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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:43:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guano mines. Used to be common all over the equatorial islands https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano That’s natural nitrogen fertilizer, but this thread is about synthetic nitrogen fertilizer and the contribution of Herr Haber. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:43:42 PM EDT
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Remember those smoking ads where they said cigarettes contain urea? Well they aren't wron g.
Anyway, we dump urea in our diesel engines now and used DEF to feed nitrogen to the bacteria at our waste water treatment facility. Great stuff. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:45:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s natural nitrogen fertilizer, but this thread is about synthetic nitrogen fertilizer and the contribution of Herr Haber. Yes, Hager’s work put an effective end to guano mining |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I didn’t ask where you get the materials to synthesize nitrogen fertilizer from. I asked where you harvest nitrogen fertilizer in the wild. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Phosphate rock is mined in Central FL, ammonia is pulled from natural gas. Pot ash is mined. That is pulling it out from the wild as you can get. No, I didn’t ask where you get the materials to synthesize nitrogen fertilizer from. I asked where you harvest nitrogen fertilizer in the wild. No you are an ignorant person. DO you even know what that word means? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:46:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing synthetic about it. 100% natural. I have produced 100's of thousands of tons of DAP. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: More accurate to call it synthetic fertilizer. Nothing synthetic about it. 100% natural. I have produced 100's of thousands of tons of DAP. @banditman |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:47:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: N comes from the air. Bandit man has moved on to P and K which is mined from the earth. Then there is S which actually kind of is a product of oil production or by product from sour gas. Then there is melorganite, that is human shit. Tell me more about how it comes from the air. Naturally right? 
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:47:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, Hager’s work put an effective end to guano mining Right because it’s too slow and expensive. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:49:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember those smoking ads where they said cigarettes contain urea? Well they aren't wron g. Anyway, we dump urea in our diesel engines now and used DEF to feed nitrogen to the bacteria at our waste water treatment facility. Great stuff. Urea is a great protein, it's used in cattle feed and supplements as well |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:52:12 PM EDT
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See you and raise you a Rachel Carson.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:52:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me more about how it comes from the air. Naturally right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: N comes from the air. Bandit man has moved on to P and K which is mined from the earth. Then there is S which actually kind of is a product of oil production or by product from sour gas. Then there is melorganite, that is human shit. Tell me more about how it comes from the air. Naturally right? If you watched the video OP posted ammonia is created by lighting and carried to the ground by rain. That smart Nazi dude just created the power necessary in a lab to recreate that natural process. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:55:06 PM EDT
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Watched it a few days ago. Good vid.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:57:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No you are an ignorant person. DO you even know what that word means? Synthesis? The production of chemical compounds by reaction from simpler materials. In this case synthesizing ammonia from hydrogen and nitrogen. The Haber process is so synthetic that the fertilizer made by it is called…synthetic nitrogen fertilizer. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 6:59:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you watched the video OP posted ammonia is created by lighting and carried to the ground by rain. That smart Nazi dude just created the power necessary in a lab to recreate that natural process. I’m familiar with natural nitrogen. You don’t think the Midwest is the Midwest without thunderstorms I assume? Haber was a Jew, so you probably shouldn’t call him a Nazi. And recreating a natural process in a chemical plant is and example of…synthesis. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 7:01:18 PM EDT
[#14]
I laugh at organic farmers, it is all organic.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 7:01:47 PM EDT
[#15]
The Elites are all in on their new "Green Religion" and will starve billions for it.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 7:02:31 PM EDT
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There was one other area of research in the 1920s in which Haber and his colleagues were successful: developing pesticide gases.
Of Haber's legacies, this was the bitterest. For this research was later developed into the Zyklon process, used by the Nazis to murder millions in their death camps, including his own extended family. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 7:06:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When people repeat the words "chemical fertilizer" they are repeating idiocy. Next thing ya know they'll be spraying chemical water on the plants. We're all going to die 
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Posted: 8/6/2022 7:11:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m familiar with natural nitrogen. You don’t think the Midwest is the Midwest without thunderstorms I assume? Haber was a Jew, so you probably shouldn’t call him a Nazi. And recreating a natural process in a chemical plant is and example of…synthesis. I'm not arguing that your wrong. I'm just saying that the word chemical has come to gather a negative reputation. When in fact everything has chemical make up. As for the Nazi thing, I just figured if your lab created chlorine gas and Zyclon B, maybe your not the best dude int the world. Thanks for the UAN though. Also apparently I don't know that rain helps crops sorry. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 7:12:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Borlaug in next on the list. Don't think they'll let that one slide. Especially once they figure out he did a lot of his work while in Texas. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here's a guy that fed millions, despite opposition and even sabotage by the authorities. Yet most people have never heard of him. Norman Borlaug Borlaug in next on the list. Don't think they'll let that one slide. Especially once they figure out he did a lot of his work while in Texas. Dude saved 1 billion people. Mostly Mexicans, Pakis, and Indians. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 7:20:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not arguing that your wrong. I'm just saying that the word chemical has come to gather a negative reputation. When in fact everything has chemical make up. Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not arguing that your wrong. I'm just saying that the word chemical has come to gather a negative reputation. When in fact everything has chemical make up. I’m not afraid of the word chemical. That’s why I said synthetic was more accurate. As for the Nazi thing, I just figured if your lab created chlorine gas and Zyclon B, maybe your not the best dude int the world. He may have been terrible, but he wasn’t a Nazi. Also, the first use of Zyklon B (Haber developed Zyklon A) as an execution chemical was 8 years after Haber’s death. It had legitimate uses in pesticide control which were the vast majority of its use. Not a defense if anyone, just the facts. Thanks for the UAN though. Also apparently I don't know that rain helps crops sorry. Everywhere gets rain, but places with thunderstorms are special. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 7:39:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Synthesis? The production of chemical compounds by reaction from simpler materials. In this case synthesizing ammonia from hydrogen and nitrogen. The Haber process is so synthetic that the fertilizer made by it is called…synthetic nitrogen fertilizer. Ammonia is part of composition of natural gas. It is not synthesizing to remove it from the gas. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 7:52:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not afraid of the word chemical. That’s why I said synthetic was more accurate. He may have been terrible, but he wasn’t a Nazi. Also, the first use of Zyklon B (Haber developed Zyklon A) as an execution chemical was 8 years after Haber’s death. It had legitimate uses in pesticide control which were the vast majority of its use. Not a defense if anyone, just the facts. Everywhere gets rain, but places with thunderstorms are special. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not arguing that your wrong. I'm just saying that the word chemical has come to gather a negative reputation. When in fact everything has chemical make up. I’m not afraid of the word chemical. That’s why I said synthetic was more accurate. As for the Nazi thing, I just figured if your lab created chlorine gas and Zyclon B, maybe your not the best dude int the world. He may have been terrible, but he wasn’t a Nazi. Also, the first use of Zyklon B (Haber developed Zyklon A) as an execution chemical was 8 years after Haber’s death. It had legitimate uses in pesticide control which were the vast majority of its use. Not a defense if anyone, just the facts. Thanks for the UAN though. Also apparently I don't know that rain helps crops sorry. Everywhere gets rain, but places with thunderstorms are special. I'm not afraid of the world chemical either. But in my line of work if someone walks in the door and says they want some chemical they sure aren't talking about fertilizer. Actually I've never really heard the world chemical as it relates to modern fertilizer among piers in my industry. Or synthetic. The plants are referred to as fertilizer plants not chemical plants. The trucks are referred as fertilizer trucks not chemical trucks. The tanks and buildings its stored in are called fertilizer tanks or buildings. Chemical = pesticide in the ag business. I guess if someone wants to call it chemical, synthetic or whatever fertilizer have at it. To farmers and ag retailers it's simply fertilizer. The only distinction might be dry, liquid, and organic. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:07:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you saying Fritz Haber was a National Socialist or is this a reference to someone else? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's so weird. One Nazi made it possible to feed the world. Another Nazi made it possible to leave the world (on rockets). Weird. But Hitler made a hippie car, so...boom!...negates the fuck out of all of that. Fookin' Nazis. Are you saying Fritz Haber was a National Socialist or is this a reference to someone else? That's my bad. I'd listened to a podcast about him that kind of framed it that way. Remember his wife being like the first woman to ever get a Doctorate of medicine in German, had some kind of mental problems with her Husband always leaving her at home while he went to see the effects of gas on troops during WW I, etc. to the point she committed suicide. Dude died in 1934 but he was a Jewish dude turned Lutheran so I guess that makes it a "no". Still looking for the podcast... |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:13:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not afraid of the world chemical either. But in my line of work if someone walks in the door and says they want some chemical they sure aren't talking about fertilizer. Actually I've never really heard the world chemical as it relates to modern fertilizer among piers in my industry. Or synthetic. The plants are referred to as fertilizer plants not chemical plants. The trucks are referred as fertilizer trucks not chemical trucks. The tanks and buildings its stored in are called fertilizer tanks or buildings. Chemical = pesticide in the ag business. I guess if someone wants to call it chemical, synthetic or whatever fertilizer have at it. To farmers and ag retailers it's simply fertilizer. The only distinction might be dry, liquid, and organic. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:16:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ammonia is part of composition of natural gas. It is not synthesizing to remove it from the gas. Tell me all about how the ammonium nitrate already exists it just needs to be separated. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:20:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not afraid of the world chemical either. But in my line of work if someone walks in the door and says they want some chemical they sure aren't talking about fertilizer. Actually I've never really heard the world chemical as it relates to modern fertilizer among piers in my industry. Or synthetic. The plants are referred to as fertilizer plants not chemical plants. The trucks are referred as fertilizer trucks not chemical trucks. The tanks and buildings its stored in are called fertilizer tanks or buildings. Chemical = pesticide in the ag business. I guess if someone wants to call it chemical, synthetic or whatever fertilizer have at it. To farmers and ag retailers it's simply fertilizer. The only distinction might be dry, liquid, and organic. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not arguing that your wrong. I'm just saying that the word chemical has come to gather a negative reputation. When in fact everything has chemical make up. I’m not afraid of the word chemical. That’s why I said synthetic was more accurate. As for the Nazi thing, I just figured if your lab created chlorine gas and Zyclon B, maybe your not the best dude int the world. He may have been terrible, but he wasn’t a Nazi. Also, the first use of Zyklon B (Haber developed Zyklon A) as an execution chemical was 8 years after Haber’s death. It had legitimate uses in pesticide control which were the vast majority of its use. Not a defense if anyone, just the facts. Thanks for the UAN though. Also apparently I don't know that rain helps crops sorry. Everywhere gets rain, but places with thunderstorms are special. I'm not afraid of the world chemical either. But in my line of work if someone walks in the door and says they want some chemical they sure aren't talking about fertilizer. Actually I've never really heard the world chemical as it relates to modern fertilizer among piers in my industry. Or synthetic. The plants are referred to as fertilizer plants not chemical plants. The trucks are referred as fertilizer trucks not chemical trucks. The tanks and buildings its stored in are called fertilizer tanks or buildings. Chemical = pesticide in the ag business. I guess if someone wants to call it chemical, synthetic or whatever fertilizer have at it. To farmers and ag retailers it's simply fertilizer. The only distinction might be dry, liquid, and organic. Actually they are called chemical plants here. Mineral side mines and chemical side processes. The company I worked for was called International Mineral and Chemical Co. But that world has been twisted into evilness by the evil people. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:21:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me all about how the ammonium nitrate already exists it just needs to be separated. I never mention ammonium nitrate. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:37:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know that business but as a matter of chemical engineering there is natural and synthetic fertilizer. Most is and always will be synthetic. But both are chemicals, from that perspective. Once again you are not wrong, but natural and synthetic are adjectives that are not commonly used in the industry. Most often what you are referring to as synthetic are simply called fertilizer. Some of which are naturally occurring like potash K. Natural fertilizer is often referred to there base, for instance manure, guano in the past, or whatever organic fish junk people think works. So yes the most common forms of fertilizer today is man made or synthesized. It just isn't referred in that way in the industry. If I had to put a common word to it that is used frequently it would be "manufactured" or maybe "processed". Not trying to argue with any one. Just sharing nomenclature. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:48:20 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually they are called chemical plants here. Mineral side mines and chemical side processes. The company I worked for was called International Mineral and Chemical Co. But that world has been twisted into evilness by the evil people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not arguing that your wrong. I'm just saying that the word chemical has come to gather a negative reputation. When in fact everything has chemical make up. I’m not afraid of the word chemical. That’s why I said synthetic was more accurate. As for the Nazi thing, I just figured if your lab created chlorine gas and Zyclon B, maybe your not the best dude int the world. He may have been terrible, but he wasn’t a Nazi. Also, the first use of Zyklon B (Haber developed Zyklon A) as an execution chemical was 8 years after Haber’s death. It had legitimate uses in pesticide control which were the vast majority of its use. Not a defense if anyone, just the facts. Thanks for the UAN though. Also apparently I don't know that rain helps crops sorry. Everywhere gets rain, but places with thunderstorms are special. I'm not afraid of the world chemical either. But in my line of work if someone walks in the door and says they want some chemical they sure aren't talking about fertilizer. Actually I've never really heard the world chemical as it relates to modern fertilizer among piers in my industry. Or synthetic. The plants are referred to as fertilizer plants not chemical plants. The trucks are referred as fertilizer trucks not chemical trucks. The tanks and buildings its stored in are called fertilizer tanks or buildings. Chemical = pesticide in the ag business. I guess if someone wants to call it chemical, synthetic or whatever fertilizer have at it. To farmers and ag retailers it's simply fertilizer. The only distinction might be dry, liquid, and organic. Actually they are called chemical plants here. Mineral side mines and chemical side processes. The company I worked for was called International Mineral and Chemical Co. But that world has been twisted into evilness by the evil people. A lot of companies are dropping the "Chemical " portion out of their names. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:52:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once again you are not wrong, but natural and synthetic are adjectives that are not commonly used in the industry. Most often what you are referring to as synthetic are simply called fertilizer. Some of which are naturally occurring like potash K. Natural fertilizer is often referred to there base, for instance manure, guano in the past, or whatever organic fish junk people think works. So yes the most common forms of fertilizer today is man made or synthesized. It just isn't referred in that way in the industry. If I had to put a common word to it that is used frequently it would be "manufactured" or maybe "processed". Not trying to argue with any one. Just sharing nomenclature. Understood. We use words in my industry differently than the people who make the products would or than scientists would also. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:55:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually they are called chemical plants here. Mineral side mines and chemical side processes. The company I worked for was called International Mineral and Chemical Co. But that world has been twisted into evilness by the evil people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not arguing that your wrong. I'm just saying that the word chemical has come to gather a negative reputation. When in fact everything has chemical make up. I’m not afraid of the word chemical. That’s why I said synthetic was more accurate. As for the Nazi thing, I just figured if your lab created chlorine gas and Zyclon B, maybe your not the best dude int the world. He may have been terrible, but he wasn’t a Nazi. Also, the first use of Zyklon B (Haber developed Zyklon A) as an execution chemical was 8 years after Haber’s death. It had legitimate uses in pesticide control which were the vast majority of its use. Not a defense if anyone, just the facts. Thanks for the UAN though. Also apparently I don't know that rain helps crops sorry. Everywhere gets rain, but places with thunderstorms are special. I'm not afraid of the world chemical either. But in my line of work if someone walks in the door and says they want some chemical they sure aren't talking about fertilizer. Actually I've never really heard the world chemical as it relates to modern fertilizer among piers in my industry. Or synthetic. The plants are referred to as fertilizer plants not chemical plants. The trucks are referred as fertilizer trucks not chemical trucks. The tanks and buildings its stored in are called fertilizer tanks or buildings. Chemical = pesticide in the ag business. I guess if someone wants to call it chemical, synthetic or whatever fertilizer have at it. To farmers and ag retailers it's simply fertilizer. The only distinction might be dry, liquid, and organic. Actually they are called chemical plants here. Mineral side mines and chemical side processes. The company I worked for was called International Mineral and Chemical Co. But that world has been twisted into evilness by the evil people. A lot of companies are dropping the "Chemical " portion out of their names. Edit: sounds like you were in manufacturing, while I'm on the retail side. Plus we are a few miles apart. Just relaying the terminology we use in our local industry. Heck as to chemicals, we have even started referring to them as plant protection products. Plant as in crops Damn liberals seem to change the meaning of words on a whim today. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:00:44 PM EDT
[#32]
I wonder if the lefties know where the phosphoric acid in their canned drinks comes from?
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:08:25 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if the lefties know where the phosphoric acid in their canned drinks comes from? What grade goes in to that. I'm only familiar with PPA 75%, SPA 68% both Florida and Idaho, and on a few occasions Merchant grade 54% . I'm assuming it's the PPA 75. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:15:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What grade goes in to that. I'm only familiar with PPA 75%, SPA 68% both Florida and Idaho, and on a fe occasions Merchant grade 54% . I'm assuming it's the PPA 75. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder if the lefties know where the phosphoric acid in their canned drinks comes from? What grade goes in to that. I'm only familiar with PPA 75%, SPA 68% both Florida and Idaho, and on a fe occasions Merchant grade 54% . I'm assuming it's the PPA 75. We sold 54% de-fluoridated to them. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:24:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We sold 54% de-fluoridated to them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder if the lefties know where the phosphoric acid in their canned drinks comes from? What grade goes in to that. I'm only familiar with PPA 75%, SPA 68% both Florida and Idaho, and on a fe occasions Merchant grade 54% . I'm assuming it's the PPA 75. We sold 54% de-fluoridated to them. The names of phos acid can be confusing but I think PPA 75% refers to percent acid not phos and the actual phos percentage is around 55% . We use it to manufacture low salt liquid starters "starters go in planters along side the seed" pretty sure the PPA we get is borderline food grade. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:31:28 PM EDT
[#36]
If we ban fertilizer in farming we can starve enough people to death that we won't need fertilizer to feed those that didn't starve the first time.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:47:18 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fertilizers aren't chemicals? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When people repeat the words "chemical fertilizer" they are repeating idiocy. Every piece of matter is a chemical. It is analogous to "tuna fish". |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:50:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. People think that? I mean, I know fertilizers arent all made of chicken or cow shit....but oil? What? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I call it the stuff that pays my bills, and keeps the rest of the world from starving. Same. It seems that people have heard that “fertilizer is made from oil!” so often that they think it’s a fact. Wait. People think that? I mean, I know fertilizers arent all made of chicken or cow shit....but oil? What? Yeah, many people evidently are convinced it’s a chemical fertilizer made from oil. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:54:49 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where do you harvest it in the wild? Potash (potassium) comes out of a big hole in the ground in Canada. MAP(mono ammonium phosphate) and DAP(di-ammonium phosphate) comes from a big hole in the ground in Florida, KMAG comes from a big hole in New Mexico. Urea is sort of taken out of the air by a process explained in the video above. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:04:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Humans are part of nature.
Everything we do is, by extension, natural. Nuking the whales is natural. Suck it. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:06:28 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Potash (potassium) comes out of a big hole in the ground in Canada. MAP(mono ammonium phosphate) and DAP(di-ammonium phosphate) comes from a big hole in the ground in Florida, KMAG comes from a big hole in New Mexico. Urea is sort of taken out of the air by a process explained in the video above. Cool and all but I didn’t ask where the materials for synthesis came from I asked where the fertilizer is mined. Because I know it’s not. It’s made. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:10:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool and all but I didn’t ask where the materials for synthesis came from I asked where the fertilizer is mined. Because I know it’s not. It’s made. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Potash (potassium) comes out of a big hole in the ground in Canada. MAP(mono ammonium phosphate) and DAP(di-ammonium phosphate) comes from a big hole in the ground in Florida, KMAG comes from a big hole in New Mexico. Urea is sort of taken out of the air by a process explained in the video above. Cool and all but I didn’t ask where the materials for synthesis came from I asked where the fertilizer is mined. Because I know it’s not. It’s made. The long and short of it is, people with a misguided agenda tend to associate it with all sorts of “bad” names. Nitrogen is nitrogen, doesn’t really matter where it came from, it’s all the same to the plants. If one wants to produce a crop whether it’s plants or livestock, when the crop is harvested, nutrients leave with it and they must be replaced if one wishes to continue producing crops. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:25:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The long and short of it is, people with a misguided agenda tend to associate it with all sorts of “bad” names. Nitrogen is nitrogen, doesn’t really matter where it came from, it’s all the same to the plants. If one wants to produce a crop whether it’s plants or livestock, when the crop is harvested, nutrients leave with it and they must be replaced if one wishes to continue producing crops. I’m not assigning any moral weight at all. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:34:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I laugh at organic farmers, it is all organic. What, this is chemistry, not organic. No such thing as organic chemistry you loon!  
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:59:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The long and short of it is, people with a misguided agenda tend to associate it with all sorts of “bad” names. Nitrogen is nitrogen, doesn’t really matter where it came from, it’s all the same to the plants. If one wants to produce a crop whether it’s plants or livestock, when the crop is harvested, nutrients leave with it and they must be replaced if one wishes to continue producing crops. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Potash (potassium) comes out of a big hole in the ground in Canada. MAP(mono ammonium phosphate) and DAP(di-ammonium phosphate) comes from a big hole in the ground in Florida, KMAG comes from a big hole in New Mexico. Urea is sort of taken out of the air by a process explained in the video above. Cool and all but I didn’t ask where the materials for synthesis came from I asked where the fertilizer is mined. Because I know it’s not. It’s made. The long and short of it is, people with a misguided agenda tend to associate it with all sorts of “bad” names. Nitrogen is nitrogen, doesn’t really matter where it came from, it’s all the same to the plants. If one wants to produce a crop whether it’s plants or livestock, when the crop is harvested, nutrients leave with it and they must be replaced if one wishes to continue producing crops. Not exactly true there are many forms or nitrogen, and their availability to plants vary. Like the OP video mentions the air is like 70% N2 but does nothing for the plants. Ammonium nitrate is actually pretty available to plants, but it makes other stuff explode so it's not easy to get a hold of. It's also low on salts and doesn't burn crops like urea does. Urea is cheaper but does volatalize and does cause nutrient loss and plant damage if applied at the right times. Then liquid uan (urea ammonium nitrate) still volatile and can cause burn to crops but mor readily available because it's already liquid. And last but not least the bitch called anhydrous ammonia. This shit will kill you literally suck the moisture out of your lungs, eyes, skin or whatever it can find moisture in, but its contained in pressure vessels and injected in the soil. Being attracted to moisture holds it there. There are also other various forms of N from slow release formaldehyde versions to simple different ratios of the top examples, but to say Nitrogen is Nitrogen is not true. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Humans are part of nature. Everything we do is, by extension, natural. Nuking the whales is natural. Suck it.  Attached File |
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