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Posted: 10/20/2024 3:12:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: Even if we had space navies, rocks are still the best low cost weapon you got. spaceships are paper thin and we don't have shields yet. Any extra mass is going to cost big time. All you need is a bucket with a rocket motor and guidance. If you miss you might be able to recover the launcher. Did a thread about this a little while ago. There's probably work being done on this now but we won't know until we have Starships or something blowing holes in Chinese probes or... Other things |
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Posted: 10/20/2024 3:17:05 PM EST
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Come to think of it, any cycler craft are going to need ballistic protection due to the nature of the environment. Micrometeors can and have punched holes in systems. The Soyuz docked at the ISS comes to mind. We are definitely going to need beefier engines and stronger ships to make a serious run at spacefaring.
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Posted: 10/20/2024 3:49:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: Come to think of it, any cycler craft are going to need ballistic protection due to the nature of the environment. Micrometeors can and have punched holes in systems. The Soyuz docked at the ISS comes to mind. We are definitely going to need beefier engines and stronger ships to make a serious run at spacefaring. Ballistic protection and radiation protection, given the length of the trip and inability to adjust cycler schedules for periods of high solar activity (other than the adjustment of letting it make the next trip empty and reschedule everything for the next cycle). One option that was suggested many years ago was to use the leftover material from the refining process of lunar mining, placing the leftover material between the layers of a double hull, with only the inner hull pressurized. The material would act as radiation shielding and to absorb the energy of a micrometeor impact before it reaches the inner hull. Of course, that bumps the mass that has to be accelerated to a cycler orbit up considerably, but at least it would only have to be done once. |
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Posted: 10/20/2024 3:54:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Thank god someone finally recognizes the right to civillian nuclear weapons and artillery scatterable nerve gas mines. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Originally Posted By JPN: Originally Posted By JCoop: Originally Posted By AlvinYork: our government, the UN, the world bank, and all the rest of the One Worlders are most likely worried about the success of Musk and his type......if history is any guide on this how the hell do they control those who will colonize off world? Bill of Rights of the Free Mars Alliance Amendment 1: Nobody's taking anybody's weapons, because tyrants need to be killed. Amendment 2: If you are such a fragile snowflake that the words of other people hurt you that much, you should probably keep your mouth shut and avoid doing anything that could make the people that are talking think you are a wannabe tyrant. History has taught us that tyrants like to reinterpret what should be easy to understand statements, so in the future we should word important documents so that there can be no doubts about the intent. Thank god someone finally recognizes the right to civillian nuclear weapons and artillery scatterable nerve gas mines. Nuclear restrictions have negatively impacted the development of space travel, since they ruled out at least one method of propulsion. |
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Posted: 10/20/2024 5:55:23 PM EST
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Posted: 10/20/2024 6:10:40 PM EST
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Posted: 10/20/2024 6:20:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Nuclear restrictions have negatively impacted the development of space travel, since they ruled out at least one method of propulsion. Indeed. hence my name. |
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Posted: 10/20/2024 6:57:20 PM EST
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Anyone post these yet?
 First Look Inside SpaceX's Starfactory w/ Elon Musk  Join Elon Musk on a tour of Starship just before it launches! (w/ post launch interview) Elon can be hard to listen to, you can tell his speech has a hard time keeping up with his thoughts. 
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Posted: 10/20/2024 7:03:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Klee: Anyone post these yet?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFqjoCbZ4ik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJOlT6WdHcElon can be hard to listen to, you can tell his speech has a hard time keeping up with his thoughts. yes, back in June.
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Posted: 10/20/2024 7:07:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: yes, back in June. Well I just had it pop up on youtube.. 
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Posted: 10/20/2024 7:16:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Klee: Well I just had it pop up on youtube.. Dodd's vids on Blue Origin are pretty cool as well. But his look around Isar Aerospace and Rocket Factory Augsburg are my favorite. An orbital rocket built out of car parts and... Beer kegs?  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/20/2024 7:51:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Nuclear restrictions have negatively impacted the development of space travel, since they ruled out at least one method of propulsion. |
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Posted: 10/21/2024 12:13:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: You don't want to fire one of those off in the atmosphere. They leak hazardous material. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: Originally Posted By JPN: Nuclear restrictions have negatively impacted the development of space travel, since they ruled out at least one method of propulsion. A RUD would be spectacular. |
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Posted: 10/21/2024 11:41:15 AM EST
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Posted: 10/21/2024 6:51:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: You don't want to fire one of those off in the atmosphere. They leak hazardous material. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_gregg: Originally Posted By JPN: Nuclear restrictions have negatively impacted the development of space travel, since they ruled out at least one method of propulsion. In "Footfall", they launched a giant Orion type H-Bomb powered ship from the ground. It was messy. |
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Posted: 10/21/2024 8:05:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: shooter_gregg]
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I'm talking about NERVA. I saw a video of a new type of fusion engine some months back and now I can't remember where I saw it. I'll keep looking.
ETA: Here. |
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Posted: 10/21/2024 9:54:40 PM EST
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Posted: 10/21/2024 10:05:30 PM EST
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SpaceX put cameras in the fairing halves
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Posted: 10/21/2024 10:09:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: SpaceX put cameras in the fairing halves
Starship doesn't have fairings. 
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Posted: 10/22/2024 4:35:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GabZZPlWUAAnY5z?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 So did they waves just whoop their ass super bad or soemthing? |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 4:59:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: SpaceX put cameras in the fairing halves
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Posted: 10/22/2024 5:25:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Ballistic protection and radiation protection, given the length of the trip and inability to adjust cycler schedules for periods of high solar activity (other than the adjustment of letting it make the next trip empty and reschedule everything for the next cycle). One option that was suggested many years ago was to use the leftover material from the refining process of lunar mining, placing the leftover material between the layers of a double hull, with only the inner hull pressurized. The material would act as radiation shielding and to absorb the energy of a micrometeor impact before it reaches the inner hull. Of course, that bumps the mass that has to be accelerated to a cycler orbit up considerably, but at least it would only have to be done once. Use water. It's good at absorbing impacts, radiation, you can drink it, turn it into oxygen and hydrogen. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 5:35:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: So did they waves just whoop their ass super bad or soemthing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: Originally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GabZZPlWUAAnY5z?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 So did they waves just whoop their ass super bad or soemthing? Rip tides are common there. 
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Posted: 10/22/2024 5:56:22 AM EST
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 Flight 6 Preps Underway | Starbase Update |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 8:31:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Starship doesn't have fairings. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By mcantu: SpaceX put cameras in the fairing halves
Starship doesn't have fairings. Reading is fundamental. payload fairing during a recent Falcon 9 launch |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 8:33:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MotorMouth: Use water. It's good at absorbing impacts, radiation, you can drink it, turn it into oxygen and hydrogen. ...and/or reaction mass. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 8:38:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Reading is fundamental. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 9:54:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Reading is fundamental. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Originally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By mcantu: SpaceX put cameras in the fairing halves
Starship doesn't have fairings. Reading is fundamental. payload fairing during a recent Falcon 9 launch Apparently you don't know that this thread is for Starship and not for the Falcon9 stuff. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 10:08:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I think he was going for; this is a thread about Starship stuff.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Reading is fundamental. Not to mention they've had a camera on them in prior flights years ago. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 11:04:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: BigGrumpyBear]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Starship doesn't have fairings. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By mcantu: SpaceX put cameras in the fairing halves
Starship doesn't have fairings. No, but just imagine the size of the payload if it did! I think it'd be awesome if they gave the booster a returnable second stage with fairings to deliver giant payloads! |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 11:08:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: No, but just imagine the size of the payload if it did! I think it'd be awesome if they gave the booster a returnable second stage with fairings to deliver giant payloads! Cool idea, but probably not in the cards for a good long while because of the header tanks. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 11:15:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: DK-Prof]
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I guess an expendable second stage to just lift gigantic payloads into orbit would not be a bad additional option to have for the heavy booster.
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Posted: 10/22/2024 11:20:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: In "Footfall", they launched a giant Orion type H-Bomb powered ship from the ground. It was messy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: Originally Posted By shooter_gregg: Originally Posted By JPN: Nuclear restrictions have negatively impacted the development of space travel, since they ruled out at least one method of propulsion. In "Footfall", they launched a giant Orion type H-Bomb powered ship from the ground. It was messy. It was as if the snouts were attacking |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 11:22:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: I guess an expendable second stage to just lift gigantic payloads into orbit would not be a bad additional option to have for the heavy booster. It would allow lifting larger space station sections than Starship can manage, along with lifting sections of large "space only" spacecraft, for assembly in orbit. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 11:24:48 AM EST
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Posted: 10/22/2024 11:24:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GabZZPlWUAAnY5z?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 The FAA is going to need a comprehensive report on that. They'll review, and get back with SpaceX next summer. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 11:25:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: It would allow lifting larger space station sections than Starship can manage, along with lifting sections of large "space only" spacecraft, for assembly in orbit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I guess an expendable second stage to just lift gigantic payloads into orbit would not be a bad additional option to have for the heavy booster. It would allow lifting larger space station sections than Starship can manage, along with lifting sections of large "space only" spacecraft, for assembly in orbit. That's what I am thinking. Sort of like the modified upper stage for Saturn V to put SpaceLab up. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 11:26:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: It would allow lifting larger space station sections than Starship can manage, along with lifting sections of large "space only" spacecraft, for assembly in orbit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I guess an expendable second stage to just lift gigantic payloads into orbit would not be a bad additional option to have for the heavy booster. It would allow lifting larger space station sections than Starship can manage, along with lifting sections of large "space only" spacecraft, for assembly in orbit. Going to be awhile before that kind of demand is a thing. The rest of the aerospace community hasn't quite caught up to Falcon 9s capabilities. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 11:40:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Going to be awhile before that kind of demand is a thing. The rest of the aerospace community hasn't quite caught up to Falcon 9s capabilities. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By JPN: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I guess an expendable second stage to just lift gigantic payloads into orbit would not be a bad additional option to have for the heavy booster. It would allow lifting larger space station sections than Starship can manage, along with lifting sections of large "space only" spacecraft, for assembly in orbit. Going to be awhile before that kind of demand is a thing. The rest of the aerospace community hasn't quite caught up to Falcon 9s capabilities. Hard to predict the future. This thread is just under six years old, and they were building the Hopper when it started. An expendable upper stage for 'oversize payloads' would likely be something that creates a demand by making it possible for engineers to design payloads that could make use of its capabilities. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:03:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: I guess an expendable second stage to just lift gigantic payloads into orbit would not be a bad additional option to have for the heavy booster. Hear me out: Strap three Starships together and make a Starship Heavy. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:04:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GagF13WWcAAa3LY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 I used to say oooo next victim. Probably not! |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:08:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CleverNickname: Hear me out: Strap three Starships together and make a Starship Heavy. Post that on their X account and they will probably get to work on it. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:30:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GagF13WWcAAa3LY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 What's their plan for flight 6? They can't alter the profile much and stay on the current license. Could they try a Starship catch? |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:32:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CleverNickname: Hear me out: Strap three Starships together and make a Starship Heavy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CleverNickname: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I guess an expendable second stage to just lift gigantic payloads into orbit would not be a bad additional option to have for the heavy booster. Hear me out: Strap three Starships together and make a Starship Heavy. 
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:34:55 PM EST
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:35:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: Post that on their X account and they will probably get to work on it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Hear me out: Strap three Starships together and make a Starship Heavy. Post that on their X account and they will probably get to work on it. Behold! |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:37:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Is that a SpaceX boat or did someone just track where it fell and nabbed it off the bottom? I wonder if they can use it again
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:37:35 PM EST
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:42:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: Is that a SpaceX boat or did someone just track where it fell and nabbed it off the bottom? I wonder if they can use it again Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: Originally Posted By Chokey:
Is that a SpaceX boat or did someone just track where it fell and nabbed it off the bottom? I wonder if they can use it again just contracted, they brought back pieces of the booster from IFT-4 a few weeks ago. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:52:41 PM EST
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