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Posted: 9/14/2020 6:55:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be way to much to ask for. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If there was only something we could do to stop these fires. Like scientific forest management and building codes requring fireproof exteriors and roofs. That would be way to much to ask for. It should be the responsibility of the people building to make their places as fire resistant as possible. What kind of a fucking idiot would build a house with a cedar shingle roof and and wood siding in a fire area? How fucking stupid are the companies that insure them? Putting the blame on building codes is just another way that people abdicate their personal responsibility to government. |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 7:52:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It should be the responsibility of the people building to make their places as fire resistant as possible. What kind of a fucking idiot would build a house with a cedar shingle roof and and wood siding in a fire area? How fucking stupid are the companies that insure them? Putting the blame on building codes is just another way that people abdicate their personal responsibility to government. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If there was only something we could do to stop these fires. Like scientific forest management and building codes requring fireproof exteriors and roofs. That would be way to much to ask for. It should be the responsibility of the people building to make their places as fire resistant as possible. What kind of a fucking idiot would build a house with a cedar shingle roof and and wood siding in a fire area? How fucking stupid are the companies that insure them? Putting the blame on building codes is just another way that people abdicate their personal responsibility to government. For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 8:00:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If there was only something we could do to stop these fires. Like scientific forest management and building codes requring fireproof exteriors and roofs. That would be way to much to ask for. It should be the responsibility of the people building to make their places as fire resistant as possible. What kind of a fucking idiot would build a house with a cedar shingle roof and and wood siding in a fire area? How fucking stupid are the companies that insure them? Putting the blame on building codes is just another way that people abdicate their personal responsibility to government. For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. But a metal roof house can look good and be far more fire resistant to embers. I get a house insurance break with metal roofs. |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 8:21:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If there was only something we could do to stop these fires. Like scientific forest management and building codes requring fireproof exteriors and roofs. That would be way to much to ask for. It should be the responsibility of the people building to make their places as fire resistant as possible. What kind of a fucking idiot would build a house with a cedar shingle roof and and wood siding in a fire area? How fucking stupid are the companies that insure them? Putting the blame on building codes is just another way that people abdicate their personal responsibility to government. For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. People are vain and stupid. |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 9:22:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Why would a firefighter carry a gas can on his back? I'm more apt to believe it is a disguise, especially since they just purchased all their tools new at Home Depot. In defense of that, my chainsaw is HORRIBLE on gas, so I constantly have a can near me for the refillings. |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 9:47:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In defense of that, my chainsaw is HORRIBLE on gas, so I constantly have a can near me for the refillings. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why would a firefighter carry a gas can on his back? I'm more apt to believe it is a disguise, especially since they just purchased all their tools new at Home Depot. In defense of that, my chainsaw is HORRIBLE on gas, so I constantly have a can near me for the refillings. Yep. The idiots freaking out about a sawyer swamper carrying a gas can....that is literally a swamper's job. Carrying fuel, oil and supporting the sawyer. Do people not realize that wildland handcrews usually operate away from a gas station or a crew van/truck? Also take a look at Conservation Corps groups that do some vanilla wildland jobs. No shortage of retards or shitheads there. |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 10:24:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just watched that whole thing. The blonde broad is obviously compromised, along with the chairman. They’re more worried at the end by possible sparks from lawnmowers than they are by a representative of the sheriff’s office telling them to their faces that their county is under attack. I’m actually having trouble processing what I just saw. Like, holy fuck, Clackamas County is under the control of ANTIFA sympathizers who are apparently willing to stonewall on behalf of ANTIFA. Looking forward to Tootie starting back as county chair in January. |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 11:26:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get this - State FM Walker Pushed Out b/c he went behind the line without permission Walker told The Oregonian/OregonLive on Sunday that he entered the Beachie Creek wildfire area east of Salem on Thursday on behalf of a state employee who was concerned about five people. It turned out that one of the people was the employee’s relative, George Atiyeh, 72. Walker said he obtained “approval” to enter the scene from an incident supervisor. What is unclear, however, is whether he had authorization from Les Hallman, the incident commander, and whether he was honest with his supervisors when questioned about it, the source told The Oregonian/OregonLive. State police officials have declined to comment on the situation, saying only that the agency and the Office of the State Fire Marshal “regret this distraction.” What’s more, the source said, Walker lacked the skill and training to identify and investigate human remains at what amounts to a crime scene. ETA: per the Clackamas County Commissioner's meeting @ 23 minutes - the incoming FM is now responsible for the Riverside Fire. Sounds like the FM cleared his route with actual factual dude on the ground, but did not make the phone call to someone not on scene. He is a boots on the ground guy and his #2 was to fill the roll of admin ram rod. The OSP are inferring it is pure politics. ETA2: everyone should email Clackamas County Commissioner Paul Savas - he called the question RE petitioning Brown for the NG in light of Captain Jeff Smith's report from his deputies. Encourage Salva that he was prudent to ask the question about the NG and that you want him to follow up on the potential of such nefarious activity, and if true make sure that it is brought to the attention of the Gov, the media or both. Quote HistoryQuoted: Get this - State FM Walker Pushed Out b/c he went behind the line without permission Walker told The Oregonian/OregonLive on Sunday that he entered the Beachie Creek wildfire area east of Salem on Thursday on behalf of a state employee who was concerned about five people. It turned out that one of the people was the employee’s relative, George Atiyeh, 72. Walker said he obtained “approval” to enter the scene from an incident supervisor. What is unclear, however, is whether he had authorization from Les Hallman, the incident commander, and whether he was honest with his supervisors when questioned about it, the source told The Oregonian/OregonLive. State police officials have declined to comment on the situation, saying only that the agency and the Office of the State Fire Marshal “regret this distraction.” What’s more, the source said, Walker lacked the skill and training to identify and investigate human remains at what amounts to a crime scene. ETA: per the Clackamas County Commissioner's meeting @ 23 minutes - the incoming FM is now responsible for the Riverside Fire. Sounds like the FM cleared his route with actual factual dude on the ground, but did not make the phone call to someone not on scene. He is a boots on the ground guy and his #2 was to fill the roll of admin ram rod. The OSP are inferring it is pure politics. ETA2: everyone should email Clackamas County Commissioner Paul Savas - he called the question RE petitioning Brown for the NG in light of Captain Jeff Smith's report from his deputies. Encourage Salva that he was prudent to ask the question about the NG and that you want him to follow up on the potential of such nefarious activity, and if true make sure that it is brought to the attention of the Gov, the media or both. Mariana Ruiz-Temple was thrust into the role of Oregon state fire marshal after Jim Walker was placed on administrative leave for unspecified reasons “Mariana has led with grace, transparency and courage,” Gov. Kate Brown said in a statement. Out with the old:  And in with the new:  |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 12:48:47 PM EDT
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8 separate suspicious fires West of Sweethome, OR being investigated by Linn County Sheriff's Office:
https://www.linnsheriff.org/2020/09/sheriff-yon-announces-several-suspicious-fires-in-lebanon-and-sweet-home-areas/?fbclid=IwAR05TjePUQWtMYB6nP5odKdyE1XLCYG0fuVTSEc7eFOmWu15iDFirX5s0xQ Sheriff Jim Yon reports his deputies are investigating several suspicious fires that began early this morning at 2:41 a.m. Deputies and fire personnel responded to eight different small fires in the areas of Scott Mountain Road west of Sweet Home, Whiskey Butte Drive east of Sweet Home and Washburn Heights Drive outside of Brownsville. All the fires occurred within a two-hour period. A pick-up described as a small, white or silver, 1990s Nissan Hardbody with a white canopy was seen in the area of one of the fires. This is a vehicle of interest and we are actively looking for it. These fires are still under investigation. Anyone with information is asked to call 541-812-2260. |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 12:50:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People are vain and stupid. They are also prevented by law from removing trees on their own property....... |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 1:34:09 PM EDT
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'Oregon man arrested twice in 12-hour span for starting 'multiple' fires near Portland freeway'
https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-man-portland-arrest-fires-interstate-205-wildfire-warning-fire-weather-police 'A man in Oregon was arrested early Monday for setting "multiple" fires along a freeway in Portland, hours after he was released from custody for setting another brush fire along the same roadway, according to police...' |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 2:34:53 PM EDT
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Oregon Fires Started by Organized Arson COMPILATION
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Posted: 9/14/2020 3:33:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 8 separate suspicious fires West of Sweethome, OR being investigated by Linn County Sheriff's Office: https://www.linnsheriff.org/2020/09/sheriff-yon-announces-several-suspicious-fires-in-lebanon-and-sweet-home-areas/?fbclid=IwAR05TjePUQWtMYB6nP5odKdyE1XLCYG0fuVTSEc7eFOmWu15iDFirX5s0xQ Quote HistoryQuoted: 8 separate suspicious fires West of Sweethome, OR being investigated by Linn County Sheriff's Office: https://www.linnsheriff.org/2020/09/sheriff-yon-announces-several-suspicious-fires-in-lebanon-and-sweet-home-areas/?fbclid=IwAR05TjePUQWtMYB6nP5odKdyE1XLCYG0fuVTSEc7eFOmWu15iDFirX5s0xQ Sheriff Jim Yon reports his deputies are investigating several suspicious fires that began early this morning at 2:41 a.m. Deputies and fire personnel responded to eight different small fires in the areas of Scott Mountain Road west of Sweet Home, Whiskey Butte Drive east of Sweet Home and Washburn Heights Drive outside of Brownsville. All the fires occurred within a two-hour period. A pick-up described as a small, white or silver, 1990s Nissan Hardbody with a white canopy was seen in the area of one of the fires. This is a vehicle of interest and we are actively looking for it. These fires are still under investigation. Anyone with information is asked to call 541-812-2260. I came to post the same article. Ahit is hinky out west.
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Posted: 9/14/2020 3:35:36 PM EDT
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Instead of TOM (Tweaker on Mountainbike) we have a TIN (Tweaker in Nissan).... :p
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Posted: 9/14/2020 4:33:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF is that thing? Quote History |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 5:24:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I came to post the same article. Ahit is hinky out west.
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 8 separate suspicious fires West of Sweethome, OR being investigated by Linn County Sheriff's Office: https://www.linnsheriff.org/2020/09/sheriff-yon-announces-several-suspicious-fires-in-lebanon-and-sweet-home-areas/?fbclid=IwAR05TjePUQWtMYB6nP5odKdyE1XLCYG0fuVTSEc7eFOmWu15iDFirX5s0xQ Sheriff Jim Yon reports his deputies are investigating several suspicious fires that began early this morning at 2:41 a.m. Deputies and fire personnel responded to eight different small fires in the areas of Scott Mountain Road west of Sweet Home, Whiskey Butte Drive east of Sweet Home and Washburn Heights Drive outside of Brownsville. All the fires occurred within a two-hour period. A pick-up described as a small, white or silver, 1990s Nissan Hardbody with a white canopy was seen in the area of one of the fires. This is a vehicle of interest and we are actively looking for it. These fires are still under investigation. Anyone with information is asked to call 541-812-2260. I came to post the same article. Ahit is hinky out west.
It is pretty obvious that they are trying to keep this under wraps as much as possible (but failing). |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 6:56:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oregon Fires Started by Organized Arson COMPILATION  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T20jx_aqmnwThat guy taking the video should have just shot the firebug and left him for the fire to consume. Seems like it would be the right thing. Just my opinion. |
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Posted: 9/14/2020 11:35:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy taking the video should have just shot the firebug and left him for the fire to consume. Seems like it would be the right thing. Just my opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oregon Fires Started by Organized Arson COMPILATION https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T20jx_aqmnwThat guy taking the video should have just shot the firebug and left him for the fire to consume. Seems like it would be the right thing. Just my opinion. I agree |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 12:26:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oregon Fires Started by Organized Arson COMPILATION https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T20jx_aqmnwThat guy taking the video should have just shot the firebug and left him for the fire to consume. Seems like it would be the right thing. Just my opinion. I agree Don't ask don't tell. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 3:31:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is unclear, however, is whether he had authorization from Les Hallman, the incident commander, and whether he was honest with his supervisors when questioned about it, the source told The Oregonian/OregonLive. Small f'ing world. I grew up with Les. I dug up pictures of him on the website. It's him. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 3:34:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2020 3:36:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. BigBuilder1?, The Geodesic Dome guy on here about 8-10 years ago? I believe he said a few made it through wild fires. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 3:42:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BigBuilder1?, The Geodesic Dome guy on here about 8-10 years ago? I believe he said a few made it through wild fires. They have survived hurricanes, tornadoes, forest fires, and if done right can stop bullets. From what I understand they are hard to insure and they sit on the market if being sold because Americans don't like them. I would assume it would be hard to get a mortgage on one as well. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 4:42:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BigBuilder1?, The Geodesic Dome guy on here about 8-10 years ago? I believe he said a few made it through wild fires. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. BigBuilder1?, The Geodesic Dome guy on here about 8-10 years ago? I believe he said a few made it through wild fires. Monolithic not geodesic domes, and someone linked to the old but not archived (and still getting recent posts as of a month ago!) thread in one of the current threads on the fires, or a thread that was covering the riots/fires/looting...I am following a few threads covering all this craziness going on, and cannot recall exactly where I saw it, but that thread on the domes has been a good read so far...lots to consider...anyway, here is the link https://www.ar15.com/forums/Outdoors/monolthic-domes-paging-1-big-bunker/17-625006/?page=1 And it looks like the arfcommer is 1_Big_Bunker...not sure he is still active atm...but I am still working my way through that thread. I need more hours in the day to keep up with everything! |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 1:35:43 PM EDT
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Arson caught on video.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ClownWorldNews1/status/1305644823517392897?s=20[/tweet] https://twitter.com/ClownWorldNews1/status/1305644823517392897?s=20 |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 2:16:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Monolithic not geodesic domes, and someone linked to the old but not archived (and still getting recent posts as of a month ago!) thread in one of the current threads on the fires, or a thread that was covering the riots/fires/looting...I am following a few threads covering all this craziness going on, and cannot recall exactly where I saw it, but that thread on the domes has been a good read so far...lots to consider...anyway, here is the link https://www.ar15.com/forums/Outdoors/monolthic-domes-paging-1-big-bunker/17-625006/?page=1 And it looks like the arfcommer is 1_Big_Bunker...not sure he is still active atm...but I am still working my way through that thread. I need more hours in the day to keep up with everything! Yeah,that's the one. I loved the way the concrete floors were sliced and dyed. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 2:37:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arson caught on video. [tweet]https://twitter.com/ClownWorldNews1/status/1305644823517392897?s=20[/tweet] https://twitter.com/ClownWorldNews1/status/1305644823517392897?s=20 Well, there's no mistaking what this guy is doing. Now, he just has to be connected to ANTIFA or BLM. I'll just wait while the investigative journalists in the media get right on that. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 2:47:18 PM EDT
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Slow news from the fires and riots the last few days. Are they still setting fires or are the getting ready for the white house siege?
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Posted: 9/15/2020 2:48:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. But concrete tile and stucco are things that don't burn.  The biggest bitch are the windows. When the heat of the fire causes the glass to expand it shatters. Once there's a hole in the building it's in danger. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 2:57:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But concrete tile and stucco are things that don't burn. The biggest bitch are the windows. When the heat of the fire causes the glass to expand it shatters. Once there's a hole in the building it's in danger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. But concrete tile and stucco are things that don't burn. The biggest bitch are the windows. When the heat of the fire causes the glass to expand it shatters. Once there's a hole in the building it's in danger. Automatic steel shutters. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 3:14:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Slow news from the fires and riots the last few days. Are they still setting fires or are the getting ready for the white house siege? The news all last week was focused on the (totally NOT Antifa arson) fires. Were there any riots in Portland? Serious question. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 4:03:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2020 4:16:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Slow news from the fires and riots the last few days. Are they still setting fires or are the getting ready for the white house siege? My interpretation is the money sources/handlers of antifa said. "Holy shit! You dumb fucks weren't supposed get caught en masse lighting these fires. How hard is it to wait until no one is looking? People are tracking your arrests online dipshits! This is taxing our ability to coverup in the media. We gotta tell you to stand down while we figure out what to have you fuck up next." |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 4:31:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like the number of new fires dropped sharply. My interpretation is the money sources/handlers of antifa said. "Holy shit! You dumb fucks weren't supposed get caught en masse lighting these fires. How hard is it to wait until no one is looking? People are tracking your arrests online dipshits! This is taxing our ability to coverup in the media. We gotta tell you to stand down while we figure out what to have you fuck up next." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Slow news from the fires and riots the last few days. Are they still setting fires or are the getting ready for the white house siege? My interpretation is the money sources/handlers of antifa said. "Holy shit! You dumb fucks weren't supposed get caught en masse lighting these fires. How hard is it to wait until no one is looking? People are tracking your arrests online dipshits! This is taxing our ability to coverup in the media. We gotta tell you to stand down while we figure out what to have you fuck up next." Nailed it. The people running the show come up with a new plan every time the useful idiots fail, or the current plan sets up the perfect environment to enable a move to the next action. ETA it's a perfect illustration of how the people running a communist revolution operate. They're only successful when their plans are carried out by non communist hands. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 4:35:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Slow news from the fires and riots the last few days. Are they still setting fires or are the getting ready for the white house siege? Its climate change again. We're shifting back into an ice age. Fires are slowing down. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 4:38:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 'Oregon man arrested twice in 12-hour span for starting 'multiple' fires near Portland freeway' https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-man-portland-arrest-fires-interstate-205-wildfire-warning-fire-weather-police 'A man in Oregon was arrested early Monday for setting "multiple" fires along a freeway in Portland, hours after he was released from custody for setting another brush fire along the same roadway, according to police...' Square in the back.. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 4:40:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its climate change again. We're shifting back into an ice age. Fires are slowing down. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Slow news from the fires and riots the last few days. Are they still setting fires or are the getting ready for the white house siege? Its climate change again. We're shifting back into an ice age. Fires are slowing down. Time for a fresh pandemic then.  |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 4:46:07 PM EDT
[#38]
Are the Cali fires arson as well? I’m way behind on all of this
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Posted: 9/15/2020 5:22:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are the Cali fires arson as well? I’m way behind on all of this There are so many fires that there's no way to tell. In Oregon, the Lionshead and Beachie Creek fires were small fires that started deep in the woods last month. Those they were letting burn themselves out but the continued low humidity and high easterly winds fanned those into monstrous infernos. The ones in southern Oregon and near Lincoln City are very suspicious. There have been several people arrested for arson, but no proof they started the main fires in the north and middle parts of the state. Fires in Eugene and Springfield are are also very suspicious. |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 6:52:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are so many fires that there's no way to tell. In Oregon, the Lionshead and Beachie Creek fires were small fires that started deep in the woods last month. Those they were letting burn themselves out but the continued low humidity and high easterly winds fanned those into monstrous infernos. The fire in gold Beach a couple of years ago was a small fire that they thought would burn itself out. It was a slow burn for a few weeks, then started ramping up. Usfs took a lot of bad press on the initial handling of the fire. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetco_Bar_Fire |
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Posted: 9/15/2020 10:24:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2020 11:12:32 PM EDT
[#42]
Here are some from California to add to the list.
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Posted: 9/15/2020 11:14:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2020 8:53:26 AM EDT
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Some of the current damage reports
Beachie Creek Residences Destroyed: 470 Other Structures Destroyed: 818 Lionshead Residences Destroyed: 264 Other Structures Destroyed: 16 Holiday Farm Residences Destroyed: - Other Structures Destroyed: 424 Archie Creek Residences Destroyed: 110 Other Structures Destroyed: 2 S. Obenchain Residences Destroyed: 29 Other Structures Destroyed: 51 Two Four Two Residences Destroyed: 8 Other Structures Destroyed: 28 Almeda Drive Residences Destroyed: 600 Other Structures Destroyed: 100 Echo Mtn. Complex Residences Destroyed: 100 Other Structures Destroyed: - |
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Posted: 9/16/2020 9:53:03 AM EDT
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Here's another good reference. Gives current updates and status plus projections based on weather forecast. This link is centered on the Beachie Creek fire but if you scroll down, you can get detailed information on each individual fire.
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Posted: 9/16/2020 10:10:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But concrete tile and stucco are things that don't burn. The biggest bitch are the windows. When the heat of the fire causes the glass to expand it shatters. Once there's a hole in the building it's in danger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. But concrete tile and stucco are things that don't burn. The biggest bitch are the windows. When the heat of the fire causes the glass to expand it shatters. Once there's a hole in the building it's in danger. I’ve worked on three different houses in the Camp Fire zone of Paradice that survived due to non combustible building materials when everything around it burned. Metal roof. Stucco or hardi/ concrete siding. No wood decks up against the house (All of these burned for obvious ember magnet reasons). A few of the vinyl window frames completely failed, but never dropped the glass all the way out. Dual pain glass windows don’t really shatter that way from heat alone. The rubber seal fails and they just fart. Even the houses that remained had major smoke damage and weren’t lived in for months for smoke damage construction. |
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Posted: 9/16/2020 10:37:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Automatic steel shutters. Best method is to clear brush close to the house. I think the biggest cause of house fires in a forest I've heard about is embers being sucked into eave vents where they get into the hot, dry attic and burn the house down. I think there are vents you can get to prevent that or you cover them if a fire is on the way. |
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Posted: 9/16/2020 1:08:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve worked on three different houses in the Camp Fire zone of Paradice that survived due to non combustible building materials when everything around it burned. Metal roof. Stucco or hardi/ concrete siding. No wood decks up against the house (All of these burned for obvious ember magnet reasons). A few of the vinyl window frames completely failed, but never dropped the glass all the way out. Dual pain glass windows don’t really shatter that way from heat alone. The rubber seal fails and they just fart. Even the houses that remained had major smoke damage and weren’t lived in for months for smoke damage construction. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. But concrete tile and stucco are things that don't burn. The biggest bitch are the windows. When the heat of the fire causes the glass to expand it shatters. Once there's a hole in the building it's in danger. I’ve worked on three different houses in the Camp Fire zone of Paradice that survived due to non combustible building materials when everything around it burned. Metal roof. Stucco or hardi/ concrete siding. No wood decks up against the house (All of these burned for obvious ember magnet reasons). A few of the vinyl window frames completely failed, but never dropped the glass all the way out. Dual pain glass windows don’t really shatter that way from heat alone. The rubber seal fails and they just fart. Even the houses that remained had major smoke damage and weren’t lived in for months for smoke damage construction.  Attached FileSome of the fire behavior in paradise defied what we would expect from typical fire behavior. The houses to the left and right of this structure were burnt to the foundation. I saw houses that had combustible roofs, gutters full of pine needles, combustibles next to the house. But it somehow looked untouched. |
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Posted: 9/16/2020 1:32:30 PM EDT
[#49]
Still hanky shit going on up here in WA. This is from this morning on the local crime watch page. Keep your eyes open...
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Posted: 9/16/2020 1:36:05 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve worked on three different houses in the Camp Fire zone of Paradice that survived due to non combustible building materials when everything around it burned. Metal roof. Stucco or hardi/ concrete siding. No wood decks up against the house (All of these burned for obvious ember magnet reasons). A few of the vinyl window frames completely failed, but never dropped the glass all the way out. Dual pain glass windows don’t really shatter that way from heat alone. The rubber seal fails and they just fart. Even the houses that remained had major smoke damage and weren’t lived in for months for smoke damage construction. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: For some reason, the "reinforced concrete pillbox in the middle of a 500' clearing" style of architecture never really took off. But concrete tile and stucco are things that don't burn. The biggest bitch are the windows. When the heat of the fire causes the glass to expand it shatters. Once there's a hole in the building it's in danger. I’ve worked on three different houses in the Camp Fire zone of Paradice that survived due to non combustible building materials when everything around it burned. Metal roof. Stucco or hardi/ concrete siding. No wood decks up against the house (All of these burned for obvious ember magnet reasons). A few of the vinyl window frames completely failed, but never dropped the glass all the way out. Dual pain glass windows don’t really shatter that way from heat alone. The rubber seal fails and they just fart. Even the houses that remained had major smoke damage and weren’t lived in for months for smoke damage construction. One big issue is that you can do everything right with your house but end up losing it if the neighbor's house is close enough and they didn't take any precautions. House to house destruction is a big issue especially when you get into track houses. People think that since they live in a suburban track development that they are not at risk and ignore fire wise construction and landscaping. Then you loose a block because of house to house spread or ember shower. |
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