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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:37:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: OH SHIT (if true)
Oh, shit! 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:38:16 PM EST
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Pretty difficult to suppress entirely passive IR missiles. Especially when it's just some random dude in a treeline standing up and shooting his wad.
The pilot has just enough time to say blyat and reach for the aidos handle. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:38:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: He said it on a news interview on like NBC or something so yes. But WILL they? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By M-1975: OH SHIT (if true)
He said it on a news interview on like NBC or something so yes. But WILL they? I know Poland will, they have been haggling with us about their replacements. I'd give them F-35's or whatever they wanted if it was up to me. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:38:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Not sure all about the hand/microphone deal with FVP (real or fake), but Zelensky had a nice troll response   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ6Rgak7WnE |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:39:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Except their cards still work inside Russia. It's the Russians that saw the writing on the wall and left before it turned into USSR 2.0 that are getting fucked by Visa and MC. Do you think this makes people want to revolt, or do you think it makes people pissed at Visa and MC and then makes them consider switching to Chinese options? I'm all about tough sanctions. They need to make sense though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By burkeva: Good. Isolate Russia economically. Between that and the Visa / mater card thing make life unbearable and the people will rise up to revolt. Except their cards still work inside Russia. It's the Russians that saw the writing on the wall and left before it turned into USSR 2.0 that are getting fucked by Visa and MC. Do you think this makes people want to revolt, or do you think it makes people pissed at Visa and MC and then makes them consider switching to Chinese options? I'm all about tough sanctions. They need to make sense though. They do make sense. Expats can't send funds back easily to their families in Russia to mitigate sanctions. Whatever funds are currently in Russia can still be spent but those are increasingly worthless. And for those who talk about punishing the people as wrong, I'd remind them that we put economic blockades on Germany during their previous European adventures and it definitely had severe impacts on the civilian population. During WW I that blockade and the subsequent civil unrest it generated directly contributed to Germany's capitulation, so it's a useful tactic. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:39:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: thesilvercord]
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Beat but damn. This is certainly a development. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:40:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pr24guy: I find this scene of this Russian Arty Battery interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlSYDdk0EFsNeeds a queue of Ukrainian farmers on tractors. Salvage everything you can and make them disappear. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:40:33 PM EST
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SD, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:40:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub: Thats a nice gesture. We'll see if any pony up. I think Poland and the rest are still unwilling. We should send poland one f16 for each mig 29 they give ukr. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:41:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheFaz: They do make sense. Expats can't send funds back easily to their families in Russia to mitigate sanctions. Whatever funds are currently in Russia can still be spent but those are increasingly worthless. And for those who talk about punishing the people as wrong, I'd remind them that we put economic blockades on Germany during their previous European adventures and it definitely had severe impacts on the civilian population. During WW I that blockade and the subsequent civil unrest it generated directly contributed to Germany's capitulation, so it's a useful tactic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheFaz: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By burkeva: Good. Isolate Russia economically. Between that and the Visa / mater card thing make life unbearable and the people will rise up to revolt. Except their cards still work inside Russia. It's the Russians that saw the writing on the wall and left before it turned into USSR 2.0 that are getting fucked by Visa and MC. Do you think this makes people want to revolt, or do you think it makes people pissed at Visa and MC and then makes them consider switching to Chinese options? I'm all about tough sanctions. They need to make sense though. They do make sense. Expats can't send funds back easily to their families in Russia to mitigate sanctions. Whatever funds are currently in Russia can still be spent but those are increasingly worthless. And for those who talk about punishing the people as wrong, I'd remind them that we put economic blockades on Germany during their previous European adventures and it definitely had severe impacts on the civilian population. During WW I that blockade and the subsequent civil unrest it generated directly contributed to Germany's capitulation, so it's a useful tactic. Lol, they already can't send funds back, this is totally different. This means if they left, they likely currently have access to NO money. People that are not within Russia can't do anything with civil unrest. This makes zero fucking sense. If they left it means they are most likely anti government. There's no point in punishing those people. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:42:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu:   US intelligence considers white nationalists in the US a serious threat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By thesilvercord: Mostly all of GD's knowledge is OSINT from social media. If it isn't, it's classified and can't be posted. The Senate Intelligence Committee gets OSINT plus the classified US intelligence services. I would bet US intelligence is the best in the world. They are more informed than us by x10000000%. US intelligence considers white nationalists in the US a serious threat. No they don't. They are lying to create a narrative. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:42:24 PM EST
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:43:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: But if that is the case, it will be no different than Ukraine. Russia will move in and wreck havoc. The people there fight back causing major Russian losses, but the end result is a destroyed country and Russia going further broke. By DECLARING that we are there and on the ground with our forces and a no fly zone is in place, it changes everything. Putin has to come in after the fact and violate the no fly, and fire on American troops. He is the one doing the escalating then, instead of us. This matters to those who have deeply studied game theory. It puts the decision on the other team. You learn where your enemies line is. We currently have no idea what that is. It is extremely important. That fact is being passed over by everyone. We don't know what Putin is thinking. Forcing him to make a decision to act or not act is paramount to understanding what he is willing to do not only in Ukraine, but worldwide. I concur. If we just keep reacting to fait accomplis, Putin will just keep pushing. We can say "European problem" as many times as we want, the reality of it is Europe is *NOT* going to stop Putin. I guess the bottom line is, how many dead non-Americans is too many? |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:43:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: I
 
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:44:02 PM EST
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What kind of Blockades in the Naval realm could we do vs Russia?
Blockade their tankers? Confiscate cargo? |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:44:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: OH SHIT (if true)
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:44:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nailcrusher: Joking aside when you see these videos of unarmed Ukrainians yelling at Russian troops it makes you realize that if that was occurring here those troops would be getting shot at from millions of well armed Americans. This is going to make a lot of folks wake up to why America has the 2nd Amendment. You are not factoring in clown world. That means the opposite is likely to happen. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:45:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lafirefighter: So Russia doesn't maintain their ICBM's and they get 12 off instead of 800, or 2200. Does it make a difference whether it's 1 or 2,200? 1 alone coming over the artic, or 8 off a sub would result in the US retaliating nearly instantly as if it were a full exchange. We aren't going to be counting how many are headed this way and retaliating with 1 for 1. They aren't flinging nukes. It would be game over for the rich guys, and they don't want it any more than you do. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:45:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Intune69: Damn, they got blown the fuck up. Russians even have bayonets on the ends of their artillery pieces! Does anyone know what those are sticking out by the muzzle brakes? FIGHT, Ukraine 🇺🇦  Tow rings. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:45:23 PM EST
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Moscow peace march.
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:45:35 PM EST
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 Attached FileWhere’s the Saint Pansarskott image? Also, not sure I’d be pointing that at my junk
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OK, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:46:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancow: No they don't. They are lying to create a narrative. I don't know. I really do believe that most in the federal bureaucracy see conservatives, especially white males, as enemy number one. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:46:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord:
Beat but damn. This is certainly a development. How’s it any different if we give them stingers or fighter jets? |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:46:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: This came out last July. I watched it a few days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf1uQF38ZeASome TL;DW from what I remember... -Russia doesn't have true multi-role aircraft, at least not in the way the West does. -Russian aircraft targeting capabilities for precision munitions are limited. Even if they had a good supply of PGMs, they'd still do a lot of their heavy lifting with unguided stuff requiring them to operate at low altitude and in range of MANPADs. -SAMs are part of Russia's air force, and Russian doctrine calls for some/most Russian fighter aircraft to primarily operate BEHIND the SAMs. -The Russians have had chronic problems keeping air crews trained and current. Combine all of those pre-war observations with the logistics and maintenance shit show that has been on display for the world, and none of what we've seen in the past week and a half is really a surprise. Thanks, I'll check it out. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:47:26 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: OH SHIT (if true)
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TN, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:47:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Im_Awake: Dupe Dude, your avatar 
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:48:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigB32: How’s it any different if we give them stingers or fighter jets? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigB32: Originally Posted By thesilvercord:
Beat but damn. This is certainly a development. How’s it any different if we give them stingers or fighter jets? Logistics of delivery. Are the NATO countries flying then into Ukraine or are Ukrainians leaving Ukraine to get them from NATO countries and flying them into Ukraine? |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:48:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: czmadness]
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Where do we find the F-16s to give? Poland doesn't want dusty block 15 jets plucked from the boneyard. You can't go to Lockmart Motors and grab something off the lot. Greenville is making block 70s but they're spoken for. Same for LM/FW. Supply chain issues are pushing deliveries to the far right. The only thing that might make sense is if Spangdalem gets forward deployed for a long period of time. Aviano is having trouble with the locals so USAF/USAFE/EUCOM might want to look at rotating for a semi-permanent presence.
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:48:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: The great majority of their violence has thus far been to the Russian speaking regions. I’m not sure,other then ignorance,as to why this is going missed. The inconvenient truth is, no one wants the russians there, not even the folks they "rescued". |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:48:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: What kind of Blockades in the Naval realm could we do vs Russia? Blockade their tankers? Confiscate cargo? It isn't needed. Every major shipping company told them to get fucked. Russia doesn't have enough shipping to do much. Even the tankers carrying their oil are foreign owned. A lot of you are forgetting how much soviet union stuff just rusted to shit on a dock somewhere. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:49:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CZ75_9MM: They need more drones, Stingers and NLAWs and people that can use them. That seems to be working really well. The problem I see with Ukraine using manned aircraft is going to be friendly fire losses and Russians using AA on them. I wouldn't want to be in a plane in that sky at all on either side at the moment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CZ75_9MM: Originally Posted By M-1975: OH SHIT (if true)
This. They will have to contend with the problem of finding airfields or roadways that haven't been bombed out by ballistic/cruise missiles on top of maintenance, fuel, armaments, etc. This is a nice public gesture, but Russians will just turn them into burning hulks if friendly fire doesn't first. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:49:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Lol, they already can't send funds back, this is totally different. This means if they left, they likely currently have access to NO money. People that are not within Russia can't do anything with civil unrest. This makes zero fucking sense. If they left it means they are most likely anti government. There's no point in punishing those people. My district saw house values scream up due to wealthy Russians from Saint Petersburg buying properties in case they needed to run for it with their money. I know of 3 in a km of me that haven’t had any signs of life since COVID started and I figured they would be here by now but they aren’t. Maybe they think it’s not far enough or it is just that weren’t able to get their money and run. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:50:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I know Poland will, they have been haggling with us about their replacements. I'd give them F-35's or whatever they wanted if it was up to me. I'd base Raptors in Poland until we could get their replacements available. Just to ease the minds of our allies. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:50:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord:
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:51:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgkeller: What are good telegraph channels for the war? If you mean telegram: https://t.me/nkplus_ua https://t.me/Tsaplienko https://t.me/SBUkr |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:52:47 PM EST
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:52:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: Logistics of delivery. Are the NATO countries flying then into Ukraine or are Ukrainians leaving Ukraine to get them from NATO countries and flying them into Ukraine? Seems like an easy problem to solve. Ukraine’s air space , they can do as they wish. Russia shouldn’t even be there and the western leaders are being pussies about Putin complaining about who is in Ukraines airspace. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:53:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: My district saw house values scream up due to wealthy Russians from Saint Petersburg buying properties in case they needed to run for it with their money. I know of 3 in a km of me that haven’t had any signs of life since COVID started and I figured they would be here by now but they aren’t. Maybe they think it’s not far enough or it is just that weren’t able to get their money and run. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Lol, they already can't send funds back, this is totally different. This means if they left, they likely currently have access to NO money. People that are not within Russia can't do anything with civil unrest. This makes zero fucking sense. If they left it means they are most likely anti government. There's no point in punishing those people. My district saw house values scream up due to wealthy Russians from Saint Petersburg buying properties in case they needed to run for it with their money. I know of 3 in a km of me that haven’t had any signs of life since COVID started and I figured they would be here by now but they aren’t. Maybe they think it’s not far enough or it is just that weren’t able to get their money and run. Good chance they weren't able to get their money. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:53:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Exactly. Russia is attacking Ukraine. Russian troops are bombing civilians. Did the sanctions imposed the last time work? Or the time before that? Why on earth would any reasonable person suggest sanctions that punish the world be imposed rather than address the problem directly. Russia’s military is killing civilians. Punish Russia’s military. Punishing Russia’s civilians is cowardly. If your neighbor was a known wife beater and you witnessed him beating his child too, would you kick his wife around to encourage her to save her kid? Or just whoop the dudes ass? |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:53:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Lol, they already can't send funds back, this is totally different. This means if they left, they likely currently have access to NO money. People that are not within Russia can't do anything with civil unrest. This makes zero fucking sense. If they left it means they are most likely anti government. There's no point in punishing those people. If they left, then why do they have cards issued by a Russian bank? And if they truly are living outside Russia and not dependent on it, why don't they open accounts issued by a non-Russian bank? Seems like a pretty easy fix for those who've left Russia and don't intend on returning. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:54:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: SoCalExile]
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:55:01 PM EST
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SU-25 would probably be a better choice at the moment. Which NATO countries got them? I don't think Poland still uses them.
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:56:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: You sure about that, there, Brand Lavoiser jr? Like, have you tried lighting a shot glass of 100P vodka on fire just to see if it will support combustion by itself without any sort of wick? Because you might get a surprise epiphany in re vodka grain neutral spirits inflammability Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: Originally Posted By Alex9661: Originally Posted By fxntime: Or people start to donate full vodka bottles and bits of cloth to their houses/apartments out of the goodness of their hearts......................  Contrary to what you can see in movies, vodka doesn't burn. You sure about that, there, Brand Lavoiser jr? Like, have you tried lighting a shot glass of 100P vodka on fire just to see if it will support combustion by itself without any sort of wick? Because you might get a surprise epiphany in re vodka grain neutral spirits inflammability I thought all alcohol (the drinking kind) burned at a 50% or higher concentration which is referred to as 100 proof? Most hard liquor sold in the US is 80 proof or 40% as a standard. You can buy vodka and other alcohols at 100 proof and higher. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:56:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/3024DCD0-B6DB-43BC-854E-CA185B6E0E3F_jpe-2303505.JPG They are D30s,towed from the muzzle Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By Intune69: Damn, they got blown the fuck up. Russians even have bayonets on the ends of their artillery pieces! Does anyone know what those are sticking out by the muzzle brakes? FIGHT, Ukraine 🇺🇦 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/3024DCD0-B6DB-43BC-854E-CA185B6E0E3F_jpe-2303505.JPG They are D30s,towed from the muzzle Thank you! I knew someone here would know the answer! And I used to think a free-floating barrel was real important!  FIGHT, Ukraine!
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:56:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/deOINby-52.gif The amount of sigint being gathered and processed is beyond the wildest imagination of anyone involved in Cold War espionage. my take as well. hell the Ruskies aren't even using encryption. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:56:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rca2222: If its true that Transnistria is ethnic Romanian, how do you think they'll react to Moldova and Ukraine attacking? There's at least a small chance Romania forces the issue if ethnic Romanians in Moldova start getting smoked. Historically speaking, Romania has made some pretty crazy plays to protect ethnic Romanians. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:58:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: It isn't needed. Every major shipping company told them to get fucked. Russia doesn't have enough shipping to do much. Even the tankers carrying their oil are foreign owned. A lot of you are forgetting how much soviet union stuff just rusted to shit on a dock somewhere. Yeah but, I want to piss putin off. I want to corner him even more, and call his "war declaration" bluff |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:59:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery:
He isn't wrong. I'd love to kill a few myself. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:59:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: MarineGrunt]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By czmadness: Where do we find the F-16s to give? Poland doesn't want dusty block 15 jets plucked from the boneyard. You can't go to Lockmart Motors and grab something off the lot. Greenville is making block 70s but they're spoken for. Same for LM/FW. Supply chain issues are pushing deliveries to the far right. The only thing that might make sense is if Spangdalem gets forward deployed for a long period of time. Aviano is having trouble with the locals so USAF/USAFE/EUCOM might want to look at rotating for a semi-permanent presence. We have a handful of F-16 units that are converting to F35s over the next couple years. I’m sure a most of those F-16s are headed to the boneyard, so maybe they could be sent those? 12 jets isn’t that many. We could easily mobilize an F16 squadron to Poland to cover the gap in the meantime. That said, I’m not finding any reliable sources other than tweets, which I trust as much as Bill Cosby handing my wife a drink. |
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Posted: 3/6/2022 12:59:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueSetter: Did the sanctions imposed the last time work? Or the time before that? Why on earth would any reasonable person suggest sanctions that punish the world be imposed rather than address the problem directly. Russia’s military is killing civilians. Punish Russia’s military. Punishing Russia’s civilians is cowardly. If your neighbor was a known wife beater and you witnessed him beating his child too, would you kick his wife around to encourage her to save her kid? Or just whoop the dudes ass? That's a dumb analogy and I've already addresses how it's been a common and effective tactic used previously to put pressure on a government to change policies. But to address your overly simplistic analogy, if the wife was encouraging the dad to beat her kid and supported his behavior, would you be ok with her suffering a little to encourage him to change? |
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