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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:22:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: We sort of did stuff like this before during Desert Storm with Iraqi Xerox copiers. Also one reason we really don't like Chinese chips in our military equipment. Not real comforting thinking about those port cranes from the other day. Or everything civilian really |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:27:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I don't know if that's just the battery going off, but it seems someone was in the manufacturing cycle to put something extra in the devices that were knowingly going to Hamas to be used. A battery w/ 10% charge is way less energetic than one w/ 90% charge. I’m not an engineer, so interested to find out how it was done. ETA —
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:30:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Not real comforting thinking about those port cranes from the other day. Or everything civilian really Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: We sort of did stuff like this before during Desert Storm with Iraqi Xerox copiers. Also one reason we really don't like Chinese chips in our military equipment. Not real comforting thinking about those port cranes from the other day. Or everything civilian really Yep, I recommend investing in American where and when you can. I sort of hesitated to answer my cell phone this morning after hearing the initial reports. 
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WY, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:32:14 AM EST
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Step 1: Cause severe casualties across all of Hezbollah's decision makers that carry a communication device.
Step 2: ??? I think next step is going into Lebanon and doing so against a limping disorganized enemy. This is absolutely unreal. Spy novel shit. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:33:23 AM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:34:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Reminder that Clash Report is a pro Russian account.
significantly, particularly within the defense and security sectors. As of 2023, Motorola Solutions is recognized as a key supplier of communication and surveillance technology to various Israeli military and security agencies. Its products are reportedly used in illegal Israeli settlements and along the separation wall in the West Bank. Notably, Motorola provides the Israeli military with a 4G cellular network and has developed encrypted communication systems for military personnel. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:35:47 AM EST
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Now do the houthis
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AL, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:36:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yep, I recommend investing in American where and when you can. I sort of hesitated to answer my cell phone this morning after hearing the initial reports. Fuck it. I'm going back to a rotary phone landline and handwritten letters |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:37:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Fuck it. I'm going back to a rotary phone landline and handwritten letters Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yep, I recommend investing in American where and when you can. I sort of hesitated to answer my cell phone this morning after hearing the initial reports. Fuck it. I'm going back to a rotary phone landline and handwritten letters lol, yeah I don't blame anyone thinking the same after this.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:39:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Now do the houthis Should take confiscated fentanyl and ship it over there and mix it with their khat |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:47:03 AM EST
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No just isolated to Lebanon. I wonder if any Iranian IRGC HVTs were carrying them?
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USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:48:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
And here I was, complaining about the Saturday 4 AM pages. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:48:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: PanzerOfDoom]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Lord forgive me but I actually kinda like this ghetto carrier; one competently built and armed with drones and missiles could be a quick firepower boost:
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:48:46 AM EST
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Hat tip to the Israelis, again.
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:49:23 AM EST
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Hez got lucky, his pager was in a dresser drawer. Looks more like a small shaped charge, not a normal battery failure.
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:55:41 AM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:00:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Hat tip to the Israelis, again. Motorola did this.
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:03:28 AM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:14:04 AM EST
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Looks like my earlier guess will be right. Israel somehow placed explosives in these and got the into the hands of hezbollah. Shows us what happens when you don’t control the supply chain.
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:17:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Looks like my earlier guess will be right. Israel somehow placed explosives in these and got the into the hands of hezbollah. Shows us what happens when you don’t control the supply chain. Based on what information do you make that statement? Curious. CMOS |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:24:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: Mal_means_bad]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: Based on what information do you make that statement? Curious. CMOS |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:29:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Some of the explosions demonstrate a lot of penetration. One punched through the top of a dresser, whatever was in the top drawer, and into the bottom drawer, leaving a little bigger than golf ball sized hole. Some of the wounds were fatal torso penetrations. Several of the pagers exploded in a pocket and made an exit wound in the inner thigh. I don't think batteries alone can do that, even if intentionally detonated. For reasons. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:30:14 AM EST
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german elections and politics are strange |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:37:23 AM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:44:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: ~30 grams of explosives is an amount that some have mentioned. Haven’t seen much convo about a blasting cap. Wonder how it was made. For reasons. If I was doing it, I'd manufacture a "special" batch of batteries. Because nobody really disassembles batteries, and they have quite a few chemicals inside. How they detonate them is another question. Depending on your budget, it is probably feasible to build the radio detonators into the batteries themselves, especially if you can broadcast a more powerful signal than the actual paging cellular network. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:49:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voyager3: If I was doing it, I'd manufacture a "special" batch of batteries. Because nobody really disassembles batteries, and they have quite a few chemicals inside. How they detonate them is another question. Depending on your budget, it is probably feasible to build the radio detonators into the batteries themselves, especially if you can broadcast a more powerful signal than the actual paging cellular network. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voyager3: Originally Posted By HIPPO: ~30 grams of explosives is an amount that some have mentioned. Haven’t seen much convo about a blasting cap. Wonder how it was made. For reasons. If I was doing it, I'd manufacture a "special" batch of batteries. Because nobody really disassembles batteries, and they have quite a few chemicals inside. How they detonate them is another question. Depending on your budget, it is probably feasible to build the radio detonators into the batteries themselves, especially if you can broadcast a more powerful signal than the actual paging cellular network. How the hell did the Israelis get that deep into the supply chain to plant these devices? This is James Bond level shit. CMOS |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:54:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Some of the explosions demonstrate a lot of penetration. One punched through the top of a dresser, whatever was in the top drawer, and into the bottom drawer, leaving a little bigger than golf ball sized hole. Some of the wounds were fatal torso penetrations. Several of the pagers exploded in a pocket and made an exit wound in the inner thigh. I don't think batteries alone can do that, even if intentionally detonated. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Originally Posted By CMOS: Based on what information do you make that statement? Curious. CMOS I looked up at some injuries after cell phones or cheap chinese vapes exploded in people pockets. Not one of these explosions was that powerful. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:54:21 AM EST
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lots of injuries at this hospital. 53 sec video
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USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:54:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: How the hell did the Israelis get that deep into the supply chain to plant these devices? This is James Bond level shit. CMOS Motorola used to have a lot of engineering presence in Israel, at least before it became a shadow if its former self. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:57:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: german elections and politics are strange Quite easy to explain. They know they are out of power after the next election in September 2025. But if they sign contracts and spend the money now, the next government can't do much about this. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:03:51 AM EST
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:04:50 AM EST
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With one hand tied behind their back or just in a torniquet?
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:12:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: How the hell did the Israelis get that deep into the supply chain to plant these devices? This is James Bond level shit. CMOS Everyone is reporting these were pagers, not cell phones. Probably not too many customers or suppliers around. Hezbollah is cheap, so they probably fell right into an Israeli Lester's trap (see video). Not to mention Hezbollah and Iran have few friends in the region, and Saudi, Jordanian or Egyptian intelligence would gladly help an effort to hit them. They are not universally popular in Syria and Lebanon, either.  The Wire - Lester does business with Bernard |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:15:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXqF0f3XcAApuP9?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXqF0f_WoAAv1g9?format=jpg&name=large |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:16:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: I wonder why they didn't mention Guam. Guam to Taiwan is only about 1500 nm. Guam is gonna be doing constant overtime fending off strikes, they listed locations unlikely to be in range of China hypersonic missiles. Videos from just last year  Missile defense in the Indo-Pacific  Dale Strong Urges Comprehensive Missile Defense System For Guam |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:16:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GBTX01: Interesting!
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:19:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voyager3: Motorola used to have a lot of engineering presence in Israel, at least before it became a shadow if its former self. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voyager3: Originally Posted By CMOS: How the hell did the Israelis get that deep into the supply chain to plant these devices? This is James Bond level shit. CMOS Motorola used to have a lot of engineering presence in Israel, at least before it became a shadow if its former self. Rule #1 is never underestimate Mossad. Rule #2 is never underestimate the capability, resolve, and involvement of seemingly benign Israeli businesses and civilians. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:21:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: ~30 grams of explosives is an amount that some have mentioned. Haven’t seen much convo about a blasting cap. Wonder how it was made. For reasons. They killed the Engineer in 1996 with 15 grams of RDX in a phone. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:32:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: This has been on every Russian TG channel for a few days, so we might as well look at it too.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXNhXjWXAAA5BXC?format=png&name=small snip |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:34:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 2023
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7EbIlvaEAA6GM5?format=jpg&name=small Today:
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:37:06 AM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:38:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Rule #1 is never underestimate Mossad. Rule #2 is never underestimate the capability, resolve, and involvement of seemingly benign Israeli businesses and civilians. This being a hard to repeat feat, I hope it's just the first punch in a combo. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:48:14 AM EST
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What Israel has done is effectively 'marked' at least a group of those designated as Hezbollah. They'd use intelligence to select which pager numbers to detonate, so even if it was a cyber attack or a supply chain compromise, you're able to validate through intelligence reporting and message traffic that you're targeting the right device. The 'marking' though, is a small, nuanced part of that and it's stuck in my brain. Imagine for a moment Israel is questioning a suspected Hezbollah guy after an operation. They take a closer look and he's got this nasty scar running up his thigh. 'How'd you get that scar?' 'uh, scooter accident' You've also, of course (and as is the most likely largest benefit), massively disrupted communications between Hezbollah operatives. Each of us probably looked at our phones and said 'oh damn what if my phone just...went off'. Imagine being Hezbollah with a pager that DIDNT go off; it was hucked in the trash .2 seconds after hearing this story from their buddies. Now imagine that your section leader needs to get ahold of you. Imagine how many of their senior leaders were running pagers, which they switched to years ago knowing that Israel was using phones to not only track them, but intercept communications (See: https://ynetnews.com/article/sya00qlswa). That said, Hezbollah will move on from the pagers now because the capability is burned. Back to dead drops and smoke signals, I guess. There's a precedent for these types of operations and they're normally reserved for movies, but the movies got the idea from SOMEWHERE. History is the best movie lore. 
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:50:38 AM EST
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One wonders what other folk were injured, such as Hezbollah-linked “journalists” or members of NGOs who have ties to the group…if Hezbollah is anything like Hamas it will have its members infiltrating many organizations. It would be embarrassing if employees of the UN or workers at a UN facility had pagers linked to this…I guess time will tell X thread
Because people are hitting me up about this left and right. Here is how it works: 1. Technicians buy three of the item, one gets taken all the way down, one stays in the box, the third one they fuck with. 2. On the device taken all the way down, the techs look at the parts. 3. Identify a part that can be slightly enlarged without anyone noticing. 4. 3D print that exact part of the device but just slightly larger to create a gap in the fuel cell, etc. 5. That gap is the room you get the play in. Insert listening devices, trackers, or demo. 6. Now you need to get it into the bad guy's hands. This is done using corporate front companies & unwitting weak links in the bad guy's supply chain. 7. Even underground groups get lazy & choose the path of least resistance. Not uncommon for them to buy in bulk from one place. 8. If possible, you use a recruited asset in the organization to guide them towards the poisoned link in the supply chain, could be a cell phone kiosk, electronics store, or Internet cafe (in the day). 9. Then kaboom. But the amount of demo appears to be non-lethal, so is this just a psyop? A warning? Or just a high end piece of performance art orchestrated by the Israeli intelligence community? For an op like this to be effective, you use it to shape the battle space and follow with strategic strikes. All of the guys centralizing themselves at ERs after the boom, for example. Failing that, you kind of wonder what the point is. That's a lot of resources to put into a op just warning hez that they can be killed at any time, which they already know. Of course it could be simply a way to engineer new comms patterns in the organization, I don't really know. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:51:38 AM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2024 12:00:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66:
X thread [tweet]https://tweet.com/JackMurphyRGR/status/1836062200848380030[/tweet]
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 12:17:01 PM EST
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Skies are starting to get dark over Lebanon and Israel right about now.
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Posted: 9/17/2024 12:21:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Fuck it. I'm going back to a rotary phone landline and handwritten letters Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Yep, I recommend investing in American where and when you can. I sort of hesitated to answer my cell phone this morning after hearing the initial reports. Fuck it. I'm going back to a rotary phone landline and handwritten letters  |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 12:25:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: The ability to move an entire BCT with organic vehicles at the small unit level has been a stated capability since about 2005. Prior to that it was still possible but the relied on vehicles like LMTVs to plug holes. There were still hundreds of vehicles and pieces of heavy equipment associated with IBCTs even prior to that. I don't know where you guys come up with this crap. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Did they add enough vehicles for an entire IBCT to move at once yet or are they still taking turns? The ability to move an entire BCT with organic vehicles at the small unit level has been a stated capability since about 2005. Prior to that it was still possible but the relied on vehicles like LMTVs to plug holes. There were still hundreds of vehicles and pieces of heavy equipment associated with IBCTs even prior to that. I don't know where you guys come up with this crap. Absolutely wild that the MTOEs the Army publishes still only have two organic vehicles per IBCT infantry company 19 years after they made that change. One might think that they are attaching extra vehicles to deploying units instead of having a seat for every IBCT soldier whether deployed or in garrison. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 12:33:15 PM EST
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