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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:44:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: If true, where does this leave Ukraine? If Putin remains in power, the war will continue. And if Shoigu and Gerasimov are replaced, Russia might actually end up with competent leadership. So at best, nothing changes as far as Ukraine is concerned. And things might even get worse. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
If true, where does this leave Ukraine? If Putin remains in power, the war will continue. And if Shoigu and Gerasimov are replaced, Russia might actually end up with competent leadership. So at best, nothing changes as far as Ukraine is concerned. And things might even get worse. Buzz kill. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:44:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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I’m not sure about his scoring but interesting
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:45:48 PM EDT
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Thanks again @Prime
I gave Irish my old 5.11 bag, loaded him up with a medical kit in that drop leg kit you sent, the Brit got some more med stuff, and your bag became my new pack. My battle belt first aid kit is looking good too.  I made a second first aid kit from a lot of the left overs, that is pretty diverse thanks to you. Lots of the straps are great for tools, and some of the pouches with foam will be perfect for optics or delicate instruments. The next project is a cover like the helmet scrims. A couple people asked me to make a bag cover, so here we are with prototypes.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:45:58 PM EDT
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Ukraine is absolutely fucked now. For a moment there was a glimmer of hope.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:46:48 PM EDT
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Oh how I would love to hear from the world's SIGNET community.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:47:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: It was an IL-22M and they even gave a tail number, the outer engines had ripped off making it look like a 2 engine craft. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_5761_jpeg-2862591.JPG It was an IL-22M and they even gave a tail number, the outer engines had ripped off making it look like a 2 engine craft.
Man I better watch what I can now before heading home No internet provider 
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:47:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matanzas: Ukraine is absolutely fucked now. For a moment there was a glimmer of hope. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:49:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: So Wagner is no more … Prighozin sold out his Mercs … Russia was made to look like a fool by Belarus negotiating … Wow … That's what I thought too, he butt fucked everyone! |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:50:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey:
The comments from this tweet...   I wonder where they bought them, there aren't many left. Maybe the Dutch Cheetahs that are stored in Belgium? |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:50:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: That's what I thought too, he butt fucked everyone! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By thehun06: So Wagner is no more Prighozin sold out his Mercs Russia was made to look like a fool by Belarus negotiating Wow That's what I thought too, he butt fucked everyone! Belarus intervening was not on my bingo card either 
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:51:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matanzas: Ukraine is absolutely fucked now. For a moment there was a glimmer of hope. Welcome fellow firearms enthusiast. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:52:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kbi:
Man I better watch what I can now before heading home No internet provider [/quote]  Star Wars - Negative, negative, it didn't go in. it just impacted on the surface. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:52:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Can you explain why? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Matanzas: Ukraine is absolutely fucked now. For a moment there was a glimmer of hope. Yes, this definitely made Russia look weak and showed that, while there was no uprising to support a bunch of Mercenaries and criminals led by a cook, there was not exactly support for Putin either. Even from his own MOD. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:53:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matanzas: Ukraine is absolutely fucked now. For a moment there was a glimmer of hope. Explain. I don't see this at all. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:53:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Freiheit8472]
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Needed HIM as a kid to negotiate!
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:53:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Yes, this definitely made Russia look weak and showed that, while there was no uprising to support a bunch of Mercenaries and criminals led by a cook, there was not exactly support for Putin either. Even from his own MOD. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:53:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matanzas: Ukraine is absolutely fucked now. For a moment there was a glimmer of hope. Yeah Russia has it's shit together now |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:55:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: For what end result? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Bunn19: It’s the most bizarre thing that’s happened during this war IMHO. I think it could very well be some type of false flag op orchestrated by Prigozhin and Putin together. For what end result? There was a Russian lady on Fox saying so Putin could declare martial law and a full mobilization, as well as get rid of Gerasimov and Shoigu. It doesn’t really make sense to me, but possibly makes more sense than Wagner nearly taking over the Russian government and Putin just saying “it’s all good we’ll make some changes to the MOD leadership and keep on keeping on as before.” Even more fishy is that Lukashenko supposedly orchestrated the deal and it was rumored a few weeks ago that Putin had possibly poisoned him. The entire ordeal is like B rate movie plot instead of real life. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:55:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Yeah Russia has it's shit together now |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:55:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: For what end result? To find the elements within the MoD that weren't going to remain loyal to Putin as this self-inflicted crisis deepens. So whoever outed themselves by jumping to help Prigozhin, or simply didn't do enough to stop him, are the ones that will never get promoted again, or we'll stop hearing from them ever again. There were probably oligarchs and people within the regional administrations that had MoD units stationed there, and sometimes they might have worried aloud to one another how they could keep their slices of the pie since this damned SMO was messing up their racket(s). And no vacations or second homes abroad, either! Putin can't overhear every whisper that occurs outside Moscow and St. Pete, unless some of "his people" are there to snoop for him. So he probably orchestrated a "provocation" to draw them out. I think we're going to see a wave of arrests among "coup plotters and sympathizers". Also notice how apparently NONE of the better-known dissidents jumped on this. Not Navalny, not Kasparov, not anybody. I think they know a trap when they see one (and it wasn't even a very convincing looking coup effort, either). |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:55:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Wow what a prescient video! 2021 by a form MP. Worth a watch.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OutvYSl_TLcPretty spot on about most of it, but not about their internal peace movement, |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:56:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:57:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Yeah Russia has it's shit together now |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:58:36 PM EDT
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He in Belarus to rule from there and take over.
It flushed a lot of people out. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 4:59:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Their shit is so together they just got their shit pushed in by a group that is much smaller and less funded than a large country. This just happened in their own territory where Russia should have had every advantage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Yeah Russia has it's shit together now Those 6 Russian chopper and Command aircraft crews were all in on it. Sacrifice for mother Russia! |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:00:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Their shit is so together they just got their shit pushed in by a group that is much smaller and less funded than a large country. This just happened in their own territory where Russia should have had every advantage. Ben, I’m pretty sure that was sarcasm. Unless you’re piling it on too.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:02:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: To find the elements within the MoD that weren't going to remain loyal to Putin as this self-inflicted crisis deepens. So whoever outed themselves by jumping to help Prigozhin, or simply didn't do enough to stop him, are the ones that will never get promoted again, or we'll stop hearing from them ever again. There were probably oligarchs and people within the regional administrations that had MoD units stationed there, and sometimes they might have worried aloud to one another how they could keep their slices of the pie since this damned SMO was messing up their racket(s). And no vacations or second homes abroad, either! Putin can't overhear every whisper that occurs outside Moscow and St. Pete, unless some of "his people" are there to snoop for him. So he probably orchestrated a "provocation" to draw them out. I think we're going to see a wave of arrests among "coup plotters and sympathizers". Also notice how apparently NONE of the better-known dissidents jumped on this. Not Navalny, not Kasparov, not anybody. I think they know a trap when they see one (and it wasn't even a very convincing looking coup effort, either). It’s rather peculiar because we haven’t heard of any major elements of the MoD publicly jumping ship when this whole thing started. Seems like it was Prigozhin on his own. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:03:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dillydilly:
Ben, I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm. Unless you're piling it on too. [/quote]I figured it out after hitting send |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:04:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Matanzas: Ukraine is absolutely fucked now. For a moment there was a glimmer of hope.  Thank you for your expert opinion! Russia is stronker with fewer helicopters and pilots, a divided army, a President who ran scared, and a population cheering the coup. 😃 Russia is fucked twelve ways and still working on thirteen. This is a great opportunity for Ukraine to press those widening cracks on the front. 😁 |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:05:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lonestar6actual: So the question is, was the “coup” part of a plan to make the Ukrainians show their hand? Did the Ukes make any moves during this that they wouldn’t of otherwise and that is my the March to Moscow is off? No. They are not retarded. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:11:55 PM EDT
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So does this inspire Ramzan Kadyrov to do something too ?
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:12:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Thank you for your expert opinion! Russia is stronker with fewer helicopters and pilots, a divided army, a President who ran scared, and a population cheering the coup. Russia is fucked twelve ways and still working on thirteen. This is a great opportunity for Ukraine to press those widening cracks on the front. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Matanzas: Ukraine is absolutely fucked now. For a moment there was a glimmer of hope. Thank you for your expert opinion! Russia is stronker with fewer helicopters and pilots, a divided army, a President who ran scared, and a population cheering the coup. Russia is fucked twelve ways and still working on thirteen. This is a great opportunity for Ukraine to press those widening cracks on the front.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:13:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: No. They are not retarded. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:14:02 PM EDT
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I can't help wondering if those Russian rebel military groups are looking at this and thinking "The hell with Belgorod, we could take Moscow!"
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:14:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: So does this inspire Ramzan Kadyrov to do something too ?
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:14:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By absael: I can't help wondering if those Russian rebel military groups are looking at this and thinking "The hell with Belgorod, we could take Moscow!" |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:15:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Prediction:
Prigozhin’s plane is shot down today and blamed on Ukraine. I was really hoping for TOR-1 barrages to level Moscow. 😢 |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:15:59 PM EDT
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I’ve watched all the news channels pretty much all day.
This guys watch and monitor this thread a whole lot lol…..it’s obvious |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:16:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UKjohn: The vid posted showed them stopped at a stop sign |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:16:40 PM EDT
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Man this sucks! I bought stuff for Smores too!
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:17:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By absael: I can't help wondering if those Russian rebel military groups are looking at this and thinking "The hell with Belgorod, we could take Moscow!" Yeah, it seems the door is wide open now. If you have a small army and some tanks, you can drive straight to Moscow for your grievances. I wonder if Kadyrov will try next.
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:17:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m:
The deleted An-26 video from another channel. They were a long way up. Shitty way for anyone to die. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:19:59 PM EDT
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1.) Prigozhin is out of the war leadership game. He just snaked everyone who was willing to follow him.
2.) Wagner is over. The only somewhat effective fighting force they had is now following MOD shite for brains. 3.) Russians are normally paranoid and fatalistic. They are now plumbing new depths of "It's all fucked anyway." 4.) A bunch of top level people just straight up abandoned Putin to his fate in the middle of all that. Spinning this as something positive for Russia is horseshit. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:21:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:21:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Their shit is so together they just got their shit pushed in by a group that is much smaller and less funded than a large country. This just happened in their own territory where Russia should have had every advantage. I know. That's why I was being facetious |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:21:48 PM EDT
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13th-
It seems to me that it was an operational move ... Otherwise, the explanations why everything was not brought to the end look as strange as possible ... We broke away from the front line, arrived in Rostov, and what? And nothing. Viktorovich, I don’t understand under what conditions the agreement was made ... Will Shoigu and Gerasimov be shot? No...here's my answer. And as for the pilots who were shot down, no one attacked them first ... they were the first to start ... It was basic defense. https://t.me/Separ13_13/15599 And the Tik-tok troops that did not reach Rostov, do they want to go to the Zaporozhye direction now? We need reserves now... https://t.me/Separ13_13/15603  Reason won!) And the conditions that Prigogine set, which is why this whole movement began, they were met. And within the framework of these agreements, he knew what he was getting into ... I think so. https://t.me/Separ13_13/15607 A source close to PMC Wagner: In addition to the resignation of Shoigu, it is also planned to replace a number of FSB generals, including the head of the FSB for Moscow and the Moscow Region Alexei Dorofeev, today the Moscow defense system passed a stress test in case of a sudden invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the direction of Moscow, none of the heads of regional The UFSB, including the capital, did not pass this test, and if Prigozhin had not turned around, then shedding blood, as he puts it, he would have entered Moscow. Further, with such a leaky defense system, the war with Ukraine cannot be continued, now there will be serious reshuffles, both in the Ministry of Defense and in the FSB. https://t.me/Separ13_13/15613 Release the guys who obeyed the order of the higher authorities of the Southern Military District to lay down their arms when Wagner was taken to headquarters. The guys at the headquarters of the Southern Military District were told to lay down their arms by some colonels, now some of them have been detained and accused of treason, although they followed the order. But they were ready to defend. The weirdness will continue. https://t.me/zapiski_ot_Fidel/7605(repost) |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:23:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Man this sucks! I bought stuff for Smores too! Ha! I bet a boatload of the wagnerites would love to enjoy a last s’more before they’re Putin Purged. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:26:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzahBaQWIAEk4XI?format=png&name=900x900 Saved to the phone! |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:27:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Can you explain why? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Matanzas: Ukraine is absolutely fucked now. For a moment there was a glimmer of hope. This was the one and only opportunity for regime change. Putin will use this to strengthen his inner circle, weed out those who showed even a hint of disloyalty, and rally the Russian people to the cause. Just my opinion, obviously. |
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Posted: 6/24/2023 5:27:15 PM EDT
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