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Posted: 4/3/2017 1:38:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dapzel]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By quick2k3:
In your estimation, what needs to happen? Fresh blood in the writing/directing department? I agree, btw. With all of it. Im thoroughly bored with the show. Not only bored with it, but now mocking it. And Im not the only one. And I usually don't get bored with shows. In fact, I get pissed when they end. But at this point, it would have been better just to end the show with all of them on their knees. This season has been a complete disaster, imho. We're beyond the Fonz and Shark at this juncture. I'm ok with leaving Maggie at HillTop with her baby never to be heard from again and Carol at the Kingdom with King Ezekiel and his merry men. So that leaves Rick and Daryl. Since Daryl has no comic story line I guess he get's to stay because he can be written to do anything but he could die also. That leave's Rick. I say kill him. Carl steps up take a couple of the sort of main cast and head out on a new adventure. I think one of the biggest gripes I have is how can these idiots still be alive, how can there be a Kingdom and Hilltop but no military group of SF guys, grunts, CO's and nerds not held up at some fortified base. Next season they're going to have to flashback and explain the JYR group because two years with a group of people isn't enough to send you back to talking like a caveman. Even if they were mental patients, not all of them are going to go me tarzan, you jane. Oh and my biggest complaint. Get rid of those ninja walkers. It's pathetic and a cheap writers trick. Past episode Gregory couldn't kill the walker and turns away from it towards Maggie who goes up and kills the walker only to have one appear through some wormhole and attack Gregory. How does that walker just appear like that? |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 1:39:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClatuVertanictu:
Sweet Jesus just setup a fucking ambush at the goddamn gate! If there was EVER a perfect kill zone, that is it, and Negan and his merry band of thugs waltz right into it every 2 weeks…like clock work. Just set up the explosives, stand bac, hit the bomb, open fire, and mop them up, then take Negan's face and wear it like a fucking hipster stocking cap and tell them now that I AM NEGAN…SUCK MY DICK! ROLL CREDITS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClatuVertanictu:
Originally Posted By LawyerUp:
The battle scene was just stupid. From the suppressor mounted scope, to everything being full auto, and shot full auto, to expecting a tiger to differentiate between good guys and bad guys. You would think by now they would have obtained at least one person with enough firearms sense to put sights on the weapons and inject just a little realism into the shooting. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 1:47:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JsARCLIGHT:
The writers are not really the issue, as there are so many on the show at this point. The same goes for the individual episode directors. It is the only way they can make this much material as quickly as they do, they have multiple "teams" working on the episodes simultaneously. The "fault" if you can call it that falls on the big shoulders, the showrunners. The people who sit atop the creative pyramid and guide the teams. And the problem there is that TWD has like TEN fucking producers. The show lacks a single, unified creative source, and the problems the show has are indicative of design by a committee of committees. In my long ago past days of TV development, this was the worst situation to walk into. Because you had the people who make the decisions arguing with each other over creative directions, you had them ignoring each other, you had them overruling each other and inserting or removing things the others wanted in or out. You wind up with a very schizophrenic production that tries too much, and leaves too much out. The greatest works of cinema and television are the singular vision of one big honcho... one person who drives the wagon train from start to stop, which results in a very even and uniform quality throughout. They may have to overcome limitations, but it is their vision that holds the project to the flame and keeps things on point. If I would change something about TWD it would be to put all the various showrunners the show has in a cage and have them fight it out until only one remained. Then have Frank Darabont "surprise motherfuckers" out of the shadows and kill that person and pick the crown back up. Then have the show go back to shorter seasons produced with longer gestation so they can fine tune the story better and allow for a single man to hold the reigns of it all. But that isn't going to happen, because TWD is a money making machine now. It is churned out like shitty sweat shop shoes so there is always a product on the shelf for the consumers. And very rarely can you go backwards... it is hard for something that has "sold out" to un-sell-out and return to any semblance of creative roots. If anything TWD is going to get more and more melodramatic and manipulative until people just stop watching... and I think many of us expect that to happen next season. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JsARCLIGHT:
Originally Posted By quick2k3:
In your estimation, what needs to happen? Fresh blood in the writing/directing department? In my long ago past days of TV development, this was the worst situation to walk into. Because you had the people who make the decisions arguing with each other over creative directions, you had them ignoring each other, you had them overruling each other and inserting or removing things the others wanted in or out. You wind up with a very schizophrenic production that tries too much, and leaves too much out. The greatest works of cinema and television are the singular vision of one big honcho... one person who drives the wagon train from start to stop, which results in a very even and uniform quality throughout. They may have to overcome limitations, but it is their vision that holds the project to the flame and keeps things on point. If I would change something about TWD it would be to put all the various showrunners the show has in a cage and have them fight it out until only one remained. Then have Frank Darabont "surprise motherfuckers" out of the shadows and kill that person and pick the crown back up. Then have the show go back to shorter seasons produced with longer gestation so they can fine tune the story better and allow for a single man to hold the reigns of it all. But that isn't going to happen, because TWD is a money making machine now. It is churned out like shitty sweat shop shoes so there is always a product on the shelf for the consumers. And very rarely can you go backwards... it is hard for something that has "sold out" to un-sell-out and return to any semblance of creative roots. If anything TWD is going to get more and more melodramatic and manipulative until people just stop watching... and I think many of us expect that to happen next season. We've been hour one watchers. I'm not saying I won't watch it next season, but this is definitely going to be the first season that the give-a-fuck meter has problems getting off 0 going into the premier. And this is also going to be the first season we don't purchase on BD. If there isn't a serious course correction ricky tick, they are going to lose this whole thing. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 1:54:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaveP1:
You really don't need sights in that type of situation.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaveP1:
Originally Posted By Silver_Surfer:
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Posted: 4/3/2017 1:54:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daps:
I think they need fresh blood in the writing/directing dept and also new cast lead. Kill off Rick, Daryl, Carol or Maggie. I'm ok with leaving Maggie at HillTop with her baby never to be heard from again and Carol at the Kingdom with King Ezekiel and his merry men. So that leaves Rick and Daryl. Since Daryl has no comic story line I guess he get's to stay because he can be written to do anything but he could die also. That leave's Rick. I say kill him. Carl steps up take a couple of the sort of main cast and head out on a new adventure. I think one of the biggest gripes I have is how can these idiots still be alive, how can there be a Kingdom and Hilltop but no military group of SF guys, grunts, CO's and nerds not held up at some fortified base. Next season they're going to have to flashback and explain the JYR group because two years with a group of people isn't enough to send you back to talking like a caveman. Even if they were mental patients, not all of them are going to go me tarzan, you jane. Oh and my biggest complaint. Get rid of those ninja walkers. It's pathetic and a cheap writers trick. Past episode Gregory couldn't kill the walker and turns away from it towards Maggie who goes up and kills the walker only to have one appear through some wormhole and attack Gregory. How does that walker just appear like that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daps:
Originally Posted By quick2k3:
In your estimation, what needs to happen? Fresh blood in the writing/directing department? I agree, btw. With all of it. Im thoroughly bored with the show. Not only bored with it, but now mocking it. And Im not the only one. And I usually don't get bored with shows. In fact, I get pissed when they end. But at this point, it would have been better just to end the show with all of them on their knees. This season has been a complete disaster, imho. We're beyond the Fonz and Shark at this juncture. I'm ok with leaving Maggie at HillTop with her baby never to be heard from again and Carol at the Kingdom with King Ezekiel and his merry men. So that leaves Rick and Daryl. Since Daryl has no comic story line I guess he get's to stay because he can be written to do anything but he could die also. That leave's Rick. I say kill him. Carl steps up take a couple of the sort of main cast and head out on a new adventure. I think one of the biggest gripes I have is how can these idiots still be alive, how can there be a Kingdom and Hilltop but no military group of SF guys, grunts, CO's and nerds not held up at some fortified base. Next season they're going to have to flashback and explain the JYR group because two years with a group of people isn't enough to send you back to talking like a caveman. Even if they were mental patients, not all of them are going to go me tarzan, you jane. Oh and my biggest complaint. Get rid of those ninja walkers. It's pathetic and a cheap writers trick. Past episode Gregory couldn't kill the walker and turns away from it towards Maggie who goes up and kills the walker only to have one appear through some wormhole and attack Gregory. How does that walker just appear like that? I get it that it can't be run, run, run all the time. But the show has a much better pace and feel when they are nomadic and 'surviving' instead of sitting around smooching on the couch. Every time they get to a 'destination', the writers go off into 2348939 story arcs. And these arcs are usually the root of the problem--at least for me. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:00:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By quick2k3:
The show seriously bogs down any time they hunker down. Farm, Prison and now Alexandria. I get it that it can't be run, run, run all the time. But the show has a much better pace and feel when they are nomadic and 'surviving' instead of sitting around smooching on the couch. Every time they get to a 'destination', the writers go off into 2348939 story arcs. And these arcs are usually the root of the problem--at least for me. Yeah they can't run run run or stay stay stay all the time. It's got to be a new adventure but that's also the problem. Find shelter, bad guy comes, leave shelter |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:04:31 PM EST
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This will be my last season. The insistence of forcing certain social issues down our throats, the predictability, and the constant disappointment did me in. It's a shame, I used to enjoy the show. I could deal with the unrealisticness but everything else made it unbearable to watch.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:05:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: JsARCLIGHT]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By quick2k3:
The show seriously bogs down any time they hunker down. Farm, Prison and now Alexandria. When the show is "on the move" it is usually doing so with a smaller, more focused cast. That allows the show to be written for a true collected ensemble cast, and they can functionally include the entire main cast in the scope of the self-contained episodes. But when they find a place to stay, it always comes with new cast members. Soon the cast balloons up to the point that it is unwieldy and impossible to write an ensemble script well, so they have to fracture off the cast into smaller groups with smaller, dedicated stories... but they have to keep moving the larger football down field at the same time, which results in a lot of "story clutter" which makes the main storylines seem laboriously long and shallow. And what we have currently is a morbidly obese cast roster, and the writers keep reaching for more cake... which keeps the stories fragmented and the focus compromised. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:30:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LawyerUp:
Yeah, instead of the garbage people, just give 2 ARs to each person. Shoot, swap. 60 rounds each each. Thousands of rounds into the vehicles. Done. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:35:54 PM EST
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This is the first season where I feel I really dont care if it comes back. What a horrible ending.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:38:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: Praimfiya]
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I somewhat feel neutral about the finale with a slight lean to the "it was shit" side. Honestly, I was more bored than anything. No tension at all. The whole ending reminded me of a someone trying to corral a mega herd of less than tactically proficient cats.
At least there is one more episode of Colony to wash TWD finale shit taste from my mouth. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:48:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By revengeismine:
I somewhat feel neutral about the finale with a slight lean to the "it was shit" side. Honestly, I was more bored than anything. No tension at all. The whole ending reminded me of a someone trying to corral a mega herd of less than tactically proficient cats. At least there is one more episode of Colony to wash TWD finale shit taste from my mouth. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 2:50:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JsARCLIGHT:
Which completely removes any sort of tension or drama from the entire "held by gunpoint" scene, and is also very "quick we need a reason for them to NOT just shoot everyone when they have them backed into a corner" logic. The whole setup was clunky and very convenient from a writing standpoint, designed to produce maximum drama with minimum casualties... which should be TWD's subtitle now. I think Sirensong hit the nail on the head... last night was an awkward throwback to 80s action writing. It was like a ham-fisted combination of amateur Shakespeare fanfiction and Rambo... trying so hard to be artistic, but coming off way too long winded and stilted in its delivery. And when the action starts everyone suddenly can't hit shit with a gun, and if they can it is "shrugged off heroic fleshwounds for everyone". I felt like a kid watching the old GI Joe cartoon... guns shooting everywhere, people running at each other in the open, but nobody is dying except the disposable redshirts. I almost expected to hear Rick scream YO JOE! as he opened up with that AK... and I also expected to see Zartan, I mean, JYR leader tell the Dreadnoks to run for it... and Savior Commander to scream at Major Dwightt to RETREAT! while shaking his fist at the Joes screaming "I'll get you next time Joessssssssssss!" as they booked it out in a Hiss tank that magically couldn't be hit by any gunfire. Then afterwards the "face" wounded are shown to be ok in the hospital, and Saviors Commander consults with Doctor Genebender on how their crazy plan fell apart. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 3:05:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daps:
After they finish up the Negan saga. The writers really need to consider time jumping this series and do a different timeline from the comics. They can do like Disney did with Star Wars and dump the EU and take bits and pieces Wouldn't hurt my feelings if they killed either Rick, Daryl or Carol. I would even consider Maggie. If they want to use the comics as a guide Carl could do the Rick stuff. Why the merry band of fools continue to follow Rick is beyond reason. If he was a dictator type I could see why people would fall in line but he's not. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 3:12:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClatuVertanictu:
Sweet Jesus just setup a fucking ambush at the goddamn gate! If there was EVER a perfect kill zone, that is it, and Negan and his merry band of thugs waltz right into it every 2 weeks…like clock work. Just set up the explosives, stand bac, hit the bomb, open fire, and mop them up, then take Negan's face and wear it like a fucking hipster stocking cap and tell them now that I AM NEGAN…SUCK MY DICK! ROLL CREDITS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClatuVertanictu:
Originally Posted By LawyerUp:
The battle scene was just stupid. From the suppressor mounted scope, to everything being full auto, and shot full auto, to expecting a tiger to differentiate between good guys and bad guys. You would think by now they would have obtained at least one person with enough firearms sense to put sights on the weapons and inject just a little realism into the shooting. Yup. And if you want to chop down some trees and block the road, wait until they roll past and then block off their retreat. Stage some folks back in the trees for another ambush and mop up. Nothing says "Hey Negan, expect some fucking push-back this time when you roll up to Alexandria!" quite like having a shitload of trees blocking the path on the way there. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 3:19:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Repairman_Jack:
Yup. And if you want to chop down some trees and block the road, wait until they roll past and then block off their retreat. Stage some folks back in the trees for another ambush and mop up. Nothing says "Hey Negan, expect some fucking push-back this time when you roll up to Alexandria!" quite like having a shitload of trees blocking the path on the way there. Dwayne did that...like he said he was going to do. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 3:56:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: Praimfiya]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobalty2004:
Fuck yes I love Colony. That shooting scene in the theater is how you do action scenes. Take notes AMC, TWD. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobalty2004:
Originally Posted By revengeismine:
I somewhat feel neutral about the finale with a slight lean to the "it was shit" side. Honestly, I was more bored than anything. No tension at all. The whole ending reminded me of a someone trying to corral a mega herd of less than tactically proficient cats. At least there is one more episode of Colony to wash TWD finale shit taste from my mouth. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 4:41:45 PM EST
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Watched after recording it. Good grief, as a previous poster said, "It's now being mocked." That's it, it's become mockworthy. And good old Rick...
Originally Posted By America-first:
Ric is beyond any shadow of a doubt, the worst leader in the history of all terrible leaders. If I was in his group and heard he just made a new deal, I'd leave and take my chances alone. He's become comical in his ineptness. He really sucks. Very disappointed in this season, but not surprised. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 5:20:15 PM EST
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Soon as the fighting broke out, rick was only a couple feet out of arms reach of that garbagepale bitchs pistol. He could have rushed and disarmed her. I bet negan woulda doe that shit.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 5:57:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Dwayne did that...like he said he was going to do. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 5:59:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: WorkDroid]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Dwayne did that...like he said he was going to do. I think dwayne found out or knew about the garbage pale kids plan. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 6:00:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dru]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew:
Why did he? Was he just putting on a show for Rick or did he have to back out once he found that Negan was going to squash Rick's plan? Why didn't Rick's crew chase Negan down and kill him? Anyhow... can't wait until "Fear...." I need a change of pace... and to drool over Kim Dickens sweet ass! 
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Posted: 4/3/2017 6:16:03 PM EST
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I loved the episode
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Posted: 4/3/2017 6:25:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink:
I loved the episode If I didn't, then I wouldn't waste any more time on it, simple as that. Still not sure why anyone would... |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 6:57:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Qweevox:
@RONINBUDO According to the wiki page it's been less than 2 years the outbreak. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Qweevox:
Originally Posted By RONINBUDO:
got to ask how many years it that the world was over ? According to the wiki page it's been less than 2 years the outbreak. Originally Posted By FOX184:
Only a couple and all the heavy firepower like 50 Caliber Machine Guns, M240's, etc. have vanished from the earth. Worth view the situation from the Saviors perspective. Rick and company would be the stuff nightmares are made out of. They wiped out an entire outpost, plus at least a 3 other squad size groups of saviors. Since they made Rick's group submit there have been 3 attempts to kill Negan. Rosita pulling a concealed pistol and then both Carl and Sasha attempting kamikaze attacks. Now they sent Negan and the Saviors running for their lives after seeing one of their own get eaten by a tiger. I'd be getting rather nervous if I was a low ranking member of the Saviors. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:04:07 PM EST
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I thought it was a decent episode, but what pisses me off is the over-representation of gays.
Yeah, have a couple, but at this point it's out of proportion so bad it affects credibility. Making Jesus gay as well threw it over the line for me. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:07:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By merchantoffreedom:
that finale was the biggest steaming pile of shit. the entire season was garbage. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:16:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fargo007:
I thought it was a decent episode, but what pisses me off is the over-representation of gays. Yeah, have a couple, but at this point it's out of proportion so bad it affects credibility. Making Jesus gay as well threw it over the line for me. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:22:26 PM EST
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can anyone explain/describe/identify the desert camo rifle Darryl was using; the one with no visible sights?
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:28:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ray9101:
That's a good idea except they ain't got the numbers. They may pick up a few angry pissed off lesbo's from seaside but they took all their weapons so not going to have too many allies there. Some of the ones they do have are beat up and shot. Negan got out without a scratch and he has crap loads of people. We assume him to have tons of weapons and ammo with all the people he takes their shit, has outposts full of people and guns. Tactically this would be a no win deal unless you withdrew far outside Negan's reach, disappeared basically. Spent a year re-arming and trying to recruit more people then suddenly reappear and attack Negan with superior force and firepower. Somewhere their are things like crew served weapons and more explosives. Enough time he would move on and focus on the people and groups he still controls. I just wonder where the crap Gregory went. I wonder if he is hold up at the sanctuary or if maybe he grew a pair and knows some place with a group who could help. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ray9101:
Originally Posted By cavgunner:
First thing next season? Destroy the garbage pail kids. Tactically this would be a no win deal unless you withdrew far outside Negan's reach, disappeared basically. Spent a year re-arming and trying to recruit more people then suddenly reappear and attack Negan with superior force and firepower. Somewhere their are things like crew served weapons and more explosives. Enough time he would move on and focus on the people and groups he still controls. I just wonder where the crap Gregory went. I wonder if he is hold up at the sanctuary or if maybe he grew a pair and knows some place with a group who could help. Now logic in tactics applies?? Cmon man you know better. The writers have left any concept of logic and reality behind. They can do anything. I mean, for fucks sake, Rick is still carrying a revolver. Crash a truck filled with gasoline into the garbage pile. Pick em off as they all come running out on fire. PS I agree they might be cannibal. . |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:36:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJ1018:
Worth view the situation from the Saviors perspective. Rick and company would be the stuff nightmares are made out of. They wiped out an entire outpost, plus at least a 3 other squad size groups of saviors. Since they made Rick's group submit there have been 3 attempts to kill Negan. Rosita pulling a concealed pistol and then both Carl and Sasha attempting kamikaze attacks. Now they sent Negan and the Saviors running for their lives after seeing one of their own get eaten by a tiger. I'd be getting rather nervous if I was a low ranking member of the Saviors. Negan's real weakness is that he has a huge boner for psychotic behavior, to the point that he ADMIRES Rick's crew's viciousness when they let loose. He SHOULD have realized that they have killed damn near every group they have encountered, and lost a lot of their own in the process. They have been completely incapable of establishing any sort of permanent situation, and every attempt has ended with idiocy-sparked slaughter. Negan is vicious in a measured way, thinking people will respond rationally. He has yet to accept that they are more savage than he is. Negan is evil, sure, but he's like the trained pitbull thinking there are rules and people will act in their own best interests, and Rick's group are the pack of inbred, retarded mongrels with little impulse control and even less to lose. If he had been smart, he'd have put bullets in all of them, or let them pass on by, confident in the knowledge that they would get themselves killed soon enough. But he wants to break them like some dudes want to stick it in crazy. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:45:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunslingerPoet:
Very much this. Negan SHOULD have killed them all from the start. They are not very good at anything but chaos and killing, and very difficult to control. They were clearly capable of some very nasty crap, and individually, they do incredibly stupid things that get them and people around them killed. They simply don't respond well at all to Negan's intimidation long term. They will never grow a crop for him. One or several will lose their minds and sneak into his compound shooting, ZFG about getting killed, and weaken his people's confidence at his ability to control people. Then he has to worry about uprisings in his own camp as well as from this band of well-intended killers. Negan's real weakness is that he has a huge boner for psychotic behavior, to the point that he ADMIRES Rick's crew's viciousness when they let loose. He SHOULD have realized that they have killed damn near every group they have encountered, and lost a lot of their own in the process. They have been completely incapable of establishing any sort of permanent situation, and every attempt has ended with idiocy-sparked slaughter. Negan is vicious in a measured way, thinking people will respond rationally. He has yet to accept that they are more savage than he is. Negan is evil, sure, but he's like the trained pitbull thinking there are rules and people will act in their own best interests, and Rick's group are the pack of inbred, retarded mongrels with little impulse control and even less to lose. If he had been smart, he'd have put bullets in all of them, or let them pass on by, confident in the knowledge that they would get themselves killed soon enough. But he wants to break them like some dudes want to stick it in crazy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunslingerPoet:
Originally Posted By AJ1018:
Worth view the situation from the Saviors perspective. Rick and company would be the stuff nightmares are made out of. They wiped out an entire outpost, plus at least a 3 other squad size groups of saviors. Since they made Rick's group submit there have been 3 attempts to kill Negan. Rosita pulling a concealed pistol and then both Carl and Sasha attempting kamikaze attacks. Now they sent Negan and the Saviors running for their lives after seeing one of their own get eaten by a tiger. I'd be getting rather nervous if I was a low ranking member of the Saviors. Negan's real weakness is that he has a huge boner for psychotic behavior, to the point that he ADMIRES Rick's crew's viciousness when they let loose. He SHOULD have realized that they have killed damn near every group they have encountered, and lost a lot of their own in the process. They have been completely incapable of establishing any sort of permanent situation, and every attempt has ended with idiocy-sparked slaughter. Negan is vicious in a measured way, thinking people will respond rationally. He has yet to accept that they are more savage than he is. Negan is evil, sure, but he's like the trained pitbull thinking there are rules and people will act in their own best interests, and Rick's group are the pack of inbred, retarded mongrels with little impulse control and even less to lose. If he had been smart, he'd have put bullets in all of them, or let them pass on by, confident in the knowledge that they would get themselves killed soon enough. But he wants to break them like some dudes want to stick it in crazy. 
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Posted: 4/3/2017 7:55:11 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunslingerPoet:
Very much this. Negan SHOULD have killed them all from the start. They are not very good at anything but chaos and killing, and very difficult to control. They were clearly capable of some very nasty crap, and individually, they do incredibly stupid things that get them and people around them killed. They simply don't respond well at all to Negan's intimidation long term. They will never grow a crop for him. One or several will lose their minds and sneak into his compound shooting, ZFG about getting killed, and weaken his people's confidence at his ability to control people. Then he has to worry about uprisings in his own camp as well as from this band of well-intended killers. Negan's real weakness is that he has a huge boner for psychotic behavior, to the point that he ADMIRES Rick's crew's viciousness when they let loose. He SHOULD have realized that they have killed damn near every group they have encountered, and lost a lot of their own in the process. They have been completely incapable of establishing any sort of permanent situation, and every attempt has ended with idiocy-sparked slaughter. Negan is vicious in a measured way, thinking people will respond rationally. He has yet to accept that they are more savage than he is. Negan is evil, sure, but he's like the trained pitbull thinking there are rules and people will act in their own best interests, and Rick's group are the pack of inbred, retarded mongrels with little impulse control and even less to lose. If he had been smart, he'd have put bullets in all of them, or let them pass on by, confident in the knowledge that they would get themselves killed soon enough. But he wants to break them like some dudes want to stick it in crazy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunslingerPoet:
Originally Posted By AJ1018:
Worth view the situation from the Saviors perspective. Rick and company would be the stuff nightmares are made out of. They wiped out an entire outpost, plus at least a 3 other squad size groups of saviors. Since they made Rick's group submit there have been 3 attempts to kill Negan. Rosita pulling a concealed pistol and then both Carl and Sasha attempting kamikaze attacks. Now they sent Negan and the Saviors running for their lives after seeing one of their own get eaten by a tiger. I'd be getting rather nervous if I was a low ranking member of the Saviors. Negan's real weakness is that he has a huge boner for psychotic behavior, to the point that he ADMIRES Rick's crew's viciousness when they let loose. He SHOULD have realized that they have killed damn near every group they have encountered, and lost a lot of their own in the process. They have been completely incapable of establishing any sort of permanent situation, and every attempt has ended with idiocy-sparked slaughter. Negan is vicious in a measured way, thinking people will respond rationally. He has yet to accept that they are more savage than he is. Negan is evil, sure, but he's like the trained pitbull thinking there are rules and people will act in their own best interests, and Rick's group are the pack of inbred, retarded mongrels with little impulse control and even less to lose. If he had been smart, he'd have put bullets in all of them, or let them pass on by, confident in the knowledge that they would get themselves killed soon enough. But he wants to break them like some dudes want to stick it in crazy. People can take issues with Negan's ways, but in a lawless world, he does have his shit together. You'd be better off joining Negan's core group, even as a worker, and taking your chances there than to hitch your wagon to Rick's little traveling circus. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:01:27 PM EST
[#34]
Absolute shit show of a season finale.
Maybe it will take the Deadwood way out, and simply not return in October.... |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:08:05 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By quick2k3:
The show seriously bogs down any time they hunker down. Farm, Prison and now Alexandria. I get it that it can't be run, run, run all the time. But the show has a much better pace and feel when they are nomadic and 'surviving' instead of sitting around smooching on the couch. Every time they get to a 'destination', the writers go off into 2348939 story arcs. And these arcs are usually the root of the problem--at least for me. I think at this point the writers are just running out of ideas to keep the plot and character development fresh. Just think about the big plot point of Rick vs. Shane for the first couple of seasons. So the writers had to create this foolish back-and-forth for Rick, Morgan and Carol to work through trying to create suspense and drama. The original Star Trek ran 3 seasons. The Next Generation ran 7 seasons. The Six Million Dollar Man ran 5. The X-Files ran 9. No matter how intriguing the original premise is, we get bored. The shows always jump the shark because viewers get restless and the show creators get desperate to squeeze more life out of it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:11:07 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LibertyShip:
can anyone explain/describe/identify the desert camo rifle Darryl was using; the one with no visible sights? |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:11:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: HardShell]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jason280:
... Maybe it will take the Deadwood way out, and simply not return in October.... And all the "grudge-watchers" here are enabling the life support, pissing and moaning notwithstanding. 
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:25:25 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HardShell:
I didn't love it, personally, but I enjoyed watching it. If I didn't, then I wouldn't waste any more time on it, simple as that. Still not sure why anyone would... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By colklink:
I loved the episode If I didn't, then I wouldn't waste any more time on it, simple as that. Still not sure why anyone would... |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:29:15 PM EST
[#39]
What was Negan and the Garbage Patch Queen discussing?
"The deal was 12" and Negan says "10"...followed by a stare down. Queen says ..."OK, 10" lol |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:40:38 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesTheScot:
That's the inherent problem with it, though. How can they just be nomadic for 8 seasons? At some point, EVERYTHING becomes boring simply because you've seen it over and over. A beheading would be the same way. We desensitize to it. I think at this point the writers are just running out of ideas to keep the plot and character development fresh. Just think about the big plot point of Rick vs. Shane for the first couple of seasons. So the writers had to create this foolish back-and-forth for Rick, Morgan and Carol to work through trying to create suspense and drama. The original Star Trek ran 3 seasons. The Next Generation ran 7 seasons. The Six Million Dollar Man ran 5. The X-Files ran 9. No matter how intriguing the original premise is, we get bored. The shows always jump the shark because viewers get restless and the show creators get desperate to squeeze more life out of it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:51:32 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slack_out:
What was Negan and the Garbage Patch Queen discussing? "The deal was 12" and Negan says "10"...followed by a stare down. Queen says ..."OK, 10" lol |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:52:40 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saint_Peter:
COPS 25 Seasons! |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:55:18 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LibertyShip:
can anyone explain/describe/identify the desert camo rifle Darryl was using; the one with no visible sights? |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:03:59 PM EST
[#44]
They seriously fucked up when they didn't kill Dwight in the cell. He was of no value.
Mistake #2 was not having people outside the gate to snipe off negans men. Mistake 3 was an unlocked gate. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:09:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dapzel]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavgunner:
Lol Now logic in tactics applies?? Cmon man you know better. The writers have left any concept of logic and reality behind. They can do anything. I mean, for fucks sake, Rick is still carrying a revolver. Crash a truck filled with gasoline into the garbage pile. Pick em off as they all come running out on fire. PS I agree they might be cannibal. . I think they 10 are men and for them to be sex slaves or drones |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:15:08 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMGisbetter:
They seriously fucked up when they didn't kill Dwight in the cell. He was of no value. Mistake #2 was not having people outside the gate to snipe off negans men. Mistake 3 was an unlocked gate. But make no mistake about it: Dwight had the chance to kill Negan during the ensuing chaos and he didn't take it. That was piss-poor writing or a hole in the plot or something. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:17:26 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDiggler:
Yep. People can take issues with Negan's ways, but in a lawless world, he does have his shit together. You'd be better off joining Negan's core group, even as a worker, and taking your chances there than to hitch your wagon to Rick's little traveling circus. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:23:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: Krink]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slack_out:
What was Negan and the Garbage Patch Queen discussing? "The deal was 12" and Negan says "10"...followed by a stare down. Queen says ..."OK, 10" lol |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:24:01 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saint_Peter:
COPS 25 Seasons! 
But COPS isn't following the same dept for 25 years. If it had I'm sure it would have been over. TWD has enough episodes for syndication. Time to wrap it up. I think they messed up bringing Fear out when they did. Better to wrap TWD and then brought Fear out |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:24:22 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By matto4785:
The show didn't make Jesus gay, he was gay in the comic. As was Aaron and his bf. The only tv show introduced one is Tara. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By matto4785:
Originally Posted By fargo007:
I thought it was a decent episode, but what pisses me off is the over-representation of gays. Yeah, have a couple, but at this point it's out of proportion so bad it affects credibility. Making Jesus gay as well threw it over the line for me. |
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