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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:12:16 PM EDT
[#1]
Many consumer electronics are, at one level, a matter of processor and components. A little bit weird hearing aids are not sold on this basis.
Amlogic vs Rockchip comparison tests are useful. Mumbo Jumbo industry. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:13:25 PM EDT
[#2]
I thought it was basically a re-naming of a product that was already available, but not technically considered a hearing aid? A few weeks ago, I read something about it but I don't remember where.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:14:51 PM EDT
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With how people are destroying their hearing with all these headphones these days, it should end up being a lucrative business.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:17:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ve missed the point of his analogy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My 20 dollar watch is more accurate than a rolex. You’ve missed the point of his analogy. That are actually people out there that are hearing aid snobs? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:17:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Walmart and Sam's Club are both offering OTC hearing aids online, and in over 1,000 Vision Centers located in Walmart stores in Colorado, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and Texas. Over 470 Sam's Club Hearing Aid Center locations will also have OTC hearing aids in store. Hearing aids from Walmart will cost between $199 to $999 per pair, and be from brands like Lexie, which is powered by Bose, and HearX. Bose? The same Bose that makes awesome speakers. I can't wait to get a pair of their hearing aids. I wonder if Dr. Dre will be offering beats hearing aids with bass enhancement technology. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:17:58 PM EDT
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Mimi hearing test is free for Android as well.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:20:25 PM EDT
[#7]
Now we can confidently shoot our guns and go to concerts w/o hearing protection.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:21:26 PM EDT
[#8]
Hip hop hearing aids
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Without a prescription? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Plenty of options online Without a prescription? No problem...get your prescription at home. With your cell phone. I have one, and it works. Get my numbers then order glasses online. https://www.eyeque.com/ |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:26:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just don't expect them to do as much as the Real thing.... You can get a watch for 10$, don't expect it to be a Rolex..... That probably sounded good in your head, but it’s a pretty terrible analogy. For $50 I can get a watch that will keep time more accurately and offer more functions while accepting far more abuse and not requiring the service that a Rolex does. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:27:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That are actually people out there that are hearing aid snobs? There are people out there who understand a simple fact: you almost always get what you pay for. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:28:47 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are people out there who understand a simple fact: you almost always get what you pay for. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That are actually people out there that are hearing aid snobs? There are people out there who understand a simple fact: you almost always get what you pay for. What do you get with a $10,000 Rolex that you don’t with a $50 G-Shock and that would be relevant to hearing aids? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:31:39 PM EDT
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Heard about this and wondering if anyone knows if the higher end electronic ear protection manufacturers have plans to take advantage of this? Was looking at axil or tetra for duck hunting and the high end ones are basically hearing aid technology (certainly charge prescription prices).
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:33:33 PM EDT
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Glad to see this. My right inner ear had to be totally rebuilt due to damage from a Cholestiatoma, and I've needed a hearing aid for that ear for about 4 years, but am not paying what the Rolex salsemen are charging for them.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:33:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are audiologist going to have to find a new career path now? My audiologist had his own shop, practice, whatever. He must watch porn at work because I get spammed from his work email about once a week with sketchy porn links. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:35:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you get with a $10,000 Rolex that you don’t with a $50 G-Shock and that would be relevant to hearing aids? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That are actually people out there that are hearing aid snobs? There are people out there who understand a simple fact: you almost always get what you pay for. What do you get with a $10,000 Rolex that you don’t with a $50 G-Shock and that would be relevant to hearing aids? Investment for re-sale. duh. 
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ve missed the point of his analogy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My 20 dollar watch is more accurate than a rolex. You’ve missed the point of his analogy. You missed the point where you should buy monster audio and usb cords. They are the best. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:42:49 PM EDT
[#18]
Good! The prices they charge for these things is absurd! I think my father's was about $5K for 2 ears. Think about the electronics in them and what material goes into a set of quality shooting muffs. Just nuts.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:50:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm just going to say this, as someone who works in the industry (the actual equipment) Just don't expect them to do as much as the Real thing.... You can get a watch for 10$, don't expect it to be a Rolex..... Frankly, as someone who does not work in the industry, I don't expect someone who does to be objective. About 25 percent people in their 60s have disabling hearing loss and that figure rises to 50 percent at age 70. The vast majority of them do not have hearing aids, due at least in part to their expense and access to associated care ...and some research shows the resultant isolation may impart a number of significant adverse health effects, including a greater chance of earlier onset dementia. Imagine if 90% of people with significant vision loss could not afford glasses because a pair cost $7000 and were generally not covered by insurance, so they just walked around nearly blind all day, fumbling their way around in an increasingly isolated state. That's tough to imagine. That's the situation with older Americans and hearing loss. So yeah, I think the industry needs a fire lit under it. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:54:20 PM EDT
[#20]
My audiologist told me years ago this was coming. She also said with computers the way they are folk will be able to test their own hearing and order the appropriate programming. I feel bad for her, this will definitely eat into her business but will help me out quite a bit.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:55:31 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ve missed the point of his analogy. I can buy a status symbol that doesn't work as well as an economy model? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 3:58:55 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Frankly, as someone who does not work in the industry, I don't expect someone who does to be objective. Well sure, he’s obviously got a ton to gain by offering his opinion on arfcom  Sure, they’re probably inflated in price just like everything else in the medical industry. Peddling them at wal-mart where the product is virtually guaranteed to be substandard isn’t the answer. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:00:16 PM EDT
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I have been waiting for this for some time.
I some hearing damage and always wanted some hearing aids. I never bought them due to the extortionate pricing and lengthy process it took to get them. Once Sony, Apple, Bose snd other audio companies start tapping the market and start competing, they will cost far less and be way better. There will be stores that sell them with hearing auditors on site that can adjust them with loads of options at reasonable prices. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:00:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can buy a status symbol that doesn't work as well as an economy model? If you think the main difference for the disparity in price is that one is a status symbol and the other isn’t… yeah…. Woosh. Enjoy your $20 Timex, it’s a fine timepiece. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:01:34 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well sure, he’s obviously got a ton to gain by offering his opinion on arfcom Sure, they’re probably inflated in price just like everything else in the medical industry. Peddling them at wal-mart where the product is virtually guaranteed to be substandard isn’t the answer. If it helps someone understand a conversation, why would it be substandard? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:01:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My audiologist told me years ago this was coming. She also said with computers the way they are folk will be able to test their own hearing and order the appropriate programming. I feel bad for her, this will definitely eat into her business but will help me out quite a bit. Several websites for hearing aids have an online hearing test function. I haven't tried using one since they recommend headphones, thought about using my airpods but then I went and had a proper test. My doc will provide me with the audiology test results if I choose to buy elsewhere. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:02:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it helps someone understand a conversation, why would it be substandard? Well, your Timex tells time just as good as the Rolex. So, there’s your answer. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:06:03 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you think the main difference for the disparity in price is that one is a status symbol and the other isn’t… yeah…. Woosh. Enjoy your $20 Timex, it’s a fine timepiece. Enjoy your shitty rolex. They ain't worth the money as a time piece, and the maintenance and cleaning is bullshit as well. A cheap Japanese quartz movement kicks it's ass in intended function, but if you like "old world" complexity and "craftsmanship" and willing to pay stupid money for the privilege, knock yourself out. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:06:06 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, your Timex tells time just as good as the Rolex. So, there's your answer. A Timex tells time quite a bit better than a Rolex. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:08:18 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, your Timex tells time just as good as the Rolex. So, there’s your answer. Actually better. So do your hearing aids have a special trademark that lets everyone know how much you paid for them? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:08:36 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If it helps someone understand a conversation, why would it be substandard? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well sure, he’s obviously got a ton to gain by offering his opinion on arfcom Sure, they’re probably inflated in price just like everything else in the medical industry. Peddling them at wal-mart where the product is virtually guaranteed to be substandard isn’t the answer. If it helps someone understand a conversation, why would it be substandard? One review I read recently on the few brands that were ready to roll out when today came mentioned an imbalance across frequencies to be a common complaint. Higher pitched sounds were amplified to levels more than normal, certain tones like a phone ringing or a doorbell sounded unnaturally loud. That may be because higher frequencies are where most people have problems and the manufacturers over compensated. I know I can't hear high pitched sounds worth a damn but I don't want to jump out of my skin when the phone rings. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:13:43 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems that could be accomplished with a phone application. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will Walmart be doing exams and programming the hearing aids to match a person's hearing loss? Seems that could be accomplished with a phone application. Thats what I am thinking....have your phone link to the hearing aids and run a little test then program. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:17:59 PM EDT
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Price aside, Costco’s Kirkland brand and Oticon got high marks for sound clarity, while the other brands we rated received average scores.
All but one brand received high marks for ease of changing or charging their battery (the exception was Lucid, which received an average score), and all received average to high marks for reliability and visibility to others. But for battery life, Audibel, Bernafon, Lucid, and Unitron fared less well than the others we rated. The Kirkland, Phillips, and Oticon brands received high marks for some of the situations in which people commonly use hearing aids: while listening to the TV or radio and talking on a cell phone. (Phonak and Miracle-Ear also received high marks for listening to the TV or radio.) All brands received average scores for use when talking in small groups. And all got low marks when used for one-on-one conversations in noisy places, and in loud social settings generally. If you’re trying to decide which features you may want in hearing aids, CR members also reported on what they consider some of the most important ones. Smartphone capabilities were the most frequently chosen feature among our members in the hearing aid brand ratings sample. This was followed by rechargeable batteries, wireless connectivity to other devices, automatic switching/adjustment to level of noise in the room, and digital noise reduction. https://www.consumerreports.org/hearing-aids/best-and-worst-hearing-aid-brands-and-retailers-a1115767262/ |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:19:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One review I read recently on the few brands that were ready to roll out when today came mentioned an imbalance across frequencies to be a common complaint. Higher pitched sounds were amplified to levels more than normal, certain tones like a phone ringing or a doorbell sounded unnaturally loud. That may be because higher frequencies are where most people have problems and the manufacturers over compensated. I know I can't hear high pitched sounds worth a damn but I don't want to jump out of my skin when the phone rings. I'm with you on that. Most people do lose the high end first. I have profound hearing loss, and have been using aids for years. I look forward to the day I can go buy some aids that do what I need, and not have to spend stupid money on them. When I am home, I take them out. I don't watch tv, and I don't need to hear the fridge kick on. When I am driving, I usually turn them off. No need to amplify road and wind noise to the level my aids work. The industry is the fault of the medical industrial complex. I find it hard to believe the tech in a hearing aid is 5x as complex as a 400.00 cell phone. As was stated earlier, there are tons of isolated older folks who can't afford to drop the coin for new hearing aids, and stop going places, seeing people, or getting any stimulation at all. It's fucking criminal. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:26:11 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One review I read recently on the few brands that were ready to roll out when today came mentioned an imbalance across frequencies to be a common complaint. Higher pitched sounds were amplified to levels more than normal, certain tones like a phone ringing or a doorbell sounded unnaturally loud. That may be because higher frequencies are where most people have problems and the manufacturers over compensated. I know I can't hear high pitched sounds worth a damn but I don't want to jump out of my skin when the phone rings. Interesting. I assume it will eventually be straightforward to create a mobile app that can allow the end user to tune them themselves. Perhaps an app that performs a similar "can you hear the tone" test for each ear, to identify which frequency bands need a boost and by how much, thereby creating a custom shaped profile that the user can uploaded via Bluetooth. Bonus, the user can save that profile and reupload it to a replacement device if they lose one ...or they can reperform the test and tuning anytime they want. If the end-user isn't comfortable performing the tuning themselves, perhaps due to age, they could still enlist the assistance of an audiologist... or even a family member. Will it be as good as an audiologist visit? Perhaps not initially, but given that the majority of elderly Americans who have debilitating hearing loss do not have hearing aids, a less expensive option is clearly needed. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:28:43 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. I assume it will eventually be straightforward to create a mobile app that can allow the end user to tune them themselves. Perhaps an app that performs a similar "can you hear the tone" test for each ear, to identify which frequency bands need a boost and by how much, thereby creating a custom shaped profile that the user can uploaded via Bluetooth. Bonus, the user can save that profile and reupload it to a replacement device if they lose one ...or they can reperform the test and tuning anytime they want. If the end-user isn't comfortable performing the tuning themselves, perhaps due to age, they could still enlist the assistance of an audiologist... or even a family member. Will it be as good as an audiologist visit? Perhaps not initially, but given that the majority of elderly Americans who have debilitating hearing loss do not have hearing aids, a less expensive option is clearly needed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One review I read recently on the few brands that were ready to roll out when today came mentioned an imbalance across frequencies to be a common complaint. Higher pitched sounds were amplified to levels more than normal, certain tones like a phone ringing or a doorbell sounded unnaturally loud. That may be because higher frequencies are where most people have problems and the manufacturers over compensated. I know I can't hear high pitched sounds worth a damn but I don't want to jump out of my skin when the phone rings. Interesting. I assume it will eventually be straightforward to create a mobile app that can allow the end user to tune them themselves. Perhaps an app that performs a similar "can you hear the tone" test for each ear, to identify which frequency bands need a boost and by how much, thereby creating a custom shaped profile that the user can uploaded via Bluetooth. Bonus, the user can save that profile and reupload it to a replacement device if they lose one ...or they can reperform the test and tuning anytime they want. If the end-user isn't comfortable performing the tuning themselves, perhaps due to age, they could still enlist the assistance of an audiologist... or even a family member. Will it be as good as an audiologist visit? Perhaps not initially, but given that the majority of elderly Americans who have debilitating hearing loss do not have hearing aids, a less expensive option is clearly needed. Mimi hearing test app does this. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:35:25 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably higher quality than the crap the VA hands out. You get hearing aids from the VA? The ones I have from the VA are definitely not crap. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:38:37 PM EDT
[#38]
One person in this thread is acting like his ability to buy luxury watches is about to be impacted by patients and consumers no longer being captive to overpriced hearing aid business models.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:39:21 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mimi hearing test app does this. Ah, very cool. I'm not ramped up on the options. I just see firsthand the trouble and expense to which my mother has gone and how dissatisfied she generally is with hers, to the extent that she often just turns them off or removes them, which leaves her isolated, even in a family gathering. And I am now envisioning sound profiles, like TVs have, based on your current activity - speaking with someone alone in a room, speaking with someone in a crowded location (filtering other conversations out), watching TV, listening to a movie in a theater, driving, hiking, etc. Heck, perhaps they already have these capabilities. If not, they should. Just look at what a $100 pair of Samsung Ear Buds can do. And when hearing aids become consumer items, innovation will follow. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:44:57 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, very cool. I'm not ramped up on the options. I just see firsthand the trouble and expense to which my mother has gone and how dissatisfied she generally is with hers, to the extent that she often just turns them off or removes them, which leaves her isolated, even in a family gathering. And I am now envisioning sound profiles, like TVs have, based on your current activity - speaking with someone alone in a room, speaking with someone in a crowded location (filtering other conversations out), watching TV, listening to a movie in a theater, driving, hiking, etc. Heck, perhaps they already have these capabilities. If not, they should. Just look at what a $100 pair of Samsung Ear Buds can do. And when hearing aids become consumer items, innovation will follow. There are hearing aids that can have different profiles for different situations. In my experience, they help somewhat, but hearing aids suck in loud social situations, I don't care who makes them. Here is my analogy. They are prosthetics, just like a hand or a foot when you lose them. They help you function in life, but they will never replace your natural hearing, no matter how much they cost. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:45:40 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Now do eye glasses otc. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:47:27 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will Walmart be doing exams and programming the hearing aids to match a person's hearing loss? Some of their stores have optometrists, so I wouldn't be surprised to see audiologists. I used the optometrist in their store and she caught a possible cancer in my eye. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:52:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We pretty much already do. Order an Eye-Q device, find your prescription, measure your PD, send to Zenni. $100 and 2 weeks later, you got glasses. Similar cost at Costco if you bring your own frames. That's usually how I update my older sets of eyeglasses (and/or convert them into sunglasses) after I get my annual pair elsewhere using my vision insurance. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 4:59:25 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are hearing aids that can have different profiles for different situations. In my experience, they help somewhat, but hearing aids suck in loud social situations, I don't care who makes them. Here is my analogy. They are prosthetics, just like a hand or a foot when you lose them. They help you function in life, but they will never replace your natural hearing, no matter how much they cost. That sucks to hear, but I expect at some point they will be able to do far better due to advances in AI and special purpose cognitive models, which could factor in far more context, including voice prints and the actual conversation. But no doubt, real ears are the best. Real everything is generally the best. We have not yet realized the promise of the bionic man/woman...or gotten me an affordable jetpack. 
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:01:20 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Enjoy your shitty rolex. They ain't worth the money as a time piece, and the maintenance and cleaning is bullshit as well. A cheap Japanese quartz movement kicks it's ass in intended function, but if you like "old world" complexity and "craftsmanship" and willing to pay stupid money for the privilege, knock yourself out. LOL, while your post reeks of jealousy… I don’t own a Rolex. Enjoy your $20 Timex, it’s just as good. |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:01:34 PM EDT
[#46]
Still waiting on my flying car.
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:03:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A Timex tells time quite a bit better than a Rolex. Well then, obviously it’s worth more  I think you’re smart enough to understand my point that’s been missed by others. The “industry insider” didn’t use a great analogy but they trying to drag me over it. Oh well  |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:11:11 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, while your post reeks of jealousy… I don’t own a Rolex. Enjoy your $20 Timex, it’s just as good. It's not a timex, it is a Casio. It works better as a watch than a rolex. I buy a watch to tell time. If a Rolex kept time like a nuclear clock, and I needed that precision, I would buy one. I don't and the rolex isn't even close as a precision time piece. A rolex is a status symbol for those who buy them and those who lust after them. Sorry, not jealous at all. I have never had a desire to own one. So what is the label on your hearing aids that make make everyone impressed by how much you spent? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:14:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/17/2022 5:15:34 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I have gleaned it is up to the user to adjust the settings via the manufacturers app on most of them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will Walmart be doing exams and programming the hearing aids to match a person's hearing loss? From what I have gleaned it is up to the user to adjust the settings via the manufacturers app on most of them. |
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