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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:33:44 AM EST
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:35:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyZhNOxWcAAk2Ao?format=jpg&name=large It's a quiet day for an offensive. Weather was bad yesterday, so they couldn’t use drones. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:35:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: I read a Forbes article that the Stryker equipped brigades are going to be used for the breakthroughs, and those brigades also have the challenger 2 tanks a d polish PT-91. But those 3 leading g brigades doing the fight right now have lost a huge part of there mine clearing vehicles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AROKIE: According to oryx Ukraine has lost 16 bradleys (15%) of the 109 supplied by the US. I sure hope they learned some lessons this last week. They can't afford to keep losing them at that rate. I honestly didn't think they'd use much Western armor for breaching minefields (other than the equipped mine clearing armor). I figured use the older stuff to support the mine clearing ops and use stuff like Brads for exploiting breakthroughs. Can't really take advantage of the optics and mobility crawling through an arty ravaged minefield. Idk I read a Forbes article that the Stryker equipped brigades are going to be used for the breakthroughs, and those brigades also have the challenger 2 tanks a d polish PT-91. But those 3 leading g brigades doing the fight right now have lost a huge part of there mine clearing vehicles.  The good thing is that it appears most of the crews survived. It does feel like the mines were more trouble than expected. I wonder if it was bad luck, bad intel, Russian trickery, etc. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:36:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1397-2848623.jpg  That's a good one |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:41:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
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Couple of updated maps
 
https://cepa.org/article/think-ukraines-offensive-has-started-wait-for-the-heavy-brigades/ The social media channels are alive with grainy footage of tanks and explosions in Southern and Eastern Ukraine. There are statements everywhere that Kyiv’s long-expected counteroffensive is underway, which is causing some excitement and trepidation. The offensive is incredibly important for Ukraine’s future. But when assessing what’s actually happening, it’s useful to understand some key facts. There is a big difference between starting an offensive, and the main attack or main effort of the operation. The offensive has clearly started, but not I think the main attack. When we see large, armored formations join the assault, then I think we’ll know the main attack has really begun. To date, I don’t think we’ve witnessed this concentration of several hundred tanks and infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) in the attack. ... When we see two or three of those brigades (around 500-750 armored vehicles) focused on a narrow front, it will then be possible to say that the main attack has probably started and where it’s happening. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:49:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: How about some more Margarita from Russian Media Monitor? She's talking about how USA has no freedom of speech, only Russia does. Somebody else points out some examples showing Russian does not have freedom of speech, and maybe Margarita needs to sound the alarm before Russia becomes totalitarian (yes, he said that). She said Russia will never become totalitarian, unless there's total nuclear war.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJUSzjO--0UAs much as I would like to shit in her pushy and fuck her in the ass, she is right a bit. This is coming from a guy who was accused of being at J6 when I was in Hungary and was actually questioned by the fabled new KGB FBI syndicate. Also banned on various SM platforms. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:56:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: That makes sense. I'm sure they know what they're doing. It just wasn't what I imagined from the safety of my couch. The good thing is that it appears most of the crews survived. It does feel like the mines were more trouble than expected. I wonder if it was bad luck, bad intel, Russian trickery, etc. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AROKIE: According to oryx Ukraine has lost 16 bradleys (15%) of the 109 supplied by the US. I sure hope they learned some lessons this last week. They can't afford to keep losing them at that rate. I honestly didn't think they'd use much Western armor for breaching minefields (other than the equipped mine clearing armor). I figured use the older stuff to support the mine clearing ops and use stuff like Brads for exploiting breakthroughs. Can't really take advantage of the optics and mobility crawling through an arty ravaged minefield. Idk I read a Forbes article that the Stryker equipped brigades are going to be used for the breakthroughs, and those brigades also have the challenger 2 tanks a d polish PT-91. But those 3 leading g brigades doing the fight right now have lost a huge part of there mine clearing vehicles. The good thing is that it appears most of the crews survived. It does feel like the mines were more trouble than expected. I wonder if it was bad luck, bad intel, Russian trickery, etc. Ya I just hope the can get a breakthrough soon so those other brigades can get into the fight |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:58:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: That makes sense. I'm sure they know what they're doing. It just wasn't what I imagined from the safety of my couch. The good thing is that it appears most of the crews survived. It does feel like the mines were more trouble than expected. I wonder if it was bad luck, bad intel, Russian trickery, etc. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AROKIE: According to oryx Ukraine has lost 16 bradleys (15%) of the 109 supplied by the US. I sure hope they learned some lessons this last week. They can't afford to keep losing them at that rate. I honestly didn't think they'd use much Western armor for breaching minefields (other than the equipped mine clearing armor). I figured use the older stuff to support the mine clearing ops and use stuff like Brads for exploiting breakthroughs. Can't really take advantage of the optics and mobility crawling through an arty ravaged minefield. Idk I read a Forbes article that the Stryker equipped brigades are going to be used for the breakthroughs, and those brigades also have the challenger 2 tanks a d polish PT-91. But those 3 leading g brigades doing the fight right now have lost a huge part of there mine clearing vehicles. The good thing is that it appears most of the crews survived. It does feel like the mines were more trouble than expected. I wonder if it was bad luck, bad intel, Russian trickery, etc. The Russians can lay remote mines with artillery and other means, even man portable. So if they expect an attack they could seed the way just before, or seed them behind them after an initial advance so they hit them in retreat. Same as the Ukrainians do with 155mm RAAM shells. It should not be a surprise to any of them. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:01:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: That's a good oneQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By RockNwood: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1397-2848623.jpg That's a good oneIt is weird how the Russians always say the bold lie first and then qualify “with a nuance.” Hey Ivan, a “nuance” is not the same as Opposite Day! |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:03:16 AM EST
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:04:56 AM EST
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"Akhmat", Kadyrov's special unit, signed a contract with Russian ministry of defense, as Shoigu's new order requires.
During the weekend, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, curator of Wagner PMC, refused to sign a similar contract for Wagner. Kadyrov has been criticizing Prigozhin harshly lately. It seems that the current situation with Prigozhin is Kadyrov's chance to return to Russian agenda. He has assumed the role of Putin's defender. Kadyrov heard from Prigozhin that his men remember the first and second Chechen wars and whose side Kadyrov's clan fought on. Prigozhin started openly discussing the opposition of Russians and Chechens in today's reality. There is a high probability that Chechens and Wagnerites could become competitors in the Russian criminal world in the near future. Based on analytical materials by @future_ui
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:16:47 AM EST
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 Attached FileSoon they'll be free again |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:26:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkNH: Macgregor needs to swing from a tree before this is over. I guess the military's indoctrination for the gay community has been going on for decades. How else but sucking dicks could MacGregor achieve the rank of COL. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:42:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Engineering equipment is a hard loss. They need the demining equipment. In that attack where they lost so much equipment, they had 3 deminers destroyed. I wonder if they don't quite work as advertised in an area that is heavily mined, or if those 3 were lost to artillery or for some other reason. All 3 were lost close together. Maybe there were some mines planted really deep? I expect we will eventually learn what happened. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:54:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
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Not sure what's real
RU source  I guess this would be a good reason for RU to counter attack
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Posted: 6/12/2023 5:20:59 AM EST
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Not sure if this has been posted already. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 5:24:44 AM EST
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Posted: 6/12/2023 5:34:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: SoCalExile]
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"Video released by the 35th Marine Brigade showing a failed Russian counterattack earlier today on the settlement of Storozheve along Velika Novosilka, where at least 1 Russian BMP-2 and 1 T-80BV tank were damaged/destroyed during the attack" https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1668203529901621252 |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 5:45:10 AM EST
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Posted: 6/12/2023 5:45:23 AM EST
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Posted: 6/12/2023 5:50:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: As much as I would like to shit in her pushy and fuck her in the ass, she is right a bit. This is coming from a guy who was accused of being at J6 when I was in Hungary and was actually questioned by the fabled new KGB FBI syndicate. Also banned on various SM platforms. All due respect, that’s like, your opinion man. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 5:56:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: SoCalExile]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Retreating troops getting shot by a blockade squad. Twitter link. Video seems off. No dust kicking up from the missed shots is one problem. Waiting on more info. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 5:56:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: TheLurker]
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 Attached FileEta. Weird, second tweet just won't show. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:00:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: TheLurker]
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https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1668209988840439808 Tweet won't show 
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:01:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Retreating troops getting shot by a blockade squad. Whoa! As ever for all Russia's bullshit about the West/Ukraine planning to destroy Russia it seems once more that the actual enemy of Russians is in fact the Russian government. Can't really tell by the vid but there have been losts of various sourced reports that Russian is in fact using barrier troops. Fuck'em. Alos seems that at least 2 more dams have been blown in Russo occupied territory while GD is still sucking Tucker's cock about 'who dunnit'. When this is over I only hope GD takes a long hard look in the mirror to contemplete what it means to be a moral conservative. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:20:43 AM EST
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:36:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Schmigs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyZhNOxWcAAk2Ao?format=jpg&name=large It's a quiet day for an offensive. Makes me wonder if no one is reporting anything…. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:42:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Patriot has been able to hit hypersonic stuff for a while. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyYcotwWAAAROQ4?format=jpg&name=small Very true, but to me the real feat was the short amount of training those Ukrainian patriot crews got relative to the standard training doctrine. Then those crews were almost immediately thrown into a complex simultaneous time on target drone, cruise missile, and ballistic missile attack. And they did very well. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:51:21 AM EST
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:52:50 AM EST
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:04:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Makes me wonder if no one is reporting anything…. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By Schmigs: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyZhNOxWcAAk2Ao?format=jpg&name=large It's a quiet day for an offensive. Makes me wonder if no one is reporting anything…. https://twitter.com/i/status/1667856850098716672 |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:04:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: I don't think our stealth aircraft can internally carry anti ship missiles they are too big. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Originally Posted By sq40: My inner Tom Clancy… Ukraine could have a sortie over the Black Sea for a cover story, while US stealth could shadow them and move in and deploy anti ship missiles. Sink Russian ships and let Ukraine take credit. Rinse and repeat. I don't think our stealth aircraft can internally carry anti ship missiles they are too big. B-2 can carry 16 JASSM-ER, which is essentially the same airframe as LRASM. Would not be a big leap. 
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:06:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: By 12 per year, do they mean batteries complete with radar, command and control units, launchers, missiles, etc., or what? If they can produce 12 complete batteries in a year's time, that would be pretty freaking nice. But if it is just 12 TELs, that would be pretty lame. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyYcotwWAAAROQ4?format=jpg&name=small By 12 per year, do they mean batteries complete with radar, command and control units, launchers, missiles, etc., or what? If they can produce 12 complete batteries in a year's time, that would be pretty freaking nice. But if it is just 12 TELs, that would be pretty lame. Complete working sets with what you describe above. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:18:07 AM EST
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:18:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jozsi: As much as I would like to shit in her pushy and fuck her in the ass, she is right a bit. This is coming from a guy who was accused of being at J6 when I was in Hungary and was actually questioned by the fabled new KGB FBI syndicate. Also banned on various SM platforms. "Still not quite as bad as Russia"...the new motto of the USA. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:20:22 AM EST
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Captured Mastiff and Husky
Source: https://t.me/milinfolive/102053
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:21:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: That makes sense. I'm sure they know what they're doing. It just wasn't what I imagined from the safety of my couch. The good thing is that it appears most of the crews survived. It does feel like the mines were more trouble than expected. I wonder if it was bad luck, bad intel, Russian trickery, etc. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By AROKIE: According to oryx Ukraine has lost 16 bradleys (15%) of the 109 supplied by the US. I sure hope they learned some lessons this last week. They can't afford to keep losing them at that rate. I honestly didn't think they'd use much Western armor for breaching minefields (other than the equipped mine clearing armor). I figured use the older stuff to support the mine clearing ops and use stuff like Brads for exploiting breakthroughs. Can't really take advantage of the optics and mobility crawling through an arty ravaged minefield. Idk I read a Forbes article that the Stryker equipped brigades are going to be used for the breakthroughs, and those brigades also have the challenger 2 tanks a d polish PT-91. But those 3 leading g brigades doing the fight right now have lost a huge part of there mine clearing vehicles. The good thing is that it appears most of the crews survived. It does feel like the mines were more trouble than expected. I wonder if it was bad luck, bad intel, Russian trickery, etc. In a sense, it might have been a few factors. This is just my opinion. 1. These units had to come out in force using the Western gear to tip off the Russians that a main offensive was happening in that area. Can you imagine the Russian communications of multiple Leopards and Bradley's with mine clearing equipment showing up in a specific sector? It would have been the lure to bait Russian units into scrambling toward that area. 2. The Russians very recently fielded a vehicle mounted mine throwing system, something akin to our old 80's FASCAM mine system, where they could throw a quick and dense minefield quickly about 10km from the vehicle launcher. The mines also copy Western designs and they can be timed to detonate themselves to quickly clear the field after a set time.  Russian mine-laying system "Zemledeliye" I suspect one of these rather rare mine systems was used. They don't have many of them in the field yet, so that is the good news. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:23:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Couple of updated maps
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyaLKaGXgAAqyv2?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyaNfw3WwAAxS1m?format=jpg&name=large
https://cepa.org/article/think-ukraines-offensive-has-started-wait-for-the-heavy-brigades/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Couple of updated maps
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyaLKaGXgAAqyv2?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyaNfw3WwAAxS1m?format=jpg&name=large
https://cepa.org/article/think-ukraines-offensive-has-started-wait-for-the-heavy-brigades/ The social media channels are alive with grainy footage of tanks and explosions in Southern and Eastern Ukraine. There are statements everywhere that Kyiv’s long-expected counteroffensive is underway, which is causing some excitement and trepidation. The offensive is incredibly important for Ukraine’s future. But when assessing what’s actually happening, it’s useful to understand some key facts. There is a big difference between starting an offensive, and the main attack or main effort of the operation. The offensive has clearly started, but not I think the main attack. When we see large, armored formations join the assault, then I think we’ll know the main attack has really begun. To date, I don’t think we’ve witnessed this concentration of several hundred tanks and infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) in the attack. ... When we see two or three of those brigades (around 500-750 armored vehicles) focused on a narrow front, it will then be possible to say that the main attack has probably started and where it’s happening. It is definitely coming, and I look forward to the Russian panic, it's bad now, but it's going to get much worse for them.
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:23:20 AM EST
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:29:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Retreating troops getting shot by a blockade squad. WOW! Fucking Russians. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:29:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Retreating troops getting shot by a blockade squad. Wow, we've heard about that stuff for a year now, but possible first visual evidence. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:32:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile: Twitter link. Video seems off. No dust kicking up from the missed shots is one problem. Waiting on more info. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile: Originally Posted By yekimak: Retreating troops getting shot by a blockade squad. Twitter link. Video seems off. No dust kicking up from the missed shots is one problem. Waiting on more info. It will be hard to tell, but those don't look like warning shots.  |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:33:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fya929WXwAYJI5d?format=jpg&name=360x360 Yeah, I would think any misses would hit pretty far out. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:35:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoCalExile: Twitter link. Video seems off. No dust kicking up from the missed shots is one problem. Waiting on more info. I dont know, it's kinda far away to see. Looked very real to me. I doubt the UA has the time to fake something like this but I guess it is possible. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:38:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I dont know, it's kinda far away to see. Looked very real to me. I doubt the UA has the time to fake something like this but I guess it is possible. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By SoCalExile: Twitter link. Video seems off. No dust kicking up from the missed shots is one problem. Waiting on more info. I dont know, it's kinda far away to see. Looked very real to me. I doubt the UA has the time to fake something like this but I guess it is possible. They are saying if true, those would most likely be Russian troops fleeing into the Chechen barrier troops, since for many months the Russian forces have complained about that sort of setup. There are guys trying to geolocate where this was filmed to give more clues. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:40:11 AM EST
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:44:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:45:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Wow, we've heard about that stuff for a year now, but possible first visual evidence. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By yekimak: Retreating troops getting shot by a blockade squad. Wow, we've heard about that stuff for a year now, but possible first visual evidence. There’s been plenty of Russian accounts of them being threatens and some shot all over TG. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:46:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QUACK32: Those dudes had no rifles/guns.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QUACK32: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Those dudes had no rifles/guns. Artillery crew |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 7:46:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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This helps explain what was faced in the first assault with the Bradley's and Leopards.
Notice the "NAFO" painted on the Bradley.
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