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Posted: 7/26/2017 7:00:18 PM EDT
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I went and test drove a new Tacoma on Monday. The manual transmission was awful  |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 8:16:08 PM EDT
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It's really that bad? Damn. I'm shopping for either a frontier or tacoma crew cab with manual transmission on the next 6 months. My options for manual transmission trucks is getting more and more limited. If you want to row your own gears in a small pickup, you're stuck with either of those. Sucks, 'cause I really like the Canyon. Wish it could be gotten with three pedals. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 8:17:15 PM EDT
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The transmission sucks, the engine has a habit of burning oil, they may or may not have actually tightened the differential plugs at the factory, the 19th century leaf springs on the back are prone to squeaking, and it has drums in the rear like a shitbox from the Carter administration. I'm sure I'm leaving something out. Oh yes, it's priced more than certain full-size trucks. But for all that money you get a sticker that says TRD, so you know it's an off-road performer.
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Posted: 7/26/2017 8:22:52 PM EDT
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I recently bought a 4runner after looking at the new Tacomas as well. My salesman owns a 3rd gen, and he admits it's been in the shop for engine related warranty work. His anecdotal observation was that he's seen more new Tacomas in for warranty work than any other Toyota model at this dealer. The trusted 4.0/5spd auto powertrain combination is very reliable, albeit not as exciting as the 3.5.
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Posted: 7/26/2017 8:33:16 PM EDT
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My '16 3.5 doesn't have the beans or the solid feel of my '06 4.0. To be fair, the 06 was a 6 speed manual and my new one is an auto. I just received the recall on the rear diff . 
I don't much care for the cartridge oil filter in a plastic housing that is only accessible by dropping the skid plate, but it's not that difficult, just a pain in the ass. And as I report in all these threads I snapped the plastic rear bumper crossing a wash the first time I took it off road. I've only had the new one for a year and I don't hate it, but it's just not the same quality as my last one IMO. More power, more comfort, more features for sure. But they are just not the same as the Hilux/pickup and the 1st gen Tacomas. Not bad trucks, just not the same. Not hating, I have 3 early pickups, owned 2 1st gen tacomas and my current daily is a 2nd gen. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 8:37:36 PM EDT
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Damn this thread is kinda talking me out of trading my 2015 dc mt Tacoma in on a 4runner since I won't be able to replace it with a decent one later.
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Posted: 7/26/2017 8:42:02 PM EDT
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What all are the issues that are commonly found in this gen? IIRC the tranny has issues, but didn't know about anything else. Oh, wait. Wrong thread... |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 8:47:21 PM EDT
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Chevy you say? Those Silverado's are compacts. http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/uploads/monthly_09_2016/post-125975-0-34405300-1474122815.png |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 8:51:33 PM EDT
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Old tried and true tech is the best tech.
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Posted: 7/26/2017 9:10:54 PM EDT
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Damn this thread is kinda talking me out of trading my 2015 dc mt Tacoma in on a 4runner since I won't be able to replace it with a decent one later. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 9:21:06 PM EDT
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But resale value! |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 9:25:59 PM EDT
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2016 checking in. Had the rear diff checked per recall. Just flipped 35k today with no issues. Great gas mileage, I have been extremely happy. My current highest is 26.9 back in June.
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Posted: 7/26/2017 9:26:32 PM EDT
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Drive a 3G Tacoma, and then go drive a new Chevy Colorado. We were looking at the midsize truck market, thinking probably a tacoma, and just bought a new Colorado and could not be happier with the purchase. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 9:43:32 PM EDT
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I'm as loyal to Toyota as one can get. But I will not own another Toyota pickup until I can figure out how to register an imported hilux diesel.
I'm all for made in USA when possible. But San Antonio is not Japan. I've owned more than a few of both, and they're just different. I think free trade is a good idea if only because it lets me buy real Toyotas cheaper. But I'm open to the idea that it's all the EPA and NHTSAs fault, though the newer ones still suck compared to the older Japanese ones. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 9:44:53 PM EDT
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Yeah, 'cause that's all that's left for M/T trucks. Maybe a Dodge Ram? Don't know about that one. If you want to row your own gears in a small pickup, you're stuck with either of those. Sucks, 'cause I really like the Canyon. Wish it could be gotten with three pedals. Maybe I should just refurbish an older K1500 and throw in the Tremec 6spd with aftermarket transfer case. Maybe an LS6 to make it keep up with traffic. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 9:45:19 PM EDT
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Drive a 3G Tacoma, and then go drive a new Chevy Colorado. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 9:48:36 PM EDT
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Have/had both a 2nd Gen and 3rd Gen, here is my personal take.
(Gave dad my 2nd Gen, he runs it pretty hard) People mainly hate it because the 3.5L V6 sucks... in my opinion its in no way better than the previous 4.0L V6 it replaced. The early 3rd gens shipping had transmissions that were too shift happy as well, always trying to shift into 6th gear at every opportunity (for mpg reasons I suppose). Toyota has a re flash for the software to help fix with it, I had it done to mine. It did genuinely help a bit. Also some issues where certain models left the factory with low fluid issues are another peeve to many. Once I had the above issues addressed its been fine, I dont have any reservations that the truck will be just as reliable as my 2nd gen was. That being said I probably wont keep it. I'll probably end up with a 4Runner or Tundra by the end of the year, need more room. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 9:49:11 PM EDT
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I have a '16. My main complaints are the rear diff howl and the A/C. They already replaced my rear diff and it's back just as loud as it was before. The A/C, first it has no true low setting. I should be able to turn it down to a trickle of air. Nope, even when I turn it off there is a lot of air coming in at highway speeds. Second, the temps from 60-70 pretty much all feel identical, even though you can adjust 1 degree at a time. The funky shift pattern was a problem, but they did a software update and it's a lot better now. |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 9:55:45 PM EDT
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My 09 had original rear diff fluid until last month (300,000 miles)
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Posted: 7/26/2017 10:09:12 PM EDT
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I have a 94 Toyota 4x4 and its still on its original rear diff at 278k miles 
I'm hoping my 17 is as trouble free. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 7:49:27 AM EDT
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I bought a 17 4Runner because I didn't want to miss the awesome 4.0/5sp my 11 Double Cab Taco had.
Love it so far. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 8:07:04 AM EDT
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Toyota has a long history of the customer always being wrong.
Recent examples include Tundra air induction failures, Toyota refused to replace them under warranty. Tacoma and FJ cruiser six speed manual transmission throwout bearing failures, Toyota blamed water entry, even on cars that had never seen water crossings. FJ cruiser front fender cracking, Toyota claimed it was heavy aftermarket bumpers, even after it started happening on vehicles without bumpers. Tacoma four cylinder sludging problems, Toyota claimed it was infrequent oil changes even in the vehicles that were lubed at the dealership every 3000 miles. Fifth generation 4Runner door lock actuation failures, Toyota just is ignoring this. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 8:13:41 AM EDT
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get a tundra.
you'll find out what all of us who owned tacomas found out the hard way, that you need more space. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 1:16:11 PM EDT
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get a tundra. you'll find out what all of us who owned tacomas found out the hard way, that you need more space. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 6:13:37 PM EDT
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Toyota has a long history of the customer always being wrong. Recent examples include Tundra air induction failures, Toyota refused to replace them under warranty. Tacoma and FJ cruiser six speed manual transmission throwout bearing failures, Toyota blamed water entry, even on cars that had never seen water crossings. FJ cruiser front fender cracking, Toyota claimed it was heavy aftermarket bumpers, even after it started happening on vehicles without bumpers. Tacoma four cylinder sludging problems, Toyota claimed it was infrequent oil changes even in the vehicles that were lubed at the dealership every 3000 miles. Fifth generation 4Runner door lock actuation failures, Toyota just is ignoring this. My truck had a brand new crate trans installed right before I bought it. That was ~ 30k ago and it is already making noise. It is also the worst manual I have ever driven in anything even remotely modern (say 1970+). I was told it is my lack of manual transmission experience that is the cause of my issue. Yeah, I have never had a daily that wasn't a manual. And I have ~400,000 road miles under my belt (used to drive for a living). |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 7:39:01 PM EDT
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Toyota has a long history of the customer always being wrong. Recent examples include Tundra air induction failures, Toyota refused to replace them under warranty. Tacoma and FJ cruiser six speed manual transmission throwout bearing failures, Toyota blamed water entry, even on cars that had never seen water crossings. FJ cruiser front fender cracking, Toyota claimed it was heavy aftermarket bumpers, even after it started happening on vehicles without bumpers. Tacoma four cylinder sludging problems, Toyota claimed it was infrequent oil changes even in the vehicles that were lubed at the dealership every 3000 miles. Fifth generation 4Runner door lock actuation failures, Toyota just is ignoring this. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 11:07:29 PM EDT
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Don't get me started about the 6 speed manual in the 2nd gens. My truck had a brand new crate trans installed right before I bought it. That was ~ 30k ago and it is already making noise. It is also the worst manual I have ever driven in anything even remotely modern (say 1970+). I was told it is my lack of manual transmission experience that is the cause of my issue. Yeah, I have never had a daily that wasn't a manual. And I have ~400,000 road miles under my belt (used to drive for a living). When I traded in my 2007 for a 2015 Tacoma, I went with an automatic; the first I've ever owned. It's alright. Sometimes I really like having the auto, sometimes I wish it was a manual. I did like the 6MT for towing believe it or not; it seemed appropriately geared for it. |
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Posted: 7/27/2017 11:11:10 PM EDT
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Over 12k on my 2017. Flawless in deep snow and off road. Consistently between 22-26mpg on 2 lane highway. No complaints, love the thing, built like a tank.
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Posted: 7/27/2017 11:20:32 PM EDT
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Only had to replace an 02 sensor on my 1st G 2003 TRD 5 speed manual V6 outside of normal maintenance. Been flawless except for a water leak coming in from passenger side cowling going under the glove box flowing under the carpet, got it about 90% resolved though
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Posted: 7/28/2017 10:24:50 AM EDT
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My first Tacoma was the 6MT. I grew up driving manuals, in fact at that time I never owned an automatic. With every MT before that, I always felt after a bit you got kind of that 'one with the vehicle' type of feeling where shifting and starting out from a stop was as natural as walking. In 8 years, I never entirely got that feeling with that truck. I always felt it was the throttle-by-wire, my first. I hated how if you blipped the throttle the response was really slow, and when you took your foot off the accelerator the RPMs would hang and come down slowly; supposedly it's an emissions thing. It prevents unburned fuel from going out the exhaust. But it certainly wasn't ideal for a manual transmission. When I traded in my 2007 for a 2015 Tacoma, I went with an automatic; the first I've ever owned. It's alright. Sometimes I really like having the auto, sometimes I wish it was a manual. I did like the 6MT for towing believe it or not; it seemed appropriately geared for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't get me started about the 6 speed manual in the 2nd gens. My truck had a brand new crate trans installed right before I bought it. That was ~ 30k ago and it is already making noise. It is also the worst manual I have ever driven in anything even remotely modern (say 1970+). I was told it is my lack of manual transmission experience that is the cause of my issue. Yeah, I have never had a daily that wasn't a manual. And I have ~400,000 road miles under my belt (used to drive for a living). When I traded in my 2007 for a 2015 Tacoma, I went with an automatic; the first I've ever owned. It's alright. Sometimes I really like having the auto, sometimes I wish it was a manual. I did like the 6MT for towing believe it or not; it seemed appropriately geared for it. And if you drive it like grandma, it is just fine. But any sort of spirited driving results in frustration, missed shifts and expensive grinding sounds. I cannot for the life of me snap a decent 1-2 shift in this damn thing. Interesting part is it is just the 6 speed, the 5 speed in the 2nd gen 2wd Tacomas (the little base model trucks) is butter. Wonder if I could live without 6th gear and I wonder if the 5 spd trans would bolt up and survive behind the 4.0. There is a T-56 swap bellhousing/kit out there for the 4.0 but it is OMG spendy. |
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Posted: 7/28/2017 10:32:27 AM EDT
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If you are worried about head room get the TUNDRA. Just picked up a 2017 Tundra 1794. It's awesome.
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Posted: 7/28/2017 10:35:46 AM EDT
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I have a 16 TRD DCOR version, and I haven't have any problems with it.
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Posted: 7/28/2017 10:50:20 AM EDT
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get a tundra. you'll find out what all of us who owned tacomas found out the hard way, that you need more space. I have an O6 4 door Tacoma and 4 kids. I disagree. My son is buying my current truck so I need a new one. If I get a tundra, its simply because I am leery of the new tacomas. I may accept my inner homosexual and get the last of the previous gen 4runners. |
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