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Posted: 6/11/2023 11:57:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fltot: Unfortunately that’s only 2-3 miles of advancement so far, At least there’s some movement. I was hoping for a quick breakthrough and collapse of the Russian defense, it looks like they are willing to fight. Remember — the Russian lines typically have 2 to 3 ‘belts’ of defenses. It’s not just one line So the going will be slower at first — but once all the layers are breached and penetrated — its full speed ahead with the follow on penetration units |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 11:58:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyWz55FXsAAeEGp?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:00:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: Remember the Russian lines typically have 2 to 3 'belts' of defenses. It's not just one line So the going will be slower at first but once all the layers are breached and penetrated its full speed ahead with the follow on penetration units |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:10:44 PM EST
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I'm waiting for an air assault soon behind the lines somewhere..Ukraine has 100 helo's and have been training. To do so.
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:12:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: This why I was asking for up stream picture the other day. Its very difficult to find old historic pictures of the area when you cannot read the language. If we can find the pre dam pictures it may give us a good idea of what the ground is. As far as drying the answer is it depends. What commonly happens from what I have experienced from droughts and lakes it the top of the silt gets dry and forms a crust. Once you break through that crust its deep nasty mud. I almost got myself in big trouble because of this. Only a little alarm bell in my head telling me to be careful saved me from an off-road wrecker bill. My tank (pond for non Texans) dried up last July and sometime around the end of September I went in backwards with the box blade on my tractor to scrape some silty black soil out and broke through the crust that was only about six inches thick after two months. If I had pulled in there forwards with the bucket I would have buried it. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:15:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyWz55FXsAAeEGp?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
If this keeps up, what will the Russia Bros and Russian Propagandists post about in GD? Bio labs? Sharks? How mean words like “Orcs” hurt their feelz? |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:15:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyWz55FXsAAeEGp?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
If this keeps up, what will the Russia Bros and Russian Propagandists post about in GD? Bio labs? Sharks? How mean words like “Orcs” hurt their feelz? |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:18:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: This why I was asking for up stream picture the other day. Its very difficult to find old historic pictures of the area when you cannot read the language. If we can find the pre dam pictures it may give us a good idea of what the ground is. As far as drying the answer is it depends. What commonly happens from what I have experienced from droughts and lakes it the top of the silt gets dry and forms a crust. Once you break through that crust its deep nasty mud. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyVfXSIWwAAS77Z?format=jpg&name=small I'm hearing some of this area is sandy bottom. Is it possible to just pile stone on top and drive across this once it dries out a bit? Could the Ukrainians cross this at some point without much trouble if there is no mud? Will sandy soil dry out fast? This is an area I am not familiar with. As far as drying the answer is it depends. What commonly happens from what I have experienced from droughts and lakes it the top of the silt gets dry and forms a crust. Once you break through that crust its deep nasty mud. One thing to look for is any improved/paved roads or railroad beds that were submersed when the reservoir was filled. Oftentimes, these can still be somewhat trafficable even after a century or so submersed. Sometimes, there are even bridge abutments or even entire bridges remaining. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:22:52 PM EST
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:25:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fund_GARISSON: sorry, dont understand У нього є експерт з безпілотниками. Він хоче зв’язатися з експертом, який допоможе вам. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:26:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By centex_SR-15: I almost got myself in big trouble because of this. Only a little alarm bell in my head telling me to be careful saved me from an off-road wrecker bill. My tank (pond for non Texans) dried up last July and sometime around the end of September I went in backwards with the box blade on my tractor to scrape some silty black soil out and broke through the crust that was only about six inches thick after two months. If I had pulled in there forwards with the bucket I would have buried it. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:28:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Russian Thor missile system misfire. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:29:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: It sounds like an attempted propaganda stunt by Russia. Trying to find a few UA POW's that have the most negative feelings about being conscripted and sent to fight and are willing to badmouth the UA. Basically like the filthy NVA always desperately trying to get shot-down US pilots to confess to fake crimes and disparage the US war efforts. It's old fascist-commie bullshit. I'm not sure about Hungary's eagerness to participate in the scheme. Maybe they think they are playing the middle again? Russia certainly chose Hungary to further put a wedge between them and NATO. I really REALLY wish Hungary would quit this middle road bullshit since EVERYONE hates them as a result. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: All the dirty details on the prisoner exchange. They are not allowed yet to return to Ukraine. Must criticize Ukraine and. Praise the ROC at a press conference. No timeline or info about if or when they will be released. Releasing to a third party without consent of their home country is supposed to be against international law on prisoners. https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/06/10/press-conference-by-ukrainian-pows-in-hungary-to-denounce-ukraine-praise-russian-orthodox-church/ It sounds like an attempted propaganda stunt by Russia. Trying to find a few UA POW's that have the most negative feelings about being conscripted and sent to fight and are willing to badmouth the UA. Basically like the filthy NVA always desperately trying to get shot-down US pilots to confess to fake crimes and disparage the US war efforts. It's old fascist-commie bullshit. I'm not sure about Hungary's eagerness to participate in the scheme. Maybe they think they are playing the middle again? Russia certainly chose Hungary to further put a wedge between them and NATO. I really REALLY wish Hungary would quit this middle road bullshit since EVERYONE hates them as a result. At some point, Orban has to realize that often the only thing in the "middle of the road" is yellow stripes and roadkill. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:36:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: But I thought Ukraine was defeated after Bahkmut. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyWwNCpXgAEaMym?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyWv_kfX0Aw7oxR?format=jpg&name=medium
Don't tell spaghetti. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:36:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: Remember — the Russian lines typically have 2 to 3 ‘belts’ of defenses. It’s not just one line So the going will be slower at first — but once all the layers are breached and penetrated — its full speed ahead with the follow on penetration units Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFP_4073: Originally Posted By Fltot: Unfortunately that’s only 2-3 miles of advancement so far, At least there’s some movement. I was hoping for a quick breakthrough and collapse of the Russian defense, it looks like they are willing to fight. Remember — the Russian lines typically have 2 to 3 ‘belts’ of defenses. It’s not just one line So the going will be slower at first — but once all the layers are breached and penetrated — its full speed ahead with the follow on penetration units Imagine the war crime level of land mines Russia has been able to lay in 12 months. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:37:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: All the dirty details on the prisoner exchange. They are not allowed yet to return to Ukraine. Must criticize Ukraine and. Praise the ROC at a press conference. No timeline or info about if or when they will be released. Releasing to a third party without consent of their home country is supposed to be against international law on prisoners. https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/06/10/press-conference-by-ukrainian-pows-in-hungary-to-denounce-ukraine-praise-russian-orthodox-church/ Thanks for the new article. Oh, Hungary...  The whole thing is a scam to break European unity, and Hungary is too willing to play along. What diplomacy doing? I stand by my previous statement: the west needs to prevent Russia from gaining an ally in the EU. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:37:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UKjohn: Respect Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UKjohn: Originally Posted By sq40: "Give me a leg and put me back in the fight." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_5601_jpeg-2847710.JPG |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:40:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Came to post this, seems to be confirmed. A munity added to the whole shitshow is a real cherry on top. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Originally Posted By Prime:
Reuters article link:
Came to post this, seems to be confirmed. A munity added to the whole shitshow is a real cherry on top. Somebody needs to liberate Moscow. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:40:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Imagine the war crime level of land mines Russia has been able to lay in 12 months. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Originally Posted By MFP_4073: Originally Posted By Fltot: Unfortunately that’s only 2-3 miles of advancement so far, At least there’s some movement. I was hoping for a quick breakthrough and collapse of the Russian defense, it looks like they are willing to fight. Remember — the Russian lines typically have 2 to 3 ‘belts’ of defenses. It’s not just one line So the going will be slower at first — but once all the layers are breached and penetrated — its full speed ahead with the follow on penetration units Imagine the war crime level of land mines Russia has been able to lay in 12 months. Yep. Russia doesn’t care if 50yrs of Ukrainian toddlers step on them either. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:40:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By toaster: Don't tell spaghetti. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:43:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: So everyone knows and understands it's unwise to burn expensive missiles on cheap drones and are quickly coming up with solutions to mitigate that problem. How 'bout that...  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyUr3ROXsAkPlUp?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhbfCb6XoAAf54E?format=jpg&name=large So everyone knows and understands it's unwise to burn expensive missiles on cheap drones and are quickly coming up with solutions to mitigate that problem. How 'bout that... But, but, my cheap strategic strike capability! 
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:49:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:The drone threat from China I think is going to be huge. Especially for Taiwan; imagine how many Shaheed + Lancet + Switchblade style drones China could produce (thousands upon thousands) vs Taiwans ability to intercept them with a much more finite supply of missiles and autocannons. That was China's strategy for years - build enough missiles that no defense is sufficient. It doesn't matter if you successfully intercept 2500 missiles if 500 more get through, and now your missile defense is depleted. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:52:15 PM EST
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:52:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fltot: Unfortunately that’s only 2-3 miles of advancement so far, At least there’s some movement. I was hoping for a quick breakthrough and collapse of the Russian defense, it looks like they are willing to fight. Hopefully Russian strength declines the further beyond the front lines they go. And - hopefully the Ukraine troops don't go too fast and get cut off from their supply/support. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:54:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: New Russian Media Monitor. Margarita Simonyan talking about how Russia must prevail over 50 of the mightiest nations in this fight, so that good can triumph over evil. God forbid that lies defeat the truth, which is what would happen if Ukraine won.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cXvYk9ej4gSaid without a shred of irony. I really don't comprehend their worldview. Ukraine never had a right to be a sovereign independent nation? Really? WTF do they think the United States is? Former colonies that declared independence and throw off their colonial rulers! Ukraine doesn't want you! You signed treaties, you are part of the UN, so your entire invasion is bullshit! Ruskie go home!  She looked a bit more subdued there than normal. I wonder if for a couple of seconds the thought occurred to her that she is actually the servant of satan and that her lies are leading tens of thousands of men to their deaths? |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:58:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: But I thought Ukraine was defeated after Bahkmut. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyWwNCpXgAEaMym?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyWv_kfX0Aw7oxR?format=jpg&name=medium
lol, I know, I thought we were supposed to wonder where we go from there. 
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:59:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, I know, I thought we were supposed to wonder where we go from there. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:59:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: I'm open to the idea that this isn't complete fiction, but that looks like a gunnery exercise. One boat off on the horizon? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I'm open to the idea that this isn't complete fiction, but that looks like a gunnery exercise. One boat off on the horizon? Was it even moving? I didn’t see a wake or bow curl. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:00:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fltot: Unfortunately that’s only 2-3 miles of advancement so far, At least there’s some movement. I was hoping for a quick breakthrough and collapse of the Russian defense, it looks like they are willing to fight. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fltot: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyWwNCpXgAEaMym?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyWv_kfX0Aw7oxR?format=jpg&name=medium
Unfortunately that’s only 2-3 miles of advancement so far, At least there’s some movement. I was hoping for a quick breakthrough and collapse of the Russian defense, it looks like they are willing to fight. That will happen, it's just that even the Ukrainian military says it could be a few weeks for your scenario as they probe and bait the Russian forces. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:03:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: She looked a bit more subdued there than normal. I wonder if for a couple of seconds the thought occurred to her that she is actually the servant of satan and that her lies are leading tens of thousands of men to their deaths? If someone ever deserved to end up whoring on onlyfans with a big leafy carrot up her butt it is her.... |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:09:47 PM EST
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  30 min ago. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:12:25 PM EST
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11 min ago.
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:12:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Oh-oh! Did Prigozhin go too far with his criticism? Putin flexing…
Ah dang, beat! Hmm, kind of interesting. Wagner was so useful to Russia (outside of Ukraine) because it was a semi-deniable instrument of direct action in Africa and the ME. If they federalize Wagner they’re basically removing that from their playbook, which is surprising. On the other hand, they are equally saying “Russian troops (Wagner) now own large swathes of Africa, and western (i.e. French) action against them means war with Russia. Will have to see where this goes. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:12:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: It sounds like an attempted propaganda stunt by Russia. Trying to find a few UA POW's that have the most negative feelings about being conscripted and sent to fight and are willing to badmouth the UA. Basically like the filthy NVA always desperately trying to get shot-down US pilots to confess to fake crimes and disparage the US war efforts. It's old fascist-commie bullshit. I'm not sure about Hungary's eagerness to participate in the scheme. Maybe they think they are playing the middle again? Russia certainly chose Hungary to further put a wedge between them and NATO. I really REALLY wish Hungary would quit this middle road bullshit since EVERYONE hates them as a result. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By RockNwood: All the dirty details on the prisoner exchange. They are not allowed yet to return to Ukraine. Must criticize Ukraine and. Praise the ROC at a press conference. No timeline or info about if or when they will be released. Releasing to a third party without consent of their home country is supposed to be against international law on prisoners. https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/06/10/press-conference-by-ukrainian-pows-in-hungary-to-denounce-ukraine-praise-russian-orthodox-church/ It sounds like an attempted propaganda stunt by Russia. Trying to find a few UA POW's that have the most negative feelings about being conscripted and sent to fight and are willing to badmouth the UA. Basically like the filthy NVA always desperately trying to get shot-down US pilots to confess to fake crimes and disparage the US war efforts. It's old fascist-commie bullshit. I'm not sure about Hungary's eagerness to participate in the scheme. Maybe they think they are playing the middle again? Russia certainly chose Hungary to further put a wedge between them and NATO. I really REALLY wish Hungary would quit this middle road bullshit since EVERYONE hates them as a result. Exactly. As someone posted much earlier, in an existential fight (big attacking smaller) not helping is taking a side. There is no middle. “Middle ground” is an excuse to allow the larger aggressor to keep attacking. If one wanted to be true middle ground they would use force to get combatants back to original start lines and secure that position. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:16:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyW-70fWcAMlGcd?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyW-60zXgAETvbD?format=jpg&name=small 30 min ago. Insert "Hell yeah Brother" image here.... CMOS |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:16:41 PM EST
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From an internal warning to Russian artillery crews that new ammo is risky.
This is what happens when you force labor to a mandatory 6 day work week and "volunteer" time. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:16:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyW-70fWcAMlGcd?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyW-60zXgAETvbD?format=jpg&name=small 30 min ago. “We are inflicting 10-1 casualties on the Ukrainians (as we flee).”  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:17:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: At some point, Orban has to realize that often the only thing in the "middle of the road" is yellow stripes and roadkill. Yup. I've had heated arguments with my dad over this. I was practically screaming "so why did we (Hungarians) join NATO if we were so sympathetic to the Soviets/Russians all this time"? |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:23:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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As posted earlier, but visually, the rail lines hit earlier.
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:27:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: As posted earlier, but visually, the rail lines hit earlier.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyWmFmQWwAAW6mP?format=jpg&name=900x900  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:27:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Hmm, kind of interesting. Wagner was so useful to Russia (outside of Ukraine) because it was a semi-deniable instrument of direct action in Africa and the ME. If they federalize Wagner they’re basically removing that from their playbook, which is surprising. On the other hand, they are equally saying “Russian troops (Wagner) now own large swathes of Africa, and western (i.e. French) action against them means war with Russia. Will have to see where this goes. Is it more of a threat to the guy that runs it? whatever his name is. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:27:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: I don't think Olga Scabby Beaver is calling for 2-3 million Chinese troops to come help them fight Ukraine. She is lamenting the fact Russia doesn't have a massive 3 million man army like during the Soviet days or like China is capable of fielding. That was my interpretation of her as well. That is the reality when you have 50% less population and don’t declare it a war, and you have a much more pampered urban population isolated from the impacts of going to a SMO. If they want 1 million on the line they are going to have to house to house with bayonets and herd them onto trains. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:28:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Exactly. As someone posted much earlier, in an existential fight (big attacking smaller) not helping is taking a side. There is no middle. “Middle ground” is an excuse to allow the larger aggressor to keep attacking. If one wanted to be true middle ground they would use force to get combatants back to original start lines and secure that position. Agreed. And blaming the victim is no middle ground either. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:29:27 PM EST
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3 min ago, let the panic set in.
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:32:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNGearhead: I think you left the fun switch on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNGearhead: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By Prime:
Lol that would be a Cat 5 Shitticane. Don’t worry Skabby, if you let three million PLA troops in you won’t be dismissing them at all and you will become an even bigger international embarrassment that had to bring in outsiders to save your ass from your own invasion. You would never be taken seriously again. I'd be surprised is the rooskies trusted the Chinese that much. There's a risk the chicoms would come in and take control. I think you left the fun switch on. Us poors have to hit the button each time! 
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:34:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: The missile failed to know where was by knowing where it wasn't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By yekimak: Russian Thor missile system misfire. It only partially knew where it wasn't. Thus, only vaguely knew where it was, and no idea of where it was going. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:37:32 PM EST
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Heavy fighting continues on the Vremievsky ledge . Russian units were forced to retreat to the Makarovka-Urozhaynoye line. Despite the advance of the Russian assault groups to the north and the temporary return of control over Neskuchny , the Russian units failed to gain a foothold. ▪️Ukrainian formations accuse the Russian side of blowing up a dam across the Wet Yaly River: most likely, the explosion was carried out to slow down the advance of the enemy. ▪️The settlements of Makarovka and Urozhaynoye are under the control of Russian units: fighting is taking place on the near approaches to settlements. ▪️To the east, Ukrainian formations attempted to break through Russian positions at the Novodonetskoye-Novomayorskoye line, but were forced to retreat. 🔻Ukrainian formations are advancing in waves. Tactics usually come down to throwing assault units into the forest belt on armored vehicles: a foot offensive as part of squads and platoons with artillery support, and armored vehicles follow the infantry. We believe that the offensive potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is still far from being exhausted, and in the near future we should expect an increase in the onslaught. Due to bad weather, the situation on the Vremievsky ledge worsened: the ability to use drones and aviation was reduced. Russian units, leaving their positions in the destroyed frontline villages, were forced to retreat to the next line of defense. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:41:46 PM EST
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:49:21 PM EST
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Posted: 6/11/2023 1:51:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Shitty side note.
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