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Posted: 9/6/2024 10:47:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. You keep believing that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A very, very small fraction of cops are bad, and give the other 4% a bad name. Lol. You keep believing that. We get videos like this every other day. While it doesn't apply in this instance., how often do we see other officers on the scene immediately restrain or arrest the officer that is clearly breaking the law or violating policy? |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 11:07:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like it’s best just to not hire cops. Somehow, I have managed to get through life unscathed without ever requesting assistance from them. Though perhaps someday, if I decide to get some drug dealing biker tattoos or need a killer lemon pound cake recipe, I will hire one as a consultant. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 11:16:10 PM EST
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Fuck that deputy. Fired and charged.
Geeze. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 11:16:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Edgy, But I don't think anyone is going to play... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In for the apologists justifications. you'd be wrong lowcountrydirtrider says it's justified under community caretaking doctrine because the child must have been in distress meaning the officer needed to enter. Yes, am aware, but every case is unique. Was the child at the door in distress, prompting officer to enter to investigate? |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 11:19:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So where did this supposedly happen? I have no idea who Lackluster is. He seems like a Youtube Video Sherlock or under-employed trial lawyer. If indeed it did happen, some Sheriff sure needs to get his deputies better versed on how to answer calls. No law enforcement officer in their right mind would bust into a house following kids that were going to get their parent to come to the front door. It's a damn good way to end one's shift in their own personal body bag. Homeowners have no duty to retreat in this state and many others, even if the home invader thinks he's immune and has God-like qualities. Don't need to be much of a Sherlock, just watch cops for a little bit and BAM something like this will happen. It's like finding cockleburs in a forest - very little effort is needed and frequently they just find you. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 11:22:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You condone this? Also, I thought there was no list... It's a vertical arrangement of names. C'mon man! |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 11:25:36 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy needs fired. He could likely be charged if a states attorney looked at it I’d imagine. All states (some do now) should have a registry for fired LE to prevent them from obtaining jobs at other agencies. That guy needs to be fired. Every cop that showed up at that call and allowed this to happen needs to be fired. The sgt who oversaw that cop needs to be fired. Either the training officer or the hiring officer needs to be fired the chief who put in place and oversaw a department where this kind of shit could go on needs to be fired. And yes, there needs to be some sort of registry of fired cops. AND of cops who quit while under investigation. Resigning frequently means you don't get on the naughty list. And it frequently means any sort of investigation either internal or criminal ends. Those investigations need to run their course even if the cop resigns. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 11:28:34 PM EST
[#8]
Lawyer up
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Posted: 9/6/2024 11:35:12 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If qualified cops cannot be hired, then barely qualified cops will be hired. If barely qualified cops cannot be hired, then unqualified cops will be hired. If Americans will not apply, then foreigners will be hired. And they will not come from countries where the rights of the people are respected. This is absolute bullshit. It's also a way to say it's not really the cop's fault and/or stop being so hard on the cops. Let's look at accountant tax fraud. How many of those accountants who commit tax fraud are just 'making mistakes' due to them being barely qualifed. Answer- almost none. The accountants who are committing tax fraud are generally well qualified. They do it because they think that there isn't much oversight and because they can get away with it. Same with cops. We built a system where cops train cops - and they are teaching eachother how to get away with shit NOT teaching what the constitution is, what their oath means, what's legal and illegal for them to do. It's easier to teach the laws regarding entering a home than it is to teach that officer to iron his shirt properly. And even if that cop knew the laws regarding entering a home. He just didn't care. And you can't train people to care. You do two things. You hire people that you think actually care about the law and you have a system that holds them accountable when they break the law. This is NO different than the fact that people shoplift because they know if they steal just a few hundred dollars or less it's going to be swept under the rug. What's next? You going to tell me that the shoplifters are shoplifting due to being unqualified to run the self-checkout? |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 11:35:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great. Now what should happen to t this officer in your opinion? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are many instances you can enter a home without a warrant and uninvited. I don't think a loud music complaint is one of those unless extenuating circumstances exist. Great. Now what should happen to t this officer in your opinion? Get overtime in court while you lose your job and savings defending yourself in court. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 11:38:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is he really a police officer at that point? In the eyes of ar15.com, yes. Even while committing a violent felony. And even asking for his partner to stop a violent felony is a banable offense. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 11:49:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy needs fired. He could likely be charged if a states attorney looked at it I’d imagine. All states (some do now) should have a registry for fired LE to prevent them from obtaining jobs at other agencies. I don't understand why POST doesn't do this on termination, agency should notify for a review as a matter of course. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:46:42 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy needs to be fired. Every cop that showed up at that call and allowed this to happen needs to be fired. The sgt who oversaw that cop needs to be fired. Either the training officer or the hiring officer needs to be fired the chief who put in place and oversaw a department where this kind of shit could go on needs to be fired. And yes, there needs to be some sort of registry of fired cops. AND of cops who quit while under investigation. Resigning frequently means you don't get on the naughty list. And it frequently means any sort of investigation either internal or criminal ends. Those investigations need to run their course even if the cop resigns. I understand what your saying, the only thing is, those officers are relying on information given over the radio by the deputy (which is bad info) and hear all the screaming in the background when it sounded like he called for backup. If they were on scene at the start and didn’t stop the deputy I agree. All the ones who showed up after the fact to help sort that mess out may not have known the full story. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:54:30 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that deputy. Fired and charged. Geeze. Yep. I try not to give LE a hard time because their job pretty much is a damn if you do and damn if you don’t situation. But this dude is a POS and embarrassment to LE. The poster child for why people no longer trust or support them. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 1:54:46 AM EST
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I only watched about half of the video but if that was my house, that misguided cop would have arrived at a different outcome because I’m not a 100 pound woman and he was 1000% in the wrong. If you want to fight we can fight.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:04:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Somehow, I have managed to get through life unscathed without ever requesting assistance from them. Though perhaps someday, if I decide to get some drug dealing biker tattoos or need a killer lemon pound cake recipe, I will hire one as a consultant. I have 2 deputy good friends an a great friend that was a state trooper turn MBI. They all said the same thing at different times. The average response time is so long, deal with it and we clean up the mess. I've called EMS once for my brother having a seizure at 40 for the first time. Response was 38 minutes. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:22:42 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I only watched about half of the video but if that was my house, that misguided cop would have arrived at a different outcome because I’m not a 100 pound woman and he was 1000% in the wrong. If you want to fight we can fight. He still gets a letter in his file and you go to jail on a felony |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:32:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand what your saying, the only thing is, those officers are relying on information given over the radio by the deputy (which is bad info) and hear all the screaming in the background when it sounded like he called for backup. If they were on scene at the start and didn't stop the deputy I agree. All the ones who showed up after the fact to help sort that mess out may not have known the full story. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That guy needs to be fired. Every cop that showed up at that call and allowed this to happen needs to be fired. The sgt who oversaw that cop needs to be fired. Either the training officer or the hiring officer needs to be fired the chief who put in place and oversaw a department where this kind of shit could go on needs to be fired. And yes, there needs to be some sort of registry of fired cops. AND of cops who quit while under investigation. Resigning frequently means you don't get on the naughty list. And it frequently means any sort of investigation either internal or criminal ends. Those investigations need to run their course even if the cop resigns. I understand what your saying, the only thing is, those officers are relying on information given over the radio by the deputy (which is bad info) and hear all the screaming in the background when it sounded like he called for backup. If they were on scene at the start and didn't stop the deputy I agree. All the ones who showed up after the fact to help sort that mess out may not have known the full story. So once they did get the full story did they charge the deputy? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:40:31 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. I try not to give LE a hard time because their job pretty much is a damn if you do and damn if you don't situation. But this dude is a POS and embarrassment to LE. The poster child for why people no longer trust or support them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck that deputy. Fired and charged. Geeze. Yep. I try not to give LE a hard time because their job pretty much is a damn if you do and damn if you don't situation. But this dude is a POS and embarrassment to LE. The poster child for why people no longer trust or support them. That is where I'm at. Can't trust them anymore. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 2:41:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So once they did get the full story did they charge the deputy? Not sure what the outcome is, but they should have reported it up the chain and I would hope this guy is on his way to getting fired and/or charged. It’s also likely these guys really didn’t know the full story of what happened until they either saw this video posted or were called in by their chain of command (assuming there is an investigation into this) These guys probably just went onto the next call after leaving there. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 3:38:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sternly worded letter in his file? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In this case, it is. The vast majority of cops know better than to do what that cop did. Does it happen? Yes, but very rarely because the cop knows he will get the shit sued out of him. This cop was truly one of the very stupid ones and will pay dearly for his blunder. Prior to streaming video and the internet this kind of thing probably happened a little more, but with nearly every encounter being recorded, even the bad cops know not to do something so blatant and stupid. Sternly worded letter in his file? Serious question - These guys always have a history of this shit and behaviour like this makes his colleagues jobs more difficult so why doesn't behaviour like this get fixed via peer pressure? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 3:39:04 AM EST
[#22]
I hate cops
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Posted: 9/7/2024 3:42:26 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We get videos like this every other day. While it doesn't apply in this instance., how often do we see other officers on the scene immediately restrain or arrest the officer that is clearly breaking the law or violating policy? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A very, very small fraction of cops are bad, and give the other 4% a bad name. Lol. You keep believing that. We get videos like this every other day. While it doesn't apply in this instance., how often do we see other officers on the scene immediately restrain or arrest the officer that is clearly breaking the law or violating policy? I have seen two instances of other cops intervening. In one they arrested the officer in question. In the other the sergeant who was blatantly in the wrong grabbed the young female officer that was trying to stop him by the throat while other officers watched. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 3:45:38 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have seen two instances of other cops intervening. In one they arrested the officer in question. In the other the sergeant who was blatantly in the wrong grabbed the young female officer that was trying to stop him by the throat while other officers watched. The officer in the second case is stringing out the court dates in his felony battery case. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 3:46:37 AM EST
[#25]
Freedom ain’t free.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 3:46:46 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Hello, 911? There's an armed home invader in my living room who won't leave, I'm in fear for my life." You realize that whoever answers that 911 call is likely in the same room as the person who sent the cops to your house to begin with? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 4:09:43 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You realize that whoever answers that 911 call is likely in the same room as the person who sent the cops to your house to begin with? Including noise complaints from neighbors? Because that’s what this was. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 4:27:53 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Including noise complaints from neighbors? Because that’s what this was. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You realize that whoever answers that 911 call is likely in the same room as the person who sent the cops to your house to begin with? Including noise complaints from neighbors? Because that’s what this was. Yes? They all get despatched from the same place. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 4:37:46 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes? They all get despatched from the same place. Ah, I misunderstood what he wrote entirely. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 5:58:09 AM EST
[#30]
Bottom line summary, "the cop had no lawful authority to be in that home, he should be fired, charged with home invasion, unlawful restraint, ..forced entry knowing that people were inside.., kidnapping, battery or assault,; , if it's any other human being on the planet you have every lawful right to end their life,".
 Cop Commits Home Invasion and Kidnapping while On Duty |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 6:02:51 AM EST
[#31]
The COP is a POS. The lady
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Posted: 9/7/2024 6:07:25 AM EST
[#32]
This is a good example of why those of you with kids need to put a latch on the door so they can't open them for whatever reason.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 6:12:38 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Was there a tiger ready to pounce and eat the child? A tiger invisible to everyone but the officer? If as you say the officer had some good reason to enter - why did he choose to keep that a secret and why did he say he owned the house? 
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Posted: 9/7/2024 6:17:14 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The guy barricaded for days in there. Remember, kindler and gentler is what the liberals have forced upon us. You have to make sure you do everything you can not to kill someone especially when you have the time to use every single option. We want cops that will do the needful when it's lawful. What we don't need are a bunch of cops that want to do the needful to everyone they encounter. This is an example of a govt stooge doing stooge shit. An alarm was triggered. They ID'd the homeowner and that should have been that. But copper couldn't just let it be, so he proved why, yet again, you don't let fucking cops into your house unless they have a warrant, are willing to break your door down, or there's some other reason you need them there. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 6:20:06 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. You keep believing that. Once you get a taste of how quickly some of these "bad cops" can fuck up your life and how much they want to fuck your life and once you realize you can't choose what cop you get, you have to proceed like they're all bad cops lest you run into a problem that your good intentions set you up to be a victim of. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:45:52 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand what your saying, the only thing is, those officers are relying on information given over the radio by the deputy (which is bad info) and hear all the screaming in the background when it sounded like he called for backup. If they were on scene at the start and didn’t stop the deputy I agree. All the ones who showed up after the fact to help sort that mess out may not have known the full story. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That guy needs to be fired. Every cop that showed up at that call and allowed this to happen needs to be fired. The sgt who oversaw that cop needs to be fired. Either the training officer or the hiring officer needs to be fired the chief who put in place and oversaw a department where this kind of shit could go on needs to be fired. And yes, there needs to be some sort of registry of fired cops. AND of cops who quit while under investigation. Resigning frequently means you don't get on the naughty list. And it frequently means any sort of investigation either internal or criminal ends. Those investigations need to run their course even if the cop resigns. I understand what your saying, the only thing is, those officers are relying on information given over the radio by the deputy (which is bad info) and hear all the screaming in the background when it sounded like he called for backup. If they were on scene at the start and didn’t stop the deputy I agree. All the ones who showed up after the fact to help sort that mess out may not have known the full story. Let’s see what their body cams show they heard. If they shut them off or turned off the audio then they can testify about what they heard in court if they choose to defend themselves. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:46:56 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So where did this supposedly happen? I have no idea who Lackluster is. He seems like a Youtube Video Sherlock or under-employed trial lawyer. If indeed it did happen, some Sheriff sure needs to get his deputies better versed on how to answer calls. No law enforcement officer in their right mind would bust into a house following kids that were going to get their parent to come to the front door. It's a damn good way to end one's shift in their own personal body bag. Homeowners have no duty to retreat in this state and many others, even if the home invader thinks he's immune and has God-like qualities. If it did happen? Are you suggesting this video may be a fake? Or maybe the “cop” is a stripper? |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:57:20 AM EST
[#38]
Didn’t watch video
If cop said that he’s a fucking idiot and douchebag rolled into one Power trip and needs to find a different line of work |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:59:25 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn’t watch video If cop said that he’s a fucking idiot and douchebag rolled into one Power trip and needs to find a different line of work Like stamping license plates for example. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:05:56 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like it’s best just to not hire cops. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If qualified cops cannot be hired, then barely qualified cops will be hired. If barely qualified cops cannot be hired, then unqualified cops will be hired. If Americans will not apply, then foreigners will be hired. And they will not come from countries where the rights of the people are respected. Sounds like it’s best just to not hire cops. A big part of the problem is a failure in leadership within LEAs Starting at the top……many which are basically appointed politicians |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:10:47 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A big part of the problem is a failure in leadership within LEAs Starting at the top……many which are basically appointed politicians Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If qualified cops cannot be hired, then barely qualified cops will be hired. If barely qualified cops cannot be hired, then unqualified cops will be hired. If Americans will not apply, then foreigners will be hired. And they will not come from countries where the rights of the people are respected. Sounds like it’s best just to not hire cops. A big part of the problem is a failure in leadership within LEAs Starting at the top……many which are basically appointed politicians You say basically appointed politicians, but the public sees them as cops. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:12:19 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s see what their body cams show they heard. If they shut them off or turned off the audio then they can testify about what they heard in court if they choose to defend themselves. That’s what would typically happen in an internal investigation. If I recall correctly, it’s often a policy violation to not activate their body cams. Discipline should then be met out if needed based upon a review, which I hope they do. To just blanket fire all people who showed up after the fact doesn’t make sense. They’ll likely review the recorded dispatch audio as well. Either way, at least one person needs fired in that video, not necessarily all. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:15:48 AM EST
[#43]
No one ever wrote a song about “Fuck the fire department”.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:25:35 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You say basically appointed politicians, but the public sees them as cops. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If qualified cops cannot be hired, then barely qualified cops will be hired. If barely qualified cops cannot be hired, then unqualified cops will be hired. If Americans will not apply, then foreigners will be hired. And they will not come from countries where the rights of the people are respected. Sounds like it’s best just to not hire cops. A big part of the problem is a failure in leadership within LEAs Starting at the top……many which are basically appointed politicians You say basically appointed politicians, but the public sees them as cops. I’ve been in LE for 28 years…..Military for 4 From my experience working for 2 LE agencies: There is a failure in leadership: Also known as standards and accountability. In some agencies it is soooo bad that it borders on corruption…..I’ve seen it. Fortunately I worked for pretty good agencies that took care of problem children But I know of one small city agency in the County I work for that 80% of the cops would probably act like this idiot. It’s culturally corrupt from the top to the bottom. People are usually relieved when a Deputy Sheriff shows up because of how different our agencies are. Some LEAs need to be disbanded |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:40:32 AM EST
[#45]
I've often wondered this. What if you have a situation where a cop is illegally in your home and you really have to urinate.
what if you whipped it out and urinated in your own home in the general direction of the officer. What would he arrest you for? Urinating in your own home? If he actually arrested you, how could he justify that when he's not supposed to be there anyway. There was one video where a cop stuck his foot in the door and wouldn't remove it. I would have 100% pissed on his foot. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:43:04 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I only watched about half of the video but if that was my house, that misguided cop would have arrived at a different outcome because I’m not a 100 pound woman and he was 1000% in the wrong. If you want to fight we can fight. He will keep calling more friends that will blindly side with him until they have enough force to win. They might get a reprimand, but you'll be dead. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:44:36 AM EST
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Quoted: Cop is investigating a noise complaint. Cop rings the doorbell, kids answer door, they realize a cop is standing on the porch and so they run to get their mother. Officer proceeds to open the door, invites himself in the house and refuses to leave when asked to leave. Homeowner demands cop leaves, cop says he owns the house if he is standing inside and that he doesn't have to leave. Officer then drags woman outside and arrests her for contempt of cop. At what point is the cop an armed home invader? What could possibly justify this thinking?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfGooi1JJUgIt’s called an “unconsented to” entry and therefore was clearly illegal. Kids don’t have the authority to consent. Only adult home owners or whatever adult’s name is on the lease (if a rental). If the cop had had a proper arrest or search warrant, no consent is required. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 8:45:30 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He will keep calling more friends that will blindly side with him until they have enough force to win. They might get a reprimand, but you'll be dead. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I only watched about half of the video but if that was my house, that misguided cop would have arrived at a different outcome because I’m not a 100 pound woman and he was 1000% in the wrong. If you want to fight we can fight. He will keep calling more friends that will blindly side with him until they have enough force to win. They might get a reprimand, but you'll be dead. And a certain segment of the posters here would support it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:10:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He will keep calling more friends that will blindly side with him until they have enough force to win. They might get a reprimand, but you'll be dead. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I only watched about half of the video but if that was my house, that misguided cop would have arrived at a different outcome because I’m not a 100 pound woman and he was 1000% in the wrong. If you want to fight we can fight. He will keep calling more friends that will blindly side with him until they have enough force to win. They might get a reprimand, but you'll be dead. Hammer didn't say what he was fighting with. Could be his hands, a knife, or a .50 Beowulf. There is a good chance the cop might have been dead before he was able to call for help. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:17:43 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. I try not to give LE a hard time because their job pretty much is a damn if you do and damn if you don’t situation. But this dude is a POS and embarrassment to LE. The poster child for why people no longer trust or support them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck that deputy. Fired and charged. Geeze. Yep. I try not to give LE a hard time because their job pretty much is a damn if you do and damn if you don’t situation. But this dude is a POS and embarrassment to LE. The poster child for why people no longer trust or support them. LOL folks in the community where I work love their cops.  |
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