months, clicked on another UA thread and wow, damn that's some dumb ass shit being posted. "I wish we would have armed the Russians." WTF is wrong with people? Is it the millennials that have never seen or studied what the USSR era did? Man, I hate losing faith in people around this place, and very disheartening. It's still my belief that a chunk of right wing people find it easiest to simply declare all people farther left than them as evil and leave it at that. The biden admin supports Ukraine, so they decide that is the bad thing to do and search for things to confirm what they already think. It's lazy and stupid. I'm trying to start a rumor that the biden admin is forcing people to keep breathing. And I'm saying that Russia Understands that it's easy to manipulate some conservatives because they are lazy.We are saying the same thing for different reasons.Potato , potato. Sorry for the threadslide this whole thing gets my fur up. It's relevant to the war and our election. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:30:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Fuck Russia. I don't care if we talked every country on earth into joining NATO, we still wouldn't be in the wrong here. The point of NATO is countering Russian aggression so, if Russia wasn't a fucking asshole country, NATO would be basically pointless. Fuck these Russian apologists, too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: God I hate these fucking douche bags. They sound just like the sympathizers here in the US of Hitler before we got into WW2. The whole "don't blame the rapist, you shouldn't have been wearing a dress" attitude is frustrating as fuck. Especially when the rapist has been on the sex offender list for over 100 years Fuck Russia. I don't care if we talked every country on earth into joining NATO, we still wouldn't be in the wrong here. The point of NATO is countering Russian aggression so, if Russia wasn't a fucking asshole country, NATO would be basically pointless. Fuck these Russian apologists, too. On target. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:37:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: I noticed that provocative posts were coming from CM and Socio. They would post but never become part of the thread again. Once I called it out they mysteriously disappeared. I'm sure they are posting under another name, but I was quite sure they were bots trying to gin people up. Multiply the behavior on just this site, then multiply by all the thousands of other sites and you can see how disinformation can gain traction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: Originally Posted By fike: Pay attention to who is creating thread after thread with just articles that push a certain narrative. And then ask why. I noticed that provocative posts were coming from CM and Socio. They would post but never become part of the thread again. Once I called it out they mysteriously disappeared. I'm sure they are posting under another name, but I was quite sure they were bots trying to gin people up. Multiply the behavior on just this site, then multiply by all the thousands of other sites and you can see how disinformation can gain traction. Posting in a thread is one thing, starting a thread is something completely different. To start a thread is to direct the discussion of the group. Most will start threads occasionally about different topics, some will start threads about the same general subject with both positive or negative stories, but then a few will continually start threads with only negative stories on a particular subject. At that point, only a fool wouldn’t consider their motivation. Most folks are lazy consumers when it comes to information. Like a child, if they constantly hear “it sucks, we suck, you suck”, they will begin to believe it. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:39:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Just wait till he learns that they speak Mandarin in Taiwan. There you have it. Putin just needs to hold till the elections and his land grab will be "negotiated". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Just putting this here to illustrate how fucked up our political situation is here in the good old US of A. Management needs you to find the difference between these things:
What an imbecile. Just wait till he learns that they speak Mandarin in Taiwan. There you have it. Putin just needs to hold till the elections and his land grab will be "negotiated". Oof! 1. He is on the wrong side of morality in this situation. 2. He doesn’t even understand the basics of the people who are/were in the Donbas and Crimea. 3. He had four years to solve the conflict before it erupted and did nothing substantial. 4. The priority is not making a quick deal, it is getting Russia to back off and behave and for Ukraine to live in sovereign peace. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:39:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: I plan on abusing that on all sorts of threads in the near future.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By UKjohn:  likeI plan on abusing that on all sorts of threads in the near future. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:42:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:43:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Had Russia had proper intel to formulate a workable plan, they had the military and equipment to take the Eastern half of Ukraine Feb. 2022. Maybe even Kiev. Holding it would be another problem though. Also, had they mobilized the 300K earlier AND took the time to train them they probably would have had much more impact. I doubt the big Western players would have done more watching the partial mobilization than they did watching the buildup on the border in late 2021 and early 2022. They may have even done less looking at the Russian success as a "sure thing" which is actually what kept them from sending more aid. Luckily, Russia did everything wrong then repeated the mistakes. They squandered the last remaining manpower and equipment by throwing them into the meatgrinder stupidly. Later, had they left Bahkmut alone and instead trained and equipped, they would have the better part of that 300K AND the equipment now and maybe have a chance against the upcoming UA offensive. Now, it will be nearly impossible to mobilize another 300K not to mention arm them properly. Just like the very interesting GD debates about "Could Germany have won WWII"? we will have interesting discussions about the ways Russia could have possibly "won" in Ukraine. I think it was possible but they would have had to do everything just right instead of doing everything wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Capta: Girkin, Prigozhin, and a lot of other “superpatriots” put out a lot of pie-in-the-sky advice going back to last April - I.E. that full mobilization/“DO YOU WANT TOTAL WAR?” Was always the answer. It was NEVER the answer, both from the perspective of Russian internal realities and from the perspective of the Western reaction. First, as demonstrated pretty conclusively from October 2022 to now, Russia does not have the capability to mobilize, train, equip, and supply a mass army of millions. Even mobilizing 300K men showed that Russia could barely manage to hand them AKs and get them to the front. They didn’t train them and they can’t really supply them. Mobilizing 2 million men would’ve been a disaster of Biblical proportions. Second, Russia picked a fight with a coalition with something like 40 times their GDP. So the objective answer to the question “Do you want total war?” Should be a resounding “FUCK NO.” Russia could never, ever win a production battle with NATO. The whole situation is eerily similar to Japan vs the US in WW2, with likely the same outcome. Third, if, hypothetically, Russia tried to fully mobilize, that would be seen by Europe as an existential threat. The foot-dragging and half-measures that have characterized the European response for much of the last year would go away. Europe (combined with the US) can turn the pain up to 11 on a scale of 1-10 literally any time they want. Storm-shadows supplied in numbers a year ago would’ve done catastrophic damage to the Russian war machine in Ukraine. And that’s only one system. And that doesn’t consider the possibility of direct support like a no-fly zone. Had Russia had proper intel to formulate a workable plan, they had the military and equipment to take the Eastern half of Ukraine Feb. 2022. Maybe even Kiev. Holding it would be another problem though. Also, had they mobilized the 300K earlier AND took the time to train them they probably would have had much more impact. I doubt the big Western players would have done more watching the partial mobilization than they did watching the buildup on the border in late 2021 and early 2022. They may have even done less looking at the Russian success as a "sure thing" which is actually what kept them from sending more aid. Luckily, Russia did everything wrong then repeated the mistakes. They squandered the last remaining manpower and equipment by throwing them into the meatgrinder stupidly. Later, had they left Bahkmut alone and instead trained and equipped, they would have the better part of that 300K AND the equipment now and maybe have a chance against the upcoming UA offensive. Now, it will be nearly impossible to mobilize another 300K not to mention arm them properly. Just like the very interesting GD debates about "Could Germany have won WWII"? we will have interesting discussions about the ways Russia could have possibly "won" in Ukraine. I think it was possible but they would have had to do everything just right instead of doing everything wrong. The layers upon layers of Russian poor decisions, based off hubris is unprecedented. It’s as if a book was written of what not to do in war and Russia said, “hold my Vodka, watch this” |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:46:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_hooker: The layers upon layers of Russian poor decisions, based off hubris is unprecedented. It’s as if a book was written of what not to do in war and Russia said, “hold my Vodka, watch this” It's almost like a wish.com version of the winter war except the Finns are actually getting western support this time. Lets hope the Russians don't find their Timoshenko. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:50:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Not the best interview but some interesting points  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WgnuwRCS3gThanks for that @m35ben Since the start of the war I have been facinated by the narratives put out by Russia due to my proffesional experience in written/oral argumentation. A) I was just amazed how despite it being a completly inconsistant and baseless it got spread here but also in the among right here in the Netherlands. Under any level of scrutenly people should be able to punch holes in it left and right but instead a lot of the the stuf just gets copy/pasta'ed. B) I myself am a bit of a tard as with every summation of said lunacy I also post a link as proof I'm not making shit up1 BUT that also partly spreads the narrative. (1) Almost a reflex to provide proof along with making a argument. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:52:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:55:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Ukraine knows what was blown up. They know exactly what was there |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:55:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:58:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Thanks for that @m35ben Since the start of the war I have been facinated by the narratives put out by Russia due to my proffesional experience in written/oral argumentation. A) I was just amazed how despite it being a completly inconsistant and baseless it got spread here but also in the among right here in the Netherlands. Under any level of scrutenly people should be able to punch holes in it left and right but instead a lot of the the stuf just gets copy/pasta'ed. B) I myself am a bit of a tard as with every summation of said lunacy I also post a link as proof I'm not making shit up1 BUT that also partly spreads the narrative. (1) Almost a reflex to provide proof along with making a argument. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 3:59:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Ukraine knows what was blown up. They know exactly what was there Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Ukraine knows what was blown up. They know exactly what was there Well, yeah, but from what can be known in the public sources is that it is an old Soviet style ammo and aviation gas storage site that has been well known for years. I wouldn't put anything new or useful there during a wartime situation. This is similar to the attack last week that turned out to be an expired ICBM fuel storage site. Impressive boom, but probably not the new Western weapons that the Russians want us to believe. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:05:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: I get a headache reading the propoganda from both sides. Two things I'd be willing to bet money on regardless of the outcome of the war. This war is going to keep going for a long time, we have years left. And it will take Ukraine decades and trillions of dollars to rebuild all the destroyed cities and infrastructure. Yep, is it going to be us or China that makes all the building deals and close relationships with new rebuilt business eases and gorgeous Ukrainian women. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:10:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:13:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Yep, is it going to be us or China that makes all the building deals and close relationships with new rebuilt business eases and gorgeous Ukrainian women. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: I get a headache reading the propoganda from both sides. Two things I'd be willing to bet money on regardless of the outcome of the war. This war is going to keep going for a long time, we have years left. And it will take Ukraine decades and trillions of dollars to rebuild all the destroyed cities and infrastructure. Yep, is it going to be us or China that makes all the building deals and close relationships with new rebuilt business eases and gorgeous Ukrainian women. China is salivating all over the idea that they can move into Ukraine and make profits from the war after the west spends all of the money to win the war. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:29:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: The cultists will mob you and call you a Biden supporter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ludder093: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: So since this is the official position of a declared Democrat presidential candidate, are we allowed to call people here parroting the same talking points Democrats/Dem supporters? Just asking questions...  I know. But sorry, I form my own opinions and then select the best candidate to represent me. And often I have to select one that I agree with on somethings and disagree with on others. I don’t look for candidates to tell me what to believe. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:35:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: At one point this forum was mostly fairly mainstream conservative, hard right and hard left loons were tolerated, but not the majority. The loons on the extremes have taken over, to fit in you have to agree that anyone who isn't as nuts as you is either Hitler or Stalin, depending on what side of the fruit stand you are on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By stone-age: I can almost guarantee that when people like moderates and liberals in america form their opinions of what an "american conservative" is, they form that idea based on experiences reading over forums like GD. I've seen it. I used to think I was pretty far on the right of the spectrum. Nowadays it is more like a kaleidoscope than an orderly spectrum. I have no idea where I am on that scale! |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:38:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: As someone pointed out he had four years to make a deal and did nothing. I criticize Dems for doing the same thing when they make bold claims but already had a chance and did nothing. He needs to let go of his Putin doll and join into adult conversation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Just putting this here to illustrate how fucked up our political situation is here in the good old US of A. Management needs you to find the difference between these things:
What an imbecile. As someone pointed out he had four years to make a deal and did nothing. I criticize Dems for doing the same thing when they make bold claims but already had a chance and did nothing. He needs to let go of his Putin doll and join into adult conversation. The problem is that Putin isn’t willing to let go of his Trump doll. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:47:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dracster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Well, yeah, but from what can be known in the public sources is that it is an old Soviet style ammo and aviation gas storage site that has been well known for years. I wouldn't put anything new or useful there during a wartime situation. This is similar to the attack last week that turned out to be an expired ICBM fuel storage site. Impressive boom, but probably not the new Western weapons that the Russians want us to believe. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Ukraine knows what was blown up. They know exactly what was there Well, yeah, but from what can be known in the public sources is that it is an old Soviet style ammo and aviation gas storage site that has been well known for years. I wouldn't put anything new or useful there during a wartime situation. This is similar to the attack last week that turned out to be an expired ICBM fuel storage site. Impressive boom, but probably not the new Western weapons that the Russians want us to believe. The Ukrainians are supposed to have a couple hundred old FROGs in storage somewhere plus a bunch of old SA-4 & 5. I wonder if they've been hit yet. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:50:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:51:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Empty rails. I hope his flight was a success. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By Snerticus: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwATXhxX0AIXCDT?format=jpg&name=large Awesome looking aircraft Empty rails. I hope his flight was a success. Old picture  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:54:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Remember those crappy Russian ground robots with machine guns? https://twitter.com/PaulJawin/status/1657768709560074240
https://twitter.com/DiZi25411638/status/1657769299799318528 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Remember those crappy Russian ground robots with machine guns? https://twitter.com/PaulJawin/status/1657768709560074240
Also, one of the tracks was lost during the transportation, https://twitter.com/DiZi25411638/status/1657769299799318528 The Tweet text in that is golden! Everyone tweeted, so did I. Russian combat robot Platform-M. A KamAZ truck, a winch and a ramp were provided for it, but the truck was apparently burned, the winch was stolen, and the ramp was lost.  |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 5:11:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Is that why Putin had to call a meeting between him and shoigu to calm tensions between the two...I don't believe for one second he's a Jr. Partner. He is head master. Look a bit deeper and you’ll find multiple chekist types that are ‘former’ highly decorated senior GRU and RuAF leaders at the head of the snake that aren’t just campaign or area leaders. Prigozhin plays a specific role, but he is not the Capo di Tutti Capi. Ukrainian intelligence has said as much. Read between the lines: Wagner PMC is a GRU sock puppet. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 5:12:52 PM EDT
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Allegedly, UA sniper work in Bakhmut: https://t.me/ukr_sof/544. I wonder what scope they are using and what kind of real time info it's displaying.
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Posted: 5/14/2023 5:26:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: And I'm saying that Russia Understands that it's easy to manipulate some conservatives because they are lazy.We are saying the same thing for different reasons.Potato , potato. Sorry for the threadslide this whole thing gets my fur up. It's relevant to the war and our election. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By DKUltra: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By j_hooker: I strayed out of this thread after 7 months, clicked on another UA thread and wow, damn that's some dumb ass shit being posted. "I wish we would have armed the Russians." WTF is wrong with people? Is it the millennials that have never seen or studied what the USSR era did? Man, I hate losing faith in people around this place, and very disheartening. It's still my belief that a chunk of right wing people find it easiest to simply declare all people farther left than them as evil and leave it at that. The biden admin supports Ukraine, so they decide that is the bad thing to do and search for things to confirm what they already think. It's lazy and stupid. I'm trying to start a rumor that the biden admin is forcing people to keep breathing. And I'm saying that Russia Understands that it's easy to manipulate some conservatives because they are lazy.We are saying the same thing for different reasons.Potato , potato. Sorry for the threadslide this whole thing gets my fur up. It's relevant to the war and our election. back on topic F*^k russia
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Posted: 5/14/2023 5:32:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lightning_P38]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_hooker: The layers upon layers of Russian poor decisions, based off hubris is unprecedented. It's as if a book was written of what not to do in war and Russia said, "hold my Vodka, watch this" The shaved teste has had Putin's ear for years, he approved of the plan and is as culpable as any other Russian general, maybe more so. He is Putin's Chef, after all. ETA: all that is to say, yep, they are some dumb mofos. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 5:34:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: The problem is that Putin isn’t willing to let go of his Trump doll. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Just putting this here to illustrate how fucked up our political situation is here in the good old US of A. Management needs you to find the difference between these things:
What an imbecile. As someone pointed out he had four years to make a deal and did nothing. I criticize Dems for doing the same thing when they make bold claims but already had a chance and did nothing. He needs to let go of his Putin doll and join into adult conversation. The problem is that Putin isn’t willing to let go of his Trump doll.  Of all the people in the world to pin his reputation on.. Putin?! Really?! |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 5:36:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile: Those are founded in leftist talking points used since at least the 70s. I still remember "no blood for oil" during Desert Shield. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: It may be contrarianism but it is also a shift left. Just look at the usual accompanying talking points about "muh evil MIC" and "muh endless wars". Those are straight up, hard left talking points heard from the left circa 2001-2008. I still remember "no blood for oil" during Desert Shield. Which I believe were developed with the efforts of the Soviet Union and other communists. Just another way their IO have proven very successful. It seems to be one of the few things they do well. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 5:37:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Look a bit deeper and you’ll find multiple chekist types that are ‘former’ highly decorated senior GRU and RuAF leaders at the head of the snake that aren’t just campaign or area leaders. Prigozhin plays a specific role, but he is not the Capo di Tutti Capi. Ukrainian intelligence has said as much. Read between the lines: Wagner PMC is a GRU sock puppet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Is that why Putin had to call a meeting between him and shoigu to calm tensions between the two...I don't believe for one second he's a Jr. Partner. He is head master. Look a bit deeper and you’ll find multiple chekist types that are ‘former’ highly decorated senior GRU and RuAF leaders at the head of the snake that aren’t just campaign or area leaders. Prigozhin plays a specific role, but he is not the Capo di Tutti Capi. Ukrainian intelligence has said as much. Read between the lines: Wagner PMC is a GRU sock puppet. This is what I've thought for a while, too. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 5:52:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: China is salivating all over the idea that they can move into Ukraine and make profits from the war after the west spends all of the money to win the war. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:02:14 PM EDT
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Lukashenko appears to be in bad shape. If he goes, Belarus is going to be full-on absorbed into Russia for all practical matters.
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:03:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: They might get their wish with how American foreign policy can't be planned past the next election anymore. The Ukr inians seem to more a bit more idealistic than us these days. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Lukashenko appears to be in bad shape. If he goes, Belarus is going to be full-on absorbed into Russia for all practical matters. I wonder if he's been tested for poison/radiation poisoning yet. The annexation of belarus would be seriously bad news for Ukr. Every male russia could get their hands on would go straight to the front. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:14:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: It may be contrarianism but it is also a shift left. Just look at the usual accompanying talking points about "muh evil MIC" and "muh endless wars". Those are straight up, hard left talking points heard from the left circa 2001-2008. So far left that 1930s communists are in sight because I’d argue that capitalists and the MIC are interchangeable in context.   |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:16:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: So far left that 1930s communists are in sight because I’d argue that capitalists and the MIC are interchangeable in context. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/260794/IMG_0059-2816829.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/260794/IMG_0060-2816814.jpg suckers. every single one of them. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:20:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonKey153: I wonder if he's been tested for poison/radiation poisoning yet. The annexation of belarus would be seriously bad news for Ukr. Every male russia could get their hands on would go straight to the front. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonKey153: Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Lukashenko appears to be in bad shape. If he goes, Belarus is going to be full-on absorbed into Russia for all practical matters. I wonder if he's been tested for poison/radiation poisoning yet. The annexation of belarus would be seriously bad news for Ukr. Every male russia could get their hands on would go straight to the front. Belarusian males do get a vote in the matter. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:21:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:28:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Of all the people in the world to pin his reputation on.. Putin?! Really?! |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:28:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonKey153: I wonder if he's been tested for poison/radiation poisoning yet. The annexation of belarus would be seriously bad news for Ukr. Every male russia could get their hands on would go straight to the front. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonKey153: Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Lukashenko appears to be in bad shape. If he goes, Belarus is going to be full-on absorbed into Russia for all practical matters. I wonder if he's been tested for poison/radiation poisoning yet. The annexation of belarus would be seriously bad news for Ukr. Every male russia could get their hands on would go straight to the front. I’m sure Poland will be keeping a sharp eye on any mobilization and troop movement in Belarus. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:29:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: They might get their wish with how American foreign policy can't be planned past the next election anymore. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By stone-age: China is salivating all over the idea that they can move into Ukraine and make profits from the war after the west spends all of the money to win the war. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:33:50 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1657872695357472774 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwHybkjX0AI7n6B?format=jpg&name=medium Kill the officers keeping them there and the mobiks might start surrendering en mass. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:41:25 PM EDT
[#45]
More info on Bakhmut progress. Love seeing that red disappear!!!
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:48:11 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: After China's support for Russia, I doubt Ukraine will be overly eager to join that camp. I don't imagine they will be inviting Iran to the Victory party either. The Ukr inians seem to more a bit more idealistic than us these days. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:50:00 PM EDT
[#47]
But, but, but muh ESCALATION!
Milley and Biden, 
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:53:03 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonKey153: I wonder if he's been tested for poison/radiation poisoning yet. The annexation of belarus would be seriously bad news for Ukr. Every male russia could get their hands on would go straight to the front. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonKey153: Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts: Lukashenko appears to be in bad shape. If he goes, Belarus is going to be full-on absorbed into Russia for all practical matters. I wonder if he's been tested for poison/radiation poisoning yet. The annexation of belarus would be seriously bad news for Ukr. Every male russia could get their hands on would go straight to the front. Polls indicate that the Belarusian populace is largely against intervention in Ukraine on the side of Russia. I don't think that mass conscripting Belarusian males and sending them into combat would end very well. I would envision the Kastus Kalinouski regiment, Pahonia regiment, etc. getting a surge of recruits, and I could also see partisan activity picking up significantly on Belarusian soil. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 6:59:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#49]
Hehehe! Sucks to be you vatniks!
https://twitter.com/pstyle0ne1/status/1657872695357472774  “Complex” must be a weird translation from Russian of “fucked up bad.” |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 7:11:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Which I believe were developed with the efforts of the Soviet Union and other communists. Just another way their IO have proven very successful. It seems to be one of the few things they do well. Once Russia is tapped out and can’t afford disinformation like they could two years ago, watch what random ideas and organizations suddenly blink out of existence. |
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