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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:41:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AaronR: short-sighted to assume their intentions don't extend far beyond ukraine; they have their eyes set on bigger prizes less expendable hardware. currently kept home to protect against attacks on own soil, and preserved for if and when will be needed against NATO Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AaronR: Originally Posted By martin248: What you're describing is the way a tiny country would operate, where they might only have 20 fighters and they can't take risks. Instead Russia has about 300 SU's within reach of Ukraine and a lot more elsewhere, including a good number of latest generation fighters. SU-34's escorted by a large number of SU-30's and SU-35's should be able to destroy any air resistance fairly quickly given those numbers. But they didn't do that. UKR didn't shoot them down (only a couple), they remained grounded. So either they can't for logistics reasons, didn't for incompetence reasons, or won't because they know of a real military reasons not to do so. Also, is a SU-35 really that vulnerable to a stinger? Once the big launchers are knocked out how much of a threat is that to an advanced fighter at altitude? Honest question, as I have no idea. Anyway, launching a huge ground operation before achieving air superiority just seems ridiculous to me so I am trying to understand why they would do that. Almost like the Russian military is throwing the fight, maybe because they want Putin out? short-sighted to assume their intentions don't extend far beyond ukraine; they have their eyes set on bigger prizes less expendable hardware. currently kept home to protect against attacks on own soil, and preserved for if and when will be needed against NATO Do people really believe this? Still? It's possible Putin had big invasion maps in his spank bank before the invasion, but their initial attacks failed spectacularly, and they're struggling to gain ground against Ukrainians using mostly Soviet era crap. A direct fight against NATO forces that have been fortifying positions and deploying reinforcements across the line? No way. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:42:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: If they could they would. They have tried to do these things, they had paramilitary police forces in the mix, they got killed in stalled convoys. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:43:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Do people really believe this? Still? It's possible Putin had big invasion maps in his spank bank before the invasion, but their initial attacks failed spectacularly, and they're struggling to gain ground against Ukrainians using mostly Soviet era crap. A direct fight against NATO forces that have been fortifying positions and deploying reinforcements across the line? No way. There is something very simple to explain it: The enemy gets a vote. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:45:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman: Well, a lot of people have thought "near peer" with regards to Russia meant something like that. Even myself, I figured the Russians would steamroll their way to the capital in 2 or 3 days, but pacification and victory was going to take far longer. To be fair, Russia is technically at war with NATO, in so much that Ukraine is a proxy. Both sides are currently maintaining the "fiction" to avoid escalation. How long that lasts is contingent on Putin unfortunately. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:45:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Glocked]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: This doesn't make any sense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By mcantu: It seems pretty clear that Russia is sending in it's 2nd and 3rd echelon troops as cannon fodder. The troops and vehicles they sent in in 2014 were better equipped and newer than what's been sent in so far This doesn't make any sense. If true, seems like a deliberate strategy. Sending in the weakest first, using them to tire out the Ukrainians, I’d have to imagine after a few weeks, most of Ukraine’s fighters will be hungry and tired. Would make the resistance weaker for when Russia’s Varsity team shows up. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:45:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:45:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Do people really believe this? Still? It's possible Putin had big invasion maps in his spank bank before the invasion, but their initial attacks failed spectacularly, and they're struggling to gain ground against Ukrainians using mostly Soviet era crap. A direct fight against NATO forces that have been fortifying positions and deploying reinforcements across the line? No way. Lmao who are you to say that Putin is rational and would even consider slowing down regardless of their losses? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:46:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman: Well, a lot of people have thought “near peer” with regards to Russia meant something like that. Even myself, I figured the Russians would steamroll their way to the capital in 2 or 3 days, but pacification and victory was going to take far longer. I felt their equipment was always attempting to be near peer. They have claimed that in their export materials. It is clearly not... either that or NLAWs, Javelins, and Drones are so effective they completely rewrite the rules of modern armor combat. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:46:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: That is hilarious and basically a perfect picture of what Russia sent to Ukraine. He probably wasted 25 percent of his allotted ammo on that failed mission as well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: Originally Posted By BLKVooDoo: Originally Posted By writerdeluxe2006: Russian soldier vs Ukrainian door
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FM2QkySWYAIqdWc?format=jpg&name=large That is hilarious and basically a perfect picture of what Russia sent to Ukraine. He probably wasted 25 percent of his allotted ammo on that failed mission as well.  . It'll be fun when they start going house to house.  |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:46:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: There is another option. Despite Gen Miley saying that Kyiv would fall within 72 hours, Russians knew this would be a long and brutal war and don't have any intention of stopping it. They don't care if it takes 10 years and costs 100,000 Russian lives. They are intent on retaking all of the former Russian states and are planning on at least a 5 year campaign. Probably unlikely as well, but possible. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: Originally Posted By Bassgasm: The simple answer is most likely this: They can't. Even if your nation is an economic and industrial powerhouse with a bad ass military, dealing with the scenario the Ukrainians are bringing to the table would be very difficult and costly. A nation experiencing an economic collapse with a sketchy military and soldiers that don't have will to fight? Nope. That ain't gonna work. That's why I can't sleep. The logical outcome of this event comes down to very few scenarios. A) This is a planned and coordinated effort between Russia and the West, Ukraine is just being sacrificed in a pre-negotiated deal. - Highly Unlikely B) Russia thought this would be fast and easy, and over in a few weeks. - Possible, but highly unlikely because they knew of the training of Ukrainian forces and the weapons transfers, they knew Ukrainian special forces and regular forces have planned and prepared for this invasion. C) Russia is totally fucked up and their planning, logistics, and tactics, and these losses are just indicative of where they are as a military. - Possibly true, due to their fallback and leverage of nuclear deterrence, and they accept the losses as part of a long term strategy The problem with all these scenarios, is if Russia starts losing, and they are embarrassed in the eyes of the world, and they are economically destroyed, how do they retaliate? How does Putin save face? There is another option. Despite Gen Miley saying that Kyiv would fall within 72 hours, Russians knew this would be a long and brutal war and don't have any intention of stopping it. They don't care if it takes 10 years and costs 100,000 Russian lives. They are intent on retaking all of the former Russian states and are planning on at least a 5 year campaign. Probably unlikely as well, but possible. No chance. What you describe takes a shitload of money, resources, and time. The Russians currently have basically none of the above. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:47:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: True, but it appears at least from the description that it was being used for recon. They are insanely loud, inefficient fuel hogs, difficult to throttle, hard to start. And for that matter, given the choice between pulse jet and solid fuel, solid fuel would be way cheaper for a target drone. @CS223 I wonder if they use the target drone to simply get shot at, while another drone in the distance observes where the target drone was shot at from. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:47:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: You think an S-400 is connected to the internet? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By Action45: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: Current speculation:
That's huge news if true. Don't disagree at all with those. I'll add some that other folks are considering: - What if Putin has other plans for them? (Another related action in an adjacent area like say Moldova and Romania and/or as a check on neighboring countries/NATO) - What if someone jammed Russian air defense systems? Sounds like a job for Anonymous You think an S-400 is connected to the internet? No but I also didn't think the Russians were using Baofeng radios to communicate either. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:48:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: . It'll be fun when they start going house to house. https://i.imgur.com/adBY7i0.png |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:49:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigHumidity: No but I also didn't think the Russians were using Baofeng radios to communicate either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigHumidity: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By Action45: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: Current speculation:
That's huge news if true. Don't disagree at all with those. I'll add some that other folks are considering: - What if Putin has other plans for them? (Another related action in an adjacent area like say Moldova and Romania and/or as a check on neighboring countries/NATO) - What if someone jammed Russian air defense systems? Sounds like a job for Anonymous You think an S-400 is connected to the internet? No but I also didn't think the Russians were using Baofeng radios to communicate either.  Fair point! |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:49:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lightning_P38]
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:49:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: No chance. What you describe takes a shitload of money, resources, and time. The Russians currently have basically none of the above. unless china has their backs |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:49:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By martin248: Ok, that sounds plausible. If so, the reality is that with the backing of a real superpower (TBD Russia is still one) all you wrote would be true in ANY war for ANY invader. If next month the US invaded Eastern WTFistan, and China was feeding their defenders the best man portable anti air and anti tank missiles, we'd be in the same boat. We'd be unwilling to commit F35's except for very targeted missions, and it would leave our infantry and armor exposed to drone strikes, just like theirs. Our supply lines would be equally harassed and to win we would need to commit to a meat grinder where our infantry eventually attrits theirs. So it seems that, whether all nations have caught up technologically or not, the nature of warfare has changed, and changed in a way that is teaching the Russians a very hard lesson. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By martin248: Originally Posted By Lightning_P38: Originally Posted By martin248: I think the question I have is, is this a failure of the Russian army, some gross incompetence? Or is this a technology change in the nature of warfare? If the Russian equipment just doesn't work, or the pilots are just incompetent, they should have known that when they did all those training exercises in the weeks leading up to the invasion. It's severe incompetence on many levels if they didn't know they weren't ready, or invaded even though they knew they weren't ready. Or it could be a change in the nature of war, in which case this war has two lessons: #1 Tanks are no longer relevant, and #2 Fighters are no longer relevant Because both can be destroyed be cheap man portable devices carried by infantry or by drones. Could they mount a huge aerial blitz? Sure, but they would have to expect heavy losses to critical aircraft, even if the Ukrainians are only slightly effective. Same with the tanks, the Javelin and Blame missiles are effective, portable and plentiful. The Ukrainians drones are likely deployed more like US Army smaller drones, not Air Force drones. That is decentralized and very mobile. A few hundred feet of solid tarmac or corrugated steel is all the runway they need. Any back country road will do, they can be maintained in a large barn or garage. That makes them troublesome. Ok, that sounds plausible. If so, the reality is that with the backing of a real superpower (TBD Russia is still one) all you wrote would be true in ANY war for ANY invader. If next month the US invaded Eastern WTFistan, and China was feeding their defenders the best man portable anti air and anti tank missiles, we'd be in the same boat. We'd be unwilling to commit F35's except for very targeted missions, and it would leave our infantry and armor exposed to drone strikes, just like theirs. Our supply lines would be equally harassed and to win we would need to commit to a meat grinder where our infantry eventually attrits theirs. So it seems that, whether all nations have caught up technologically or not, the nature of warfare has changed, and changed in a way that is teaching the Russians a very hard lesson. No. US troops in a major ground combat would have air support. Where do you get your info from? |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Inimicalone: Sorry my wife said I could have it for Christmas! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Inimicalone: Originally Posted By Jackal-FnM: Group buy? Sorry my wife said I could have it for Christmas!  Attached File |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:51:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: No chance. What you describe takes a shitload of money, resources, and time. The Russians currently have basically none of the above. I mean, they may have thought there would not be sanctions to this level, and they could afford the war. Who knows what Putins inner circle has been whispering to him |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:51:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7: In 2014 my platoon lost two of four MRAPs. Nobody was killed just a few concussions and one gunner burned. My truck was one of those, And my gunner got a few pretty bad burns. He spent two weeks in KAF and the other soldier and I spent a week at the FOB Med center. Other truck just had concussions and was out of action for a week. MRAPs are tough and survivable , but easy to stop, keep in mind these trucks hit IEDs/VBIEDs vs javelins or NLAWs. A javelin or Nlaw would have fucked us up, like closed casket funeral fucked up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FREEFALLE7: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: @freefalle7 Nobody was killed just a few concussions and one gunner burned. My truck was one of those, And my gunner got a few pretty bad burns. He spent two weeks in KAF and the other soldier and I spent a week at the FOB Med center. Other truck just had concussions and was out of action for a week. MRAPs are tough and survivable , but easy to stop, keep in mind these trucks hit IEDs/VBIEDs vs javelins or NLAWs. A javelin or Nlaw would have fucked us up, like closed casket funeral fucked up. Exactly. The sole purpose of an MRAP is to give the crew the best possible chance to survive a certain level of threat. They are designed for a specific job, and for the US Army, they were very good at that job. Dozens of men in my BN went home in one piece thanks to the MRAPs. The war we are watching now isn't what MRAPs are designed for. In terms of a conventional fight, they are big, easy targets. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:51:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: If true, seems like a deliberate strategy. Sending in the weakest first, using them to tire out the Ukrainians, I’d have to imaging after a few weeks, most of Ukraine’s fighters will be hungry and tired. Would make the resistance weaker for when Russia’s Varsity team shows up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By mcantu: It seems pretty clear that Russia is sending in it's 2nd and 3rd echelon troops as cannon fodder. The troops and vehicles they sent in in 2014 were better equipped and newer than what's been sent in so far This doesn't make any sense. If true, seems like a deliberate strategy. Sending in the weakest first, using them to tire out the Ukrainians, I’d have to imaging after a few weeks, most of Ukraine’s fighters will be hungry and tired. Would make the resistance weaker for when Russia’s Varsity team shows up. If they were at least providing them with fuel then maybe it would be believable. If you want your JV team to tire out the enemy, you have to at least make sure they aren't broken down on the side of the road. Pair that with the fact 70-80% are already committed, it just doesn't check out. The entire Russian army is the B team. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:52:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigHumidity: No but I also didn't think the Russians were using Baofeng radios to communicate either. are they actually using baofeng radios? or is it more likely that they are using their military radios unencrypted? Are you aware that US military radios can do the same thing, and are regularly used as such? is it possible that we are masturbating to enemy misinformation? Kinda like how we spoofed the Germans into thinking Patton was going to land in Pas-de-Calais with a fake army that didn't actually exists vice a bunch of radio operators? |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:52:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: There is something very simple to explain it: The enemy gets a vote. Exactly. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:52:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigHumidity: No but I also didn't think the Russians were using Baofeng radios to communicate either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigHumidity: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By HIPPO: Originally Posted By Action45: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: Current speculation:
That's huge news if true. Don't disagree at all with those. I'll add some that other folks are considering: - What if Putin has other plans for them? (Another related action in an adjacent area like say Moldova and Romania and/or as a check on neighboring countries/NATO) - What if someone jammed Russian air defense systems? Sounds like a job for Anonymous You think an S-400 is connected to the internet? No but I also didn't think the Russians were using Baofeng radios to communicate either. lmao, fair. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:52:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew: They are really lacking on security, those people could pull one hell of an ambush on them. If it was my town being invaded. I would at the very least have people casually drop caltrops near the tires. If I had some time, I would have everyone in the crowd with a can of coca cola. I would have some empty and filled with Al powder and FeO2, with a pull cord sparkler ignition. Have the sparkle team nonchalantly put their cans on the rears of the tracked vehicles, or hell fuck up the tracks themselves. Of course, having the krinkov boys waiting in the tree line for the teutleborg forest manuever once it gets spicy If I had the time |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:53:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Denwad: are they actually using baofeng radios? or is it more likely that they are using their military radios unencrypted? Are you aware that US military radios can do the same thing, and are regularly used as such? is it possible that we are masturbating to enemy misinformation? Kinda like how we spoofed the Germans into thinking Patton was going to land in Pas-de-Calais with a fake army that didn't actually exists vice a bunch of radio operators? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Denwad: Originally Posted By BigHumidity: No but I also didn't think the Russians were using Baofeng radios to communicate either. are they actually using baofeng radios? or is it more likely that they are using their military radios unencrypted? Are you aware that US military radios can do the same thing, and are regularly used as such? is it possible that we are masturbating to enemy misinformation? Kinda like how we spoofed the Germans into thinking Patton was going to land in Pas-de-Calais with a fake army that didn't actually exists vice a bunch of radio operators? |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:53:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Right now the entire world is betting on the Russian military ignoring Putin's launch order. That's basically what we've been betting on for 70 years. We have a heck of a parlay working. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:53:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Denwad: are they actually using baofeng radios? or is it more likely that they are using their military radios unencrypted? Are you aware that US military radios can do the same thing, and are regularly used as such? is it possible that we are masturbating to enemy misinformation? Kinda like how we spoofed the Germans into thinking Patton was going to land in Pas-de-Calais with a fake army that didn't actually exists vice a bunch of radio operators? Baofeng radios have been observed a number of times now. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:53:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Denwad: unless china has their backs They do, and that's publically stated and we will see confirmation in the coming days. The economic battle has not started, and the effects won't be felt for a few months, but the war started a few days ago. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:54:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: There are loads of things you don’t want or need to waste an NLAW on. A LAW kills all those Tigrs,MTLBs,Kamazes… Yes, but keep in mind, LAW/AT4/RPG22 have a really short range especially against moving targets or while being shot at. Successful use requires point blank range or volley fire most of the time. Javelins? Fire and forget at 2000m. That's loads safer for the operator. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:54:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glocked: If true, seems like a deliberate strategy. Sending in the weakest first, using them to tire out the Ukrainians, I’d have to imagine after a few weeks, most of Ukraine’s fighters will be hungry and tired. Would make the resistance weaker for when Russia’s Varsity team shows up. Makes sense, until you realize they send VDV and spetsnaz early on. Even if that was the case, did they plan on everyone running out of fuel and deserting? I'm thinking the C team didn't do close to what they expected. Or their whole military is the C team Or whatever |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:54:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Denwad: are they actually using baofeng radios? or is it more likely that they are using their military radios unencrypted? Are you aware that US military radios can do the same thing, and are regularly used as such? is it possible that we are masturbating to enemy misinformation? Kinda like how we spoofed the Germans into thinking Patton was going to land in Pas-de-Calais with a fake army that didn't actually exists vice a bunch of radio operators? |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:55:00 PM EDT
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Sounds like China
Russia’s Education Ministry is rolling out a special campaign to ensure that the nation, especially its schoolchildren, understand that the war in Ukraine isn’t a “war.” |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:55:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Denwad: are they actually using baofeng radios? or is it more likely that they are using their military radios unencrypted? Are you aware that US military radios can do the same thing, and are regularly used as such? is it possible that we are masturbating to enemy misinformation? Kinda like how we spoofed the Germans into thinking Patton was going to land in Pas-de-Calais with a fake army that didn't actually exists vice a bunch of radio operators? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Denwad: Originally Posted By BigHumidity: No but I also didn't think the Russians were using Baofeng radios to communicate either. are they actually using baofeng radios? or is it more likely that they are using their military radios unencrypted? Are you aware that US military radios can do the same thing, and are regularly used as such? is it possible that we are masturbating to enemy misinformation? Kinda like how we spoofed the Germans into thinking Patton was going to land in Pas-de-Calais with a fake army that didn't actually exists vice a bunch of radio operators? Yes, there's pics and videos. And the only time US military would/should go unencrypted in a combat theater is for certain aviation nets, only done so for safety since crypto can be a PITA sometimes. Tactical nets used for coordinating troops will be encrypted. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:56:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: It seems pretty clear that Russia is sending in it's 2nd and 3rd echelon troops as cannon fodder. The troops and vehicles they sent in in 2014 were better equipped and newer than what's been sent in so far But this can’t help the perception of them at all…..now weapons are pouring in. It’s not some 4D chess move even if their “A team” rushed in and took Kyiv in a day they would look dumber for not doing that in the first place. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:57:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By crownvic96: . It'll be fun when they start going house to house. https://i.imgur.com/adBY7i0.png These memes, goddamn. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:58:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HostisHumaniGeneris:  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/356999/20220302_125918-2298734.jpg Jesus titty fucking Christ.  I had to go back and read a second and third time to make sure I read it correctly. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:58:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: If it was my town being invaded. I would at the very least have people casually drop caltrops near the tires. If I had some time, I would have everyone in the crowd with a can of coca cola. I would have some empty and filled with Al powder and FeO2, with a pull cord sparkler ignition. Have the sparkle team nonchalantly put their cans on the rears of the tracked vehicles, or hell fuck up the tracks themselves. Of course, having the krinkov boys waiting in the tree line for the teutleborg forest manuever once it gets spicy If I had the time Or you could have a really bitching collection of valve cores. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:58:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: On the first couple of nights they were capturing and killing Russian sabateurs all over Kiev, many of whom were trying to destroy power stations. They have tried to do these things, they had paramilitary police forces in the mix, they got killed in stalled convoys. If they wanted that stuff blown up they could easily use a ballistic missile, airstrike, or cruise missile. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:59:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: It seems pretty clear that Russia is sending in it's 2nd and 3rd echelon troops as cannon fodder. The troops and vehicles they sent in in 2014 were better equipped and newer than what's been sent in so far Maybe that's the plan. Maybe it went like this: Gen. Sergei: Sir, our military equipment is outdated. We need to scrap most of it and invest in modern equipment. Marshall Igor: Sorry, the President has denied any budget for that. Also, he now wants us to invade Ukraine. We will need to make due with what we have. Gen. Sergei: Yes Sir! Sir, I think I know of a way to scrap our old equipment... |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:59:15 PM EDT
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Am talking with my sister in law in RU. For those concerned about money transfers, I was just told my last transfer, started 4 days ago, will be there in 9 hours, so this is still possible. I had assumed it would never arrive and no options to do this.. RU also uses an alternate to SWIFT system called Called SPFS - sistema peredachi finansovix coobshenii.. Also RUs biggest banks are not included in the SWIFT sanctions - Gazprombank and Sberbank.
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Posted: 3/2/2022 2:59:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phocks: Yes, but keep in mind, LAW/AT4/RPG22 have a really short range especially against moving targets or while being shot at. Successful use requires point blank range or volley fire most of the time. Javelins? Fire and forget at 2000m. That's loads safer for the operator. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phocks: Originally Posted By outofbattery: There are loads of things you don’t want or need to waste an NLAW on. A LAW kills all those Tigrs,MTLBs,Kamazes… Yes, but keep in mind, LAW/AT4/RPG22 have a really short range especially against moving targets or while being shot at. Successful use requires point blank range or volley fire most of the time. Javelins? Fire and forget at 2000m. That's loads safer for the operator. Yes,all true but if dynamics change and your goal is ambushing Rosvgardia MRAPs in towns there will be plenty of situations like the propaganda BMP kill. But also,there was the footage of UA SF using RPG-18 or 26 effectively on T72. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:00:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: But this can’t help the perception of them at all…..now weapons are pouring in. It’s not some 4D chess move even if their “A team” rushed in and took Kyiv in a day they would look dumber for not doing that in the first place. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By mcantu: It seems pretty clear that Russia is sending in it's 2nd and 3rd echelon troops as cannon fodder. The troops and vehicles they sent in in 2014 were better equipped and newer than what's been sent in so far But this can’t help the perception of them at all…..now weapons are pouring in. It’s not some 4D chess move even if their “A team” rushed in and took Kyiv in a day they would look dumber for not doing that in the first place. Good point, I don't think Russia would ever deliberately show this much weakness, even as a ruse. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Denwad: unless china has their backs Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Denwad: Originally Posted By Bassgasm: No chance. What you describe takes a shitload of money, resources, and time. The Russians currently have basically none of the above. unless china has their backs Xi has his little rice dick halfway up Putin's ass right now economically, but China would love to take over some resource-rich territory right next door to them. I sure wouldn't trust those fuckers if I was Putin. He's fixing to get spit roasted. |
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:01:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:02:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Good point, I don't think Russia would ever deliberately show this much weakness, even as a ruse. Putin 87D international space chess master maskirovka move
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:02:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: If they were at least providing them with fuel then maybe it would be believable. If you want your JV team to tire out the enemy, you have to at least make sure they aren't broken down on the side of the road. Pair that with the fact 70-80% are already committed, it just doesn't check out. The entire Russian army is the B team. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By mcantu: It seems pretty clear that Russia is sending in it's 2nd and 3rd echelon troops as cannon fodder. The troops and vehicles they sent in in 2014 were better equipped and newer than what's been sent in so far This doesn't make any sense. If true, seems like a deliberate strategy. Sending in the weakest first, using them to tire out the Ukrainians, I’d have to imaging after a few weeks, most of Ukraine’s fighters will be hungry and tired. Would make the resistance weaker for when Russia’s Varsity team shows up. If they were at least providing them with fuel then maybe it would be believable. If you want your JV team to tire out the enemy, you have to at least make sure they aren't broken down on the side of the road. Pair that with the fact 70-80% are already committed, it just doesn't check out. The entire Russian army is the B team. Definitely seems like it
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:02:55 PM EDT
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Wait, are Ukrainians bearing arms somehow able to thwart a modern superpower military?
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:02:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman: These memes, goddamn. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By crownvic96: . It'll be fun when they start going house to house. https://i.imgur.com/adBY7i0.png These memes, goddamn.
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Posted: 3/2/2022 3:03:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By apexcrusade: Am talking with my sister in law in RU. For those concerned about money transfers, I was just told my last transfer, started 4 days ago, will be there in 9 hours, so this is still possible. I had assumed it would never arrive and no options to do this.. RU also uses an alternate to SWIFT system called Called SPFS - sistema peredachi finansovix coobshenii.. Also RUs biggest banks are not included in the SWIFT sanctions - Gazprombank and Sberbank. Important transactions are not halted. Russia, with all its faults, usually does not default on energy transactions, it's a winning geopolitical strategy for them. |
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