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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:58:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryKinda hard to conquer the galaxy when your bases of operations are under siege by petty, jealous bureaucrats. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 1:07:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: No, but just imagine the size of the payload if it did!  I think it'd be awesome if they gave the booster a returnable second stage with fairings to deliver giant payloads! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigGrumpyBear: Originally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By mcantu: SpaceX put cameras in the fairing halves
Starship doesn't have fairings.  No, but just imagine the size of the payload if it did! I think it'd be awesome if they gave the booster a returnable second stage with fairings to deliver giant payloads! I wouldn't rule anything out in the future. I'm already aware of six near term Starship variants (Crew, HLS, Starlink "Pez Dispenser", Cargo, Tanker, Depot). It's probably one of those things that won't happen until there is a need and even what they've got is such a large leap in capability that it may be sometime before someone dreams up something where the internal footprint of the known cargo variant isn't sufficient. It's already going to allow a larger diameter payload than Skylab itself, which was an absolute unit. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 1:12:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: I wouldn't rule anything out in the future. I'm already aware of six near term Starship variants (Crew, HLS, Starlink "Pez Dispenser", Cargo, Tanker, Depot). It's probably one of those things that won't happen until there is a need and even what they've got is such a large leap in capability that it may be sometime before someone dreams up something where the internal footprint of the known cargo variant isn't sufficient. It's already going to allow a larger diameter payload than Skylab itself, which was an absolute unit. As I’ve said before. Starship looks like it offers much more design flexibility than anything else flying at the moment. Someone made up a lifting body for a manned mission to Titan in Kerbal Space Program and launched it on a SHB. It looked good. Moreover the proposed Starship variants all look “right.” A bunch of Shuttle variants were proposed but never built and all of them looked very wrong. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 1:12:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: I guess an expendable second stage to just lift gigantic payloads into orbit would not be a bad additional option to have for the heavy booster. Move over yachts, the next Billionaire flex will be owning your own private residence in space. Not a joke. I expect to see it in my lifetime. Somebody just has to plan the idea into some Saudi Prince's head and you'll see the ball start rolling. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 1:39:56 PM EST
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Posted: 10/22/2024 1:52:44 PM EST
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Posted: 10/22/2024 2:02:38 PM EST
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Posted: 10/22/2024 2:10:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: Move over yachts, the next Billionaire flex will be owning your own private residence in space. Not a joke. I expect to see it in my lifetime. Somebody just has to plan the idea into some Saudi Prince's head and you'll see the ball start rolling. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I guess an expendable second stage to just lift gigantic payloads into orbit would not be a bad additional option to have for the heavy booster. Move over yachts, the next Billionaire flex will be owning your own private residence in space. Not a joke. I expect to see it in my lifetime. Somebody just has to plan the idea into some Saudi Prince's head and you'll see the ball start rolling. With Starship/Super Heavy, you could link them to make a toroid hab/station/ship with existing technology, like at the start of the Wanderers film.  Wanderers - a short film by Erik Wernquist [Official Version] |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 2:11:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: RarestRX]
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Any current theories on the chine skin damage?
I heard maybe the hot stage ring bonked it when it was going by? After watching this:  Starship Launch and Booster Catch Super Cut #ift5 Starting at 25:30...maybe? |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 2:39:50 PM EST
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I'm leaning towards the chine damage being caused by a bonk from the hot staging ring. That said the ring looks like it's in pretty good shape in the picture Chokey provided.
Maybe just clean it up, do some measurements, check to fit and we're back to full reusability? 
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Posted: 10/22/2024 3:21:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryI'm....not mad at that idea.
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Posted: 10/22/2024 3:36:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I'm leaning towards the chine damage being caused by a bonk from the hot staging ring. That said the ring looks like it's in pretty good shape in the picture Chokey provided. Maybe just clean it up, do some measurements, check to fit and we're back to full reusability? I've watched that video too many times to count but I'm still not 100% confident I understand the orientation of the booster / hot staging ring throughout the entire thing. Someone needs to make a simple 3D render and do a side by side with the video. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 5:30:08 PM EST
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Posted: 10/22/2024 5:39:39 PM EST
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Posted: 10/23/2024 11:17:58 AM EST
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I don’t understand how they assure correct orientation of the booster about the vertical axis so they when they lower it back down on the pad, the quick disconnect can make up properly. I know they can do it, but I don’t see a way to rotate the whole booster from the chopsticks.
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Posted: 10/23/2024 11:20:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RinsableTick: I don’t understand how they assure correct orientation of the booster about the vertical axis so they when they lower it back down on the pad, the quick disconnect can make up properly. I know they can do it, but I don’t see a way to rotate the whole booster from the chopsticks. I dont have a better term....but the "landing pin catcher device" is able to move back and forth independently of eachother to spin the booster IIRC. |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 11:24:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RinsableTick: I don’t understand how they assure correct orientation of the booster about the vertical axis so they when they lower it back down on the pad, the quick disconnect can make up properly. I know they can do it, but I don’t see a way to rotate the whole booster from the chopsticks. Each chop stick has a movable top where the lug rests it allows them to rotate the booster to make alignment. |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 11:46:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Reading is fundamental. That includes thread titles.
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Posted: 10/23/2024 11:52:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: What's their plan for flight 6? They can't alter the profile much and stay on the current license. Could they try a Starship catch? They'd have to add catch lugs to the sides below the flaps and figure out a way to keep them from being damaged during reentry. They'd also need the second tower up and running or keep Starship in orbit long enough to clear the booster off the chopsticks. |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 11:56:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gag9sx2aYAAd4WT?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 That's in way better shape than I though it would be. |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 12:36:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: Move over yachts, the next Billionaire flex will be owning your own private residence in space. Not a joke. I expect to see it in my lifetime. Somebody just has to plan the idea into some Saudi Prince's head and you'll see the ball start rolling. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I guess an expendable second stage to just lift gigantic payloads into orbit would not be a bad additional option to have for the heavy booster. Move over yachts, the next Billionaire flex will be owning your own private residence in space. Not a joke. I expect to see it in my lifetime. Somebody just has to plan the idea into some Saudi Prince's head and you'll see the ball start rolling. So the next next private island scandal is gonna involve an O'Neill Cylinder? Gonna be the most epic diplomatic fiasco and or warrant service ever. |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 12:39:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roadkill_Coyote: So the next next private island scandal is gonna involve an O'Neill Cylinder? Gonna be the most epic diplomatic fiasco and or warrant service ever. Isaac Arthur has talked about this on a few episodes. Such places would allow the possibility of committing horrific crimes with little chance for law enforcement to do anything. These cylinder habitats are going to be very heavily armed to deal with asteroids. Invading one would be quite challenging. |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 2:06:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Isaac Arthur has talked about this on a few episodes. Such places would allow the possibility of committing horrific crimes with little chance for law enforcement to do anything. These cylinder habitats are going to be very heavily armed to deal with asteroids. Invading one would be quite challenging. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By Roadkill_Coyote: So the next next private island scandal is gonna involve an O'Neill Cylinder? Gonna be the most epic diplomatic fiasco and or warrant service ever. Isaac Arthur has talked about this on a few episodes. Such places would allow the possibility of committing horrific crimes with little chance for law enforcement to do anything. These cylinder habitats are going to be very heavily armed to deal with asteroids. Invading one would be quite challenging. Bringing The Implication to a whole new level... |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 2:19:08 PM EST
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Wouldn't we see some rotation of the HSR if it bonked the booster?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: I think that's a solid prediction. With Starship/Super Heavy, you could link them to make a toroid hab/station/ship with existing technology, like at the start of the Wanderers film.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH3c1QZzRK4 |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 3:04:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: What's their plan for flight 6? They can't alter the profile much and stay on the current license. Could they try a Starship catch? The issue I see there is what orbital path will get the starship back over the launch pad in a timely manner? is the FAA going to let them deorbit it over the continental US? |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 3:15:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades: The issue I see there is what orbital path will get the starship back over the launch pad in a timely manner? is the FAA going to let them deorbit it over the continental US? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades: Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: What's their plan for flight 6? They can't alter the profile much and stay on the current license. Could they try a Starship catch? The issue I see there is what orbital path will get the starship back over the launch pad in a timely manner? is the FAA going to let them deorbit it over the continental US? I mean, they are going to have to eventually whether it's for SpaceX's own purposes or to for the purpose of enabling Artemis III to proceed. You can't really avoid de-orbiting it over the continental US, can you? |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 3:22:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: I mean, they are going to have to eventually whether it's for SpaceX's own purposes or to for the purpose of enabling Artemis III to proceed. You can't really avoid de-orbiting it over the continental US, can you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By woodsie: Originally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades: Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: What's their plan for flight 6? They can't alter the profile much and stay on the current license. Could they try a Starship catch? The issue I see there is what orbital path will get the starship back over the launch pad in a timely manner? is the FAA going to let them deorbit it over the continental US? I mean, they are going to have to eventually whether it's for SpaceX's own purposes or to for the purpose of enabling Artemis III to proceed. You can't really avoid de-orbiting it over the continental US, can you? correct, but are they going to allow hardware that's still being beta-tested to do so? for instance, the first Shuttle landing was at Edwards, I wonder what the orbital path was for it? was it over the Pacific and then they maneuvered to Edwards after it reentered the atmosphere safely? those would both be larger items that could do more damage than a Dragon or Starliner capsule. I don't know the answer, that's why I asked. |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 4:05:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Of_Some_Trades: correct, but are they going to allow hardware that's still being beta-tested to do so? for instance, the first Shuttle landing was at Edwards, I wonder what the orbital path was for it? was it over the Pacific and then they maneuvered to Edwards after it reentered the atmosphere safely? those would both be larger items that could do more damage than a Dragon or Starliner capsule. I don't know the answer, that's why I asked. This is kind of covered starting at 1:18 in this video.  The Near Tragedy of STS 1 |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 4:43:56 PM EST
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Posted: 10/23/2024 6:45:25 PM EST
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SpaceX conducted a long duration static fire of a Raptor at their McGregor test site in McGregor, Texas. The 897 second (~15 minute) static fire began at 2:12:15 PM CDT on Monday, September 30, 2024. This test took place on the tripod test stand and used a sea level Raptor 2 engine whose serial number is currently unknown. The previous record for longest test at McGregor was a 454 second (~7.5 minute) test of a Falcon 9 2nd Stage. The previous record for longest Raptor test at McGregor was a 385 second (~6.5 minute) of a vacuum optimized raptor engine on the horizontal raptor test stand. The purpose of this test is unknown and, as of the posting of this video, there has been no word from SpaceX about this test. Some have speculated that this test was a simulated Mars injection burn.  15 Minutes of Raptor Fury - The Longest Test in McGregor History | @NASASpaceflight McGregor Live |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 6:53:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cgrant26: They'd have to add catch lugs to the sides below the flaps and figure out a way to keep them from being damaged during reentry. They'd also need the second tower up and running or keep Starship in orbit long enough to clear the booster off the chopsticks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cgrant26: Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: What's their plan for flight 6? They can't alter the profile much and stay on the current license. Could they try a Starship catch? They'd have to add catch lugs to the sides below the flaps and figure out a way to keep them from being damaged during reentry. They'd also need the second tower up and running or keep Starship in orbit long enough to clear the booster off the chopsticks. They got the booster off the chopsticks, and onto a transporter pretty quick last time. And they frankly need some orbital time with the Starship. |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 7:11:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: Cobalt135]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858:
Seems like a pretty big deal to some of the people online that follow this stuff. Sounds like they have never attempted such a thing before.... 8sec firing followed by about 6 seconds shutdown and repeated that interval 34 times. @ 1:32:43 in the clock in the top left.  McGregor Live: 24/7 SpaceX Engine Testing & Development for Starship and Falcon 9 Rockets |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 7:55:47 PM EST
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Posted: 10/23/2024 9:56:18 PM EST
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Posted: 10/23/2024 10:21:28 PM EST
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I wonder if they were trying capture a relight anomaly. Just a swag, for sure.
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Posted: 10/24/2024 6:02:31 AM EST
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Posted: 10/24/2024 6:15:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sheltot: I wonder if they were trying capture a relight anomaly. Just a swag, for sure. I was reflecting on this and the temperatures for those relights can't be close to what they experience when relights happen. The cool down during return decent is way more than the seconds allows for as well. With that in mind I contemplated what other benefits would they have by having 30-34 cycles of 6 seconds with no burning and it occurred to me that maybe they have some points in flight where they can alternate operation of a few engines off and on to get the equivalent of throttling back or something similar but with completely shut down and relights maybe they can save 3 to 3.5 minutes of fuel per engine for use elsewhere in the flight profile. |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 6:15:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: Wangstang]
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Posted: 10/24/2024 6:29:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GapnQ5AW8AAlny3?format=jpg&name=large 
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Posted: 10/24/2024 7:34:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobalt135: Seems like a pretty big deal to some of the people online that follow this stuff. Sounds like they have never attempted such a thing before.... 8sec firing followed by about 6 seconds shutdown and repeated that interval 34 times. @ 1:32:43 in the clock in the top left. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOmmvhDQ2HMQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobalt135: Originally Posted By David0858:
Seems like a pretty big deal to some of the people online that follow this stuff. Sounds like they have never attempted such a thing before.... 8sec firing followed by about 6 seconds shutdown and repeated that interval 34 times. @ 1:32:43 in the clock in the top left. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOmmvhDQ2HMThat's pretty significant for traveling to Mars...I would think. Being able to restart engines. My neighbor used to be involved in the Westinghouse nuclear rocket engine program from many, many decades ago. I can remember him saying this was part of the design of shutting down and restarting the nuclear reactor/engine multiple times in an effort to boost to Mars. |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 9:56:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858:
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Posted: 10/24/2024 10:40:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Isaac Arthur has talked about this on a few episodes. Such places would allow the possibility of committing horrific crimes with little chance for law enforcement to do anything. These cylinder habitats are going to be very heavily armed to deal with asteroids. Invading one would be quite challenging. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By Roadkill_Coyote: So the next next private island scandal is gonna involve an O'Neill Cylinder? Gonna be the most epic diplomatic fiasco and or warrant service ever. Isaac Arthur has talked about this on a few episodes. Such places would allow the possibility of committing horrific crimes with little chance for law enforcement to do anything. These cylinder habitats are going to be very heavily armed to deal with asteroids. Invading one would be quite challenging. |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 11:54:24 AM EST
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Posted: 10/24/2024 12:06:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gaq4YdeWoAAfgnb?format=jpg&name=large It sort of makes me nervous since the storm surge from one hurricane hitting in the wrong place would delay everything quite a bit. |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 12:59:11 PM EST
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That has always concerned me. Storm surge is no joke. The town of Cameron Louisiana was basically wiped off the map by a near miss. The brick school house was completely obliterated and only the slab remained.
Hopefully there are design features built in to starship facilities to mitigate damage. Maybe it's just a good insurance policy. |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 1:19:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cgrant26: They'd have to add catch lugs to the sides below the flaps and figure out a way to keep them from being damaged during reentry. They'd also need the second tower up and running or keep Starship in orbit long enough to clear the booster off the chopsticks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cgrant26: Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: What's their plan for flight 6? They can't alter the profile much and stay on the current license. Could they try a Starship catch? They'd have to add catch lugs to the sides below the flaps and figure out a way to keep them from being damaged during reentry. They'd also need the second tower up and running or keep Starship in orbit long enough to clear the booster off the chopsticks. |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 2:54:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: Post that on their X account and they will probably get to work on it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Hear me out: Strap three Starships together and make a Starship Heavy. Post that on their X account and they will probably get to work on it. people have already made 3d animations of it years ago. |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 3:58:26 PM EST
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starts at 5:15pm EDT
 ?? LIVE: SpaceX Tests Super Heavy 13 Booster for Starship Flight 6 |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 5:07:29 PM EST
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Posted: 10/24/2024 5:14:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: Houstons_Problem]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GahzqW7bEAE0KVR?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Arfcom. Fuck yeah. |
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