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Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:05:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By theskuh:

maybe a big bomber quadcopter
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Originally Posted By stone-age:
What is falling in the first one or two seconds of this video?


maybe a big bomber quadcopter



That's what I thought it might be too.
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:09:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



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Poor quadcopter.
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:09:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By stone-age:
What is falling in the first one or two seconds of this video?

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Long tangled section of Corrugated steel roof from whatever target got hit?
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:13:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sierra-def:


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With Northrop pulling out of the main prize, I have to believe they’ll push a large amount of chips into the pot.

There’s tons of secondary contracts up for award too.
Could save Boeing, they’ve had a rough decade.
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:15:16 PM EST
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Side note, but neat map illustration.






Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:16:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DPeacher:


From a personal security perspective, would you want a dedicated crew you have vetted, or trust some random person in a flight uniform?  The stew or the pilots could be FSB assassins for all you know.
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good point.
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:17:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By yekimak:
https://t.me/russvolcorps/686

We appeal to the fighters of the Wagner PMC, for whom the words loyalty and honor still have meaning and meaning.
Apparently, your commanders and founding father were cynically executed yesterday. The fact that they were killed by order of representatives of the highest echelon of power in the Russian Federation is obvious to everyone. Therefore, now you have a difficult but rather logical choice: either become a stall of the Russian Defense Ministry in the service of the killers of your commanders, or save your honor and take revenge on their executioners by going over to Ukraine.
If you have not committed war crimes on the territory of Ukraine, then we invite you to join our ranks and first complete this bloody meat grinder of the so-called. "SVO", and then again march on Moscow, but this time do not stop 200 km from the Moscow Ring Road, but reach the end!
In the event of your voluntary transfer to the side of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine guarantee you security and decent conditions!




Might have trouble recruiting with the condition “have not committed war crimes.” 😬
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:19:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

Yeah that one guy without a helmet rifle or gear jumping out of the trench and getting blasted up close looked like he just woke up, startled from his bunk.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
Originally Posted By UKjohn:
Some of them looked to have no clue

Yeah that one guy without a helmet rifle or gear jumping out of the trench and getting blasted up close looked like he just woke up, startled from his bunk.


I have to admit I cringed a little bit, watching his body ripple as he was shot another 6-8 times.

Wouldn't have happened to him if he'd stayed in Russia, though.  
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:19:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



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Holly chit!
That’s a dragon.
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:27:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By theskuh:

maybe a big bomber quadcopter
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Originally Posted By stone-age:
What is falling in the first one or two seconds of this video?


maybe a big bomber quadcopter

It looks like a tent, or some metal roofing...or a dragon.
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:36:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Check out Duma member Gurulev on Russian Media Monitor. WWIII is inevitable, nuclear war is inevitable, it's only a question of when it starts and who starts it. Gurulev is a hawk (or maybe a loon), but it's still a sobering watch. This is a serious figure saying nuclear war is coming, North Korea must conquer the south, the Pacific Fleet will be destroyed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESjykDMbmxc



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He’s one of two or three of their most “Russian Imperialist thug and proud of it” contributors.  I wouldn’t take him at face value other than the fact that Russia is ruled by psychopaths.
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:41:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Skabeeva reports on the Prigozhin plane crash, but the show footage from some other incident after the reporting.

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The other footage is from Wagner’s shootdown of the An-21 command plane during the mutiny.  May be a not-so-subtle explanation to the Russian people that Prigozhin got what he deserved.
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:41:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:




For one of the tests, they hit a sea target at 130km you can see the angle of the launch for that here.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1183820804037009411


https://www.thedefensepost.com/2019/10/15/saab-boeing-ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-sea-target-test/


Looks about 45 degree angle, perhaps more depending on the camera angle.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/glsdb-norway-saab-768x432.jpg

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Yes, thank you.

I was being a little bit glib, but my point was, there are just a ton of variables. I recall the debates from YT videos about ICBMs from the 60s to 80s...Oh darn they are liquid fueled so they need coffin launchers. Ok we have better guidance and solid fuels and smaller warheads, so now do we put them more in silos or subs? Later, do we but them on the southward side of a mountain, for reasons? Or, do we put them on big damn trucks and play a gigantic shell game with them?

And a bunch of smart dudes had to noodle that out and make their case (whether engineers or accountants).

So I don't know the exact specifics, but clearly there will be different ranges and types of terrain that are favorable or unfavorable to GLSDB.

Luckily, I have heard we have a bunch of weaponeers in the US .mil who are kinda scary good at that after 20 years.

I don't need the keys to the kingdom, though I would just kind of enjoy the magic 8 ball quality level of answers from those types:
 
● It is certain
● It is decidedly so
● Without a doubt
● Yes definitely
● You may rely on it

And let the actual chips fall where they may: Suddenly and Unexpectedly.
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:47:59 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:51:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
...why is that thing drenched in oil?..
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After 80 years you need lube.  
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 10:55:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Capta:

The other footage is from Wagner’s shootdown of the An-21 command plane during the mutiny.  May be a not-so-subtle explanation to the Eussian people that Prigozhin got what he deserved.
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Originally Posted By Capta:
Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Skabeeva reports on the Prigozhin plane crash, but the show footage from some other incident after the reporting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AywsneXxDLo

The other footage is from Wagner’s shootdown of the An-21 command plane during the mutiny.  May be a not-so-subtle explanation to the Eussian people that Prigozhin got what he deserved.

That's what I thought it was, but I wasn't sure. Yeah, they aren't holding back, that's open payback.
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 11:05:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:



I understand your feelings, as I'm just as amazed to see vehicles from my 80's childhood fighting THE RUSSIANS in 2023.
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Originally Posted By yekimak:
Does anyone else find Ukraine's use of s200s at least slightly humorous?

Ive mentioned it before, but still, seeing this Jetsons's age shit getting used is hard is just... I dunno, it's like all the stuff they drew in cartoons in the 40s come to life in 50s/60s. Maybe if, in the future, tactical nukes land on the table, we can send over some Davy Crocketts just to flush out the aesthetic.

Anyhow, Kaluga is getting whacked with s200s now. I've not had a chance to look up where Kaluga is or it's significance due to my cheesing about s200s and saying "Ka-lu-ga" over and over emphasis ing different syllable trying to figger out what sounds right and which sounds the funniest.



I understand your feelings, as I'm just as amazed to see vehicles from my 80's childhood fighting THE RUSSIANS in 2023.

Link Posted: 8/24/2023 11:11:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:


Yes, thank you.

I was being a little bit glib, but my point was, there are just a ton of variables. I recall the debates from YT videos about ICBMs from the 60s to 80s...Oh darn they are liquid fueled so they need coffin launchers. Ok we have better guidance and solid fuels and smaller warheads, so now do we put them more in silos or subs? Later, do we but them on the southward side of a mountain, for reasons? Or, do we put them on big damn trucks and play a gigantic shell game with them?

And a bunch of smart dudes had to noodle that out and make their case (whether engineers or accountants).

So I don't know the exact specifics, but clearly there will be different ranges and types of terrain that are favorable or unfavorable to GLSDB.

Luckily, I have heard we have a bunch of weaponeers in the US .mil who are kinda scary good at that after 20 years.

I don't need the keys to the kingdom, though I would just kind of enjoy the magic 8 ball quality level of answers from those types:
 
● It is certain
● It is decidedly so
● Without a doubt
● Yes definitely
● You may rely on it

And let the actual chips fall where they may: Suddenly and Unexpectedly.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:




For one of the tests, they hit a sea target at 130km you can see the angle of the launch for that here.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1183820804037009411


https://www.thedefensepost.com/2019/10/15/saab-boeing-ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-sea-target-test/


Looks about 45 degree angle, perhaps more depending on the camera angle.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/glsdb-norway-saab-768x432.jpg



Yes, thank you.

I was being a little bit glib, but my point was, there are just a ton of variables. I recall the debates from YT videos about ICBMs from the 60s to 80s...Oh darn they are liquid fueled so they need coffin launchers. Ok we have better guidance and solid fuels and smaller warheads, so now do we put them more in silos or subs? Later, do we but them on the southward side of a mountain, for reasons? Or, do we put them on big damn trucks and play a gigantic shell game with them?

And a bunch of smart dudes had to noodle that out and make their case (whether engineers or accountants).

So I don't know the exact specifics, but clearly there will be different ranges and types of terrain that are favorable or unfavorable to GLSDB.

Luckily, I have heard we have a bunch of weaponeers in the US .mil who are kinda scary good at that after 20 years.

I don't need the keys to the kingdom, though I would just kind of enjoy the magic 8 ball quality level of answers from those types:
 
● It is certain
● It is decidedly so
● Without a doubt
● Yes definitely
● You may rely on it

And let the actual chips fall where they may: Suddenly and Unexpectedly.



I agree, there are a ton of variables, but it will give the Ukrainians a good deal of flexibility when it arrives in numbers.  I don't think the Russian air defenses will be able to intercept it as easily as some think.  Different flight profiles and maneuvers could fool the SAM radars at deciding what the target is.

Link Posted: 8/24/2023 11:14:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By yekimak:
https://t.me/russvolcorps/686

We appeal to the fighters of the Wagner PMC, for whom the words loyalty and honor still have meaning and meaning.
Apparently, your commanders and founding father were cynically executed yesterday. The fact that they were killed by order of representatives of the highest echelon of power in the Russian Federation is obvious to everyone. Therefore, now you have a difficult but rather logical choice: either become a stall of the Russian Defense Ministry in the service of the killers of your commanders, or save your honor and take revenge on their executioners by going over to Ukraine.
If you have not committed war crimes on the territory of Ukraine, then we invite you to join our ranks and first complete this bloody meat grinder of the so-called. "SVO", and then again march on Moscow, but this time do not stop 200 km from the Moscow Ring Road, but reach the end!
In the event of your voluntary transfer to the side of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine guarantee you security and decent conditions!


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 That would be something to see, a brigade of wagner's fighting for Ukraine. lol
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 11:23:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
That was a great video, I wanted to see the M42/M46 submunitions
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
That was a great video, I wanted to see the M42/M46 submunitions


thats pretty dang smart!! I remember months ago when Ukraine just asked for cluster bombs to dismantle for UAV bombs and not for using them as a cluster bomb as intended, glad they now have both options
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 11:26:10 PM EST
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Ive been waiting for something like this to come out, I know the FSB raided all his offices though after the coup, wonder if Prighozin kept his "kompramat" elsewhere?  Interesting days lay ahead
Link Posted: 8/24/2023 11:32:13 PM EST
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Sounds like the beheading was complete then. I guess we’ll see if the mid-level officers have the chops to step up and do something.
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 12:14:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GTLandser:


Yes, thank you.

I was being a little bit glib, but my point was, there are just a ton of variables. I recall the debates from YT videos about ICBMs from the 60s to 80s...Oh darn they are liquid fueled so they need coffin launchers. Ok we have better guidance and solid fuels and smaller warheads, so now do we put them more in silos or subs? Later, do we but them on the southward side of a mountain, for reasons? Or, do we put them on big damn trucks and play a gigantic shell game with them?

And a bunch of smart dudes had to noodle that out and make their case (whether engineers or accountants).

So I don't know the exact specifics, but clearly there will be different ranges and types of terrain that are favorable or unfavorable to GLSDB.

Luckily, I have heard we have a bunch of weaponeers in the US .mil who are kinda scary good at that after 20 years.

I don't need the keys to the kingdom, though I would just kind of enjoy the magic 8 ball quality level of answers from those types:
 
● It is certain
● It is decidedly so
● Without a doubt
● Yes definitely
● You may rely on it

And let the actual chips fall where they may: Suddenly and Unexpectedly.
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Thank you.  I am gratified that there is at least one thread someone can ask questions like that and not just get shit on for asking.

From what I can gather, GLSDB will be able to do... something from where they can be launched from currently.

More/closer launch points would obviously be better tho.
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 12:22:18 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/25/2023 12:27:12 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/25/2023 12:35:18 AM EST
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Fuck yes!!!

Things are starting to move much faster. I'm really liking what I've been seeing the past few days.
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 12:40:43 AM EST
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Not sure when Sweden officially enters NATO but good attitude to move things along. I am assuming they are figuring once in NATO they can get by for a couple of years until they get F-35.
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 12:49:01 AM EST
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Not sure when Sweden officially enters NATO but good attitude to move things along. I am assuming they are figuring once in NATO they can get by for a couple of years until they get F-35.
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Is it gonna be a lease with terms and conditions just like Sweden did to Hungary?

Link Posted: 8/25/2023 12:51:50 AM EST
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For one of the tests, they hit a sea target at 130km you can see the angle of the launch for that here.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1183820804037009411


https://www.thedefensepost.com/2019/10/15/saab-boeing-ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-sea-target-test/


Looks about 45 degree angle, perhaps more depending on the camera angle.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/glsdb-norway-saab-768x432.jpg

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Originally Posted By GTLandser:
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:


Could you elaborate? Effective for what?

Advertised range of GLSDB is 150km.   To hit the kerch bridge with them, they'd have to be fired from practically the shoreline of the sea of azov.

To hit supply depots, command centers, transportation infrastructure etc in the land bridge, they're already in range of GLSDB.  

Mariupol is only 76km from Vuhledar.
Berdyansk is 105km from Huliapole.
The last road to the south of Melitopol before you reach the coast is 85km from Piatykhatky or Robotyne.

Likewise, all the bridges on the north side of crimea are already within that 150km range.

Is that 150km assumption wrong?  Seems like the only place where an additional 10 miles would make a difference to GLSDB is the Kherson area.  Where a bit closer gives them more options on where to fire from in order to hit bridges on the north side of crimea.   But then again, that doesn't seem likely because wouldn't it require moving HIMARs across the river with no quick way to get them back if needed?  That seems like an incredibly risky move to me.

I get that you don't want to drive HIMARs right up to the line of contact to use them.  But still... seems like they're already well away from the front to be able to still hit anywhere they need to in the land bridge.


@Mach, @AeroE, could you please come in here and cure us of our (including my own) ignorance please? Subject was GLSDB, debate was, which launch/flight profile yields most range.

I am no engineer, but I grok  that the rocket part and the wing part do different things. Shoot rocket straight up, glide vehicle has highest altitude, but not necessarily most range.

Angle the rocket part at 45*, and you get more lateral range, but maybe the flying bits can't go as far due to intervening terrain.

And so on...

So guys, assuming a flat surface (haha) what do those trade-offs actually look like?

This post brought to you by the US public education system and the decline of knowledge in basic physical principles (including my own).




For one of the tests, they hit a sea target at 130km you can see the angle of the launch for that here.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1183820804037009411


https://www.thedefensepost.com/2019/10/15/saab-boeing-ground-launched-small-diameter-bomb-sea-target-test/


Looks about 45 degree angle, perhaps more depending on the camera angle.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/glsdb-norway-saab-768x432.jpg




How many GLSDB's did we provide them?  and are they using them to great effect?
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 12:53:08 AM EST
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maybe a big bomber quadcopter
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Originally Posted By stone-age:
What is falling in the first one or two seconds of this video?


maybe a big bomber quadcopter



Looks like roofing material falling down after being blown into the air
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 12:56:49 AM EST
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Ladies and gentlemen, the solution for mud season!








Link Posted: 8/25/2023 1:03:50 AM EST
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Russian TG
Not going well for Russians in Kherson.


08/25/2023
Kherson region, Russia.

205 brigade.

Right now, our boys are crumbling on the island. Everything you can.
Guys give goals video goals no one works.
The guys identify targets, lead, send coordinates, but the information does not go beyond the head of intelligence.
The company commander with the soldiers tried to advance to evacuate the guys.
They were stopped. The company commander was sent to a psychiatric hospital by force - under the pretext - no one is there.
The whole company stood up for the company commander and now they are being threatened with criminal charges.
Two more commanders who supported were closed.
The guys were brought to the island yesterday afternoon - right under the fixation by the enemy.
The brigade commander is afraid to report the current situation to the top.

(pictured) - another appeal from one of the fighters of the brigade.

@romanov_92

https://t.me/romanov_92/41439



They wrote from the 205th brigade, asking for help about the arbitrariness that is going on there. I checked with my sources, the information was confirmed to me. Colleagues also wrote about it:

https://t.me/romanov_92/41439
https://t.me/dva_majors/24257
https://t.me/rosgvardeez/4931
https://t.me/Separ13_13/18117

The presence of a conflict and problems was also confirmed by the "Call sign" Ossetian "https://t.me/osetin20/6983

I ask the DVKR to check and take action.

https://t.me/RSaponkov/5832


13th, who was or is in the 205th-

You either take off your shoulder straps - and go to hell, or let us fight normally, we want, we love our Motherland, unlike you.
https://t.me/Separ13_13/18112

They wouldn't appreciate it if I gave up. Now I will gnaw fucking crests and enemies of my country with my teeth, yes, write it down. Traitors of the Motherland including. That's the kind of creature I am. Nice to meet you.
https://t.me/Separ13_13/18116



Member of the 205th-

Push.
I support the 13th.
It's a pity that the guys were lost on the islands.
They threw it upstairs for the sake of the report.
And stupidly lost lives are a plus to the statistics of losses.


2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣
https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1110

Given the rigidity and formalism of our army, sending the best fighters to die on the islands is a way to cover up your .. shoulder straps.
In the event of a breakthrough by the enemy, one can always refer to the shortage of personnel.


2️⃣0️⃣5️⃣
https://t.me/mototroopers_205/1114



08/25/2023
Kherson region, Russia.

According to verified information:

The investigation, the prosecutor's office and the apparatus of the DVKR are already going to "visit" the command of 205.

Thanks for the reaction!

I think that the first priority is to provide fire support for the guys from the brigade on the island. They have identified their goals.

/ I ask the Fighters from the 205th brigade to inform me about the progress of the process in the @Romanov_Lite_bot bot. Confidentiality. If there is an invoice, it will be immediately sent to the DVKR.


https://t.me/romanov_92/41443

Link Posted: 8/25/2023 1:04:46 AM EST
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Russia continues to be stupid. Shoigu is inept. They have purged most of the generals who were capable.

Just three strategic errors that will cost them dearly:
1)  Allowed Prigozhin to make a big deal of Bakhmut which was topographically weak and heavily fortified. And it is strategically irrelevant, unless it was one side of a giant pincer movement but both faltered so just stupid. Over 10% of their totally casualties were depleted there.

2) massive misapplication of long range munitions on civilian areas. What if even 1/4 of all those missiles had blasted Vulhedar instead?

3). Shifting of large forces to northern front toward Kharkiv hoping for a breakthrough before Ukraine makes in in the south. Again, almost irrelevant in comparison to Crimea. This is becoming yet another massive kill zone like Vuhledar. They have lost their initial surge gains and now don’t have reserves to reinforce the south.

Judging by results one might be tempted to conclude empire intrigue and Budanov has Shoigu as an asset disrupting the Russian army. But no, Shougu has zero military experience. He is truly this stupid.

The fact he isn’t shot for harming the war effort demonstrates this war is about internal politics and loyalty and only secondarily about winning. NATO rates a distant third concern.

We are so lucky Putin like Shoigu and that he is so stupid! 😂😂😂

Lots more could be said!
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 1:14:31 AM EST
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In WW1 the artillery corps would layer their artillery and the smaller stuff would move up while the larger stuff hung back during real advances (Captain Harry S Truman(I think he was a Cpt at the time) and his company did this during the Meuse-Argonne Offensive). I wonder, given the plethora of calibers and types, if such a tactic would work well here.

Link Posted: 8/25/2023 1:27:18 AM EST
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Not sure when Sweden officially enters NATO but good attitude to move things along. I am assuming they are figuring once in NATO they can get by for a couple of years until they get F-35.
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Perhaps broader support. I am surprised they have 100. No indication how many might go to Ukraine. But it would have to be 20 or more to make it worthwhile.
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 1:31:22 AM EST
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In WW1 the artillery corps would layer their artillery and the smaller stuff would move up while the larger stuff hung back during real advances (Captain Harry S Truman(I think he was a Cpt at the time) and his company did this during the Meuse-Argonne Offensive). I wonder, given the plethora of calibers and types, if such a tactic would work well here.

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Originally Posted By RockNwood:

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In WW1 the artillery corps would layer their artillery and the smaller stuff would move up while the larger stuff hung back during real advances (Captain Harry S Truman(I think he was a Cpt at the time) and his company did this during the Meuse-Argonne Offensive). I wonder, given the plethora of calibers and types, if such a tactic would work well here.


Yeah and how wide a salient do you need to reduce flank attack by artillery? Very complex situation.
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 1:41:24 AM EST
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CONFIRMED!
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 1:58:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
CONFIRMED!
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Succeeded?
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 2:01:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
New 1420 video, exploring the quote "when a government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny." They pinned a comment to post the level of participation in the interviews. While there is obviously some reticence to participate in interviews, and some commenters obviously temper their comments for fear of repression, a 13% participation rate for random street interviews isn't awful. More concerning is the extent to which people accept that they live in a repressive regime. Like many of his other videos, this is urban, young Russians in Moscow.

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The sad thing is that the quote is something someone on the Internet randomly made up sometime in the last couple of decades and doesn't have any real connection to our Founding Fathers or any philosophers who gave this country inspiration for the cause of liberty.
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 2:18:27 AM EST
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Possibly more bombers hit?!  Wow.

With short video of flashes
Link Posted: 8/25/2023 2:19:52 AM EST
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Wagner model will remain in Africa after Prigozhin's death

Despite the reported death of the Russian mercenary boss Yevgeny Prigozhin, Moscow has every interest in continuing his Wagner paramilitary group's activities in Africa, experts told AFP on Thursday.

Russia has been outsourcing activities in Africa to Wagner since 2014.

On the security front, Wagner fighters have been deployed alongside the national armies of Libya, the Central African Republic and Mali.

In terms of politics, the group has conducted disinformation and destabilisation campaigns.

On the commercial front, it exploits mineral resources in several African states.

Analysts say the Kremlin has no interest in ending these activities.

One of Prigozhin's last appearances on camera was footage broadcast Monday of him in camouflage fatigues and an assault rifle saying he was in Africa and working for Russia's future.

It was his first filmed appearance since he led his brief revolt against the Kremlin in June.

Even before reports of his death, analysts were considering the possible implications of the mutiny.

- A 'delicate' succession -

With or without Wagner, "Russia wants to keep its business and security interests in Africa," Rama Yade, Africa director of the US think tank Atlantic Council, told AFP. "It is a primary goal."

The Kremlin has other channels of influence on the African continent, which lies at the centre of a bitter strategic battle between world powers.

These range from embassies to private investors and Russian-owned companies, from television channels to Orthodox churches.

These have helped propel Wagner's successes in Africa, said Lou Osborn, a Wagner expert and co-author of a forthcoming book on the mercenary group.

"Wagner is the vehicle of Russian neocolonialism and there is no reason for it to stop," said Joseph Bendounga, an opposition politician in the Central African Republic.

But wresting control of Prigozhin's complex organisation will not be an easy task.

"The Kremlin has no intention of surrendering Prigozhin's positions in Africa," said Peter Rough, analyst at the Hudson Institute.

"But the transfer of those operations from Prigozhin to a successor will be a delicate matter."

- Difficult to replace -

The Soufan Center, a think tank based in New York, has pointed out that "as Russian President Vladimir Putin himself admitted recently, not even the Kremlin truly understands the complex system Yevgeny Prigozhin operated".

John Lechner, an independent researcher who is writing book on the mercenary army, made a similar point.

"Replacing Wagner personnel in Africa would require finding new personnel who have the networks and experience that keep operations going," he said. "This is unlikely."

In the Central African Republic, for example, Wagner has grown steadily in influence since its arrival in 2017, going so far as to organise a referendum in July on rewriting the country's constitution.

"It may well be that some of the key figures representing (Wagner)... will remain in their posts, not least because they have the network and institutional knowledge that keeps operations in CAR going," said Lechner.

But Prigozhin's reported death leaves a key post vacant -- and those shoes are not easy to fill, analysts said.

"There will surely be a lot of personalities who will try to express their willingness to take care of these difficult activities, provided they are appropriately financed," said Russian investigative journalist Denis Korotkov.

"But they will surely be inferior to Prigozhin," he added.

- Wagner 'the only option' -

The stakes are high for some of Wagner's partners.

Critics of the force's presence in Africa, such as France and the United States, accuse it of functioning as a kind of life insurance for regimes such as the military rulers in Mali.

"Wagner is a product of the state's lack of capacity and interest to project official military force in Africa," said Lechner.

That issue still exists, and there are no other private armies who can assume that role, he added.

There is no alternative for African governments who do not want to work with the West, said Lechner. "Wagner is still the only option."

But Fidele Gouandjika, special advisor to Central African President Faustin Archange Touadera, was unruffled by the recent dramatic developments.

"It will change nothing on the ground," he said.

"We have a defence agreement with the Russian Federation and it's in the framework of that agreement that the Russian Federation sub-contracted with the paramilitaries of Wagner."


https://www.ntv.co.ug/ug/news/international/wagner-model-will-remain-in-africa-after-prigozhin-s-death-4346710

Link Posted: 8/25/2023 2:20:14 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/25/2023 2:29:06 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/25/2023 2:31:10 AM EST
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Wagner Boss Prigozhin Still Alive? Drone Attack On Russia, US To Train Ukrainian Pilots on F-16 Jets


Now they are saying, Old Puty and Prego worked together to fake his death.

Link Posted: 8/25/2023 2:36:43 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/25/2023 2:56:51 AM EST
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Yeah, I'll believe Prigozhin's still alive before I'll believe that.

Link Posted: 8/25/2023 4:26:47 AM EST
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Some context from opensanctions.org
Yan Petrovskiy is the leader and commander of the Russian paramilitary group ‘Task Force 'Rusich’, which maintains links to Russian private military company Wagner Group, possibly operating as a sub-unit of Wagner. Task Force ’Rusich’ is participating in combat alongside Russia’s military in the war of aggression against Ukraine. ‘Rusich’ has a long history of fighting alongside Russiabacked proxies in the Donbas region of Ukraine. In 2015, ‘Rusich’ mercenaries were accused of, and filmed, committing atrocities against deceased and captured Ukrainian soldiers.

—  Swiss SECO Sanctions/Embargoes, 2023-04-20
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Link Posted: 8/25/2023 4:54:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By stone-age:
What is falling in the first one or two seconds of this video?

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Daenerys?

Link Posted: 8/25/2023 5:15:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Dracster:

It looks like a tent, or some metal roofing...or a dragon.
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After watching again I am changing my answer to dragon.
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