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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:45:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tabraha: Local electric co-op pulled fiber to my service line today unannounced. Supposed to finish the pull underground to my house in around 30 days. Been on that waiting list for 3+ years. Starlink was bumped from late 2021 to mid 2022 so looks like fiber will win the race for me. I was betting on starlink as when everyone else was posting about getting bumped mine held at late '21 forever until I got bumped 2 weeks ago. The fiber project had been delayed too and we were reprioritized to the back of the line multiple times for more densely populated areas. That sounds great. You should have faster speeds at a lower cost than Starlink. I don't ever expect to get fiber and T-Mobile is working well. Often 200 Mbps down and sometimes over 300 Mbps down for $50 USD a month. Starlink will still have plenty of customers as capacity increases. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:46:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aod886: What are the ground stations for? It is the connection to Al Gore's internet. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:47:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: It is the connection to Al Gore's internet. So from my home, to the satellite, to the ground station, to the net. And vice-versa? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:48:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aod886: So from my home, to the satellite, to the ground station, to the net. And vice-versa? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aod886: Originally Posted By AmericanPeople: It is the connection to Al Gore's internet. So from my home, to the satellite, to the ground station, to the net. And vice-versa? Pretty much... |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:51:34 PM EDT
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Then can I assume a semi local ground station is a good thing?
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Posted: 12/17/2021 8:59:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: I totally believe that it sucks, I just don't think it's the latency that is doing it. Latency is the measure of the time it takes a packet of data to make a one way trip. Geosynchronous sats are always going to have high latency because the data has to travel 40,000 miles one way. But, theoretically, streaming is one way data and triple digit latency only adds a second or two to the amount of time it takes for the data to start flowing. Once you've told it what to start streaming, and the streaming starts, the latency shouldn't matter much. If you want to think of the internet of a series of pipes (and who doesn't), think about if the pipe is empty. Latency measures the amount of time it takes for water to get from one end of the empty pipe to you. Once the water starts flowing, though, that amount of time no longer matters because new water replaces the water already delivered to you on a continuous basis. Now it's the throughput (bandwidth) of the pipe that matters when you're trying to stream. Every time you change to a different type of data (when you click on a different video, different webpage, etc...), you'd be dealing with an empty pipe again. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: Originally Posted By 67Firebird: Streaming just stops dead with Viasat/Excede. I've tried it several times, and it doesn't work. An example of buffering is trying to watch Youtube videos; Click it, it'll give you the loading circle for about 20 seconds, then the video will play for about 3 seconds. Then it freezes and goes back to the circle, so you click pause and wait about 30 seconds. That's usually enough to front load that suggested video bar, so after closing that you can click play. At that point I normally get about 1 minute before it freezes again. I totally believe that it sucks, I just don't think it's the latency that is doing it. Latency is the measure of the time it takes a packet of data to make a one way trip. Geosynchronous sats are always going to have high latency because the data has to travel 40,000 miles one way. But, theoretically, streaming is one way data and triple digit latency only adds a second or two to the amount of time it takes for the data to start flowing. Once you've told it what to start streaming, and the streaming starts, the latency shouldn't matter much. If you want to think of the internet of a series of pipes (and who doesn't), think about if the pipe is empty. Latency measures the amount of time it takes for water to get from one end of the empty pipe to you. Once the water starts flowing, though, that amount of time no longer matters because new water replaces the water already delivered to you on a continuous basis. Now it's the throughput (bandwidth) of the pipe that matters when you're trying to stream. Every time you change to a different type of data (when you click on a different video, different webpage, etc...), you'd be dealing with an empty pipe again. It's ACK starved, and is confusing the TCP window tuning code. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 10:03:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aod886: Then can I assume a semi local ground station is a good thing? It shouldn't really matter. The signal is bouncing to space and back, so whether it's bouncing back to a ground station a mile from you, or one 20 miles from you, it won't matter much. In fact, once the laser crosslinks are working, your signal might go up to a satellite, get relayed to another satellite (or 10) and go back down to a ground station on the other side of the globe. That's not likely if you have a ground station near you, but it's possible. I think the likely use for the crosslinks will be for areas that can't get a ground station for some reason (non-free nations, middle of the ocean, etc...). |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 10:06:18 PM EDT
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Copy that. Thanks for the information.
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:22:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: NotRyan]
[#9]
The closer the ground station the better.
The farther a ground station is means the more equipment the signal is sent between... increasing ping time and decreases throughput/bandwidth. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:54:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RyanEsstac: The closer the ground station the better. The farther a ground station is means the more equipment the signal is sent between... increasing ping time and decreases throughput/bandwidth. Until there are crosslinks, why do you say this? You're connecting to the ground station via a satellite. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:58:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: Until there are crosslinks, why do you say this? You're connecting to the ground station via a satellite. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: Originally Posted By RyanEsstac: The closer the ground station the better. The farther a ground station is means the more equipment the signal is sent between... increasing ping time and decreases throughput/bandwidth. Until there are crosslinks, why do you say this? You're connecting to the ground station via a satellite. This. Until the laser crosslinks are operational (who knows when, most of the sats don't even have them), the sat you connect to HAS to also be in range of a ground station. |
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Posted: 12/21/2021 5:49:03 PM EDT
[#12]
Never tried this before....
Viasat on a Delta 737-900ER 
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Posted: 12/22/2021 11:55:29 AM EDT
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What type of cable/plug-in does the antenna have that runs into the house? Is it coax cable?
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Posted: 12/22/2021 12:23:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spacejunk: What type of cable/plug-in does the antenna have that runs into the house? Is it coax cable? Check out the posts on Page 36, starting with the posts from 11/3/2021. There's discussion and pics there. |
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Posted: 12/22/2021 12:40:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 67Firebird: Check out the posts on Page 36, starting with the posts from 11/3/2021. There's discussion and pics there. Thanks |
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Posted: 12/23/2021 2:10:05 AM EDT
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Starlink's Speeds Are Declining in US, Ookla Finds
"Starlink's satellite broadband system is starting to slow down in the US as it adds customers, but it remains blazing fast in Canada and other countries, according to new stats from Ookla Speedtest. According to Ookla, Starlink median download speeds in the US declined from 97.23Mbps to 87.25Mbps between Q2 and Q3 2021, although they were still far faster than satellite competitors Hughesnet and Viasat, which are stuck in the 20Mbps range. As Ookla notes, modest declines in speed should be expected as a service ramps up its users. Starlink continues to launch more satellites to increase capacity, with the most recent launch of 52 satellites coming on Dec. 18. The publication Inverse estimates that the company will launch at least 36 sets of new satellites in 2022, increasing capacity." |
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Posted: 12/23/2021 2:19:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: ...the company will launch at least 36 sets of new satellites in 2022, increasing capacity." How about launching some o' that dishy equipment my way, so I can get away from my Viasat speeds? 
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Posted: 12/23/2021 12:50:46 PM EDT
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Posting this from my Starlink. Just got it setup.
Getting ~318 down / ~25 up |
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Posted: 12/23/2021 12:54:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fettesbrotde: Posting this from my Starlink. Just got it setup. Getting ~318 down / ~25 up I hate you. 
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OH, USA
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Posted: 12/23/2021 1:37:24 PM EDT
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I paid my deposit in February and just got bumped back to April 2022.
Can't come soon enough because I'm posting this at 1.02 down/.25 up right now. We've been at the same speeds for the eight years we've lived here. A local ISP offers 30mb down/5 up which would be good enough for us. For the past five years I've been told that we're in a dead spot and no can do with them. I try about once a year just in case they've expanded or something and FINALLY just last week they told me that YES! You're a perfect candidate for our service! I felt like I finally took care of an issue I've been dealing with since we moved here. I told the kids and they're more excited than Santa coming. Tech comes yesterday to do the install....not enough signal. My approval numbers in the household dropped faster than you-know-who's. So it looks like Elon needs to be my savior. This is getting pretty serious with my wife starting to work remote a day or two a week and the possibility of her getting another position that's permanently remote. |
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Posted: 12/23/2021 3:00:33 PM EDT
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I am showing a shipping date between 30Dec and 5Jan, just a week or two for me just south of Tampa Bay. Of course I didn't move my location from my driveway to my roof.
I used the app to find a good spot. In 25 feet along my ridgeline (roof) I went from "this sucks' to "looks good to me". I will update when I can. I am looking forward to receiving my porn from space. |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 1:26:01 PM EDT
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SpaceX Starlink User Mounts Dish Antenna On Tesla Model X, Receives High-Speed Internet Of 200Mbps While Driving
 "A SpaceX Starlink user from Western Australia shared via social media that they hooked a Starlink dish antenna on a Tesla electric vehicle to access the satellite internet network on the road. They tested how far from their service address could they access the internet, they were able to receive data within a 40-kilometer radius from their home address." |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 2:31:16 PM EDT
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I signed up in October. I'm fucked.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/24/2021 9:02:39 PM EDT
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I signed up Feb 9 and my order was was placed/charged Dec 20 (but still not ahipped). I ordered ethernet adapter yesterday.
Does anyone have the dimensions of the standard Gen 2 base? I want to make a weighted flat roof skid now before it arrives. Mike |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 10:27:04 PM EDT
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I don't see that listed, but maybe you can follow links on this page and find it;
https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/11/22776563/spacex-starlink-rectangular-dish-router-mounting-internet-satellites |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 10:44:01 PM EDT
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I put a deposit down in February. I have not checked in, but I did get the email a few weeks ago about the delays. What is the process on refunding the deposit? Do you have to do it before they contact you?
I do have cell coverage here. Currently have a verizon cell phone with 15gb of data for $37 a month. And an att tablet plan for $35 a month in a netgear lb1120 4g modem ( I use it up to 20 gb and they have not shut it off yet) I am thinking about calling T mobile and see what they say. (They say online that home internet is not available at my address, but I heard some people were able to get a plan if they callled) Other than that, I could go with the att 100gb data plan for $55. |
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Posted: 12/24/2021 11:15:50 PM EDT
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From the looks of it all buy a house in a place where I can get high-speed internet before I'm offered starlynk let alone a mobile capable starlynk.
Gonna grind my ass off next year to hopefully buy a house buy Christmas. |
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Posted: 12/25/2021 11:23:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dusty1450: I put a deposit down in February. I have not checked in, but I did get the email a few weeks ago about the delays. What is the process on refunding the deposit? Do you have to do it before they contact you? I do have cell coverage here. Currently have a verizon cell phone with 15gb of data for $37 a month. And an att tablet plan for $35 a month in a netgear lb1120 4g modem ( I use it up to 20 gb and they have not shut it off yet) I am thinking about calling T mobile and see what they say. (They say online that home internet is not available at my address, but I heard some people were able to get a plan if they callled) Other than that, I could go with the att 100gb data plan for $55. Just log onto your Starlink account and request refund. Quick and easy. I'm currently using the T-Mobile with decent results. |
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Posted: 12/25/2021 5:19:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_Mike: I signed up Feb 9 and my order was was placed/charged Dec 20 (but still not ahipped). I ordered ethernet adapter yesterday. Does anyone have the dimensions of the standard Gen 2 base? I want to make a weighted flat roof skid now before it arrives. Mike |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 10:37:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cb4017: Just log onto your Starlink account and request refund. Quick and easy. I'm currently using the T-Mobile with decent results. Thanks. I guess what I was really trying to ask, Do you have to get your refund before the order moves to the next step? I read over the pre-order agreement and I am still not sure if they email you first and then you have to make a payment for the kit. Or do they email you to let you know they are already charging you for the kit? |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 11:32:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dusty1450: Thanks. I guess what I was really trying to ask, Do you have to get your refund before the order moves to the next step? I read over the pre-order agreement and I am still not sure if they email you first and then you have to make a payment for the kit. Or do they email you to let you know they are already charging you for the kit? If I understand what you're asking, there won't be a refund if you want the order to move forward. The deposit goes toward the purchase price of the equipment. If you request a refund the order is cancelled. |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 11:46:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cb4017: If I understand what you're asking, there won't be a refund if you want the order to move forward. The deposit goes toward the purchase price of the equipment. If you request a refund the order is cancelled. I think he might be asking what I'm wondering: If your number gets called, does Starlink ask you if you still want your pre-order, or does it automatically ship the equipment and bill you? Do you get a chance to opt for a refund before they ship? |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 11:52:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: I think he might be asking what I'm wondering: If your number gets called, does Starlink ask you if you still want your pre-order, or does it automatically ship the equipment and bill you? Do you get a chance to opt for a refund before they ship? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: Originally Posted By cb4017: If I understand what you're asking, there won't be a refund if you want the order to move forward. The deposit goes toward the purchase price of the equipment. If you request a refund the order is cancelled. I think he might be asking what I'm wondering: If your number gets called, does Starlink ask you if you still want your pre-order, or does it automatically ship the equipment and bill you? Do you get a chance to opt for a refund before they ship? It bills and ships to you. You made a preorder, pre-orders ship when in stock. I've never heard a pre-order for something asking if you still wanted the item before shipping. Can you imagine that hassle? Sitting on in stock units waiting for customers to click "I still want it" in an email? |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 12:25:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: I think he might be asking what I'm wondering: If your number gets called, does Starlink ask you if you still want your pre-order, or does it automatically ship the equipment and bill you? Do you get a chance to opt for a refund before they ship? Yes, that was my question. Thank you all for the information. With the long amount of time between the pre-order and actually filling the order, I don't think it would unreasonable to assume that you might need to confirm that you are still interested before they actually bill you the final amount. |
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Posted: 12/26/2021 12:35:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RyanEsstac: It bills and ships to you. You made a preorder, pre-orders ship when in stock. I've never heard a pre-order for something asking if you still wanted the item before shipping. Can you imagine that hassle? Sitting on in stock units waiting for customers to click "I still want it" in an email? Totally agree, but this isn't the same as most retail pre-orders. More like paying for a reservation. I've made other big ticket reservations/pre-orders where they do confirm prior to sending. I think it's fine either way, I just wanted to know how Starlink was handling it. |
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Posted: 12/27/2021 5:27:08 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: Totally agree, but this isn't the same as most retail pre-orders. More like paying for a reservation. I've made other big ticket reservations/pre-orders where they do confirm prior to sending. I think it's fine either way, I just wanted to know how Starlink was handling it. Yeah with the time frame that is involved here, I not sure if the CC I used is a current one, lol |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 12/28/2021 1:36:07 AM EDT
[#37]
Starlink is still kicking ass. Average download specs are the high 200mbps and upload is typically around 11-20
My guess is fiber will never make it to the neighborhood I live in, nor cellular (unlimited) in my life time Starlink is amazingly awesome |
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Posted: 12/29/2021 12:20:47 PM EDT
[#38]
Well, I canceled my Starlink order, again. Maybe it will move someone else up the list.
I've had T-Mobile long enough now to be comfortable with the reliability and satisfied with the speed. I couldn't justify $500 for equipment and a monthly fee twice what I'm paying now. That and the local ISP says fiber is still coming to my address in the next few months. My latest speed test.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 1:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cb4017: Well, I canceled my Starlink order, again. Maybe it will move someone else up the list. I've had T-Mobile long enough now to be comfortable with the reliability and satisfied with the speed. I couldn't justify $500 for equipment and a monthly fee twice what I'm paying now. That and the local ISP says fiber is still coming to my address in the next few months. My latest speed test. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45352/20211229_081024__Medium__jpg-2220683.JPG I assume you have the T-Mobile Home Internet (Gateway)? Those are great speeds. Are you having issues with the tower disconnecting randomly? I have to reboot mine a couple times weekly. It'll loose internet connection, but the wifi is good. have a fan to mitigate the heat buildup. But it only helps. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:20:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aod886: I assume you have the T-Mobile Home Internet (Gateway)? Those are great speeds. Are you having issues with the tower disconnecting randomly? I have to reboot mine a couple times weekly. It'll loose internet connection, but the wifi is good. have a fan to mitigate the heat buildup. But it only helps. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aod886: Originally Posted By cb4017: Well, I canceled my Starlink order, again. Maybe it will move someone else up the list. I've had T-Mobile long enough now to be comfortable with the reliability and satisfied with the speed. I couldn't justify $500 for equipment and a monthly fee twice what I'm paying now. That and the local ISP says fiber is still coming to my address in the next few months. My latest speed test. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45352/20211229_081024__Medium__jpg-2220683.JPG I assume you have the T-Mobile Home Internet (Gateway)? Those are great speeds. Are you having issues with the tower disconnecting randomly? I have to reboot mine a couple times weekly. It'll loose internet connection, but the wifi is good. have a fan to mitigate the heat buildup. But it only helps. No problems with disconnecting from the tower but sometimes it does change secondary band on it's own. Sometimes goes from n41 to n71 for awhile then back. I get the best speeds from n41. I also have a fan sitting on top to pull air through. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 2:24:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
[#41]
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Posted: 1/1/2022 2:38:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/FH9OzmyVcAMqTBK_jpeg-2224576.JPG *Trying to establish connection...* 
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Posted: 1/2/2022 10:27:32 PM EDT
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Starlink still rocking it and regularly see speeds between 75-250Mbps. We dropped Ziply altogether as our backup. That was 115 a month..for 15Mbps.
 We picked up T-Mobile as our backup an regularly see 90Mbps-ish and that with 2-3 bars.
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Posted: 1/5/2022 8:05:19 PM EDT
[#44]
Starlink order is getting ready for shipment. Placed order in July of 21. I’m stoked
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Posted: 1/5/2022 10:47:05 PM EDT
[#45]
SpaceX Starlink Internet Service Is Now Available In Spain
"SpaceX Starlink Internet service is now available in Spain. This week, the company e-mailed potential customers who signed up via Starlink.com to receive updates about service availability in their area. “Starlink is now available in limited supply in Spain!” the e-mail says in Spanish language, “You can expect to see download speeds between100 and 200 Mb/s [megabits per second] during the following months as we improve the Starlink system. There will also be short periods of no connectivity,” it reads. Some Starlink users around the world report experiencing even faster download speeds that surpass 300Mb/s. Multiple Spain customers who pre-ordered the internet service shared via social media that they also received confirmation that their Starlink Kit is ready to be shipped." |
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Posted: 1/5/2022 11:31:45 PM EDT
[#46]
Still nothing for Texas.
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Posted: 1/6/2022 10:08:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MidMichHunter]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skillshot: Still nothing for Texas. Only one update for Michigan, got pushed from Late '21 to April '22. No worries though, I'm crushing the speeds now:  Attached FileHelp me Elon, you're my only hope... 
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Posted: 1/6/2022 10:11:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: SpaceX Starlink Internet Service Is Now Available In Spain "SpaceX Starlink Internet service is now available in Spain. This week, the company e-mailed potential customers who signed up via Starlink.com to receive updates about service availability in their area. “Starlink is now available in limited supply in Spain!” the e-mail says in Spanish language, “You can expect to see download speeds between100 and 200 Mb/s [megabits per second] during the following months as we improve the Starlink system. There will also be short periods of no connectivity,” it reads. Some Starlink users around the world report experiencing even faster download speeds that surpass 300Mb/s. Multiple Spain customers who pre-ordered the internet service shared via social media that they also received confirmation that their Starlink Kit is ready to be shipped." So the US delay isn't a chip delay afterall. We have just been deprioritized in favor of other countries. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 10:31:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: So the US delay isn't a chip delay afterall. We have just been deprioritized in favor of other countries. A satellite that is servicing areas of Spain is incapable of servicing the US. |
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Posted: 1/6/2022 10:33:38 AM EDT
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Meanwhile I have no other internet options and mine now says late 2022. When I signed up it said late 2021.
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