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Posted: 1/30/2024 7:15:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: In this case, they aren't tungsten pellets. This is old 70's and 80's technology. It is a small grenade like munition that has some capability to penetrate armor, and a fragmentation. So each bomblet throws frag around in a random manner. https://www.moore.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/2014/oct_dec/images/Jacobson1.png https://www.twz.com/uploads/2023/07/06/dpicm-cutaway.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beiD1IpRtvYhttps://www.twz.com/uploads/2023/07/07/dpicm-functioning.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1440 Now the new stuff, we can make standard 155mm with "Enhanced Lethality" Which means we can put on a jacket of 100,000 tungsten pellets to increase the effect of a standard HE round, or make new submunitions, there are options. Very similar to the tungsten version of the Himars round vs. the standard version. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqwwhUoXgAAoSTf?format=jpg&name=large Also, we can put a precision guidance fuze on each shell to make them guided, almost like an Excalibur round, so we don't need nearly as many rounds to kill the target. https://www.edrmagazine.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Future-Artillery-2020-02-12.jpg https://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-looking-for-new-long-range-precision-artillery-ammunition-2023-9 You guys are worried about us making enough toy drones while we fire 80 mile range smart artillery that identifies and goes after the targets on its own. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By doc540: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Tell me again how many tungsten balls are in one of those cluster shells. For every dust puff in the circle there are how many more pieces not seen? thnx In this case, they aren't tungsten pellets. This is old 70's and 80's technology. It is a small grenade like munition that has some capability to penetrate armor, and a fragmentation. So each bomblet throws frag around in a random manner. https://www.moore.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/2014/oct_dec/images/Jacobson1.png https://www.twz.com/uploads/2023/07/06/dpicm-cutaway.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beiD1IpRtvYhttps://www.twz.com/uploads/2023/07/07/dpicm-functioning.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1440 Now the new stuff, we can make standard 155mm with "Enhanced Lethality" Which means we can put on a jacket of 100,000 tungsten pellets to increase the effect of a standard HE round, or make new submunitions, there are options. Very similar to the tungsten version of the Himars round vs. the standard version. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqwwhUoXgAAoSTf?format=jpg&name=large Also, we can put a precision guidance fuze on each shell to make them guided, almost like an Excalibur round, so we don't need nearly as many rounds to kill the target. https://www.edrmagazine.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Future-Artillery-2020-02-12.jpg https://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-looking-for-new-long-range-precision-artillery-ammunition-2023-9 C-DAEM shells are expected to be autonomous, using on-board sensors to detect, identify, and home in on targets rather than relying on GPS signals, which can be jammed, or a human observer tasked with the difficult and dangerous task of painting the target with a laser designator. If it works as designed, a C-DAEM round could be launched into a high-traffic area deep in enemy territory to hunt armor or be used closer to the front to support friendly troops. A 2017 Army request for information required "the projectile and its payload to operate in GPS Denied/Degraded conditions and perform in high target location error (TLE) environments." A 2018 Army notice specified the round should be able to reach ranges of roughly 14 miles to 81 miles on "a modern, high-intensity battlefield" and be "capable of defeating stationary and moving armored vehicles" that "may be poorly located (target location error of 50-2000 meters) or moving." The round should be able to defeat an armored vehicle's mobility or ability to fire "across the full range of environmental conditions and in the presence of cyber, jamming, and obscurant countermeasures," the 2018 notice said. You guys are worried about us making enough toy drones while we fire 80 mile range smart artillery that identifies and goes after the targets on its own. A small UAS with an 80 mile range isn't that hard to do (having designed, built, and flown a few). Having it correctly identify and prosecute a target autonomously is. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 7:20:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: In this case regarding Ukraine, you are right, there are undisclosed numbers of Polish Warmate and custom Switchblade variants among other types that are sent to Ukraine, I know it numbers in the thousands. I think a part of the problem of making very cheap fpv drones comes from Ukrainian forces buying up over 60% of the commercial drone market supplies and sub assemblies to make them. Everything from the West is going to be much more expensive at that point, and since Russian EW is not able to wipe the skies clear of the cheap drones, why not keep using them? Our problems are different, but it would be great to see larger production of cheap drone systems that Ukraine could use without fear of escalation that the West is so concerned about. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By doc540: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Tell me again how many tungsten balls are in one of those cluster shells. For every dust puff in the circle there are how many more pieces not seen? thnx In this case, they aren't tungsten pellets. This is old 70's and 80's technology. It is a small grenade like munition that has some capability to penetrate armor, and a fragmentation. So each bomblet throws frag around in a random manner. https://www.moore.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/2014/oct_dec/images/Jacobson1.png https://www.twz.com/uploads/2023/07/06/dpicm-cutaway.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beiD1IpRtvYhttps://www.twz.com/uploads/2023/07/07/dpicm-functioning.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1440 Now the new stuff, we can make standard 155mm with "Enhanced Lethality" Which means we can put on a jacket of 100,000 tungsten pellets to increase the effect of a standard HE round, or make new submunitions, there are options. Very similar to the tungsten version of the Himars round vs. the standard version. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqwwhUoXgAAoSTf?format=jpg&name=large Also, we can put a precision guidance fuze on each shell to make them guided, almost like an Excalibur round, so we don't need nearly as many rounds to kill the target. https://www.edrmagazine.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Future-Artillery-2020-02-12.jpg https://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-looking-for-new-long-range-precision-artillery-ammunition-2023-9 C-DAEM shells are expected to be autonomous, using on-board sensors to detect, identify, and home in on targets rather than relying on GPS signals, which can be jammed, or a human observer tasked with the difficult and dangerous task of painting the target with a laser designator. If it works as designed, a C-DAEM round could be launched into a high-traffic area deep in enemy territory to hunt armor or be used closer to the front to support friendly troops. A 2017 Army request for information required "the projectile and its payload to operate in GPS Denied/Degraded conditions and perform in high target location error (TLE) environments." A 2018 Army notice specified the round should be able to reach ranges of roughly 14 miles to 81 miles on "a modern, high-intensity battlefield" and be "capable of defeating stationary and moving armored vehicles" that "may be poorly located (target location error of 50-2000 meters) or moving." The round should be able to defeat an armored vehicle's mobility or ability to fire "across the full range of environmental conditions and in the presence of cyber, jamming, and obscurant countermeasures," the 2018 notice said. You guys are worried about us making enough toy drones while we fire 80 mile range smart artillery that identifies and goes after the targets on its own. At least toy drones have a chance of getting to Ukraine. Our amazing tech will never get there, Patriot being an exception perhaps because it is decades old. I would love to see what US top tier munitions and weapons could do against the massed Soviet era weapons of Russia. Anyway your posts are truly amazing. I half expect to see Amazon links embedded so I can “buy now”! Want!!! In this case regarding Ukraine, you are right, there are undisclosed numbers of Polish Warmate and custom Switchblade variants among other types that are sent to Ukraine, I know it numbers in the thousands. I think a part of the problem of making very cheap fpv drones comes from Ukrainian forces buying up over 60% of the commercial drone market supplies and sub assemblies to make them. Everything from the West is going to be much more expensive at that point, and since Russian EW is not able to wipe the skies clear of the cheap drones, why not keep using them? Our problems are different, but it would be great to see larger production of cheap drone systems that Ukraine could use without fear of escalation that the West is so concerned about. There may be a happy medium in there somewhere, similar to "export" versions of the big iron stuff. If we had the will (we have the ability) to scale up production of relatively less expensive sUAS, it would make a lot of sense to do that. But, you have to invest in the entire supply chain all the way from rare-earth metals (for the magnets in the electric motors) all the way to the sensor chips, carbon fiber, etc. Right now, I see some effort being put into getting new entrants into DoD contracting but virtually none in setting the groundwork for the supply chain. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 7:26:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I don’t think autonomous FPV drones can completely replace piloted FPVs. Even if there is a place for AI for terminal guidance to get around LOS problems, you probably need a pilot to set conditions and approach. Yes there are a good percentage of instances (i.e. vehicle crossing open ground) an AI could make an effective attack. However, if you watch a lot of video, there are also many instances showing a human pilot doing stuff that no AI could do, yet. Beyond that, I think some of the typically unseen factors in FPV attacks need to be considered. FPV attacks may look grossly like “a munition dives on the target and blammo,” but this is misleading. 99.9% of FPV videos don’t capture that the FPV pilot was probably briefed on the mission, probably is extremely familiar with the area and its challenges, and probably is being actively coached by a spotter pilot with a much better camera and relatively long-term situational awareness. Take these away and FPV effectiveness IMO goes to shit. After watching a lot of FPV footage it’s easy to distinguish newbs from pros. Some of those guys are fuckin’ artists. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By METT-T: Originally Posted By RockNwood: He really highlights the disparity of drone production. The West apparently has not taken the reality of FPV drones to heart. After a year of intense use is there a single defense manufacturer, let alone several, that have jumped into producing 100,00 or 50,000 or even 10,000 drones per month? Including the engine and electronics? Has a single western nation even asked its defense contractors to come up with designs and production plans for such? As he points out, the West is still far behind the curve on artillery shells. NOBODY in power is taking it seriously this is the start of WW3 unless Russia is stopped decisively now. They are all thinking post-Ukraine as if that is some normal world state much like today!!! This is the DOD's horse: https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3657609/defense-innovation-official-says-replicator-initiative-remains-on-track/ I don't know if it makes sense to invest heavily in future FPV design and production. We may see a sharp decrease in the utility of FPV drones before this war ends. Autonomous drones are going to make them obsolete. I have faith in the MIC. I don’t think autonomous FPV drones can completely replace piloted FPVs. Even if there is a place for AI for terminal guidance to get around LOS problems, you probably need a pilot to set conditions and approach. Yes there are a good percentage of instances (i.e. vehicle crossing open ground) an AI could make an effective attack. However, if you watch a lot of video, there are also many instances showing a human pilot doing stuff that no AI could do, yet. Beyond that, I think some of the typically unseen factors in FPV attacks need to be considered. FPV attacks may look grossly like “a munition dives on the target and blammo,” but this is misleading. 99.9% of FPV videos don’t capture that the FPV pilot was probably briefed on the mission, probably is extremely familiar with the area and its challenges, and probably is being actively coached by a spotter pilot with a much better camera and relatively long-term situational awareness. Take these away and FPV effectiveness IMO goes to shit. After watching a lot of FPV footage it’s easy to distinguish newbs from pros. Some of those guys are fuckin’ artists. Back in the day, they used to call the last little bit to the target as using "terminal guidance". IMHO, that's a good place for AI. Have the human on the loop, designate the target, and the drone takes it from there. If you get video all the way to boom, then you know what you hit. If you lose link, the drone will do its best to hit what you were aiming at. FPV lets you do aerobatics that AI wouldn't be able to replicate. The drawback is obviously the control link is vulnerable. I have a friend that does FPV flying in parking garages in downtown on the weekends. Insane antics. It is definitely an art form in the advanced league. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 7:29:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Except they’re slow as dirt and any RPG-7 would brew them up. Probably true, with a good hit in the right place but much MUCH better than an M113 or HMMV that the UA is forced to use for assaults against defended positions. Since the US is too stupid, corrupt or weak to send OUR tanks, Ukrainians will have to risk their lives in sub-par tanks to defend US. Like I said, a fucking M4 Sherman is better than a HMMV or boots. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 7:32:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: That was the beginning of one had tied behind our back wars. It made the commies look better when we played limited warfare. It's fucking stupid. I feel very lucky to have participated in one of the few exceptions. DS#1. Full effort, at least for a while. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 7:50:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Ukraine will get how many? 12? 15?  Probably single digits... |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 7:58:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Area of impacts is about 1 - 3 km long and up to 1 - 1.5 km wide, accuracy up to 3 km! Just a waste of ammo and aircrafts. (Orc source, posted here IIRC) Grad is way more accurate. It would seem more accurate since the GRAD is stationary and (assuming) from a known/fixed location rather than flying and zooming along. And no, I don not volunteer to fly and fire them directly at RU positions for "pinpoint" accuracy... |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 8:57:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: I’m amazed at how much that looks like a Bond Villain lair. Yeah but it's not surrounded by liquid hot magma, and no sharks with frickin Lazer beams 
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:05:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: I'm of the opinion that Ukraine is much more likely to achieve their goal of 100k drones per month than the rooskies. I say that because it occurs to me that ChinaIsAsshoe is selling to both sides. And, they are very particular about what chips/avionics/etc they are selling to the Russians. Ukraine has access to EU components and other western producing nations (US, Japan, Australia, Korea, Canada, Mexico, etc.) as well that Russia doesn't. While Russia supposedly has this vast industrial complex, it is irrelevant to the production of drones. It's the same reason why LockMart isn't going to turn their Ft. Worth factory into a drone maker. It makes no sense for a company with a mile-long bomber plant to be making meter-long aircraft. And, the Russian version of that is compounded by the graft and corruption that scales with size. Bigger factory/production, more graft and corruption. Chris Anderson (founder of 3D Robotics amongst other things) had a really good talk on scaling drone production years ago where he talked about the supply chain. I'll see if I can find that talk and/or his chart where he laid out the problem 3DR had with scaling up their manufacturing to compete against DJI. Bottom line back then was ChinaIsAsshoe was the only place with enough capacity to scale and priority was given to Chinese companies (like DJI) first, leaving everyone else to fight over what was left. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA7LZgX21sgLatest assessment from Col. Reisner. English subtitels are available.  He really highlights the disparity of drone production. The West apparently has not taken the reality of FPV drones to heart. After a year of intense use is there a single defense manufacturer, let alone several, that have jumped into producing 100,00 or 50,000 or even 10,000 drones per month? Including the engine and electronics? Has a single western nation even asked its defense contractors to come up with designs and production plans for such? As he points out, the West is still far behind the curve on artillery shells. NOBODY in power is taking it seriously this is the start of WW3 unless Russia is stopped decisively now. They are all thinking post-Ukraine as if that is some normal world state much like today!!! I'm of the opinion that Ukraine is much more likely to achieve their goal of 100k drones per month than the rooskies. I say that because it occurs to me that ChinaIsAsshoe is selling to both sides. And, they are very particular about what chips/avionics/etc they are selling to the Russians. Ukraine has access to EU components and other western producing nations (US, Japan, Australia, Korea, Canada, Mexico, etc.) as well that Russia doesn't. While Russia supposedly has this vast industrial complex, it is irrelevant to the production of drones. It's the same reason why LockMart isn't going to turn their Ft. Worth factory into a drone maker. It makes no sense for a company with a mile-long bomber plant to be making meter-long aircraft. And, the Russian version of that is compounded by the graft and corruption that scales with size. Bigger factory/production, more graft and corruption. Chris Anderson (founder of 3D Robotics amongst other things) had a really good talk on scaling drone production years ago where he talked about the supply chain. I'll see if I can find that talk and/or his chart where he laid out the problem 3DR had with scaling up their manufacturing to compete against DJI. Bottom line back then was ChinaIsAsshoe was the only place with enough capacity to scale and priority was given to Chinese companies (like DJI) first, leaving everyone else to fight over what was left. Great info and I’d be interested in that supply chain article if you can find it again. It just seems this is not a temporary surge issue. This is a new type of mass produced weapon. How hard can it be for a large company to set up a new facility like Rheinmetal is doing for shells? Manufacture a few sizes of motors and actuators, and buy the cheap electronic components to make their own boards? The plastic parts ought to be no brainer. If the US promised to by 1 million of various models over the next five years? Yeah it may cost more than Chinesium Copter but doesn’t every weapon? So what if they cost $2000 instead of $400? $2B would buy that 1 million. Throw in $5 B for the startup. I may be screwy but it seems this is a viable commercial enterprise well with the capacity of several nations to invest in. This is like setting up the first factory to make Jennys. It isn’t the highest tech or the end all solution but after you get a foundation fleet pumped out it opens lots more development and expansion. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:10:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I feel very lucky to have participated in one of the few exceptions. DS#1. Full effort, at least for a while. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By lorazepam: That was the beginning of one had tied behind our back wars. It made the commies look better when we played limited warfare. It's fucking stupid. I feel very lucky to have participated in one of the few exceptions. DS#1. Full effort, at least for a while. That was a superlative effort until daddy Bush stopped it short. We can’t be too successful and actually defeat someone can we? We must always work towards a ceasefire before victory. But the military shone brightly! |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:21:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:23:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Probably single digits... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Ukraine will get how many? 12? 15? Probably single digits... I thought the entire point of these were that they easily could be supplied in quantity. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:26:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Such a vehicle would be good for picking up girls in Minsk! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41727/IMG_0604_jpeg-3113105.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Such a vehicle would be good for picking up girls in Minsk! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41727/IMG_0604_jpeg-3113105.JPG Now I feel old. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:29:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By darkd0r: Did we ever mine Hanoi harbor or attack shipping in the harbor? Haiphong is the main harbor for the North, and yes we did mine it. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:29:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: That was the beginning of one had tied behind our back wars. It made the commies look better when we played limited warfare. It's fucking stupid. I read somewhere that Lyndon Johnson himself hand picked the targets himself from the Oval Office, our pilots aren’t allowed to destroy airplanes on the ground etc.. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:34:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFFVHSgXQAA56yo?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFE2KFeXkAAZzpz?format=jpg&name=medium That would be great. But Kuwait has T-90s on order, or was planning to buy them. I doubt they would transfer them to Ukraine unless they are prepared to scrap any future T-90 purchase. They also have BMP-3s and service and spares might become a problem. They also use Abrams and Bradley. Maybe we convinced them to purchase another batch of those. Would be a great way to keep the production lines open, Americans employed, and get old Soviet equipment into the hands of Ukrainians. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:49:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kpacman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: That was a superlative effort until daddy Bush stopped it short. We can’t be too successful and actually defeat someone can we? We must always work towards a ceasefire before victory. But the military shone brightly! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By lorazepam: That was the beginning of one had tied behind our back wars. It made the commies look better when we played limited warfare. It's fucking stupid. I feel very lucky to have participated in one of the few exceptions. DS#1. Full effort, at least for a while. That was a superlative effort until daddy Bush stopped it short. We can’t be too successful and actually defeat someone can we? We must always work towards a ceasefire before victory. But the military shone brightly! In retrospect, Daddy Bush probably made the right call by not dethroning Hussein. Hussein ruled with a heavy hand and kept all the factional parties from misbehaving (a lot like Tito did in Yugoslavia). When W decided to take Hussein out, it lead to most of the factional fighting that is taking place and Iran's ascendancy in the region. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 9:52:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Some Russian urban combat drills https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig31QlxvZtk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2PF13ao_mY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-AyTeyROMsWatch 13 seconds into the first video. Dude on the left is shooting inches above grenade tossers arms. Almost shot his buddy a bunch of times. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:00:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Good news.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFHDPsiWQAAGF4i?format=jpg&name=900x900
It will become difficult for the Russians to get supplies of anything to the front if these are in sufficient quantities, they will crap on anything to 150km while gmlrs craps on anything to 80km. A double crappifification of Russian logistics if you will. So they can launch these 90miles away as a swarm and make Ivan say hory shit! And these are ground launched? |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:02:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: In retrospect, Daddy Bush probably made the right call by not dethroning Hussein. Hussein ruled with a heavy hand and kept all the factional parties from misbehaving (a lot like Tito did in Yugoslavia). When W decided to take Hussein out, it lead to most of the factional fighting that is taking place and Iran's ascendancy in the region. I'll say it again, because this is a common fallacy you see repeated here. Hussein came to power and immediately launched a war that killed a million people. Two years after that ended he invaded Kuwait. Saddam was one of the primary funders of Pali terrorist groups. He bought houses for the families of suicide bombers during the Second Intifada. He was not a force for stability in the ME. The Hashemite monarchy was a force for stability and Saddam helped overthrow it in Iraq. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:09:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: We also don't know how much 'NATO partners' leaned on Zaluzhny to direct the failed counteroffensive. We heard that Ukraine failed to follow advice that was given, which we don't know details about. We do know Ukraine was not given the resources/equipment needed to execute US doctrine for breaching barriers, yet they apparently were told that was what their offensive was going to be? There are a lot of moving parts here, and I'd say we don't know very much about most of them. Zaluzhny and Zelensky have the hardest jobs in the world right now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Capta: We have little real insight into what’s going on and why from here. Some generalizations which I think have been taken as fairly reliable thus far: 1)Zaluzhny and Zelensky don’t get along. 2)Zaluzhny and Syrsky don’t get along. 3)Zaluzhny has political ambitions, unknown to what end. 4)Zaluzhny said to be well-liked and very competent. 5)Syrsky said to be not well-liked and not very competent. 6)Syrsky wants Zaluzhny’s job. 7)It is in Russia’s interests to sow discord, increase discord, and present the impression of discord within Ukraine. That should always be taken into account. Now, whether the above things are true, how much they are true, or how much they represent national propaganda (Ukrainian or Russian), or internal propaganda (i.e. Zaluzhny, Zelensky, or Syrski) is a pretty interesting set of questions. My own observations: 1)Zaluzhny hasn’t shown anything directly that I know of to indicate he’s a stellar commander. He may be well-liked, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into success. 2)Given that we don’t have much direct evidence of Zaluzhny being highly competent and Syrski being incompetent, the statements we hear along these lines could also be consistent with Zaluzhny protecting his job and/or setting himself up for a run at the Presidency. 3)The 2023 counteroffensive was not well planned and ineffective for reasons we probably won’t fully know for years, however, this outcome sits on Zaluzhny’s desk. 4)The parts of the Ukrainian war effort that are showing excellent results are: the Naval/missile campaign on the Black Sea (Ukrainian Navy, SBU, and AF), the SOF/asymmetric campaign (Budyanov and probably others), the international PR/coalition effort (Zelensky), and the SAM battalions. Of course the Ukrainian ground forces as a whole deserve credit for incredible tenacity, but if we’re looking for the top performers, I think you have to look in those areas first. We also don't know how much 'NATO partners' leaned on Zaluzhny to direct the failed counteroffensive. We heard that Ukraine failed to follow advice that was given, which we don't know details about. We do know Ukraine was not given the resources/equipment needed to execute US doctrine for breaching barriers, yet they apparently were told that was what their offensive was going to be? There are a lot of moving parts here, and I'd say we don't know very much about most of them. Zaluzhny and Zelensky have the hardest jobs in the world right now. I agree that we know very, very little about who knew what and when, how decisions were made and who made them, and so on. Zaluzhny is the Army commander and responsibility sits on his desk. If conditions weren’t in place it was on him to stand up to the pressure. That said, I have little doubt that there was fuckery/incompetence/agenda going on in the relationship between the Ukrainian armed forces and western military/government. For example, IMO there is literally no way that we didn’t know what they were up against and what they had available to accomplish tasks, yet that information does not appear to have flowed to Ukraine very effectively. I think it will be many years before we know what was going on there. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:16:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: Tell me again how many tungsten balls are in one of those cluster shells. For every dust puff in the circle there are how many more pieces not seen? thnx Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Tell me again how many tungsten balls are in one of those cluster shells. For every dust puff in the circle there are how many more pieces not seen? thnx Are you thinking about the 182k in that one himars load out  HIMARS new M30A1 warhead for Ukraine - 182k Tungsten steel balls shreds everything |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:17:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Looks like a lot cheaper and perhaps more readily available materials for scaling up production. Besides its effect on armor, landing on one the helmet or in the laps will bring a new level of NSFW. Perhaps UNSFW for “Ultra?” Yow. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
For setting fire to joint ventures, dugouts, armored vehicles, and automotive equipment. If it hits a horizontal part of a lightly armored vehicle, it can burn through it. Works more reliably when dropped from low altitudes. Cost 450 UAH/piece about 12 USD Store in a dry place at room temperature"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFHYjaJW4AA40q7?format=jpg&name=medium Looks like a lot cheaper and perhaps more readily available materials for scaling up production. Besides its effect on armor, landing on one the helmet or in the laps will bring a new level of NSFW. Perhaps UNSFW for “Ultra?” Yow. That will make a good tool to drop on the branch-covered dugouts they like so much. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:20:59 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
And sick beats too. One of my faves! |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:21:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: So they can launch these 90miles away as a swarm and make Ivan say hory shit! And these are ground launched? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Good news.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFHDPsiWQAAGF4i?format=jpg&name=900x900
It will become difficult for the Russians to get supplies of anything to the front if these are in sufficient quantities, they will crap on anything to 150km while gmlrs craps on anything to 80km. A double crappifification of Russian logistics if you will. So they can launch these 90miles away as a swarm and make Ivan say hory shit! And these are ground launched? Yes, we just don't know how many are being supplied, that might be the surprise, but there are multiple production batches or runs.  Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB) - Gives revolutionary long range precision strike |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:29:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By theskuh: I thought the entire point of these were that they easily could be supplied in quantity. For Ukraine or the Xiden Asmin? |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:32:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#27]
ISW assessment for January 30th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-january-30-2024 The anticipated Russian 2024 winter-spring offensive effort is underway in the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border area. Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Head Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov stated on January 30 that the Russian offensive in Ukraine is currently ongoing and that Russian forces aim to reach the Zherebets River (in the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border area) and the administrative borders of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts.[1] Budanov forecasted that Russian forces would fail to achieve these objectives, however, and would likely be “completely exhausted” by the beginning of the spring.[2] Budanov’s statements are consistent with ISW’s observation that Russian forces have intensified offensive operations along this axis since the beginning of January 2024.[3] Russian forces have recently made tactical gains southeast of Kupyansk along the critical P07 Kupyansk-Svatove route near Krokhmalne and appear to be increasing assaults northwest and west of Krokhmalne towards the Oskil River.[4] Russian forces will likely be able to secure additional tactical-level gains in the Kupyansk area but are unlikely to be able to translate these tactical gains into wider mechanized maneuvers needed for operationally significant advances that could capture more territory in Kharkiv Oblast and push to the Luhansk and Donetsk oblast administrative borders.[5] ISW has observed that elements of the Western Military District’s 1st Guards Tank Army and 6th Combined Arms Army are active in the Kupyansk area and have been able to pursue infantry-led frontal assaults but have not shown the capacity to conduct large-scale mechanized maneuver since they were deployed to this axis over a year ago. ISW will soon publish a more detailed operational analysis of the situation on this Kharkiv-Luhansk axis.[6] |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:39:04 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By METT-T: I'll say it again, because this is a common fallacy you see repeated here. Hussein came to power and immediately launched a war that killed a million people. Two years after that ended he invaded Kuwait. Saddam was one of the primary funders of Pali terrorist groups. He bought houses for the families of suicide bombers during the Second Intifada. He was not a force for stability in the ME. The Hashemite monarchy was a force for stability and Saddam helped overthrow it in Iraq. We should have dethroned him in '91. We had 500K troops in country and had the Iraqi military on the ropes. They were done. We should have negotiated some favorable terms to Saddam and his family, 'take your billion and sit in exile in Quatar or someplace that would take him, or we keep heading into Baghdad. Instead the bottled up Iraqi army was allowed to get back North, Saddam was allowed to run his mouth and within months was violating agreements, starting trouble like killing off a bunch of Kurds. By 2003, we tried again with 1/3 the troops, few allies, and no plan. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:40:41 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yes, we just don't know how many are being supplied, that might be the surprise, but there are multiple production batches or runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP883020gE0 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Good news.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFHDPsiWQAAGF4i?format=jpg&name=900x900
It will become difficult for the Russians to get supplies of anything to the front if these are in sufficient quantities, they will crap on anything to 150km while gmlrs craps on anything to 80km. A double crappifification of Russian logistics if you will. So they can launch these 90miles away as a swarm and make Ivan say hory shit! And these are ground launched? Yes, we just don't know how many are being supplied, that might be the surprise, but there are multiple production batches or runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP883020gE0 Jesus So they could launch a whole flock of these to seek out tanks amd Badda boom! |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:45:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#30]
Another area of operations, but some here might be interested.
 https://news.usni.org/2024/01/30/pentagon-puts-out-call-for-swarming-attack-drones-that-could-blunt-a-taiwan-invasion |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:47:39 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: For Ukraine or the Xiden Asmin? For Taiwan originally but they allowed theirs to be diverted to Ukraine. Hopefully they will get enough to do some damage. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:47:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Jesus So they could launch a whole flock of these to seek out tanks amd Badda boom! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Good news.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFHDPsiWQAAGF4i?format=jpg&name=900x900
It will become difficult for the Russians to get supplies of anything to the front if these are in sufficient quantities, they will crap on anything to 150km while gmlrs craps on anything to 80km. A double crappifification of Russian logistics if you will. So they can launch these 90miles away as a swarm and make Ivan say hory shit! And these are ground launched? Yes, we just don't know how many are being supplied, that might be the surprise, but there are multiple production batches or runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP883020gE0 Jesus So they could launch a whole flock of these to seek out tanks amd Badda boom! You could hit large motor pools of parked tanks, a flight line of aircraft or helicopters, ammo dumps, be creative! Have fun!
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:48:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Great info and I’d be interested in that supply chain article if you can find it again. It just seems this is not a temporary surge issue. This is a new type of mass produced weapon. How hard can it be for a large company to set up a new facility like Rheinmetal is doing for shells? Manufacture a few sizes of motors and actuators, and buy the cheap electronic components to make their own boards? The plastic parts ought to be no brainer. If the US promised to by 1 million of various models over the next five years? Yeah it may cost more than Chinesium Copter but doesn’t every weapon? So what if they cost $2000 instead of $400? $2B would buy that 1 million. Throw in $5 B for the startup. I may be screwy but it seems this is a viable commercial enterprise well with the capacity of several nations to invest in. This is like setting up the first factory to make Jennys. It isn’t the highest tech or the end all solution but after you get a foundation fleet pumped out it opens lots more development and expansion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA7LZgX21sgLatest assessment from Col. Reisner. English subtitels are available. He really highlights the disparity of drone production. The West apparently has not taken the reality of FPV drones to heart. After a year of intense use is there a single defense manufacturer, let alone several, that have jumped into producing 100,00 or 50,000 or even 10,000 drones per month? Including the engine and electronics? Has a single western nation even asked its defense contractors to come up with designs and production plans for such? As he points out, the West is still far behind the curve on artillery shells. NOBODY in power is taking it seriously this is the start of WW3 unless Russia is stopped decisively now. They are all thinking post-Ukraine as if that is some normal world state much like today!!! I'm of the opinion that Ukraine is much more likely to achieve their goal of 100k drones per month than the rooskies. I say that because it occurs to me that ChinaIsAsshoe is selling to both sides. And, they are very particular about what chips/avionics/etc they are selling to the Russians. Ukraine has access to EU components and other western producing nations (US, Japan, Australia, Korea, Canada, Mexico, etc.) as well that Russia doesn't. While Russia supposedly has this vast industrial complex, it is irrelevant to the production of drones. It's the same reason why LockMart isn't going to turn their Ft. Worth factory into a drone maker. It makes no sense for a company with a mile-long bomber plant to be making meter-long aircraft. And, the Russian version of that is compounded by the graft and corruption that scales with size. Bigger factory/production, more graft and corruption. Chris Anderson (founder of 3D Robotics amongst other things) had a really good talk on scaling drone production years ago where he talked about the supply chain. I'll see if I can find that talk and/or his chart where he laid out the problem 3DR had with scaling up their manufacturing to compete against DJI. Bottom line back then was ChinaIsAsshoe was the only place with enough capacity to scale and priority was given to Chinese companies (like DJI) first, leaving everyone else to fight over what was left. Great info and I’d be interested in that supply chain article if you can find it again. It just seems this is not a temporary surge issue. This is a new type of mass produced weapon. How hard can it be for a large company to set up a new facility like Rheinmetal is doing for shells? Manufacture a few sizes of motors and actuators, and buy the cheap electronic components to make their own boards? The plastic parts ought to be no brainer. If the US promised to by 1 million of various models over the next five years? Yeah it may cost more than Chinesium Copter but doesn’t every weapon? So what if they cost $2000 instead of $400? $2B would buy that 1 million. Throw in $5 B for the startup. I may be screwy but it seems this is a viable commercial enterprise well with the capacity of several nations to invest in. This is like setting up the first factory to make Jennys. It isn’t the highest tech or the end all solution but after you get a foundation fleet pumped out it opens lots more development and expansion. You're right in that it's not a temporary surge issue, at least for us in the US. We need to build/rebuild an entire supply chain for all the various components. The airframes are the easy part. It's all the rest (motors, avionics, sensors, etc.) that we need to invest in the manufacturing capability to support. The recent NDAA that was passed had certain prohibitions for using federal funds to not just buying Chinese drones but drones with Chinese components as well. That was exceptionally short-sighted without a corresponding incentive to create the manufacturing infrastructure for those components that the US currently does not have. Depending on who's doing the "interpreting", that clause could cause no more fed (or fed adjacent like LEOs that use fed grant monies) drone acquisitions. Also keep in mind that the DoD will always be a "bit player" in the small drone space as their purchases are dwarfed by several orders of magnitude by the commercial marketplace. They aren't "driving" anything in that space. What they can (and should) do, is to help create companies that can manufacture components here in the US. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:51:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: You could hit large motor pools of parked tanks, a flight line of aircraft or helicopters, ammo dumps, be creative! Have fun! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Good news.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFHDPsiWQAAGF4i?format=jpg&name=900x900
It will become difficult for the Russians to get supplies of anything to the front if these are in sufficient quantities, they will crap on anything to 150km while gmlrs craps on anything to 80km. A double crappifification of Russian logistics if you will. So they can launch these 90miles away as a swarm and make Ivan say hory shit! And these are ground launched? Yes, we just don't know how many are being supplied, that might be the surprise, but there are multiple production batches or runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP883020gE0 Jesus So they could launch a whole flock of these to seek out tanks amd Badda boom! You could hit large motor pools of parked tanks, a flight line of aircraft or helicopters, ammo dumps, be creative! Have fun! Knowing Biden he’d allow them to get only 1 or 2 a month to trickle in. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:55:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Knowing Biden he’d allow them to get only 1 or 2 a month to trickle in. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ServusVeritatis: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By kbi: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Good news.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFHDPsiWQAAGF4i?format=jpg&name=900x900
It will become difficult for the Russians to get supplies of anything to the front if these are in sufficient quantities, they will crap on anything to 150km while gmlrs craps on anything to 80km. A double crappifification of Russian logistics if you will. So they can launch these 90miles away as a swarm and make Ivan say hory shit! And these are ground launched? Yes, we just don't know how many are being supplied, that might be the surprise, but there are multiple production batches or runs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP883020gE0 Jesus So they could launch a whole flock of these to seek out tanks amd Badda boom! You could hit large motor pools of parked tanks, a flight line of aircraft or helicopters, ammo dumps, be creative! Have fun! Knowing Biden he’d allow them to get only 1 or 2 a month to trickle in. We shall see, possibly by this coming weekend. I feel these could be supplied in some numbers, just because they are another glide bomb which have already been supplied to Ukraine for their aircraft, and they don't have the range of Taurus and ATACMS, the politicians will feel these are less risky for escalation. They are slotted for serial production runs. Just depends how many M26 boosters to mate with the SDB I bombs. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:56:36 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Another area of operations, but some here might be interested.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFIWLJ_WgAAcpZ2?format=jpg&name=large https://news.usni.org/2024/01/30/pentagon-puts-out-call-for-swarming-attack-drones-that-could-blunt-a-taiwan-invasion The amount of drone jetskis that private industry could pump out would probably be significant. You just have to keep them from being blown up on shore before they can be deployed. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:59:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2024 11:07:30 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Probably true, with a good hit in the right place but much MUCH better than an M113 or HMMV that the UA is forced to use for assaults against defended positions. Since the US is too stupid, corrupt or weak to send OUR tanks, Ukrainians will have to risk their lives in sub-par tanks to defend US. Like I said, a fucking M4 Sherman is better than a HMMV or boots. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Capta: Except they’re slow as dirt and any RPG-7 would brew them up. Probably true, with a good hit in the right place but much MUCH better than an M113 or HMMV that the UA is forced to use for assaults against defended positions. Since the US is too stupid, corrupt or weak to send OUR tanks, Ukrainians will have to risk their lives in sub-par tanks to defend US. Like I said, a fucking M4 Sherman is better than a HMMV or boots. HMMVs get used for that because they’re very low silhouette, relatively fast, and maneuverable. Shermans were enormously tall even in WW2. They’re armored about like a Bradley and they weigh what a Bradley does, but they’re about 30% as fast as a Bradley and an RPG-7 will pen them literally anywhere. They have gas engines and ammo stored all over the inside. Getting in a Sherman on the Ukrainian front would be a one-way ticket; I’d sooner ride in an HMMV or M113. Tanks were optimized to resist direct fire from the frontal arc. The advent of cheap and ubiquitous FPVs using cheap RPG-7 warheads means the threat is now outside spec for pretty much every tank ever made. Particularly the old ones. There was some info earlier in the war (no way to tell if it still applies) that Ukrainian T-series tanks were generally more survivable because as a policy they ONLY carried ammo in the carousel and and not carry any reserve ammo around the turret. The Russians, however, to lessen the burden on their logistical system, carried all the ammo they could and so pens much more frequently resulted in KABOOMs. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 11:08:44 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Florks: Yeah but it's not surrounded by liquid hot magma, and no sharks with frickin Lazer beams Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Florks: Originally Posted By Capta: I’m amazed at how much that looks like a Bond Villain lair. Yeah but it's not surrounded by liquid hot magma, and no sharks with frickin Lazer beams There’s a large body of water next door, so there could be sharks with lazer beams. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 11:23:18 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: In retrospect, Daddy Bush probably made the right call by not dethroning Hussein. Hussein ruled with a heavy hand and kept all the factional parties from misbehaving (a lot like Tito did in Yugoslavia). When W decided to take Hussein out, it lead to most of the factional fighting that is taking place and Iran's ascendancy in the region. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By lorazepam: That was the beginning of one had tied behind our back wars. It made the commies look better when we played limited warfare. It's fucking stupid. I feel very lucky to have participated in one of the few exceptions. DS#1. Full effort, at least for a while. That was a superlative effort until daddy Bush stopped it short. We can’t be too successful and actually defeat someone can we? We must always work towards a ceasefire before victory. But the military shone brightly! In retrospect, Daddy Bush probably made the right call by not dethroning Hussein. Hussein ruled with a heavy hand and kept all the factional parties from misbehaving (a lot like Tito did in Yugoslavia). When W decided to take Hussein out, it lead to most of the factional fighting that is taking place and Iran's ascendancy in the region. Maybe or maybe not, but we should’ve gamed out the postwar a lot better than we did. We needed to understand what our interests were, and we needed to make an active decision about whether he was going to survive or not, then followed through appropriately. |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 11:32:42 PM EDT
[#41]
Man it’s great to have experts on hand. Thanks! Drones seem to be a new strategic capability. It would be well worth the US govt to invest via incentives, no interest loans, diplomatic aid to acquire rare earth minerals etc in helping companies build that foundation of US based components. But in a mature fashion not like the wind/solar mania abuses.
The commercial market would explode and defense could focus on value add capabilities instead of the entire drone. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 12:16:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#42]
It’s a step forward. Maybe we should visit Bulgaria to see how to make lots of ammo?
All the gobbledygook translates as: 💥 𝗨𝗦 𝟭𝟱𝟱𝗺𝗺 𝘀𝗵𝗲𝗹𝗹 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗵𝗮𝘀 𝗵𝗶𝘁 𝟯𝟬,𝟬𝟬𝟬/𝗺𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗵 💥
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Posted: 1/31/2024 12:24:32 AM EDT
[#43]
Delicious!
 but Russia's export days using the Baltic and Black Seas are about to be ended. So I hope! |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 12:35:02 AM EDT
[#44]
If it stops working as well - a long-awaited digital detox will come. For the best!"
“The technical problem associated with the global DNSSEC infrastructure, which caused the unavailability of sites in the .RU zone, has been resolved. Problems with the DNS may continue for some time until the updated data is distributed throughout the domain name system,” reports the Ministry of Digital Development of the Russian Federation. It is clear that there is a version being discussed on the Internet that what happened is the result of the joint work of a number of hacker groups. 👉 ‼️GUR attacked the special communications server of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the department's social networks. As a result of the cyber attack, the exchange of information between the units of the MORF, which used the server located in Moscow, was stopped. The software was approved by the FSB of the Russian Federation as meeting the state standards of information protection. 👉 The State Services portal is not available in Moscow and most regions of the Russian Federation. 👉 There is a large-scale Internet outage in the Far East, websites do not open - Yakut news portal 14.ru 👉 Access to sites in the RU zone will be restored in the near future - Ministry of Digital Development. 👉 Websites and applications in the RU domain zone began to recover after a failure - RIA Novosti. 👉 A source from the Cheka-OGPU spoke about the global secret underground construction that took place near Moscow’s Vnukovo airport. Since the times of the USSR, this “object” has been prepared in case of a possible nuclear war. According to our source, in the area of Vnukovskoye Highway there is a top-secret facility that has existed since the times of the USSR and is disguised as an eternal construction site (“All-Russian Scientific Center for Molecular Diagnostics and Treatment”). The source says that unexpectedly this Soviet unfinished building, protected for 40 years, has come to life, but all work is being carried out only deep underground. They are solving the problem of an underground passage from the exit point to the special aircraft parking lot, and it has been decided to quickly make it possible to “fly” underground from the Kremlin to the aircraft. But, as always, we faced many problems. Very difficult soils in the Vnukovo area, problems with personnel, more precisely with an acute shortage of underground construction workers and, of course, with equipment, which is mainly made abroad. There were also problems with removing clay soil and camouflaging the work itself, but now construction is nearing completion. t.me/vchkogpu/45468 👉 It has become a little easier for Russians to register at European consulates, and some Schengen countries have become more willing to issue multiple-entry visas, the press service of the Russian Union of Travel Industry reported. The fastest way to obtain a visa is Switzerland; it is issued on average in two weeks. It takes the longest for Russians to obtain a visa at the Croatian consulate, up to two months. #Russian #Telegram #Roundup The chat is unverified. I do not endorse the views expressed, be wary of disinformation and DYOR. I monitor and translate Vatnik channels as a general mood check, so you don’t have to. Please retweet if you enjoyed this - it helps with visibility ! Buy me a Coffee if you can, to help keep my work going! 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇 👇  |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 12:41:46 AM EDT
[#45]
Stoltenvrfg has been a strong voice in NATO and globally for Ukraine. Kudos good sir!
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Posted: 1/31/2024 12:49:43 AM EDT
[#46]
Mr. Nielsen argues that, while Russia is indeed unable to launch a full-scale invasion against NATO countries, it is quite capable of attempting to break the Alliance apart. Russia is interested in establishing a new geopolitical reality in which NATO ceases to exist and Russia can have bilateral relations with each country separately, not through an "umbrella" of an alliance. Russia might start by launching a small "military operation" on just one NATO country - Northern Finland seems a possible location. The scale of the strike should be enough to "trigger" Article 5, but not large enough for a guaranteed full-scale response by the NATO forces. In that case, Russia would watch NATO's response closely. If other NATO countries (and the US, in particular) will decide that it is not necessary to get involved due to the "minor" nature of the incident, that would effectively mean that NATO Alliance is over. And that opens a lot of favorable opportunities for Russia. If, on the other hand, NATO acts clearly and decisively and shows that the Alliance is indeed willing to go to war for a small piece of "insignificant" land, it is probable that Russia will back off. What do you think about this scenario? Source: Anders Puck Nielsen/YouTube 📸: The Guardian Bolded is exactly my concern. The US is trying to find every excuse imaginable not to confront Russia as it attacks various MATO countries and even downplays the importance of Ukraine (except when Repubs give Biden cover to do nothing, then he speaks bravely). Weakness invites aggression. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 12:53:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#47]
Moar info…
 Software on that server was approved by Russian FSB as one that meets Russian state standards of information protection. The corresponding software was installed on numerous strategic objects of the Russian state sector, including military ones. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 1:04:46 AM EDT
[#48]
Video of Russians inspecting delivery of pink rubber band “tourniquets”. They can easily pull them apart into pieces. Boris, are you in for a BIG surprise right when you can least afford it.  Maybe use some of the new UA thermite to cauterize instead?!
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Posted: 1/31/2024 1:11:45 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: It’s a step forward. Maybe we should visit Bulgaria to see how to make lots of ammo? All the gobbledygook translates as: 💥 𝗨𝗦 𝟭𝟱𝟱𝗺𝗺 𝘀𝗵𝗲𝗹𝗹 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗵𝗮𝘀 𝗵𝗶𝘁 𝟯𝟬,𝟬𝟬𝟬/𝗺𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗵 💥 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_5588-3113319.jpg
I love my Bulgarian 7.62x54R ammo. Good stuff. Go Bulgaria, F Russia!!!! |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 1:19:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
[#50]
PSA: the approved method of handling Russian disinfo
 Needs to be projected at UN Security Council meetings. And NATO meetings. And tattooed on the Toad’s forehead. |
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