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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:01:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:03:48 AM EDT
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I don't carry a cell phone.
I have one, but it's only turned on at my cabin. It sits on a shelf turned off the rest of the time. Usually with a dead battery. 
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:05:46 AM EDT
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If your battery is totally drained you might not get tracked. Even in the OFF position they can still potentially register your phone.
When a Stingray tracking device is turned on, it pretends it is a cell phone tower. It simulates the call out from the tower to nearby phones, even when they’re not turned on. Those phones, in turn, respond to the Stingray by reporting in their phone number and a unique electronic serial ID number. At least... according to this website. How Stingray works |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:06:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just leave your phone on and at home. When I was with my lawyer she leaves her phone on her desk.... And later when I get home, I get flooded with all kinds of ads related to what we discussed. Yeah "(in my best Jim Nabors/Gomer Pyle-voice) surprise, surprise, surprise!" Seems pretty logical, since FB had like billions of image of people's face. Have a nice day everyone. 
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:06:26 AM EDT
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 Government Surveillance System ARGUS Is The Highest Resolution Video Camera In The World | DARPA This was like 13 years ago. They can trace you back to where you came into an event. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:07:11 AM EDT
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Pick up a digital camera if you want to record stuff, they are cheap enough.
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:09:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leave the phone at home frequently, to set precedent. Leave it for the trip, use cash, use a mask with structure, put a small rock in your shoe, drive a vehicle with no tracking, loose fitting clothes and reflective sunglasses. If photo or video is needed take a dedicated camera. And wear a hat that blinds cameras.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:23:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Accelerometer in the phone is precise enough to track you with two end points to work with. Remember those games where you walk around the room and move the phone, or tilt it? My iPhone has a fairly accurate compass app on it. I think (???) strong magnets will completely fuck up the function of the accelerometer and compass while near the phone. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:25:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Does it or would it look suspicious where suddenly your phone was off grid in a 24-48 hour time span? My point is, those people could’ve left their phones behind but they would show up as not in use. Am I right? Privacy security and osint by Michael Bazzell |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:25:48 AM EDT
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Take a page from Leftists if you’re going to partake in hooligan activity:
- No phone - No devices with any sort of connectivity - Completely sanitize your gear. No patches, no ID, no nothing. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:26:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pick up a digital camera if you want to record stuff, they are cheap enough. Make sure it's a cheap one, a lot of them have tracking stuff. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:27:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think (???) strong magnets will completely fuck up the function of the accelerometer and compass while near the phone. Storing it in bag with some helium will temporarily disable that feature. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:28:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take a page from Leftists if you’re going to partake in hooligan activity: - No phone - No devices with any sort of connectivity - Completely sanitize your gear. No patches, no ID, no nothing. Close but no cigar. @eesmith |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:29:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Person of Interest was more accurate in a lot of ways than it probably appeared at first glance. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:29:44 AM EDT
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I keep my phone fully inserted into my rectum to block the signals.
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:30:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Does it or would it look suspicious where suddenly your phone was off grid in a 24-48 hour time span? My point is, those people could’ve left their phones behind but they would show up as not in use. Am I right? Some corporation will buy that info and figure out that you were up at Lake Soandso and you could use some new camping gear. Were you worried about someone besides the corporations that keep detailed records of everything you do? |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:30:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just leave your phone on and at home.
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:31:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some corporation will buy that info and figure out that you were up at Lake Soandso and you could use some new camping gear. Were you worried about someone besides the corporations that keep detailed records of everything you do? hi, Mr. FBI... get a fucking warrant. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:32:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seemed pretty obvious when pretty much all companies stopped using removable batteries all at once that something was up. Also when commercial fishing we would turn our phones off (no service anyway) Our older flip phones turned back on full battery. When we got free upgraded to new "smart phones" they were damn near dead after several days. At first you think wtf what a POS until the light bulb goes off..... Power off means the screen is off and nothing else. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:32:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Won’t matter a lot. Eventually you reconnect to the cell network ms accelerometer data will put you in the area anyway. It’s that good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not that I would ever attend such a threat on our democracy event but I keep a faraday phone pouch with me. Won’t matter a lot. Eventually you reconnect to the cell network ms accelerometer data will put you in the area anyway. It’s that good. +1 That’s how it was explained here in a prior thread. Which apps, etc gather that, I don’t understand/know, but it’s done and when you reconnect to service, all that information is sent. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:33:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: hi, Mr. FBI... get a fucking warrant. I got news for you. Nobody needs one. You can go buy that info on the open market, yourself. Your life history has been on commercial sale since before the day you were born. Why should the FBI need a warrant to go buy stuff that is as available as the stuff on a Walmart shelf? |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:33:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i treat my cell phone like its a landline Sorta defeats the purpose, no? Or are just referring to the times when you are out trespassing on the kings property? |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:33:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leave the phone at home frequently, to set precedent. Leave it for the trip, use cash, use a mask with structure, put a small rock in your shoe, drive a vehicle with no tracking, loose fitting clothes and reflective sunglasses. If photo or video is needed take a dedicated camera. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:35:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It only works for incriminating white extremists. Inadequate for Leftist mules stealing elections |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:35:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your battery is totally drained you might not get tracked. Even in the OFF position they can still potentially register your phone. When a Stingray tracking device is turned on, it pretends it is a cell phone tower. It simulates the call out from the tower to nearby phones, even when they’re not turned on. Those phones, in turn, respond to the Stingray by reporting in their phone number and a unique electronic serial ID number. At least... according to this website. How Stingray works +1 Yup, very basic stuff but incredibly important to understand. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:35:26 AM EDT
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Why would leave your phone at home when engaged in legal, Constitutionally protected speech, peaceable assembly and petition of government for redress of grievances?
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:36:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I got news for you. Nobody needs one. You can go buy that info on the open market, yourself. Your life history has been on commercial sale since before the day you were born. Why should the FBI need a warrant to go buy stuff that is as available as the stuff on a Walmart shelf? Obviously it was a tongue in cheek reponse ... to your post... Sheldon. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:37:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After two decades of smoking cavemen stupid enough to use cell and sat phones with UAV's it's hard to take Uhmerican's who can't disconnect from their social contract seriously. Im not actively engaged in combat with the united states military 
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:37:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Won't matter a lot. Eventually you reconnect to the cell network ms accelerometer data will put you in the area anyway. It's that good. Also, that's why I store my phone taped inside my wheel, just tape an equal amount of weights on the opposite inside of the rim! |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:38:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have told this story before, but it bares repeating. There was an episode of the first 48 where a murder suspect had someone take his phone 120 miles away from Tulsa to OKC on the day of the murder, to throw detectives off his tracks. His alibi was he was getting his daughter from OKC.They figured out he wasn't with his phone somehow. I don't recall how. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:38:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obviously it was a tongue in cheek reponse ... to your post... Sheldon. Poe's Law. Lots of people really believe the FBI needs a warrant. Lots of people are worried about the government doing things that are not even one tenth of what regular businesses do. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:38:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the issue with folks over-simplifying burners; if there is a pattern of phone 'a' being online 99% of the time, but when it's not, phone 'b' comes online (and only when 'a' is offline) that's an easy pattern for AI to catch. That, and you should NEVER have a burner device in the same area as your other devices or they will associate vie wireless and bluetooth. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:40:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That, and you should NEVER have a burner device in the same area as your other devices or they will associate vie wireless and bluetooth. Good post. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:40:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't do that, the reason is that these big high-tech companies have figured out how to tell who exactly you are by listening to you talk on someone elses' phone. I know I intentionally left my cell phone at home, and I went to see my lawyer. When I was with my lawyer she leaves her phone on her desk.... And later when I get home, I get flooded with all kinds of ads related to what we discussed. Yeah "(in my best Jim Nabors/Gomer Pyle-voice) surprise, surprise, surprise!" Seems pretty logical, since FB had like billions of image of people's face. Have a nice day everyone. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:42:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would leave your phone at home when engaged in legal, Constitutionally protected speech, peaceable assembly and petition of government for redress of grievances? For the same reason the founders dressed up as Indians to destroy commercial property. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:43:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would leave your phone at home when engaged in legal, Constitutionally protected speech, peaceable assembly and petition of government for redress of grievances? Screen name does not check out. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:44:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the issue with folks over-simplifying burners; if there is a pattern of phone 'a' being online 99% of the time, but when it's not, phone 'b' comes online (and only when 'a' is offline) that's an easy pattern for AI to catch. As long as there is some dissociative distance it's not going to be easy to spot. Phone A should never go off, it can just sit at home or ride the back of a delivery truck. Phone B should be clean and only used once. Or skip phone B altogether... |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:44:31 AM EDT
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Makes you wonder why all cell phones now have non-removable batteries when 15 years ago it was the norm. Yeah, I know it's probably cheaper and makes for a thinner phone...
Also, will never cease to amaze me how much resources they threw at tracking down the Jan. 6th protesters. Countless man hours, publishing photos for the general public to ID, all the cell phone geofence warrants. All for what amounts to trespassing with minimal property damage. Compare this to the responses to anti-Trump protesters outside the white house (who set fires), presidential inaugural protests or any of the 2020 BLM riots. Anarcho-tyranny state pretty much describes it. White people are not allowed to misbehave and will be crushed by the state. It sounds dramatic to say but sad to say its the truth. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:50:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes you wonder why all cell phones now have non-removable batteries when 15 years ago it was the norm. Yeah, I know it's probably cheaper and makes for a thinner phone... Also, will never cease to amaze me how much resources they threw at tracking down the Jan. 6th protesters. Countless man hours, publishing photos for the general public to ID, all the cell phone geofence warrants. All for what amounts to trespassing with minimal property damage. Compare this to the responses to anti-Trump protesters outside the white house (who set fires), presidential inaugural protests or any of the 2020 BLM riots. Anarcho-tyranny state pretty much describes it. White people are not allowed to misbehave and will be crushed by the state. It sounds dramatic to say but sad to say its the truth. Funny how people are getting so many years in jail over some minimal property damage. What happened there? |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:51:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a ton of variables to consider if you're attempting to move with no signature. Good luck. The surveillance state is here. The mere act of leaving your phone at home isn't enough. You have long established patterns that have been collected as various forms of data. A disruption of those patterns... is also a data point that will be keyed in on and evaluated. It would be a glaring anomaly in the baseline. Use of cash... avoidance of cameras... your vehicle probably has location data. There are so many variables to consider when attempting to move with reduced or zero signature in this current environment. All of this. It’s nearly impossible to move without being tracked in some measure. Leave your phone at home? Freeway cameras are going to track your movement. Avoid the freeways? There are gas station and home security cameras to worry about. Rent a car? Data to track on that too. Don’t kid yourself about living in a surveillance state. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:52:02 AM EDT
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It sounds like the solution to this is to completely discharge the phone battery.
Then carry a portable charger with you to power it up when you need it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Seemed pretty obvious when pretty much all companies stopped using removable batteries all at once that something was up. Also when commercial fishing we would turn our phones off (no service anyway) Our older flip phones turned back on full battery. When we got free upgraded to new "smart phones" they were damn near dead after several days. At first you think wtf what a POS until the light bulb goes off..... Power off means the screen is off and nothing else. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:53:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of this. It's nearly impossible to move without being tracked in some measure. Leave your phone at home? Freeway cameras are going to track your movement. Avoid the freeways? There are gas station and home security cameras to worry about. Rent a car? Data to track on that too. Don't kid yourself about living in a surveillance state. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:54:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which begs the question, do faraday cage is actually work. Can your phone internally track where you’re going and movement? Then again, my conspiracy mind may be hitting peak. I’m getting ready to hit the gym and maybe that’s what I need. If you put your phone in a Faraday cage and it won't receive a text it isn't connected to the cell tower. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:57:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes you wonder why all cell phones now have non-removable batteries when 15 years ago it was the norm. Yeah, I know it's probably cheaper and makes for a thinner phone... Also, will never cease to amaze me how much resources they threw at tracking down the Jan. 6th protesters. Countless man hours, publishing photos for the general public to ID, all the cell phone geofence warrants. All for what amounts to trespassing with minimal property damage. Compare this to the responses to anti-Trump protesters outside the white house (who set fires), presidential inaugural protests or any of the 2020 BLM riots. Anarcho-tyranny state pretty much describes it. White people are not allowed to misbehave and will be crushed by the state. It sounds dramatic to say but sad to say its the truth. Yep the cops invited them in. So what some of them attempted to break down the doors to the chamber with intent to change the legal outcome of a national election? Completely irrelevant |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 11:58:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your battery is totally drained you might not get tracked. Even in the OFF position they can still potentially register your phone. When a Stingray tracking device is turned on, it pretends it is a cell phone tower. It simulates the call out from the tower to nearby phones, even when they’re not turned on. Those phones, in turn, respond to the Stingray by reporting in their phone number and a unique electronic serial ID number. At least... according to this website. How Stingray works Few if any phones have a physical switch, so there is no "position" for off. I'm not sure why you'd say something like that unless you were looking to mislead people. Also, if it really is off, then it won't be talking to anything. The problem is that people incorrectly conflate the screen off suspend state with the whole phone being off, just like you did. If the phone's radios are powered, it can give you away. They can be turned off with firmware controls, but you'd have to trust the phone to really tell them to turn off, and the firmware to really turn off when told to - I would not make that bet. So you need to be able to remove the battery or have a physical switch that disconnects the electrical connection between the battery and the rest of the phone. Either of those will make it completely stop spying on you and stop giving away your location and other data. But, as someone else posted, now you have to worry about everyone else's phone. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:03:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:15:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im not actively engaged in combat with the united states military |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:17:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep the cops invited them in. So what some of them attempted to break down the doors to the chamber with intent to change the legal outcome of a national election? Completely irrelevant You see mobs carrying a noose and chanting "Hang Mike Pence!" pretty much every day. On the way to a picnic in the park, and stuff. |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:17:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Assume they got our phones, assume they got our houses, assume they got us, right here, right now as we sit, everything. Assume it all. I assume they'll send bachelors? |
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Posted: 12/29/2022 12:18:31 PM EDT
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This is the ultimate game of "SQUIRREL!"
Who are we worried about as the big data collectors and tracking your every movement? Remind me again. |
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