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Posted: 8/16/2023 11:28:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3qQKKKWcAAfBL8?format=jpg&name=orig Two more weeks! 
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Posted: 8/16/2023 1:24:53 PM EDT
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FAA ?
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Posted: 8/16/2023 2:34:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: FAA ? More than likely.  6 to 8 weeks, Elon Musk? Try 6 to 8 months!! FAA Starship update, plus the latest from ULA! |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 2:53:18 PM EDT
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I quit listening to that drama queen. At first he was on target more than not. Now he seems more of an irritating click baiter.
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Posted: 8/16/2023 3:12:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: I quit listening to that drama queen. At first he was on target more than not. Now he seems more of an irritating click baiter. He is that and then some. However, he has been right about his FAA predictions most of the time and I have no doubt that the FAA is going to slow-walk this one. If what he states that the FAA is just getting the final incident report now from SpaceX is true, the time frame he is giving is much more plausible than a launch happening in 2 weeks. I'm not getting excited or holding my breath for that either. |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 3:24:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2023 3:44:25 PM EDT
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Saw that this morning. Very tentative indeed.
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Posted: 8/16/2023 4:04:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fulcrum-5]
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Quote HistoryAngry Astronaut? That dude is seldom correct about anything. Not as abjectly terrible as Thunderfoot....but not what I'd call a reliable source. Angry Astronaut aside, that launch isn't happening in two weeks, though. Musk has been quiet about launch date ranges lately. I'd say at least a month, probably two. I'm prepared to be pleasantly surprised, though. |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 4:23:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fulcrum-5: Angry Astronaut? That dude is seldom correct about anything. Not as abjectly terrible as Thunderfoot....but not what I'd call a reliable source. Angry Astronaut aside, that launch isn't happening in two weeks, though. Musk has been quiet about launch date ranges lately. I'd say at least a month, probably two. I'm prepared to be pleasantly surprised, though. I'm going with November/December. We are running in to peak hurricane season also, and a good portion of them wind up in the Gulf. So there is that aspect to look at as well.. |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 7:55:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: I'm going with November/December. We are running in to peak hurricane season also, and a good portion of them wind up in the Gulf. So there is that aspect to look at as well.. Yeah, a Cat-2 or bigger (or, y'know, six of them, back to back...) could definitely alter the schedule a bit... |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 8:09:09 PM EDT
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With El Nino in effect, hurricanes are harder to form. Then again they said it would make for a cooler, wetter summer in Texas.
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Posted: 8/16/2023 9:05:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: With El Nino in effect, hurricanes are harder to form. Then again they said it would make for a cooler, wetter summer in Texas. It's been hot AF in Florida since mid June. |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 9:21:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2023 10:10:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2023 10:15:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: It's been hot AF in Florida since mid June. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By shooter_gregg: With El Nino in effect, hurricanes are harder to form. Then again they said it would make for a cooler, wetter summer in Texas. It's been hot AF in Florida since mid June. |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 10:50:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2023 11:01:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: I quit listening to that drama queen. At first he was on target more than not. Now he seems more of an irritating click baiter. ya he quit his job to be a youtuber. now he has to keep the clicks coming. need constant content and good titles. havent listened to his shit for over a year. |
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Posted: 8/16/2023 11:30:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tortilla-flats]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: We have had consecutive weeks of 100+ weather. This is unusual. The last time I remember it happening was in the early 80s. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: Originally Posted By Dagger41: Originally Posted By shooter_gregg: With El Nino in effect, hurricanes are harder to form. Then again they said it would make for a cooler, wetter summer in Texas. It's been hot AF in Florida since mid June. Brutal. (Arizona man enters the chat) |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 12:29:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: He is that and then some. However, he has been right about his FAA predictions most of the time and I have no doubt that the FAA is going to slow-walk this one. If what he states that the FAA is just getting the final incident report now from SpaceX is true, the time frame he is giving is much more plausible than a launch happening in 2 weeks. I'm not getting excited or holding my breath for that either. Hasn't the FAA been involved the whole time, tho? I was under the impression that they were working together and whatever final report they got was not going to contain any information that they hadn't already seen... |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 12:36:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3s1lBnXUAAA8VP?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Well that answers how they are going to integrate extra shielding to protect the top of the booster. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 6:22:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Hasn't the FAA been involved the whole time, tho? I was under the impression that they were working together and whatever final report they got was not going to contain any information that they hadn't already seen... I cannot speak to that but I don't think the FAA has teamed up with SpaceX to help them along. More than likely one of their investigators is in direct contact and spends time onsite to guide them through bureaucratic rules and guidelines, more like a proof reader more than anything else. "We are from the government and are here to help" does not apply with the FAA. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 8:33:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Leader: Well that answers how they are going to integrate extra shielding to protect the top of the booster. I bet the rings are sacrificed and replaced each flight. |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:42:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Obo2]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: I bet the rings are sacrificed and replaced each flight. Id bet even if they should be elon will do everything possible to make them reusable. It's not like the olm needing to stand up to 33 engines at full thrust. They'll use minimum possible for separation. While that is still a lot of heat and force and who knows how many engines will still be firing on the booster and how many they need to fire up on ship i think they'll manage to reuse the staging ring. The ring does add some interesting possibilities for landing gear... |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:57:00 AM EDT
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Big one tested last night....5 till 9.
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Posted: 8/17/2023 11:02:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: Id bet even if they should be elon will do everything possible to make them reusable. It's not like the olm needing to stand up to 33 engines at full thrust. They'll use minimum possible for separation. While that is still a lot of heat and force and who knows how many engines will still be firing on the booster and how many they need to fire up on ship i think they'll manage to reuse the staging ring. The ring does add some interesting possibilities for landing gear... One of the huge benefits of using stainless steel... |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 5:03:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
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Posted: 8/17/2023 10:05:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2023 11:00:57 PM EDT
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 Is Spacex's Starship Too Ambitious Or Game-changing? |
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Posted: 8/17/2023 11:27:12 PM EDT
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I have faith that they can make these Starship varations. If they can get one variant flying regularly to orbit and back then I am sure they can do the rest of these.
When you look at the proposed Shuttle variants everything except what has become SLS just looked absurd and SLS certainly isn't the most practical spacecraft for most jobs. As I've said before, if only from an asthethic perspective. Starship looks right. What really gets my attention right now though is despite the fact that Falcon 9 and Heavy offer unprecedented capabilities and Starship might render everything else practically obsolete. There is a lot of work going on right now on building more reusable rockets and expanding launch facilities at Canaveral. They aren't just leaving this all to Elon and companies. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 2:19:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2023 2:43:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F30hKpzXwAAlzlb?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 man that looks like caulking I would do |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 3:19:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By notso: man that looks like caulking I would do |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 3:40:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2023 3:49:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F31cJZ_XcAAEMbU?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F31cK_SWwAAjJmA?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 That second pic gives awesome scale. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 3:52:18 PM EDT
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I really can't believe how fast they went ahead with this hot staging thing. I know that moving fast is kinda their shtick but... Wow.
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Posted: 8/18/2023 4:08:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: That second pic gives awesome scale. Yes it really does. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 4:17:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I really can't believe how fast they went ahead with this hot staging thing. I know that moving fast is kinda their shtick but... Wow. This. They designed an entirely different separation method and installed it faster then they test a few valva on sls. The first test incident report is meaningless. The issues that they would have been looking at would be pad failure( entirely changed with water system and feet thick concrete) Separation failure.( Entirely changed with hot staging.) The flight termination failure ( redesigned and tested on one of the boosters they had sitting around) |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 4:23:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: This. They designed an entirely different separation method and installed it faster then they test a few valva on sls. The first test incident report is meaningless. The issues that they would have been looking at would be pad failure( entirely changed with water system and feet thick concrete) Separation failure.( Entirely changed with hot staging.) The flight termination failure ( redesigned and tested on one of the boosters they had sitting around) So a rubber stamp from the FAA ??? |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 4:47:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: only needs to do its job once. Not with that motor. Even the vacuum motors come home. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 4:49:38 PM EDT
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“IFT-2 plans to utilize "Hot Staging" to separate S25 from B9 in flight. This process includes igniting several engines on S25 while the 3 remaining engines on B9 are deep throttled. This reduces separation acceleration losses. Render 📸@RyanHansenSpace”
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Posted: 8/18/2023 8:14:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2023 9:44:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
at any moment |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I really can't believe how fast they went ahead with this hot staging thing. I know that moving fast is kinda their shtick but... Wow. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:10:55 PM EDT
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Booster Bidet.
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:12:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Chokey]
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good test
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:21:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: I think we have been fed news after it is no longer news to SpaceX. Elon already had plans for the deluge system before the first launch. He just let it dig the hole for them. I bet hot staging was off the drawing board before the launch too. It is easy to appear fast when you are half way to the finish line at the start of the race. Makes sense, still. It does usually take a little while to cut and shape stainless steel. Elon has claimed in an interview that he probably knows more about industrialized mass production than anyone on the planet. I suppose this is part of him showing that off. Well... And hiring the right people, naturally. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 10:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: good test
Cool. Looked to be about a 20 second long flow. |
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Posted: 8/19/2023 12:18:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anastasios: Cool. Looked to be about a 20 second long flow. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anastasios: Originally Posted By Chokey: good test
Cool. Looked to be about a 20 second long flow. Nick |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 12:45:35 PM EDT
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 SpaceX Booster 9 Rollout to the Pad For Flight |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 1:30:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DK-Prof]
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Quote HistorySince they have changed the design of the booster, I imagine they will have to do quite a bit of testing of the entire stack, once Starship is mounted on top - making sure they structure is strong, will hold when everything is fuelled up, etc. On the other hand, perhaps one full wet dress rehearsal will allow them to test all of that, so that might be all they need? The "new" way that SpaceX is doing stuff, is just so interesting!  |
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