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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:34:17 PM EDT
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This link doesn’t really help but does show the confusion https://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/166233-mp5k-operational-briefcase-question.html#/topics/166233?page=1 Interesting read Another ad for cases like the OP’s It also has the silver brass deflector mentioned in this post: https://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/166233-mp5k-operational-briefcase-question.html#post1249851 So, that's several items now all pointing toward, IT'S A REPLICA. It's not a different "variant", it's not a different "version", it's not a different "generation". HK did not make this case. I'm not saying it's a Chinese airsoft case, but it's not an authentic HK produced/licensed/original case. No where in the listing did it state "...case *FOR* HK MP5." It was listed as a "HK MP5 Case" that was "Made in Germany"......yet everything we are seeing in these links say it wasn't made in Germany. HK didn't put an ARMS mount in this thing in Germany. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:34:56 PM EDT
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@delorean
I didn't see you post it, but how did you purchase it and how was it delivered? I.E. check, credit card, etc. and USPS, FedEx, UPS, respectively. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:39:07 PM EDT
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No where in the listing did it state "...case *FOR* HK MP5." It was listed as a "HK MP5 Case" that was "Made in Germany" |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:39:20 PM EDT
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Sturmgewehr is where all the old time NFA dealers hang out that are crooks. Van from autoweapons.com hung out there. What does that tell you? Buddy Hinton is also a douchebag. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:40:16 PM EDT
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I'm still coming to terms with $3,000 for a briefcase. I'm with you on the price though. I really want one but would be happy with a nice copy of it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:40:25 PM EDT
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I’ll give you $1,500 for it...
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:43:37 PM EDT
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@delorean I didn't see you post it, but how did you purchase it and how was it delivered? I.E. check, credit card, etc. and USPS, FedEx, UPS, respectively. Then the case was shipped via USPS Priority Mail in a plain box across state lines. (One note: seller used a bunch of new Priority Mail bubble envelopes as packing material which "may be in violation of federal law" per their website when it comes to misuse of USPS packaging.) |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:47:55 PM EDT
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I’ll give you $1,500 for it... If I only paid $1500 for it, and found out it was a replica, I wouldn't be as pissed as I am now since I got what I paid for. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:50:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personal check (which already cleared), mailed through the US Mail across state lines. Then the case was shipped via USPS Priority Mail in a plain box across state lines. (One note: seller used a bunch of new Priority Mail bubble envelopes as packing material which "may be in violation of federal law" per their website when it comes to misuse of USPS packaging.) |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:57:57 PM EDT
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No where in the listing did it state "...case *FOR* HK MP5." It was listed as a "HK MP5 Case" that was "Made in Germany"......yet everything we are seeing in these links say it wasn't made in Germany. HK didn't put an ARMS mount in this thing in Germany. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:58:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm quite content with my unlocked older $299 cell phones I buy every two years. $2000 for a cell phone is just as nutty as a $3000 briefcase.  Buy a broken phone for $100 Have a phone repair shop swap the guts for $50. End up with newest flagship phone for $200. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:09:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personal check (which already cleared), mailed through the US Mail across state lines. Then the case was shipped via USPS Priority Mail in a plain box across state lines. (One note: seller used a bunch of new Priority Mail bubble envelopes as packing material which "may be in violation of federal law" per their website when it comes to misuse of USPS packaging.) -You may have already done this, but if not I would contact your bank and let them know you believe you were a victim of fraud. Explain the situation and ask them if they have any protections for that. If so, they will likely ask you to file a police report and bring a copy to them. -If you're set on going federal because of the mail fraud aspect. You're probably better filing a complaint with the US Postal Inspection Service by contacting one of their local offices. The issue that you may run into there is since your loss is relatively minor on the Federal scale, it will probably not meet the threshold for follow-up. They will likely tell you your best recourse is civil, so I don't know if it would be worth your time/effort. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:11:26 PM EDT
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????????
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:11:45 PM EDT
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Are you saying that the made in Germany stamp is fake (due to it being a replica?)
I am more inclined to think that these are just from a different source overseas as it mentions in the other ads. I would think they are worth more than $1500 as they originally sold for more than that when they first came back into the country. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:18:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personal check (which already cleared), mailed through the US Mail across state lines. Then the case was shipped via USPS Priority Mail in a plain box across state lines. (One note: seller used a bunch of new Priority Mail bubble envelopes as packing material which "may be in violation of federal law" per their website when it comes to misuse of USPS packaging.) 
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:21:46 PM EDT
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Are you saying that the made in Germany stamp is fake (due to it being a replica?) I am more inclined to think that these are just from a different source overseas as it mentions in the other ads. I would think they are worth more than $1500 as they originally sold for more than that when they first came back into the country. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:24:58 PM EDT
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It seems that asking a couple questions could have avoided all of the OP’s problems.
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:27:25 PM EDT
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I had someone sell me an 'original sling' on a Japanese Type 38. Ended up being a similar Swede sling people used to use as stand-ins.
Seller just didn't care, because didn't want to refudn any money, even though items then loses $100 of value. GUN BROKER DOESN'T DO SHIT. THEY WON'T EVEN ANSWER EMAILS. They'll make you file police report and all that. Good luck... |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:28:23 PM EDT
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It seems that asking a couple questions could have avoided all of the OP’s problems. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:30:41 PM EDT
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$3,000+++ for a briefcase? holy shit.. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:31:54 PM EDT
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OP, how exactly is the item not as described?
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:40:09 PM EDT
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Yeah, this blows my mind. A three thousand dollar briefcase. A briefcase. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm still coming to terms with $3,000 for a briefcase. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:44:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for posting these......that helps. I'm pretty sure the case I got has an ARMS mount since the release lever is mounted toward the rear of the case (same as the third link above.) Also, it fits flat across the top--it doesn't have the two legs that attach it to the case. It also has the silver brass deflector mentioned in this post: https://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/166233-mp5k-operational-briefcase-question.html#post1249851 So, that's several items now all pointing toward, IT'S A REPLICA. It's not a different "variant", it's not a different "version", it's not a different "generation". HK did not make this case. I'm not saying it's a Chinese airsoft case, but it's not an authentic HK produced/licensed/original case. No where in the listing did it state "...case *FOR* HK MP5." It was listed as a "HK MP5 Case" that was "Made in Germany"......yet everything we are seeing in these links say it wasn't made in Germany. HK didn't put an ARMS mount in this thing in Germany. 
It sounds like a homework issue and that you didn’t do it until you had something iffy in your hands. A quick look at the photos and you can see it has Phillips head screws. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:44:33 PM EDT
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OP, how exactly is the item not as described? OP: maybe edit the first post and add all the extra info you provided. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:51:58 PM EDT
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I don't understand why so many people are not getting it.
If OP accidently bought a fake ACOG, no one would be trying to shame OP or say he got what he asked for/what was presented to him. But make it a more expensive item, especially for HK owners and half of you are wildly and deliriously blaming the guy that appears to have been scammed instead of the scammer. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:08:16 PM EDT
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Ouch,yeah i would be pissed too.
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:10:20 PM EDT
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Postiing to see where this goes.
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:12:40 PM EDT
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It seems that asking a couple questions could have avoided all of the OP’s problems. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:13:13 PM EDT
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How would GD handle? Fire up the killdozer |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:16:03 PM EDT
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Go to HKpro and start asking questions and posting pics |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:29:19 PM EDT
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Did someone say this is Taylor pickerell? Edit: it is him. He is a VERY popular gunsmith I’d be extremely surprised if this is actually a counterfeit briefcase. It doesn’t sound like it is. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:33:53 PM EDT
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It seems that asking a couple questions could have avoided all of the OP’s problems. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:38:32 PM EDT
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Found the fan boi I have just heard countless good feedback from friends, internet strangers, and industry professionals. I would say that I hear as much good feedback on his barrel work as I do about class 3 machining (who I have used, and love. They’re also an industry partner here). There’s still been nothing posted that shows this ISN’T an authentic HK case. It appears it’s just not the variant the OP now realized he wanted. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:40:46 PM EDT
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There are lots of posts about that from the OP if you look through the thread. OP: maybe edit the first lost and add all the extra info you provided. It would appear that as advertised: The case is a Hofbeauer made in Germany. It does fit an MP5. I don't see where anything further was advertised. OP may have assumed some things about the case that turned out not to be true, but I don't see where any of that was advertised. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:41:03 PM EDT
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$3000 for a brief case and we hoe bitches for buying $3000 purses lol
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:48:58 PM EDT
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Stopped caring when I read HK
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:59:46 PM EDT
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2014 join date. 1st post. Louisiana. Are you the seller? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems that asking a couple questions could have avoided all of the OP’s problems. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:00:59 AM EDT
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I have it in the safe at work, but if you look at this website, you can see what I'm talking about. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/10/27/review-hk-mp5k-briefcase-modifications/ The one I received has a metal handle and Phillips head screws just like this one: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/PC190931-920x690.jpg The real ones are plastic with flat heads and a different profile......look like this: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/IMG_4543-920x690.jpg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/IMG_4541.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP should post some pics so we can see the issues he is upset about. Hard to give advice without pics. That's what I would do. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/10/27/review-hk-mp5k-briefcase-modifications/ The one I received has a metal handle and Phillips head screws just like this one: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/PC190931-920x690.jpg The real ones are plastic with flat heads and a different profile......look like this: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/IMG_4543-920x690.jpg https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/IMG_4541.jpg How was what you received different from the pics? not trying to bust you balls just a question. What did he say when you asked him why the handle was different before you bought it? |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:06:23 AM EDT
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The Gunbroker listing itself is accurate "Hofbauer MP5K Briefcase made in German" That is an accurate description of the said case. When Hofbeauer cases were being made/modified for HK they were just cases they were not being made for collector's value years later. If they were out of one type of screw and had to use another they would have just done used whatever else they had. The blogger's information that SW may had converted the same Hofbauer cases, or ordered them speced out slightly different, may or may not be accurate. It would still be a "Hofbauer MP5K Briefcase made in German" even if that is correct. I understand OP's concern, this case would considered to worth less as a collector's item, but it also a bit of a buyer's mistake. 
And I would had to have some HK buddies check out the ad as I know very little about HKs. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:07:21 AM EDT
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Dispute with credit card company. You did pay with a credit card, right?
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:11:22 AM EDT
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Dispute with credit card company. You did pay with a credit card, right? |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:21:47 AM EDT
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He paid with a check |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:22:13 AM EDT
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Meh, depending.. I would go scorched earth on the fucker.. Its a matter of principle.... IF on the other hand the 1K loss is not worth the squeeze I do understand.. Chalk it up as a lesson and move on.... Either way its shitty that he has represented himself as a fucktard... A real man would have reversed the transaction in a situation like this.. He is CLEARLY a scammer....
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:35:52 AM EDT
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Sure. I’ve been saving this account since 2014 just for this occasion. Actually, I was surprised to see that this was my first post although I usually just lurk and read. By the way, did I say anything incorrect? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems that asking a couple questions could have avoided all of the OP’s problems. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:37:01 AM EDT
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Meh, depending.. I would go scorched earth on the fucker.. Its a matter of principle.... IF on the other hand the 1K loss is not worth the squeeze I do understand.. Chalk it up as a lesson and move on.... Either way its shitty that he has represented himself as a fucktard... A real man would have reversed the transaction in a situation like this.. He is CLEARLY a scammer.... |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:39:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personal check (which already cleared), mailed through the US Mail across state lines. Then the case was shipped via USPS Priority Mail in a plain box across state lines. (One note: seller used a bunch of new Priority Mail bubble envelopes as packing material which "may be in violation of federal law" per their website when it comes to misuse of USPS packaging.) |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:44:23 AM EDT
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He paid with a check 
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Posted: 4/20/2019 12:53:48 AM EDT
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Meh, depending.. I would go scorched earth on the fucker.. Its a matter of principle.... IF on the other hand the 1K loss is not worth the squeeze I do understand.. Chalk it up as a lesson and move on.... Either way its shitty that he has represented himself as a fucktard... A real man would have reversed the transaction in a situation like this.. He is CLEARLY a scammer.... I don't fault the OP for buying what he thought was a real HK case from a seller that is linked with a reputable(or claimed to be) machine gun smith. Its also worth saying that a lot of people in the MG industry are not the best as giving information on guns so it doesn't surprise me that the description wasn't as clear as it should have been. I gotta say if I was buying one of these cases I wouldn't have known the difference in the handles or screws and didn't know that Todd Bailey made copies using the same case. A vendor who I thought was legit selling it would have been fine. People saying post it on HK Pro and let them way in are on the right track. I'm guessing you will find people there with more information on it. I mean do we know if any of the licensed makers of the mp5 guns like MKE didn't source the case from Germany and modify it themselves? Maybe some people have more info on what Bailey actually did and how to identify if its actually one of his conversions. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 1:57:05 AM EDT
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I’d go scorched earth on the fucker. The wording of his messages to you is sooooo fucking telling. Dude is sketchy AF and he knew what he was about.
In other news, anyone who pays for anything via personal check in 2019 *almost* deserves to be defrauded. They’re a short step up from Western Union. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 5:44:02 AM EDT
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I’d try to get the money back but I wouldn’t sell it for 1,500 probably works just like the HK one, if it is a replica looks real enough to me.
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