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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:05:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:18:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:23:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:27:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lorazepam]
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Pics of wagner camp in belarus.
https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1675881885417852928 |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:30:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Auto5guy]
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This is cool. A Ukraine drone destroys a russian fake cell tower made from a tall man lift.
Twitter Link The Russians are actively using fake cell towers to collect intelligence information. Mobile phones independently switch to a station with a stronger signal, and then information is collected about the places where Ukrainian troops are concentrated. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:39:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501509/Screenshot_20230703_085936_jpg-2872109.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0HZhgIXwAIIKL7?format=jpg&name=small https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501509/Screenshot_20230703_085936_jpg-2872109.JPG Was just about to say that it looked less like special forces and more the the special bus. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:39:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:44:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: They certainly can. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-21-94/appf.htm Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Haub: Did... did the Javelin just score a Helicopter kill? https://news.yahoo.com/marines-shoot-down-russian-helicopter-085145312.html Quote: "The 309th Russian helicopter was shot down by the marines of the 36th Marine Brigade named after Rear Admiral Mykhailo Bilynskyi." Details: It is noted that an anti-tank brigade of the Ukrainian Marines shot down the Alligator Ka-52 helicopter using a Javelin system on the Berdiansk front. Ukrainska Pravda reported that this happened on Sunday, 2 July. They certainly can. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-21-94/appf.htm The Javelin can destroy targets from medium ranges (65 to 2,000 meters), including helicopters and fortified positions. The platoon leader also can use the Javelin's imaging infrared (I2R) sight capability to conduct surveillance of critical avenues of approach in all types of weather. The Javelin also may be used to engage bunkers, buildings, and other fortified targets commonly found during combat in built-up areas. F-10. SELF-DEFENSE AGAINST HELICOPTERS Because Javelin positions are selected to cover enemy armor avenues of approach, the medium-range fields of fire afforded by these positions also enable Javelin gunners to engage aircraft. a. Weapons Control Status. The weapons control status established for air defense weapons applies to Javelin gunners, too. Unless ordered otherwise, gunners should fire in unit self-defense only; for example, only engage aircraft that are attacking friendly positions. b. Self-Defense Engagements. A Javelin gunner can automatically engage an enemy helicopter that is attacking its position. The gunner's target engagement sequence is the same as against ground targets. The Javelin should be in the direct-attack mode when engaging helicopters. The rotors of the helicopter may interfere with the sensors of the missile in the top-attack mode and result in erratic flight of the missile and a target miss. I remember at least 1 vid of a Stugna -P taking out a hovering/very slow moving chopper. Was one of those Ruski plump looking troop transport things. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:52:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: I remember at least 1 vid of a Stugna -P taking out a hovering/very slow moving chopper. Was one of those Ruski plump looking troop transport things. With proper survivability equipment on board, ATGM's are more dangerous to a helicopter than MANPADS. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:52:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Here is a link to Ukraine on fire for the lurkers that have never seen it. It is worth the watch.
Wel GD wil sure lap it up. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:56:13 AM EDT
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It looks like friendly fire incident at 3:44 in this video. Guy gets shot in the leg. The video has already been posted, just reposting with this observation.
https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1675873436097208323 |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 11:58:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: Wel GD wil sure lap it up. If you watch the video, it is clear that the Maidan protests were organic, and not some state sponsored coup. Anyone who thinks the cia caused it is a monumental retard. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:01:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: If you watch the video, it is clear that the Maidan protests were organic, and not some state sponsored coup. Anyone who thinks the cia caused it is a monumental retard. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By iggy1337: Wel GD wil sure lap it up. If you watch the video, it is clear that the Maidan protests were organic, and not some state sponsored coup. Anyone who thinks the cia caused it is a monumental retard. Well hid did say GD didn't he?... |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:16:54 PM EDT
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How do you cure a hang fire? With a shovel.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:20:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
says page doesn't exist. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:21:40 PM EDT
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Clearer footage from the other day when a Russian tank hit mines on the road.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:23:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: says page doesn't exist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
says page doesn't exist. Video works fine if you use this. https://twittervideodownloader.com/ |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:23:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: says page doesn't exist. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
says page doesn't exist. Says it was deleted for me now as well. They hit a moving Russian tank with a fpv drone in the engine. It immediately caught fire afterwards. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:34:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:37:09 PM EDT
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I pray that what we are seeing is putin presiding over the total destruction of russia as a world power. I pray that history will see him as a strong man buffoon on the level of Mussolini, a clown who's personal ego and absurd ambitions destroyed his entire country. I pray he meets the same end.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:37:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:37:38 PM EDT
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Quote Historyta |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:40:28 PM EDT
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lol.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:43:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: I'm more interested in the Shahed kills, I keep getting told they don't use Patriot on drones. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Polish_20230703_111331982.jpg Under the red arrow dated May 21 2023, I thought that was an aircraft dropped bomb. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/fab-image02.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTC8Jqxzkb8YrrlxpD4YrIuDcl69UCf6KcnEA&usqp=CAU I'm more interested in the Shahed kills, I keep getting told they don't use Patriot on drones. I never said they wouldn't unless they needed to, but the multiple aircraft, helo and Iksander kills make up for the Shahed kills. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:50:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:50:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:50:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I never said they wouldn't unless they needed to, but the multiple aircraft, helo and Iksander kills make up for the Shahed kills. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Polish_20230703_111331982.jpg Under the red arrow dated May 21 2023, I thought that was an aircraft dropped bomb. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/fab-image02.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTC8Jqxzkb8YrrlxpD4YrIuDcl69UCf6KcnEA&usqp=CAU I'm more interested in the Shahed kills, I keep getting told they don't use Patriot on drones. I never said they wouldn't unless they needed to, but the multiple aircraft, helo and Iksander kills make up for the Shahed kills. Yeah I'm having trouble getting worked up over it when it appears ~80% of their kills are against high value targets, especially without knowing how many of the drone engagements were done as a last resort after they may have gotten through other layers of air defense. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:52:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: You said rape three times...  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Capta: I wonder how much that leaflet actually has woth mobiks who have been raped by their “dedys” (senior conscripts), raped by Wager, and raped by Kadyrovites? You said rape three times... Russians are rapey. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 7/3/2023 12:54:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: And? I'm listening to their opinion not engaging in a physical relationship. A persons sexual pref or gender doesn't reflect the truthfulness or reality of their statements. There are a lot of super straight white guys that are TOTALLY morally and logically wrong with respect to Ukraine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Remember the crematoriums that were pictured way back? This gal seems to think they are being used to cover up losses and making payments to families. Grain of salt and all..... She claims to be in the Ukrainian army.
That's a tranny fyi! It's false logic to say that a tranny's opinion/views are beyond reproach, just because a lot of straight white men have idiotic views. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:01:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:01:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Yeah I'm having trouble getting worked up over it when it appears ~80% of their kills are against high value targets, especially without knowing how many of the drone engagements were done as a last resort after they may have gotten through other layers of air defense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Polish_20230703_111331982.jpg Under the red arrow dated May 21 2023, I thought that was an aircraft dropped bomb. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/fab-image02.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTC8Jqxzkb8YrrlxpD4YrIuDcl69UCf6KcnEA&usqp=CAU I'm more interested in the Shahed kills, I keep getting told they don't use Patriot on drones. I never said they wouldn't unless they needed to, but the multiple aircraft, helo and Iksander kills make up for the Shahed kills. Yeah I'm having trouble getting worked up over it when it appears ~80% of their kills are against high value targets, especially without knowing how many of the drone engagements were done as a last resort after they may have gotten through other layers of air defense. You have to put those kill markings in context with what they were facing those days.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:06:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:07:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Russians are rapey. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:07:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam:
Well, that can be read three ways. -Putin needs to win so he can save the world from globohomo even if he has to destroy the world to do it. -Putin needs to lose so he can be replaced with someone even more insane who will do what’s necessary to win the war at any cost. -Putin needs to lose so he can be replaced with someone sane who will save Russia from itself, pull out of Ukraine, and not nuke anyone. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:11:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: They can re supply by sea. Remember the battle for the island of Malta in WWII? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Right but... all the men in the world won't matter if they can't get ammo, food, medicine, etc... Russia can't protect the kerch strait connection. If they lose the land bridge, Crimea loses logistical connection to the rest of Russia, doesn't it? They can re supply by sea. Remember the battle for the island of Malta in WWII? Not if Ukraine can cover the shipping lanes and ports with Anti-Ship missiles. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:17:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: There's 8 at least on this launcher alone, not mentioning how many are on the other dozen launchers. I've been flat out told multiple times by prolific posters in this thread that this absolutely does not occur. If you are counting ROI, Iskander is about a 3:1 ratio to a Patriot, a Shahed is a 50:1. That matters less than the fact that they have an extremely finite magazine, each Patriot used on a drone is one more Iskander that gets through once they run dry. If you want the ROI on that, the Shahed 136's warhead is about 60lbs, an Iskander's is around 1500lbs NEW. The real story to this just shows the overall target selection and attrition problem that got Ukraine in the mess they are in with air defense in the first place. Patriot is not something they can not afford to squander regardless of ROI. They WILL stop being resupplied, there is no question about that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I never said they wouldn't unless they needed to, but the multiple aircraft helo and Iksander kills make up for the Shahed kills. There's 8 at least on this launcher alone, not mentioning how many are on the other dozen launchers. I've been flat out told multiple times by prolific posters in this thread that this absolutely does not occur. If you are counting ROI, Iskander is about a 3:1 ratio to a Patriot, a Shahed is a 50:1. That matters less than the fact that they have an extremely finite magazine, each Patriot used on a drone is one more Iskander that gets through once they run dry. If you want the ROI on that, the Shahed 136's warhead is about 60lbs, an Iskander's is around 1500lbs NEW. The real story to this just shows the overall target selection and attrition problem that got Ukraine in the mess they are in with air defense in the first place. Patriot is not something they can not afford to squander regardless of ROI. They WILL stop being resupplied, there is no question about that. If they have to shoot Patriot to defend the Patriot battery itself obviously they will. Clearly you have an agenda to push. I suggest you consider possible explanations before jumping to conclusions that you personally want to see. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:21:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: _disconnector_]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fervid_dryfire: It's false logic to say that a tranny's opinion/views are beyond reproach, just because a lot of straight white men have idiotic views. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fervid_dryfire: Originally Posted By _disconnector_: Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Remember the crematoriums that were pictured way back? This gal seems to think they are being used to cover up losses and making payments to families. Grain of salt and all..... She claims to be in the Ukrainian army.
That's a tranny fyi! It's false logic to say that a tranny's opinion/views are beyond reproach, just because a lot of straight white men have idiotic views. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:22:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Russian TG In Primorsko-Akhtarsk (Krasnodar Territory) a powerful explosion near the airfield. Not a drone. Previously, a rocket was shot down. Interested in your opinions ⬇ ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1082 |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:24:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
I hope this is true. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:24:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
Russian TG In Primorsko-Akhtarsk (Krasnodar Territory) a powerful explosion near the airfield. Not a drone. Previously, a rocket was shot down. Interested in your opinions ⬇ ✏️ @ieZekiil_9 2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣ https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1082 They think this might be a failed Russian Kh-22 missile. Or Russian air defence shot a Kh-22 down. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:24:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:39:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: I don't have an agenda, this just supports facts that I have been trying to convey in this thread multiple times. Facts that are consistently denied but always end up becoming proven. Context doesn't change a finite resource. Patriot is the most finite resource they have. If deep strike OWAs are threatening the launchers, they need to make corrections to either displace more often or defend them better. They do not have the assets to waste. This war will be won or lost in the deep fires game, and Ukraine is currently losing that. The band aid holding it together is Patriot. That band aid will be ripped off a lot sooner than most think. I don't see it. Russia is mostly striking soft targets with little military value, that kind of "deep fires game" is ineffective. When they target military infrastructure with drones they are mostly shot down with other defenses besides the Patriots. The Patriots are mostly used against expensive missiles where Russia is equally if not more limited in the supply. So this claim isn't adding to for me. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:42:22 PM EDT
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it could be something as simple as "Sop is to fire 2 interceptor missiles per incoming vampire, 1st interceptor eliminates Islander 2nd interceptor is a freebee for drone or whatever else"
I'm not the one receiving the incoming so I aint gonna judge the situation. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: I don't have an agenda, this just supports facts that I have been trying to convey in this thread multiple times. Facts that are consistently denied but always end up becoming proven. Context doesn't change a finite resource. Patriot is the most finite resource they have. If deep strike OWAs are threatening the launchers, they need to make corrections to either displace more often or defend them better. They do not have the assets to waste. This war will be won or lost in the deep fires game, and Ukraine is currently losing that. The band aid holding it together is Patriot. That band aid will be ripped off a lot sooner than most think. You seem concerned. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:43:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:44:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:46:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:47:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: I don't have an agenda, this just supports facts that I have been trying to convey in this thread multiple times. Facts that are consistently denied but always end up becoming proven. Context doesn't change a finite resource. Patriot is the most finite resource they have. If deep strike OWAs are threatening the launchers, they need to make corrections to either displace more often or defend them better. They do not have the assets to waste. This war will be won or lost in the deep fires game, and Ukraine is currently losing that. The band aid holding it together is Patriot. That band aid will be ripped off a lot sooner than most think. I don't think your closing statement is all that controversial, although I'd say we know even less about Russian industrial capacity than we do about what Ukraine is being given. You do tend to present things as "Patriot vs Shahed or nothing" which isn't entirely true, but you're highlighting a very real problem. We'll have to just wait and see.
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:51:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Posted: 7/3/2023 1:52:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: I'm providing the same level of information sharing and discussion as anyone else in this thread. The only difference is its objective, which means it will be immediately challenged as a pro Russia stance. As it already is. I'm just curious as to how many times you guys can be proven wrong before you even attempt to take an objective look. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By Logcutter: You seem concerned. I'm providing the same level of information sharing and discussion as anyone else in this thread. The only difference is its objective, which means it will be immediately challenged as a pro Russia stance. As it already is. I'm just curious as to how many times you guys can be proven wrong before you even attempt to take an objective look. Your issue is that you think you are right, and yet you have proved nothing. You stated your opinion. And others stated there's. No one here knows as they are not there. Really no point in hammering away trying to force opinions down someone's throat just because others don't see it like you do |
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