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Posted: 5/28/2023 8:27:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2023 8:29:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2023 8:31:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 5/28/2023 8:33:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EasTexan: Whats stopping Putin from annexing Belarus if/when Lukashenko does? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EasTexan: Originally Posted By brahm: Originally Posted By sq40: Luakashenko in critical condition. https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-poisoning-belarus-dictator-luakashenko-083900039.html non transportable. well if he is going to die from poisoning or natural causes. dying in moscow is the best place. putin is obviously going to try and replace him with a more controllable puppet. however if luakashenko were to dies in moscow. it may just throw belarus into a more rebellious state. Whats stopping Putin from annexing Belarus if/when Lukashenko does? Poland. I am fairly sure they would not allow Russia to annex the country without a fight. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 8:33:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 5/28/2023 8:38:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Explosions in Kyiv (Holosiivskyi), Poltava, and Khmelnytskyi. A series of strong explosions in Kyiv. Over 10 pieces in the last few minutes.
Missile shot down near Kyiv. Air defense works! We observe safety, we are in shelters! https://t.me/vitaliy_klitschko/1991 |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 8:49:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxQOBf7XsAALfOr?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Was thinking today about drones and NLAWs. Would there be any use of a Javelin/NLAW that could be integrated with a drone? I'm imagining a scenario were a group of soldiers are carrying several Javelins with them but get pinned down and have no safe line of site to an armored vehicle laying fire on their position. Maybe something like the video of that Ukrainian super soldier in the trench with his ammo elf. If one guy in the group had a foldable drone that could be pulled from a backpack, unfolded and latched to a Javelin they could launch it up out of a trench or foxhole, gain visual on the armored vehicle and fire all without exposing themselves. Rather than a separate suicide drone it could be smaller as an accessory to an existing NLAW. Seems like something that should be well within current technological capabilities. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 8:50:09 PM EDT
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Reports look like no more made it through today than yesterday. Motherfuckers can't do 100 a night for very long.
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Posted: 5/28/2023 8:54:25 PM EDT
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This is a factor.
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:04:27 PM EDT
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Some commentary from Rob Lee.
Russia achieved limited tactical gains at high cost over the winter. Ukraine correctly held back resources and spent time regenerating offensive potential to give itself a better chance of achieving operational-strategic level gains this summer. If Ukraine had committed all of its resources to the front over the winter, Russia likely wouldn't have made any gains but Ukraine would have reduced its chances for achieving a breakthrough this summer. I think some people assume that both sides commit all of their resources to the front line at all times and that wars are linear, but that isn't how it works. Ukraine has a much better chance of making serious gains this summer than Russia had over the winter. I think the focus on Bakhmut has given some people the wrong perception of the war, conflating a tactical-level battle (Bakhmut) with the strategic level. There were several other battles over the winter and none were successes for Russia. There are still important long-term questions about ammunition availability and other variables, but I'm more optimistic about Ukraine' chances after Russia's failed winter offensive and recent announcements of more capable weapons' deliveries from NATO members. Russia made some slow and costly gains last spring before that offensive culminated. Similar arguments were made then about the war's trajectory favoring Moscow, but the attrition Russia sustained set the conditions for Ukraine's successful offensives in Kherson and Kharkiv. Russian equipment issues are growing, and they are increasingly relying on convicts to fight/hold their lines. I'm skeptical that Russia can restore sufficient offensive potential to make serious gains. The question is whether they can defend the territory they currently control. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:07:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: It sounds like a great DMR and light machine gun cartridge. But looking at the fighting in Ukraine it would seem to be horrible for regular troops there. Gen Milley, no kidding the troops were “over matched “ by PKM 7.62x54 machine guns!! What a damn surprise. How about just fielding more M240s rather than burdening every single soldier with big ass gun and ammo? I’m a bit surpised to not see more vids of 40mm grenades being used by individual troops. I saw maybe two so far and those compact launchers look great. Seems those would be great for trenches and dugouts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: After exhaustive analysis and debate the Taliban decided their AKs and PKM machineguns were over-matched by 14.5” M4s and have decided to upgrade their entire army with the superior firepower and accuracy of the M4. One Taliban warlord is quoted as saying “That PKM is a heavy bitch! Who needs a full size cartridge these days? Our soldiers will soon be able to carry 50% more ammunition and hit targets beyond 50 meters with precision fire. The full size 7.62 cartridge is dead end for the infantry. “ That might have happened 😂 10:10 In the future, US Infantry will be clearing trenches using 15lb battle rifles with 20 round mags holding .270WSSM... I have a feeling that, by the time this thing comes to fruition (with all of the "improvements"), a lot of grunts will miss the lightweight and nimble M-14  It sounds like a great DMR and light machine gun cartridge. But looking at the fighting in Ukraine it would seem to be horrible for regular troops there. Gen Milley, no kidding the troops were “over matched “ by PKM 7.62x54 machine guns!! What a damn surprise. How about just fielding more M240s rather than burdening every single soldier with big ass gun and ammo? I’m a bit surpised to not see more vids of 40mm grenades being used by individual troops. I saw maybe two so far and those compact launchers look great. Seems those would be great for trenches and dugouts. As an M-60 gunner in the pre-SAW era, I approve this message. Would have killed the Army to improve the Mk-48 and just issue it to the Squad-level? Since the Army has to issue linked/belted 5.56 in addition to regular 5.56 in boxes/bandoleers, would it kill them to send belted 7.62 instead of belted 5.56? The DMR is already using 7.62, so it is not like they'd be introducing another size of round to squads. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:07:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://wavellroom.com/2023/05/01/1500-new-and-modernised-tanks-really/?utm_content=buffer93912&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer So Medvedev is once again shown to be a “dog face pony soldier liar?” It would be tough to judge whether he or Biden is the biggest and most habitual liar. Pure fantasy Russia even produces 100 tanks this year let alone 1,500. They don’t even have enough drivers for the ancient T55s! |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:08:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brahm: non transportable. well if he is going to die from poisoning or natural causes. dying in moscow is the best place. putin is obviously going to try and replace him with a more controllable puppet. however if luakashenko were to dies in moscow. it may just throw belarus into a more rebellious state. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brahm: Originally Posted By sq40: Luakashenko in critical condition. https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-poisoning-belarus-dictator-luakashenko-083900039.html non transportable. well if he is going to die from poisoning or natural causes. dying in moscow is the best place. putin is obviously going to try and replace him with a more controllable puppet. however if luakashenko were to dies in moscow. it may just throw belarus into a more rebellious state. Might be the last time a CSTO leader goes to Moscow! Run away!!!! |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:11:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Sounds like they're trying to get creative looking for any advantage they can find in the last few days. Well, at least "creative" for Russia. lol. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:13:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Hunter complained about having to hand over "HALF" of his salary to dad in one e-mail. I'm sure the actual "commission" varies with the deal...10% to maybe 50% or maybe even more. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: In other emails though he complains that he always has to give his dad 10%. So whether it is Burisma or China same same. Although in China any corporation IS essentially a govt operation so in that case it would be fair to say Biden got 20% of Hunter’s take from China. But in Ukraine Burisma was not part of the govt of Ukraine and was in fact being investigated for corruption. Hunter complained about having to hand over "HALF" of his salary to dad in one e-mail. I'm sure the actual "commission" varies with the deal...10% to maybe 50% or maybe even more. Wow! That is insane. What pieces of shits. 💩💩💩💩💩 |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:14:15 PM EDT
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Not sure I believe THIS
✅ The people of Kiev complained about the vibration, which they took for an earthquake. On the air of the telethon, Vitali Klitschko was asked if he knew what she was connected with. “This weapon is going to the front, new, powerful. There may be a vibration associated with this,” the mayor replied 🧐 https://t.me/ragnarockkyiv/51605
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:14:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: As an M-60 gunner in the pre-SAW era, I approve this message. Would have killed the Army to improve the Mk-48 and just issue it to the Squad-level? Since the Army has to issue linked/belted 5.56 in addition to regular 5.56 in boxes/bandoleers, would it kill them to send belted 7.62 instead of belted 5.56? The DMR is already using 7.62, so it is not like they'd be introducing another size of round to squads. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: After exhaustive analysis and debate the Taliban decided their AKs and PKM machineguns were over-matched by 14.5” M4s and have decided to upgrade their entire army with the superior firepower and accuracy of the M4. One Taliban warlord is quoted as saying “That PKM is a heavy bitch! Who needs a full size cartridge these days? Our soldiers will soon be able to carry 50% more ammunition and hit targets beyond 50 meters with precision fire. The full size 7.62 cartridge is dead end for the infantry. “ That might have happened 😂 10:10 In the future, US Infantry will be clearing trenches using 15lb battle rifles with 20 round mags holding .270WSSM... I have a feeling that, by the time this thing comes to fruition (with all of the "improvements"), a lot of grunts will miss the lightweight and nimble M-14 It sounds like a great DMR and light machine gun cartridge. But looking at the fighting in Ukraine it would seem to be horrible for regular troops there. Gen Milley, no kidding the troops were “over matched “ by PKM 7.62x54 machine guns!! What a damn surprise. How about just fielding more M240s rather than burdening every single soldier with big ass gun and ammo? I’m a bit surpised to not see more vids of 40mm grenades being used by individual troops. I saw maybe two so far and those compact launchers look great. Seems those would be great for trenches and dugouts. As an M-60 gunner in the pre-SAW era, I approve this message. Would have killed the Army to improve the Mk-48 and just issue it to the Squad-level? Since the Army has to issue linked/belted 5.56 in addition to regular 5.56 in boxes/bandoleers, would it kill them to send belted 7.62 instead of belted 5.56? The DMR is already using 7.62, so it is not like they'd be introducing another size of round to squads. The obvious response to the "overmatch" issue Milley et al were complaining about is more HE weapons, more drones, better suppressive fire training, better marksmanship training, and better optics. Having Polymer 6.8 wouldn't have made a damn difference when the Taliban were engaging US troops from across the valley with PKMs and RPGs, because the fundamental issue there was being able to locate the enemy and return accurate fire. Missing by a football field with Polymer 6.8 instead 5.56 or 7.62 wouldn't have solved the problem. What would've solved the problem is actually being able to locate the Taliban's position and return effective fire. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:14:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:15:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Not sure I believe THIS ✅ The people of Kiev complained about the vibration, which they took for an earthquake. On the air of the telethon, Vitali Klitschko was asked if he knew what she was connected with. “This weapon is going to the front, new, powerful. There may be a vibration associated with this,” the mayor replied 🧐 https://t.me/ragnarockkyiv/51605
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxOTElvXsAI7Lxq?format=jpg&name=900x900 lol, he was laughing when he said that. 
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:17:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The obvious response to the "overmatch" issue Milley et al were complaining about is more HE weapons, more drones, better suppressive fire training, better marksmanship training, and better optics. Having Polymer 6.8 wouldn't have made a damn difference when the Taliban were engaging US troops from across the valley with PKMs and RPGs, because the fundamental issue there was being able to locate the enemy and return accurate fire. Missing by a football field with Polymer 6.8 instead 5.56 or 7.62 wouldn't have solved the problem. What would've solved the problem is actually being able to locate the Taliban's position and return effective fire. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: After exhaustive analysis and debate the Taliban decided their AKs and PKM machineguns were over-matched by 14.5” M4s and have decided to upgrade their entire army with the superior firepower and accuracy of the M4. One Taliban warlord is quoted as saying “That PKM is a heavy bitch! Who needs a full size cartridge these days? Our soldiers will soon be able to carry 50% more ammunition and hit targets beyond 50 meters with precision fire. The full size 7.62 cartridge is dead end for the infantry. “ That might have happened 😂 10:10 In the future, US Infantry will be clearing trenches using 15lb battle rifles with 20 round mags holding .270WSSM... I have a feeling that, by the time this thing comes to fruition (with all of the "improvements"), a lot of grunts will miss the lightweight and nimble M-14 It sounds like a great DMR and light machine gun cartridge. But looking at the fighting in Ukraine it would seem to be horrible for regular troops there. Gen Milley, no kidding the troops were “over matched “ by PKM 7.62x54 machine guns!! What a damn surprise. How about just fielding more M240s rather than burdening every single soldier with big ass gun and ammo? I’m a bit surpised to not see more vids of 40mm grenades being used by individual troops. I saw maybe two so far and those compact launchers look great. Seems those would be great for trenches and dugouts. As an M-60 gunner in the pre-SAW era, I approve this message. Would have killed the Army to improve the Mk-48 and just issue it to the Squad-level? Since the Army has to issue linked/belted 5.56 in addition to regular 5.56 in boxes/bandoleers, would it kill them to send belted 7.62 instead of belted 5.56? The DMR is already using 7.62, so it is not like they'd be introducing another size of round to squads. The obvious response to the "overmatch" issue Milley et al were complaining about is more HE weapons, more drones, better suppressive fire training, better marksmanship training, and better optics. Having Polymer 6.8 wouldn't have made a damn difference when the Taliban were engaging US troops from across the valley with PKMs and RPGs, because the fundamental issue there was being able to locate the enemy and return accurate fire. Missing by a football field with Polymer 6.8 instead 5.56 or 7.62 wouldn't have solved the problem. What would've solved the problem is actually being able to locate the Taliban's position and return effective fire. That is why I would propose thermal sights for all rifles, they would not have to be fancy 6.8. And grenade launchers with ballistic computers out to 1km, with thermal sights.
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:17:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: By that metric, half of the Russian army are "volunteers"... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By NEXT23: Volunteers- are they volunteers as in not getting paid? By that metric, half of the Russian army are "volunteers"...  It saves a ton of money to let the mobiks get killed in assaults before their first paycheck! |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:19:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:20:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:23:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: That is why I would propose thermal sights for all rifles, they would not have to be fancy 6.8. And grenade launchers with ballistic computers out to 1km, with thermal sights. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: After exhaustive analysis and debate the Taliban decided their AKs and PKM machineguns were over-matched by 14.5” M4s and have decided to upgrade their entire army with the superior firepower and accuracy of the M4. One Taliban warlord is quoted as saying “That PKM is a heavy bitch! Who needs a full size cartridge these days? Our soldiers will soon be able to carry 50% more ammunition and hit targets beyond 50 meters with precision fire. The full size 7.62 cartridge is dead end for the infantry. “ That might have happened 😂 10:10 In the future, US Infantry will be clearing trenches using 15lb battle rifles with 20 round mags holding .270WSSM... I have a feeling that, by the time this thing comes to fruition (with all of the "improvements"), a lot of grunts will miss the lightweight and nimble M-14 It sounds like a great DMR and light machine gun cartridge. But looking at the fighting in Ukraine it would seem to be horrible for regular troops there. Gen Milley, no kidding the troops were “over matched “ by PKM 7.62x54 machine guns!! What a damn surprise. How about just fielding more M240s rather than burdening every single soldier with big ass gun and ammo? I’m a bit surpised to not see more vids of 40mm grenades being used by individual troops. I saw maybe two so far and those compact launchers look great. Seems those would be great for trenches and dugouts. As an M-60 gunner in the pre-SAW era, I approve this message. Would have killed the Army to improve the Mk-48 and just issue it to the Squad-level? Since the Army has to issue linked/belted 5.56 in addition to regular 5.56 in boxes/bandoleers, would it kill them to send belted 7.62 instead of belted 5.56? The DMR is already using 7.62, so it is not like they'd be introducing another size of round to squads. The obvious response to the "overmatch" issue Milley et al were complaining about is more HE weapons, more drones, better suppressive fire training, better marksmanship training, and better optics. Having Polymer 6.8 wouldn't have made a damn difference when the Taliban were engaging US troops from across the valley with PKMs and RPGs, because the fundamental issue there was being able to locate the enemy and return accurate fire. Missing by a football field with Polymer 6.8 instead 5.56 or 7.62 wouldn't have solved the problem. What would've solved the problem is actually being able to locate the Taliban's position and return effective fire. That is why I would propose thermal sights for all rifles, they would not have to be fancy 6.8. And grenade launchers with ballistic computers out to 1km, with thermal sights.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:23:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Beat!  Andrew Perpetua (@AndrewPerpetua) May 29, 2023 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxQfX-nXsAIf4Hc?format=png&name=small lol, well it is very interesting news. So from reports, not really fake missiles from countermeasures, but missiles and drones using more way points and loitering before changing direction. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:25:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Do they not realize that even if they eventually get a missile through the world outside of Russia will see that it took hundreds of launches to make it happen. To paraphrase "it is far better to be thought to have a shitty missile product than to launch hundreds and remove any doubts". |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:29:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: Seems to me the Orcs are hell bent to prove they can defeat Patriot, and seem absolutely willing to blow their load trying. Do they not realize that even if they eventually get a missile through the world outside of Russia will see that it took hundreds of launches to make it happen. To paraphrase "it is far better to be thought to have a shitty missile product than to launch hundreds and remove any doubts". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Do they not realize that even if they eventually get a missile through the world outside of Russia will see that it took hundreds of launches to make it happen. To paraphrase "it is far better to be thought to have a shitty missile product than to launch hundreds and remove any doubts". I figured the Patriot would be too much of a tantalizing target for Russia to pass up on. But it will be extremely expensive for them if they keep sending rather limited 3 million dollar cruise missiles and 10 million dollar Iksandr and Khinzals.
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:32:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I figured the Patriot would be too much of a tantalizing target for Russia to pass up on. But it will be extremely expensive for them if they keep sending rather limited 3 million dollar cruise missiles and 10 million dollar Iksandr and Khinzals. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Do they not realize that even if they eventually get a missile through the world outside of Russia will see that it took hundreds of launches to make it happen. To paraphrase "it is far better to be thought to have a shitty missile product than to launch hundreds and remove any doubts". I figured the Patriot would be too much of a tantalizing target for Russia to pass up on. But it will be extremely expensive for them if they keep sending rather limited 3 million dollar cruise missiles and 10 million dollar Iksandr and Khinzals. My concern is that they may have gotten domestic production of the Shaheeds up and running. If we see a couple more attacks like last night, I'd be reasonably sure of that. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:34:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: The obvious response to the "overmatch" issue Milley et al were complaining about is more HE weapons, more drones, better suppressive fire training, better marksmanship training, and better optics. Having Polymer 6.8 wouldn't have made a damn difference when the Taliban were engaging US troops from across the valley with PKMs and RPGs, because the fundamental issue there was being able to locate the enemy and return accurate fire. Missing by a football field with Polymer 6.8 instead 5.56 or 7.62 wouldn't have solved the problem. What would've solved the problem is actually being able to locate the Taliban's position and return effective fire. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: After exhaustive analysis and debate the Taliban decided their AKs and PKM machineguns were over-matched by 14.5” M4s and have decided to upgrade their entire army with the superior firepower and accuracy of the M4. One Taliban warlord is quoted as saying “That PKM is a heavy bitch! Who needs a full size cartridge these days? Our soldiers will soon be able to carry 50% more ammunition and hit targets beyond 50 meters with precision fire. The full size 7.62 cartridge is dead end for the infantry. “ That might have happened 😂 10:10 In the future, US Infantry will be clearing trenches using 15lb battle rifles with 20 round mags holding .270WSSM... I have a feeling that, by the time this thing comes to fruition (with all of the "improvements"), a lot of grunts will miss the lightweight and nimble M-14 It sounds like a great DMR and light machine gun cartridge. But looking at the fighting in Ukraine it would seem to be horrible for regular troops there. Gen Milley, no kidding the troops were “over matched “ by PKM 7.62x54 machine guns!! What a damn surprise. How about just fielding more M240s rather than burdening every single soldier with big ass gun and ammo? I’m a bit surpised to not see more vids of 40mm grenades being used by individual troops. I saw maybe two so far and those compact launchers look great. Seems those would be great for trenches and dugouts. As an M-60 gunner in the pre-SAW era, I approve this message. Would have killed the Army to improve the Mk-48 and just issue it to the Squad-level? Since the Army has to issue linked/belted 5.56 in addition to regular 5.56 in boxes/bandoleers, would it kill them to send belted 7.62 instead of belted 5.56? The DMR is already using 7.62, so it is not like they'd be introducing another size of round to squads. The obvious response to the "overmatch" issue Milley et al were complaining about is more HE weapons, more drones, better suppressive fire training, better marksmanship training, and better optics. Having Polymer 6.8 wouldn't have made a damn difference when the Taliban were engaging US troops from across the valley with PKMs and RPGs, because the fundamental issue there was being able to locate the enemy and return accurate fire. Missing by a football field with Polymer 6.8 instead 5.56 or 7.62 wouldn't have solved the problem. What would've solved the problem is actually being able to locate the Taliban's position and return effective fire. Sounds like we are “fighting the last war” with this rifle. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:34:45 PM EDT
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Lots of various missile debris reports in many areas indicating they were intercepted.
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Sounds like we are “fighting the last war” with this rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: After exhaustive analysis and debate the Taliban decided their AKs and PKM machineguns were over-matched by 14.5” M4s and have decided to upgrade their entire army with the superior firepower and accuracy of the M4. One Taliban warlord is quoted as saying “That PKM is a heavy bitch! Who needs a full size cartridge these days? Our soldiers will soon be able to carry 50% more ammunition and hit targets beyond 50 meters with precision fire. The full size 7.62 cartridge is dead end for the infantry. “ That might have happened 😂 10:10 In the future, US Infantry will be clearing trenches using 15lb battle rifles with 20 round mags holding .270WSSM... I have a feeling that, by the time this thing comes to fruition (with all of the "improvements"), a lot of grunts will miss the lightweight and nimble M-14 It sounds like a great DMR and light machine gun cartridge. But looking at the fighting in Ukraine it would seem to be horrible for regular troops there. Gen Milley, no kidding the troops were “over matched “ by PKM 7.62x54 machine guns!! What a damn surprise. How about just fielding more M240s rather than burdening every single soldier with big ass gun and ammo? I’m a bit surpised to not see more vids of 40mm grenades being used by individual troops. I saw maybe two so far and those compact launchers look great. Seems those would be great for trenches and dugouts. As an M-60 gunner in the pre-SAW era, I approve this message. Would have killed the Army to improve the Mk-48 and just issue it to the Squad-level? Since the Army has to issue linked/belted 5.56 in addition to regular 5.56 in boxes/bandoleers, would it kill them to send belted 7.62 instead of belted 5.56? The DMR is already using 7.62, so it is not like they'd be introducing another size of round to squads. The obvious response to the "overmatch" issue Milley et al were complaining about is more HE weapons, more drones, better suppressive fire training, better marksmanship training, and better optics. Having Polymer 6.8 wouldn't have made a damn difference when the Taliban were engaging US troops from across the valley with PKMs and RPGs, because the fundamental issue there was being able to locate the enemy and return accurate fire. Missing by a football field with Polymer 6.8 instead 5.56 or 7.62 wouldn't have solved the problem. What would've solved the problem is actually being able to locate the Taliban's position and return effective fire. Sounds like we are “fighting the last war” with this rifle. And not even doing a good job at it... |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:35:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: iggy1337]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxQOBf7XsAALfOr?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 What ever the damage the T-80 centainly shit itself
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:35:53 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: My concern is that they may have gotten domestic production of the Shaheeds up and running. If we see a couple more attacks like last night, I'd be reasonably sure of that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Do they not realize that even if they eventually get a missile through the world outside of Russia will see that it took hundreds of launches to make it happen. To paraphrase "it is far better to be thought to have a shitty missile product than to launch hundreds and remove any doubts". I figured the Patriot would be too much of a tantalizing target for Russia to pass up on. But it will be extremely expensive for them if they keep sending rather limited 3 million dollar cruise missiles and 10 million dollar Iksandr and Khinzals. My concern is that they may have gotten domestic production of the Shaheeds up and running. If we see a couple more attacks like last night, I'd be reasonably sure of that. I don't think that factory is going to even be ready until later this Summer. The recent Iranian IL-76 flight a few days ago seems to be what might have delivered this new batch. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:36:43 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Lots of various missile debris reports in many areas indicating they were intercepted. https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1662995462410973186  
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:37:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: THOT_Vaccine]
[#35]
I'm kinda disappointed at how much ADA video leaked tonight.
If you're wondering if there's maybe some piece of hardware they don't have.... They've got it. Wonder no more. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:37:37 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, well it is very interesting news. So from reports, not really fake missiles from countermeasures, but missiles and drones using more way points and loitering before changing direction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Beat! Andrew Perpetua (@AndrewPerpetua) May 29, 2023 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxQfX-nXsAIf4Hc?format=png&name=small lol, well it is very interesting news. So from reports, not really fake missiles from countermeasures, but missiles and drones using more way points and loitering before changing direction. The report yesterday about the Shitheads also said they were trying new things with approaching from different directions and better using terrain and riverbeds. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:39:53 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I don't think that factory is going to even be ready until later this Summer. The recent Iranian IL-76 flight a few days ago seems to be what might have delivered this new batch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Do they not realize that even if they eventually get a missile through the world outside of Russia will see that it took hundreds of launches to make it happen. To paraphrase "it is far better to be thought to have a shitty missile product than to launch hundreds and remove any doubts". I figured the Patriot would be too much of a tantalizing target for Russia to pass up on. But it will be extremely expensive for them if they keep sending rather limited 3 million dollar cruise missiles and 10 million dollar Iksandr and Khinzals. My concern is that they may have gotten domestic production of the Shaheeds up and running. If we see a couple more attacks like last night, I'd be reasonably sure of that. I don't think that factory is going to even be ready until later this Summer. The recent Iranian IL-76 flight a few days ago seems to be what might have delivered this new batch. That makes sense. Still, it's an issue that needs to be taken into consideration. If/when they get that factory up and running, that's going to further strain Ukrainian air defense. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:43:03 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: That makes sense. Still, it's an issue that needs to be taken into consideration. If/when they get that factory up and running, that's going to further strain Ukrainian air defense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Do they not realize that even if they eventually get a missile through the world outside of Russia will see that it took hundreds of launches to make it happen. To paraphrase "it is far better to be thought to have a shitty missile product than to launch hundreds and remove any doubts". I figured the Patriot would be too much of a tantalizing target for Russia to pass up on. But it will be extremely expensive for them if they keep sending rather limited 3 million dollar cruise missiles and 10 million dollar Iksandr and Khinzals. My concern is that they may have gotten domestic production of the Shaheeds up and running. If we see a couple more attacks like last night, I'd be reasonably sure of that. I don't think that factory is going to even be ready until later this Summer. The recent Iranian IL-76 flight a few days ago seems to be what might have delivered this new batch. That makes sense. Still, it's an issue that needs to be taken into consideration. If/when they get that factory up and running, that's going to further strain Ukrainian air defense. We will have to see where Ukraine is by that time, they might be in a better position at defending against them, or perhaps striking the factory with their long range drones. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:44:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I figured the Patriot would be too much of a tantalizing target for Russia to pass up on. But it will be extremely expensive for them if they keep sending rather limited 3 million dollar cruise missiles and 10 million dollar Iksandr and Khinzals. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Do they not realize that even if they eventually get a missile through the world outside of Russia will see that it took hundreds of launches to make it happen. To paraphrase "it is far better to be thought to have a shitty missile product than to launch hundreds and remove any doubts". I figured the Patriot would be too much of a tantalizing target for Russia to pass up on. But it will be extremely expensive for them if they keep sending rather limited 3 million dollar cruise missiles and 10 million dollar Iksandr and Khinzals. From here on out I would expect every larger AA complex to be outfitted with some sort of C-ram installation |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:46:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:46:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: That makes sense. Still, it's an issue that needs to be taken into consideration. If/when they get that factory up and running, that's going to further strain Ukrainian air defense.  |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:47:47 PM EDT
[#42]
Is hitting missiles/drones using these new tactics a Patriot limitation test or a training test?
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:51:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: Is hitting missiles/drones using these new tactics a Patriot limitation test or a training test? Probably both, since it is the systems first time actually engaging full Russian hardware along with the Iranian drones. Now if you can add other sensors and systems, it gets even more efficient.
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:51:14 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: Is hitting missiles/drones using these new tactics a Patriot limitation test or a training test? Unlikely they are shooting Patriots at these things. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:53:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Not sure I believe THIS ✅ The people of Kiev complained about the vibration, which they took for an earthquake. On the air of the telethon, Vitali Klitschko was asked if he knew what she was connected with. “This weapon is going to the front, new, powerful. There may be a vibration associated with this,” the mayor replied 🧐 https://t.me/ragnarockkyiv/51605
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxOTElvXsAI7Lxq?format=jpg&name=900x900 Your right, I don't believe it. With the range on that thing, it won't be close enough to the front to need ERA.
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:53:52 PM EDT
[#46]
Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Probably both, since it is the systems first time actually engaging full Russian hardware along with the Iranian drones. Got it Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Unlikely they are shooting Patriots at these things. Makes sense, but if they're aiming for patriot wouldn't it be best system for protecting itself? |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:55:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:57:39 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, he was laughing when he said that. 
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:57:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: Got it Makes sense, but if they're aiming for patriot wouldn't it be best system for protecting itself? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AgeOne: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Probably both, since it is the systems first time actually engaging full Russian hardware along with the Iranian drones. Got it Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Unlikely they are shooting Patriots at these things. Makes sense, but if they're aiming for patriot wouldn't it be best system for protecting itself? Actually, no. You would leave that to the short range air defense system close by. If you absolutely had to, you could use a Patriot, but that is expensive. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 9:58:19 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, he was laughing when he said that. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/IMG_3107-2832689.jpg
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